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mott.carl
the relativistic time is give by 4-complex entity,being that the time wether chacterized for an imaginary time,that define to us,the" ticks" of the seconds,that
appear has any relations with the points of space,but the space,as motions,hasn't
biunivicity relations of space and time,that are space-times.then i think that the measured of time(attached at the space) is the opposed chirality through of rotations that transform in the space,chirality of left-handed to right-handed and vice-versa.in that breaks of symmetry appear the metric of the space-time,that
does the slow down time and contraction of the space,both entities if deform through of asymmetry of mirrors,the space-time is rotate of a chyrality to other,and vice-versa.then the space-time has retarded potential-it is forward in space-time( positive) and space-time that has advanced potential-it is backward in time(negative),then the time divide the space in positive and negative orientations,that both deformed by two antipode handled,generating the space-time by a two pathways (+,-),that are non-linear systems.that demonstrate so,the
"thicks" of time;then asymmetry of space-time,that are non-linear,does appear the metric,that shrink the space and stretch the time.

the imaginary time is defined by the idea that the billion of ans and 1 second for the universe is the same thing,because you dilate 1 second to infinite microbillions
of second and has the same that dilate oone billion of ans.then for our mind these
numbers are non-imaginables.

the newtonian time,has a connexion between the continuum and the time that mantain correspondence with the real numbers. unsure.gif
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
but the space,as motions,hasn't biunivicity relations  of space and time,

What does "biunivicity" mean? It's unknown to Google.
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
hen i think that the measured of time(attached at the space) is the opposed chirality through of rotations that transform in the space,chirality of left-handed to right-handed and vice-versa.
What has the measurement of time got to do with chirality?

You're obsessed with chirality but never explain anything about it.
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
n that breaks of symmetry appear the metric of the space-time
Demonstrate how the breakdown of C or P or T or a combination of them gives a space-time metric.
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
both entities if deform through of asymmetry of mirrors,the space-time is rotate of a chyrality to other,and vice-versa.
Demonstrate how space-time is a rotation of chirality. (Not that that even makes sense!)
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
that both deformed by two antipode handled,generating the space-time by a two pathways (+,-),that are non-linear systems..
Which non-linear systems?
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
hen asymmetry of space-time,that are non-linear,does appear the metric,that shrink the space and stretch the time
Show how the metric arises in such a fashion.
QUOTE (mott.carl+Nov 19 2006, 12:58 PM)
infinite microbillions
of second
'Microbillions' ? Now you're just plain making up words.

Why are you posting such gibberish? It's utterly meaningless. If you think it does have meaning actually explain yourself CAREFULLY. Don't just post another paragraph of gibberish, do it properly!
amrit
time is mind invention in order to have rational experience of a-temporal universe


non no zeph
motion is not mind invention


time is a concept
but space is not a concept
stars are into space
and space is a-temporal
Zephir
QUOTE (amrit+Nov 20 2006, 12:27 PM)
time is mind invention in order to have rational experience of a-temporal universe

Amrit, the ultimate stance of yours is naive, because the time requires the motion, which is mind invention as well and it requires the underlying diffusional fileld of particles to be working. In fact, both these concepts are mutually recursive, so you cannot imagine the time without motion in space, the space without underlying field for particles, which are creating the distance for particle gradients, and so on. By the same way, like you cannot imagine the chicken without egg and vice-versa. It's quite easy to postulate, the egg, chicken, time, space, motion or whatever was here at first. The real challenge is to propose some viable physical model for such hypothesis.

It's probable, the time or space concept has evolved from some different form of existence, which can create the time, gradients and motion without tangible underlying field, i.e. without itself. Maybe the Universe as a whole is creating such field, being cyclic by such way, who knows - but the problem of physical explanation of beginning persist.
Einsteins Ghost
The division of energy and mind into infinite geometry's of space-time, according to recursive and exo-cursive laws.

Farsight
I agree with amrit.

Mott, if you're wondering What is Time read this:

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=9763&st=45
amrit
zeph
Amrit, the ultimate stance of yours is naive, because the time requires the motion, which is mind invention as well and it requires the underlying diffusional fileld of particles to be working. In fact, both these concepts are mutually recursive, so you cannot imagine the time

amrit
time requires the mind
no mind , no time
after practicing wipassana for 30 years i know that,time is of the mind

so motion is in the universe and time is in the mind
when you are in dark room where no motion exists
time will still run in your mind

but when you will watch mind every day for years , one day time will stop
and that day you will understand "a-temporality concept" in physics
i publish here in last year
Zephir
QUOTE (amrit+Nov 21 2006, 01:11 AM)
time requires the mind no mind , no time

And the mind requires time to evolve.

You should practicise the wipassana for another 30 years to realize the duality principle in definition of reality.
Einsteins Ghost
QUOTE (Zephir+Nov 21 2006, 12:30 AM)
And the mind requires time to evolve.

You should practicise the wipassana for another 30 years to realize the duality principle in definition of reality.

We should also pay attention to the Zohar and Concealed meanings regarding 'reconciliation of opposites'.

G-d does feel our pain, and responds accordingly. Best plus-minus program ever 'Created'. Perfect in fact.
Got to love those vibrations.

ph34r.gif smile.gif

Thats right folks, G-d's 'program' really knows what all is doing, and when you do the wrong, the program bites back. Simple cause and effect/action re-action.
It actually will cause a comet to strike Earth so to correct things.

Listen to 'The Messenger', know the destiny our actions have created.

*the above written by Imagine cool.gif wink.gif
amrit
QUOTE (Zephir+Nov 21 2006, 12:30 AM)
And the mind requires time to evolve.

You should practicise the wipassana for another 30 years to realize the duality principle in definition of reality.

zeph there is no duality in the universe
all is one
all is made out of the same stuff
but all moves,all change
change is the only constant in the universe
and you experience this change as time
but change is running into a-temporal universe
Imagination
Quoting Amrit: there is no duality in the universe
all is one
all is made out of the same stuff::


Hi Amrit, you always talk with wisdom.

I would answer your first comment regarding 'no duality', by saying both yes and no.
If all in 'One'(which it is), than how duality.
At the same time, 'knowing' requires the 'reconciliation of opposites' from the 'One', which is both 1.gravity and 2.light ,,,,which are the 'same stuff'.
We would never have 'measure', if this wasn't true.

example: Knowledge is its own Enemy
example: Ego is of two kind

but all moves,all change
change is the only constant in the universe
and you experience this change as time
but change is running into a-temporal universe::


Beautifully said Amrit. This couldn't be more true.
And the answer to this 'running into temporal', is the Ego-Knowledge coming forth to
challenge G-d's program, which is Love to all Things created.
As this 'challenge' to G-d's code breaks deeper into the symmetry, the fracture that occurs literally breaks G-d's heart as if had been stabbed; and the result is the equivalent of creating both 'change in the cycle of change', and 'corrupting the duality paradox'.....so that we cause it to 'settle' into our temporal world.

amrit
imagination
when we experience via mind there is duality
when we experience directly via consciousness there is no duality
first experience is temporal as time is a part of the mind
and second is a-temporal
science has to develop second experience to enrich first one
mind without consciousness is as a lantern without oil

Imagination
QUOTE (amrit+Nov 21 2006, 10:21 PM)
imagination
when we experience via mind there is duality
when we experience directly via consciousness there is no duality
first experience is temporal as time is a part of the mind
and second is a-temporal
science has to develop second experience to enrich first one
mind without consciousness is as a lantern without oil

Thankyou for responding Amrit.
I think you re-call me from the days I drank.

I am at the most focused I've ever been in my entire life, and I feel a force so powerful flowing thru me, that it cannot be denied.

It could be here or elsewhere where I write this, but it seems most appropriate on a website whose collective knowledge here-in, can give credibility to what I am about to say.
I will preface with this: Man has caused his destiny by not abiding his pursuit of Knowledge. The Torah warns of the consequences to this. It also warns of the Ego and Materialism pursuit.
I've written this in a few replys this past week. They must be read.

If this message rings true, then act. We all must act immediately.

This is the Message:

I don't know how to say what I am going to say, without conveying the anything but the imminency(actually EMERGENCY!), of what I am asking and telling here.

The message I've been talking of late, is more than just about bringing peace immediately to the Middle East and the rest of the conflicted geo-political structure that controls all that is said and done on this planet.

This is about how the resolution of dis-symmetry(lack of harmony/balance)on an integrated inter-connected Universe(all the way down to our very atoms), have placed Earth in the path of destruction.
You must believe in the 'Immunological' nature of all things-- not just your Immune systems T-4 cells. Space does know! It is 'differentiated' by gravity. Gravity knows everything outside of itself(perfect 'order'/symmetry), and know that which is not 'of it'!
This is exactly like your Immune System!
Look at Saturn's brewing cloud! Saturn is our Solar System's T-4 Immunce system, and it is responding to Earth(integrated system logic), and will combine with the Gas from planet Jupiter(all gas!), to cause a Comet(The Destroyer), to resolve the situation on Earth.
You must believe this. The Comet is the 'immunological' response to the disharmony here on Earth.
============================================================
The Oil and Water of the Earth is 'soiled'(literally), and is causing the chemical characteristics of the planet to change and become 'out of balance'-- even change its whole innate nature which makes it what it is.

I know but only the basics of the Periodic Table, and how inside the atom of each chemical, the thing that makes them uniquely different is their atomic # and weight.
Planck Time and Space, also exist inside the Atom, and change according to the other two(weight and #).
===============================================================
Pay close attention to my words now, if I'm wrong on the paticulars, correct them so this makes 'physics sense'.

Just like the electrons jumping their specific orbit inside the atom, and the # of protons and neutrons changing accordingly(which changes their function and purpose),,,,,,,Saturn & Jupiter 'are listening' and responding to what is going on right here, and that is why that Comet Cloud is forming on Saturns ring.
Well guess who is ringing? Sorry, this is no Joke.


Global Warming is causing this, we have caused our doom.
Immediate action must be taken! Only 6 years in my calculations. The Mayan calendar supports this.
Fossil and Geological(logical! it always knows!), prove many cycles of man's stupidity to measure his actions with a Living Planet, and not respecting its Finite Nature, and polluting the mechanisms which keep its chemistry in balance.
Guest_amrit
yes, things are related more we see through rational mind
when scientist will start meditating they will discover more that now can even dream
Einstein's Ghost
Psychological Time= Mind-Logical Time.

A cycle of energy trying to achieve its symmetrical harmonious resolution.

And Gravity controls it all, because it is most logical indeed.

All is 'relative' to the Mind of the Universe. How more logical can things be.
How do all things relate to Gravity?

It knows everything outside its Golden Ratio PHI.
It is the Observor and the Observed(duality). It is G-ds 'mirror'.
It is the mirror of all Physics.
It is the mirror of all Maths.



amrit
physical time is motion
mind time is a concept
universe is atemporal
time running in the universe only as motion into atemporal space
universe is existing into ethernal here and now
Nick
Time is a physical reality of gravity. General Relativity is about the time shells surrounding matter. And time can be empty.

Time is not motion. Motion effects the flow of time amrit.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (Nick+Nov 25 2006, 06:11 PM)
General Relativity is about the time shells surrounding matter.

No it isn't. It's about the 4 dimensional entity called space-time and how the geometry of that entity changes in the presense of matter and energy. It's not just about 'time shells'. rolleyes.gif
amrit
QUOTE (Nick+Nov 25 2006, 05:11 PM)
Time is a physical reality of gravity. General Relativity is about the time shells surrounding matter. And time can be empty.

Time is not motion. Motion effects the flow of time amrit.

motion effects the flow of time

great, explain me how
basic formulas
Imagination
QUOTE (Nick+Nov 25 2006, 05:11 PM)
Time is a physical reality of gravity. General Relativity is about the time shells surrounding matter. And time can be empty.

Time is not motion. Motion effects the flow of time amrit.

Hello Nick,

You and Amrit are both correct.

In fact, exactly correct. Again, aspects of the 'mirror'/duality reconciliation.

Its right there in the core of the Torah.

Read the Zohar if you can find it not corrupted. But then, when the Zohar was written, it could never not be corrupted. Paradox again.
amrit
QUOTE (Imagination+Nov 26 2006, 02:19 AM)
Hello Nick,

You and Amrit are both correct.

In fact,  exactly correct.  Again,  aspects of the 'mirror'/duality reconciliation.

Its right there in the core of the Torah.

Read the Zohar if you can find it not corrupted.  But then,  when the Zohar was written,  it could never not be corrupted.  Paradox again.

what a story
show me your time
tell me one single evidence of time in the universe
send me one person that have seen time

.........................................................!
Turya
QUOTE (Einstein's Ghost+Nov 24 2006, 10:53 PM)
Psychological Time= Mind-Logical Time.

A cycle of energy trying to achieve its symmetrical harmonious resolution.

And Gravity controls it all, because it is most logical indeed.

All is 'relative' to the Mind of the Universe. How more logical can things be.
How do all things relate to Gravity?

It knows everything outside its Golden Ratio PHI.
It is the Observor and the Observed(duality). It is G-ds 'mirror'.
It is the mirror of all Physics.
It is the mirror of all Maths.

Insightfull indeed. "Observer" is a-temporal.

And besides Phi, Pi and exp etc., there also are fundamental natural constants (H = G/c^2 and h) as final expression of Cosmic Dynamics
Nick
I HAVE SEEN TiMe! AMRIT. CLEARLY.

ONE IS MOVING THROUGH SPACE RELATIVE TO ANOTHER
Nick
FOR A PARTICULAR RATE OF TIME THERE IS A VELOCITY
its gamma

thank you amrit!

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --
amrit
QUOTE (Nick+Nov 30 2006, 01:25 AM)
FOR A PARTICULAR RATE OF TIME THERE IS A VELOCITY
its gamma

thank you amrit!

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --

nick we measure with clocks velocity of material change
and material change runs into a-temporal space
amrit
QUOTE (Turya+Nov 30 2006, 12:02 AM)
Insightfull indeed. "Observer" is a-temporal.
all the universe is atemporal

And besides Phi, Pi and exp etc., there also are fundamental natural constants (H = G/c^2 and h) as final expression of Cosmic Dynamics

yes observer is atemporal
motion.....perception (eyes).....mind elaboration (time concept) ....experience (observer)
Nick
QUOTE (amrit+Nov 30 2006, 06:20 PM)
nick we measure with clocks velocity of material change
and material change runs into a-temporal space

What is the cause of material change? tongue.gif

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --
amrit
QUOTE (Nick+Nov 30 2006, 07:59 PM)
What is the cause of material change?  tongue.gif

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --

nothing is the cause of material change
motion is intrinsic state of energy

if someone here means that time is cause of motion he is an idi>t
Zephir
QUOTE (amrit+Dec 1 2006, 10:57 PM)
if someone here means that time is cause of motion he is an idiot

This doesn't change the fact, the motion, space and time are closely related concepts, one without others has no meaning.
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