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Fallion
Referring to This Post (specifically arnie_lerma's)

Ok... so who's gonna be the inventor? I'll be the guinea pig. I've been keeping tabs on the net for tDCS since I read that article in April, and I'm itching to try it out. Has anyone here tried it yet?

Heh... I'm surprised the web has yet to spawn a focus group dedicated to improving their minds through tDCS. By now I expected to see design plans, shopping lists, and prototype photos of homemade "smart hats".

If anyone has any electronics expertise... as in how to make a device to connect to a 9volt battery that would allow you to vary the amperage, I'd love to try it. Anyone got any suggestions?

Cripes
As a matter of fact tried it half an hour ago. was waiting untill i get soem free time to build it.

my tDCS device is rather simple. a 9v battery as suggested in the article, 2 good copper wires, and 2 two-pence coins. yeh i know, but i coudnt find anythign else to use as electrodes.

well... hmm... whetehr it works or not... hard to say.

when you put it on ( i had negative above right eye, positive to the side of the left eye)
the tingling builds up (my eyes watered for abit aswell). then after 5-6 min it becomes a very light mild burning. nothing much, easily bearable (but worriying never the less).

to test decided to try out an old "dancing" game
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/R2/

i could never complete a single song iwthout failing. they are quite hard. i just get all confused half way through as song.

with tDCS ... it was easier. hmm hard to describe. i still failed the song but my miss rate has decreased dramaticaly. it was now easier to correct mistakes if they were made (bit quicker reaction). I think it does work, personaly i am impressed by the results.

however i am abit worried about that burning tingling. dont wont to do any permanent damage to my lovely little brain.
Cripes
hmm there seems to have been something wrong in my little device tongue.gif

well, for one, DO NOT use copper electrodes (like 2 pence coins, although they work alright smile.gif as they stain your skin. i now have a big round dark spot on the side of my forehead


second... CHECK THE DAMN CURRENT! if it BURNS, something is wrong. it actually burnt though the skin and left bruise marks. i hope it's gonna go after few days coz i look really silly.
i mean i can say that the forehead mark appeared after an awkward bump into a wall.. but what about the side one? tongue.gif

what you should be feeling is a really really slight tingle, the current should only be 1-2mA.


Oh yeah.... and when attaching the electrodes. at the point of connection it was giving me bright flashes in the yes tongue.gif not spots, it's like as if you instantaneously turn up brighness on your monitor for a split second. dont think that's right
paganken
Hi --
I'm a reporter writing a story about tDCS, and I'm particularly interested in finding people who have hacked home versions of the rig and tried amping up their own brains. If you've done so, please contact me at paganken@comcast.net. If you need to remain anonymous in print, that's fine.

Thanks!
Precursor562
I think you guys are gonna fry your brains....Literally. Just remember to keep the amperage low. Now that's the stuff that will kill ya.
Guest_Carl
Did you every write that article about homemade tDCS? I just attended a conference and saw a presentation about how it's easy to build one of these, and was thinking of giving it a shot. The problem seems to be deciding which part of the brain you want to activate and which part you want to deactivate.

-Carl
Constantine
Hi Carl,
Can you share any details on the proper construction of one of these apparatus?
I have a quantifiable experiment that I'd like to test the efficacy of this device on.
I'll share the experiment results when completed.
Thanks!
actgif68
How would one go about making something to regulate the gauss it puts out? Can anyone clarify this?

I've heard that making a hat or band and simply placing the coil around the head in a circular way is even more effective, at around 8 gauss at least
Constantine
@actgif68

That's an interesting tidbit!
kanzure
hey,

how about a transcranial ultrasound setup instead? any takers?

http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/

- bryan
http://heybryan.org/
irc.freenode.net ##hplusroadmap
obi-wan
Hey, all. Newbie forum user here.

I was just casually reading this thread and realized that, for someone (like me) who knows electronics it would be an easy exercise to build a simple "current source" that would regulate the current of your 9V battery down to 1 or 2 milliamps, or whatever other value you wanted.

Just sayin.' I might do it myself to try this, as I'm very much interested in the possible results., and I would know that the current would not exceed whatever value I set it up for.

If anyone else wants to know how to do this, I might draw up a simple one. Is there a way to post a drawing here, or is there another place to post files like that?

Oh--it would involve a bit of soldering, and probably one transistor and maybe three resistors. More or less.

-ob1
masema
Yes, I would be very interested in getting instructions/a diagram of how you would regulate the current from the power source.
DonGateley
QUOTE (masema+Feb 8 2012, 06:36 PM)
Yes, I would be very interested in getting instructions/a diagram of how you would regulate the current from the power source.


I tried to answer the question but the forum doesn't allow links. Silly, that.

Anyway, it's a remarkably simple circuit.
masema
Would it be possible to describe it to me, or tell me what search terms may be helpful in a google search? I've looked around a little and usually what I find seems more complicated than what I am really looking for, as in regulating current for a larger power supply, not a 9v battery.
joshganga
If you do a search for "L200c regulator", you'll find what you are looking for. You'll need to plug it into a 12V source, and adjust the resistors accordingly for the current you require.

Disclaimer: Don't try this as home folks.... I might try it out some time, and post up my experience.
joshganga
Just ordered one myself from westfloridacomponenets... under $7 including international shipping.
obi-wan
DonGateley,

QUOTE
I tried to answer the question but the forum doesn't allow links. Silly, that.

Anyway, it's a remarkably simple circuit.


Yes, it is, though it may well be incomprehensible to someone who doesn't read schematics or know what a transistor is.

It's cool with me--as if you needed a n00b's permission!--if you go ahead and answer with a schematic, description, etc., if you like. You may be able to get a dwg. & description together before I could, anyway.

If not, or in the unlikely case that I think I need to add something, I'll poke my 2c-worth in. Respectfully.

It occurred to me that, to avoid particularly pitiable potential pain problems for people who may, out of unfamiliarity, occasionally pick up a soldering iron by the less-compatible-with-human-flesh end, we might include a tiny BCD-style rotary switch to enable choosing between several 1/8 or 1/4-W resistors for different current levels, for experimentation's sake. The other members here might have particular levels they would like to have available to them besides the 1 and 2mA levels already mentioned, and it shouldn't be too difficult to include a few of them. I hope.

Thanks for speaking up, dude. Oh--and I'll mention this only this once--I've got a new electronics blog up at www.forwardbiased.com that might interest you. It would be of little interest to someone not deeply into electronics, though.

-ob1
Giorgio
Much cheaper and a device that only needs a ridiculously simple circuit is the E-202 constant current diode.
i.e. you just need to connect it between the 9V battery and your head the right way around. If you get it wrong you just get a little less current than the 9V battery would provide on its own.
Search E-202 at RS-online dot com - stock number 253-780 made by SemiTec
- Provides 2mA and is rated up to 100V pulse voltage and 300mW power - A quick and dirty calc for power gives 2mA at 9V = 18mW if it was just used straight across the battery, so it should handle a 9V battery in this application happily as I expect most of the 9V will be dropped across the head , not the diode.
Should work fine as long as it is more or less in open air to get rid of any heat.
Giorgio
By the way, there is a whole range of these and they happily connect together in parallel to provide increased current - so you could use E-102 versions to control the current in 1mA steps or E501 versions to add 0.5mA steps - at a little over $1 each they won't break the bank.
The old twist-the-leads-together method should work ok most of the time at these voltage and power levels - saves burnt fingers and kitchen benches, worried wives, fire brigade call-out fees and the cost of a soldering iron. smile.gif
DonGateley
QUOTE (masema+Feb 8 2012, 09:48 PM)
Would it be possible to describe it to me, or tell me what search terms may be helpful in a google search?  I've looked around a little and usually what I find seems more complicated than what I am really looking for, as in regulating current for a larger power supply, not a 9v battery.

I searched with Bing on "constant current source" no quotes.

Without the abiliity to post links I now retire to lurk mode. Too bad, that. I'm an E.E. and pretty smart.
Giorgio
Hey Don, remember what Churchill said "Never........give up" x 3
federer365
This is a great thread, tDCS seems to be very promising and it's interesting to note that not many people have really started to diy projects.

However, I think it's important to remember the dangers of tDCS and continue researching and reading the latest journal articles, which continue to shed light on tDCS.
For example a recent study has shown that: 'MRI brain scans revealed clear structural changes in the brain as soon as five days after TDCS. Neurons in the cerebral cortex connect with one another to form circuits via massive bundles of nerve fibers (axons) buried deep below the brain's surface in "white matter tracts." The fiber bundles were found to be more robust and more highly organized after TDCS. No changes were seen on the opposite side of the brain that was not stimulated by the scalp electrodes.'

And also to understand this isn't intended to be used everyday and only every 48hours or once a week. Since this is still very new, it will take some time to find out the proper safety guidelines of tDCS.

I'm also looking forward to creating a tDCS and seeing if there are any improvement in my cognitive abilities.

Here is a great article about tDCS I found (safety, symptoms, science etc):
www. aipass.org/files/TDCS_State%20of%20the%20art.pdf
joshganga
QUOTE
Here is a great article about tDCS I found (safety, symptoms, science etc):
www. aipass.org/files/TDCS_State%20of%20the%20art.pdf


Thanks for the article. Safety is of utmost importance, especially if you are going to be alone during your experimentation.

The article makes reference to the following case:

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Here is a great article about tDCS I found (safety, symptoms, science etc):
www. aipass.org/files/TDCS_State%20of%20the%20art.pdf


Thanks for the article. Safety is of utmost importance, especially if you are going to be alone during your experimentation.

The article makes reference to the following case:

While delivering current to healthy subjects via bifrontal electrodes with the reference on the leg, Lippold and Redfearn encountered one case of respiratory and motor paralysis with cramping of the hands, accompanied by nausea. There was no loss of consciousness, and respiration returned when the current was stopped. The subject was not hospitalized, but had impaired fine motor control lasting for two days, ultimately returning to normal.


I would suggest a "dead man switch" installed in any circuit you might experiment with, so that if you did encounter a disagreeable reaction, there would be some degree of safety built in if you weren't able to manually turn it off.

DonGateley
Here's the research standard. It shouldn't be beyond DIY.

soterixmedical.com/tdcs.php
DonGateley
And the simple circuit (now that I see that to post a link that isn't one just leave off the totally redundant HTTP: // www prefix.)

delabs-circuits.com/cirdir/theory/tutors/doc00009.html


Hey, Giorgio, I'm no Churchill but... biggrin.gif
gubins
WARNINGS


While I find this a fascinating topic ALL CARE MUST BE TAKEN.

The level of current, regardless of voltage, that is deadly to us humans is around 30 mA. The better the connection the higher the current, like wet skin, tongue, strong pressure, damaged surface of skin, etc, so be very careful what you do.

Constant current is the best idea but if you want more safety add a voltage limit control to the connections to the skin so the voltage does not go above a set limit, like no more than 5 Volts as an example - just to be sure to be sure! This can be adjustable to take into account skin condition etc. I have no suggestion about any specific voltage but if 9 V is causing some problems a lower value would be wise. Use a Zener diode to control a set voltage, they are cheap and simple to use.

Making the Constant Current variable is easy too by adding a potentiometer to the circuit but make sure the maximum is well below the danger point as even 10 mA can cause damage to fragile tissues like nerve cells. Don't want to be a vegetable or go blind do you? Be Safe everyone.

And avoid using power packs etc in case of any mains voltage leakage, spikes etc. You only need one accident to to end it all. There's no second chances after that!

blink.gif ohmy.gif
JohnZapps
Hello all. I've been messing with my own tDCS rig a while now. In my case I went with the simplest option and used a 4.7K ohm resister on the 9volt. As I read the available material it seems the 2ma is "at the scalp". Therefore I took that to mean what the current would be if the electrodes were in direct contact with each other.

Of course the changing resistance of the skin makes a constant current regulator sound good. Otherwise a set-up like mine is likely to fall below effective current whenever the scalps resistance is too great. Still not quite a dead-man's switch but it's pretty much fail-safe as it is.

The one thing I really want to STRESS is the risk of heavy metal poisoning here. You do *not* want to use lead solder. Also use only lithium batteries. Otherwise you could get mercury, lead, nickel, cadmium, etc, etc. I saw a post that suggested the rate of heavy metal ion injection does not scale with voltage or wattage but with current. This means a tDCS rig with 1000+ times the current of a TENS device will push that much more into you. Maybe. And even TENS units generally come with lithium batteries.

Anyway I splurged for the $15 9volt at the ratshak. (So far I have yet to go insane.)

The full description of my device is the 9volt, connector, 4.7k ohm resistor, some TENS electrodes -I fit with sponges- connected by TENS unit leeds. So the plugs make it unnecessary to solder new electrodes on when the old ones wear out.

I don't use a switch or anything to avoid the usual tingle and other telltale effects. These let me know it's working so why 'fix' them? (Then I'd need a power indicator!)

Good luck, there are a ton of tDCS papers out there. Not many if any large scale studies though. Not yet, and too bad.

Disclaimer -I am not nor do I claim to be anyone you want to listen to or imitate.
Random_e
Hi all,

Thanks for the warning gubins.

My two pence worth.

After doing my own research I suspect I might have ADD, which is an adult form of ADHD.

I'm lucky to have a job working as a teaching lab technician in a university. As a kid I loved the science classes, and that was one of the only times I'd pipe up and answer questions from the teacher. Eventually I dropped out of school in the 80's though. Got distracted and just floated down the wrong path and lost track of what was really important, education. Now I'm grown up (ha ha ha) and working in a Uni with students is fun, but I can't talk science with them. I kind of know what's happening in the practicals but I just can't help them with the work and I'm getting frustrated with myself.
With so many people out of work I'd never be able to get another job like this so I can't afford to lose this job and will do everything within my power to keep it......if only I could focus and keep my mind from wondering of the tasks/ jobs at hand. I'm so tired of being unfocused. It is, no pun intended, doing my head in dry.gif.

After reading the article I realised that the state of 'Flow' they were talking about seems to help the brain stay on track. Sometimes when I'm playing a console game or a sport like badminton (hadn't played it since secondary/high school days) I can unconsciously slip into to that state of mind for a time. Yeah it feels like you're in the zone. Only problem is it doesn't last long and when I get that feeling I'm in the zone it evaporates. My feelings of Flow or "the zone" can't be replicated in other real world situations or when I'm looking at a text book. I suppose Flow is like your brain cutting out all the red tape, background noise, internal monologue and bureaucracy of learning and applying a new task.

Before I go to a shrink I'd like to try this tDCS just once to see if it can improve my state of mind before it's proven that I do have ADD and am put on a series of drugs or whatever.

Now can anyone point me in the direction of how to build a tDCS system from components bought and built from Maplins. I can solder no problem. I just don't know where to start. I'm looking for a safe system that will only work within the parameters of the suggested ranges of the Zap your brain into the zone article.

This might be the key to finally set people like me free of this disorder. I'm so tired of it.

Just had a thought that maybe one day we could buy a usb device, plug it into your laptop or tablet and switch on the Flow when you have to study or recharge your ability to stay focused.

Sorry If this post seems like I'm rambling on. Just giving you some background info on why I'd like to try it out.
reverett123
I would like to add my voice to random e's and urge an open-source approach to this. I have Parkinson's disease and there is a sizeable contingent of volunteers looking at this and similar efforts as a way to encourage the rewiring of lost motor circuits. Given the low cost and relatively low profit potential, there is a danger of this, however promising, slipping away as other possible solutions have done. Work on the hardware and we'll provide the data.
Random_e
Just a interesting abstract I found.

"Brain Res. 2012 Feb 23;1439:66-72. Epub 2011 Dec 29.
Oppositional transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS) of parietal substrates of attention during encoding modulates episodic memory.
Jacobson L, Goren N, Lavidor M, Levy DA.
Source

Department of Psychology and Gonda Multidisciplinary Brain Research Center, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel.
Abstract

Effective learning requires that attentional resources be focused on target information and withheld from irrelevant events in the learner's surroundings. This requires engagement of the brain substrates of selective attention and the concurrent disengagement of brain substrates of orienting toward changes in the environment. In the present study, we attempted to modulate activation of cortical substrates of attention during learning by physiological intervention, using transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS). To effect adversarial modulation, we applied anodal stimulation directed toward left intraparietal sulcus/superior parietal cortex (IPS/SPL; a substrate of selective attention) and cathodal stimulation directed toward right inferior parietal cortex (IPL; a substrate of orienting). Such stimulation during study of verbal materials led to superior subsequent recognition memory relative to the opposite polarity of stimulation. To our knowledge, this is the first application of direct current stimulation to parietal regions implicated in different forms of attention in an oppositional manner in order to modulate learning in a verbal recognition memory task. Additionally, these results may have practical implications for the development of interventions to benefit persons with various types of attentional deficits.
Copyright © 2012 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.

PMID: 22265704 [PubMed - in process] "

So has this subject died and been forgotten already?
ATA
QUOTE
Hello all. I've been messing with my own tDCS rig a while now. In my case I went with the simplest option and used a 4.7K ohm resister on the 9volt. As I read the available material it seems the 2ma is "at the scalp". Therefore I took that to mean what the current would be if the electrodes were in direct contact with each other.

Of course the changing resistance of the skin makes a constant current regulator sound good. Otherwise a set-up like mine is likely to fall below effective current whenever the scalps resistance is too great. Still not quite a dead-man's switch but it's pretty much fail-safe as it is.

The one thing I really want to STRESS is the risk of heavy metal poisoning here. You do *not* want to use lead solder. Also use only lithium batteries. Otherwise you could get mercury, lead, nickel, cadmium, etc, etc. I saw a post that suggested the rate of heavy metal ion injection does not scale with voltage or wattage but with current. This means a tDCS rig with 1000+ times the current of a TENS device will push that much more into you. Maybe. And even TENS units generally come with lithium batteries.

Anyway I splurged for the $15 9volt at the ratshak. (So far I have yet to go insane.)

The full description of my device is the 9volt, connector, 4.7k ohm resistor, some TENS electrodes -I fit with sponges- connected by TENS unit leeds. So the plugs make it unnecessary to solder new electrodes on when the old ones wear out.

I don't use a switch or anything to avoid the usual tingle and other telltale effects. These let me know it's working so why 'fix' them? (Then I'd need a power indicator!)

Good luck, there are a ton of tDCS papers out there. Not many if any large scale studies though. Not yet, and too bad.

Disclaimer -I am not nor do I claim to be anyone you want to listen to or imitate.

not very safe resistance of head is change very rapidly they can drp vry rapidly by polarization of neurones and sweating and current can by much higher tan you expect

poisoning - dount care about batteries importat is electrode material dont use TENS
electrodes iectrochemical product is may by dangerous and they have high resitence .
Very important is current density (size od electrodes) in study is about 55uA/cm2


patrickledwards
Possibly some useful technical articles:

US-PAT-NO: 7483747

DOCUMENT-IDENTIFIER: US 7483747 B2

TITLE: Systems and methods for enhancing or affecting neural
stimulation efficiency and/or efficacy


---------- KWIC ---------

Description Paragraph - DETX (66):
In some embodiments, a stimulation signal generator may generate or output
a direct current (DC) signal. Such a signal may be applied transcranially at
one or more times, either alone or in association with one or more other types
of neural stimulation (e.g., VNS, cortical stimulation, or DBS). An example of
a transcranial Direct Current Stimulation (tDCS) neural stimulation system is
described by W. Paulus in "Transcranial Direct Current Stimualtion," chapter 26
of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation and Transcranial Direct Current
Stimulation--supplements to Clinical Neurophysiology, vol. 56, Edited by W.
Paulus et al., Elsevier Science.

Other Reference Publication - OREF (89):
Fregni, Felipe et al., "Anodal Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation of
Prefrontal Cortex Enhances Working Memory," Experimental Brain Research vol.
166, No. 1, pp. 23-30 (Sep. 2005). cited by other

Other Reference Publication - OREF (103):
Lang, Nicolas et al., "Preconditioning with Transcranial Direct Current
Stimulation Sensitizes the Motor Cortex to Rapid-Rate Transcranial Magnetic
Stimulation and Controls the Direction of After-Effects," Biol Psychiatry
2004:56:634-639, 2004 Society of Biological Psychiatry. cited by other

Other Reference Publication - OREF (113):
Nitsche, M.A. and Paulus, W., "Excitability changes induced in the human
motor cortex by weak transcranial direct current stimulation," The Journal of
Physiology, vol. 527.3, pp. 663-639 (2000). cited by other

Other Reference Publication - OREF (115):
Nitsche, Michael A., et al. "Facilitation of Implicit Motor Learning by Weak
Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation of the Primary Motor Cortex in the
Human," Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience 15:4, pp. 619-626, 2003 Massachusetts
Institute of Technology. cited by other

Other Reference Publication - OREF (120):
Paulus, W, "Supplements to Clinical Neurophysiology," Transcranial Magnetic
Stimulation and Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation (Supplements to
Clinical Neurophysiology; vol 56), pp. 249-254, 2003 Elsevier Science, B.V.
cited by other
zidek666
It would be interesting to experiment with modulating or "chopping" the DC stimulation source with a low frequencies that corresponds to alpha, beta, or delta cranial rhythms. Curiously, there seems to be much anecdotal evidence that the effect seems to evince sustained a alpha state.

Current & voltage limitation circuits are generically available and ubiquitous on the web.
zwastik
hi, it seems some people will be selling a tDCS Kit.

flowstateengaged.com/

more info:
extremetech.com/extreme/121861-goflow-a-diy-tdcs-brain-boosting-kit

Also there is something called HD-tDCS which is like tDCS but has smaller electrodes for very focused brain zone action.

This topic is indeed very interesting cause it's safe (until proven the contrary) and the technology is cheap.
A brain booster sounds like the college student dream made a reality biggrin.gif

Be sure to read all papers you can about this subject, it won't hurt taking a look at Neuroscience-For-Dummies or something (if you are not literate about biologics and stuff) before so you won't have the felling you are reading chinese. Just don't rush it, we are taking about our brains here...

And keep posting your experiences with this tech!
xgirl
Does anyone have schematics or detailed information for this. Trying to make sure I have it right
The Lightning Stalker
I conducted a self test using current between 1uA and 2.5mA with the electrodes in various positions. Here are the results:
  • A slight change in perception was first noticed around 40uA.
  • Very slight tingling at around 50uA
  • At around 100-200uA, the effect seemed to be slightly stronger.
  • Tingling at the electrode sites was stronger but still mild and tolerable.
  • Further increase in current beyond this point seemed to have little or no benefit.
  • At around 1mA, the tingling changed to a slight burning.
  • At around 1.5mA, the burning became intolerable for periods of more than a few minutes.
  • Further increase in the current only made the burning worse.

Hypothesis: Different individuals may require different current levels to bring about the onset of the effects. Some may notice effects at lower currents. The effect will reach a maximum beyond which further increase in current is no longer beneficial, undesirable, and possibly even harmful.

I hope you find this information helpful.
Mekigal
interesting. Do any you ever dwell ?

You all are wild . Props
LCNS
Hi,

You are being invited to participate in a research study conducted by the University of Pennsylvania. Your participation is voluntary which means you can choose whether or not you want to participate.

The Laboratory of Cognition and Neural Stimulation at the University of Pennsylvania is involved in research using transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS). In recent years this technology has increased in popularity, and evidence suggests that some individuals may be constructing their own stimulators for personal use. We are interested in examining the reasons behind this. Please answer the questions below, and email them to braintdcs@gmail.com to give us insight into why people make their own tDCS machines.

Questions

1. Where did you first learn about tDCS?
2. Have you built your own tDCS machine?
3. Where did you get the information to build the machine?
4. Why did you want to try brain stimulation?
5. How long have you been using tDCS?
6. What were your experiences with this technology?
7. Did you ever experience any side-effects?

The research team may use information about you collected from your responses. By completing the questionnaire, you are giving your consent to participate in this study. Once you email us, your responses are not considered confidential since emails do not protect confidentiality.

Thanks,

Research Specialist
Laboratory of Cognition and Neural Stimulation
University of Pennsylvania
Chi
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Using electrical contacts on skin, requires rather meticulous attention to the details of good solid contact.

That usually requires some sort of contact goop or pads wetted with saline solution, upon which the electrodes are placed: these pads or goop assist really good contact.
THAT can generally vastly decrease skin damage from direct contact with metal/electricity to the skin.
It can also change the quality of what one feels from the electricity applied--that tingling should be quite decreased [not impaired nor impeded], by use of good contact pads/goop.

Qs:
===Can tDCS be done using magnets?
===How does one know where to place electrodes? [U]

I definitely want to use something to assist the brain function!

People have used transcranial sound waves to stop migraines; used various configurations of electrostim blinking lights and sounds to quiet the mind and program it to operate better.

The simplest gizmo I ever saw, had what looked like a headset with very small tips, which were placed in an area behind each ear, and a transistor-size thing that ran on a 9v battery was turned on or off by hand.
Fancier gizmos had timers, or could be programmed to stim specific brain wave patterns.

These things have been around for a very long time.
===I wonder, how different this tDCS, differs or is similar, to some of the older gadgets that play with brain waves/function??
Jkirk3279
QUOTE (zidek666+Mar 23 2012, 07:08 AM)
It would be interesting to experiment with modulating or "chopping" the DC stimulation source with a low frequencies that corresponds to alpha, beta, or delta cranial rhythms. Curiously, there seems to be much anecdotal evidence that the effect seems to evince sustained a alpha state.

Current & voltage limitation circuits are generically available and ubiquitous on the web.

ohmy.gif

Darn. I thought I was the first one with that idea.

The Mark Two rig I'm planning will have a 555 timer as the signal source.

I'm about to order the parts for Mark One.
El_Machinae
If you want exposure, look at the clinical trials database, and volunteer to be a control subject.

http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?...n&Search=Search

In fact, looking at the clinical trials database for whatever disease interests you is probably a good idea!
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