The big bang model has never worked…. Observations have never supported the big bang model. We just thought that it did.From present observation, it appears that galaxies are distributed as if on the surfaces of connected soap bubbles AND accelerating.
Based on what we know of Black Hole mechanics in our universe, is 'shrinking the universe down to a point' a valid lookback (time reversal) of a gravitational collapse?
The only valid lookback that can be done is to stops at where the soap bubbles are so small that what we would be looking at is a bag of dust.
Models of a bag of dust cannot be made that evolve/agree with the distribution of galaxies as if on the surfaces of connected soap bubbles.From the point of view of the observer at the center of the bubble, the walls are receding and found to be accelerating, as more space units are being added to the space structure, between him and the walls. Different bubbles …. Different sizes …. Different observations …. Different conclusions. This then begs the question.
Where are the space units coming from?
Are they coming from the center of the bubbles or the surface of the bubbles?
We have not noticed anything happening in the center of the bubbles.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question232.htm How does gravity work?
Each particle of matter attracts every other particle with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
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The search for an answer is happening at all scales.
1. A NEW EXPANSION MECHANISM.
2. SPECIFIC TIME REQUIRED TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OLBERS’ PARADOX
3. ORIGIN MUST HAVE HIGH ENERGY
4. EXPLAIN THE ABUDANCE OF HYDROGEN, HELIUM
5. EXPLAIN NEUTRINOS
6. EXPLAIN DARK MATTER/ENERGY
7. NOT VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW OF TERMODYNAMICS
8. EXPLAIN THE QUANTUM MINIMUM LENGTH STRUCTURE
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Professor Sir Fred Hoyle [1915-2001] CAME THE CLOSEST WITH THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION. He would have been right if he would have known about QMLS.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeVeSTensor-Vector-Scalar gravity (TeVeS)
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/19/6/5/1Gravity's dark side
Feature: June 2006
http://www.physics.mcmaster.ca/origins/dar.../Talks/Bean.pdfConstraining modified gravity theories of dark energy
Origin of Dark energy mat 2007
The latest info on the distribution of stars etc.
http://cfcp.uchicago.edu/research/publications/index.html KICP Publications
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PICK UP YOUR SHOVEL.
The big bang is dead.
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insert: (speculative conclusions)Where are the many mini white holes hiding that are still adding to the structural elements into our universe so that we observe expansion, acceleration and dark mater/energy?
Isotopes certainly qualify as unstable configurations of a structure.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/nucl-th/papers/0511/0511051.pdfOn the Cosmic Nuclear Cycle and the Similarity of Nuclei and Stars
O. Manuel, Michael Mozina, Hilton Ratcliffe
(Submitted on 18 Nov 2005)
Repulsive interactions between neutrons in compact stellar cores cause luminosity and a steady outflow of hydrogen from stellar surfaces. Neutron repulsion in more massive compact objects made by gravitational collapse produces violent, energetic, cosmological events (quasars, gamma ray bursts, and active galactic centers) that had been attributed to black holes before neutron repulsion was recognized.
Rather than evolving in one direction by fusion, nuclear matter on the cosmological scale cycles between fusion, gravitational collapse, and dissociation (including neutron-emission). This cycle involves neither the production of matter in an initial “Big Bang” nor the disappearance of matter into black holes. The similarity Bohr noted between atomic and planetary structures extends to a similarity between nuclear and stellar structures.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0510/0510001.pdf Isotopes Tell Sun’s Origin and Operation
O. Manuel1, Sumeet A. Kamat2, and Michael Mozina
To be published in Proceedings of the First Crisis in Cosmology Conference Monção, Portugal, 23-25 June 2005
(Submitted on 28 Sep 2005)
The Source Of Luminosity In An Iron-Rich Sun
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WOW!!!! wow!!! What a paper!!!!
Tell Martin Bojowald (and those that he cited), that I’m throwing a party and supplying the refreshments and photo ops. (They can get an expense account from their depts.).
Marcus, you can forget all the other papers …. This is the most influential paper … and it will be for years to come.
I want to tell all the “seekers” about this paper.
I want to tell the whole world!
Contrarily to Martin Bojowald, I can take a definite position and say that his paper presents a strong argument as to why the “inflaton” is not needed.http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.4398v1.pdf The Dark Side of a Patchwork Universe
Martin Bojowald
30 may 2007
A complete understanding of the universe currently faces several problems, most of which are occasionally expected to be solved by some version of quantum gravity. This also applies to the dark energy problem.
Schematically, one has a picture where space is presented as a discrete structure building up from a small state at the big bang to a highly refined, nearly continuous fabric today. The evolution picture is thus that of an irregular lattice structure which changes in internal time by
elementary changes of geometry.Note: just add one more unit every once in a whileFrom the point of view of quantum field theory on curved space-times one can effectively view the finiteness of vacuum energy in loop quantum gravity as a cut-off provided by the underlying discrete structure of loop quantum gravity. On the grounds of dimensional arguments one would expect that
the cut-off occurs at Planckian values of energy or length, which would certainly result in the well known mismatch between the predicted and observed cosmological constants.
Note: I would like to see arguments why the cutoff cannot be at 10^18 (gluon interaction sizes/length)It is to be expected that vacuum energy in this formalism does not only depend on the matter state but also on quantum geometry.
In fact, such a quantum geometry epoch of inflation typically does not last long enough to provide all 60 e-foldings required for successful structure formation.
Moreover, such an isotropic model with only inverse volume corrections is not
very accurate at large volume because it does not fully take into account the dynamical discreteness of space manifesting itself in lattice refinements determined by the elementary moves of a Hamiltonian constraint.
Rather, during expansion the discrete structure of space subdivides as described in Sec. 2 which can be modeled by adding new small, discrete patches resulting from new vertices of graphs. When the number of patches increases with volume, their size stays nearly constant or could even decrease.francesca I did not even look at the other papers that you mentioned. Martin Bojowald’s paper was just tooooo much!
jal
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I was waiting for comment from the more informed and critical members of this forum and I was also searching for clarifications and so as to improve my knowledge.
Since no one has posted any other comments …. here are my comments. (for a general audience)
Martin Bojowald in “The Dark Side of a Patchwork Universe” is also proposing that quantization could be an approach for solving the Casimir Effects, which is outside of the proton, neutron drip-line and proposes an intuitive understanding of the “quark sea” which is inside the drip-line.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0406/0406024v1.pdf REVIEW ARTICLE
The Casimir effect: Recent controversies and Progress
Kimball A. Milton
02 june 2004
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p. 61 This promises to add another bit of understanding to our knowledge of Casimir forces, knowledge that seems to grow only incrementally based on specific calculations, since a general understanding is still not at hand.
p. 62
6. Dynamical Casimir Effects
Dynamically,
photons indeed should be produced by QED by a rapidly oscillating bubble, but to produce the requisite number (106 per flash) necessitated, if not superluminal velocities at least macroscopic collapse time scales of order 10−15 s, rather than the observed 10−11 s scale [80].
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The casmir effect has been observed down to 10nm. The similarity with the "quark sea" at 0.1 fm is only that... a similarity. The two are different.
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10 june
http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.3793v1 Precision measurement of the Casimir-Lifshitz force in a fluid
Authors: Jeremy N. Munday, Federico Capasso
(Submitted on 25 May 2007)
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This is the only game in town.
http://www.phys.psu.edu/~cteq/handbook/v1.1/handbook.pdf Handbook of perturbative QCD
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p. 25 The successes of QCD in describing the strong interactions are summarized by two terms: asymptotic freedom (Gross and Wilczek, 1973a; Politzer, 1973) and confinement. To understand the importance of these two attributes we should recall some facts about the strong interactions.
Hadron spectra are very well described by the quark model, but quarks have never been seen in isolation. Any effort to produce single quarks in scattering experiments leads only to the production of the familiar mesons and baryons. Evidently, the forces between quarks are strong. Paradoxically, however, certain high energy cross sections are quite successfully described by a model in which the quarks do not interact at all. This is the parton model that we shall describe in Section III..
Asymptotic freedom refers to the weakness of the short-distance interaction, while the confinement of quarks follows from its strength at long distances.
An extraordinary feature of QCD is its ability to accommodate both kinds of behavior. It does this by making the forces between quarks a rather complicated function of distance. Qualitatively, when two quarks are close together, the force is relatively weak (this is asymptotic freedom), but when they move farther apart the force becomes much stronger (confinement). At some distance, it becomes easier to make new quarks and antiquarks, which combine to form hadrons, than to keep pulling against the ever-increasing force. The realization that a single theory might describe such a complicated behavior is commonplace nowadays, but it required a major reorientation in our way of thinking about fundamental forces.
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Doing quantization (LQG) is much more intuitive that “dipping” into an unknown “quark sea” and picking out “particles” that make the parton model work.
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p. 25 The successes of QCD in describing the strong interactions are summarized by two terms: asymptotic freedom (Gross and Wilczek, 1973a; Politzer, 1973) and confinement. To understand the importance of these two attributes we should recall some facts about the strong interactions. Hadron spectra are very well described by the quark model, but quarks have never been seen in isolation. Any effort to produce single quarks in scattering experiments leads only to the production of the familiar mesons and baryons. Evidently, the forces between quarks are strong. Paradoxically, however, certain high energy cross sections are quite successfully described by a model in which the quarks do not interact at all. This is the parton model that we shall describe in Section III.. Asymptotic freedom refers to the weakness of the short-distance interaction, while the confinement of quarks follows from its strength at long distances. An extraordinary feature of QCD is its ability to accommodate both kinds of behavior. It does this by making the forces between quarks a rather complicated function of distance. Qualitatively, when two quarks are close together, the force is relatively weak (this is asymptotic freedom), but when they move farther apart the force becomes much stronger (confinement). At some distance, it becomes easier to make new quarks and antiquarks, which combine to form hadrons, than to keep pulling against the ever-increasing force. The realization that a single theory might describe such a complicated behavior is commonplace nowadays, but it required a major reorientation in our way of thinking about fundamental forces. |
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Doing quantization (LQG) is much more intuitive that “dipping” into an unknown “quark sea” and picking out “particles” that make the parton model work.
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p.158 The parton distributions are determined with much more precision than before.
On the other hand, these analyses also are calling into question, for the first time, the ultimate consistency of the existing theoretical framework with all existing experimental measurements!
(This can be regarded as testimony to the progress made in both theory and experiment – considering the fact that contradictions come with precision, and they are a necessary condition for discovering overlooked shortcomings and/or harbingers of new physics.)
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http://cerncourier.com/main/article/44/5/13/1 … so lattices 2.5 fm across or larger are thought to be sufficient for calculations at present.
The development of higher order, "improved" discretizations of QCD has allowed calculations to be performed that give answers close to continuum QCD, with values for the lattice spacing of around 0.1 fm.
(Note: size of proton approx. 1.0 fm)
Two different values of the lattice spacing have been simulated to check discretization errors and two different volumes (2.5 and 3.5 fm across) to check finite volume errors.
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(Note: this is still within the nucleus/drip-line.)
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Confusion reigns in the only game in town.
The naming of the processes/action and the naming of the particles are all mixed up.
(Let me use a coin for an example. It could be representing a quark/gluon in the “quark sea”)
To me it would be like turning a coin, front (+), side (zero/quark sea/Z.P.E.), back (-) and then renaming those actions as well as renaming the front, side, back when all along you forgot that it’s a coin that you are turning over. Then, renaming all the ways (x,y,z) that the coin can be turned. (Even if you have 3 coins.) I don’t see how the transformation from an action to a particle or any transformation from a particle to an action can change the coins. How can re-naming of the position or re-naming the momentum change the coins?
What would you do if you had 12 coins? Call it a quark sea? )
Would one more coin (13) or 4 more (16) be the entry point into the parton model in the drip-line?
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase.../haddia.html#c1 hadron diagram
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I would bet that when CERN goes fishing in the “quark sea” that their anchor will reach bottom at 10^-18.
If I got it all wrong then I’ll take my place in a long line up of people who know more than me.Maybe someone else has comment for the specialized audience?

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kaneda
12th June 2007 - 07:28 AM
jal. I have been assured that electrons are smaller than 10-^20 from experiments. I thought electrons and quarks about that size which means they could have been missed.
What happens if Physorg decide you're using this thread as a personal blogspot and just delete the lot of it?
jal
12th June 2007 - 01:44 PM
kaneda!
What happens if you are interested in learning about science....?------------
WHAT’S IN THE NUCLEON?
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0306/0306287v1.pdf QCD Phenomenology
Lectures at the CERN–Dubna School, Pylos, August 2002
Yu.L. Dokshitzer
Abstract
The status of QCD phenomena and open problems are reviewed
29 June 2003
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(Chiral Quark–Soliton Model (CQSM) )
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0608/0608197v1.pdf Nuclear matter in the chiral quark soliton model with vector mesons
S.Nagai1, N.Sawado, and N.Shiiki1,
(Dated: March 22, 2007)
The idea of investigating dense nuclear matter in the topological soliton models has been developed over decades. It was first applied for the nuclear matter system with the skyrmion centered cubic (CC) crystal by Klebanov [1]. This configuration was studied further by
W¨ust, Brown and Jackson to estimate the baryon density and discuss the phase transition between nuclear matter and quark matter [2]. Goldhabor and Manton found a new configuration, body-centered cubic (BCC) of half-skyrmions in a higher density regime [3]. The face centered cubic (FCC) and BCC lattice were studied by Castillejo et al. [4] and the phase transitions between those configurations were investigated by Kugler and Shtrikman [5]. Recently, the idea of using crystallized skyrmions to study nuclear matter was revived by Park, Min, Rho and Vento with the introduction of the Atiyah-Manton multi-soliton ansatz in a unit cell [6].
The chiral quark soliton model (CQSM) can be interpreted as the soliton bag model including not only valence quarks but also the vacuum sea quark polarization effects explicitly [16, 17, 18, 19]. The model provides correct observables of a nucleon such as mass, electromagnetic value, spin carried by quarks, parton distributions and octet, decuplet SU(3) baryon spectra [20, 21].
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A good explanations of the quark sea with the use of instantons----------------
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0205/0205054v1.pdf INSTANTONS AND BARYON DYNAMICS
DMITRI DIAKONOV
06 may 2002
The average size of instantons found in ref. 11 is ¯_ ≈ 0.36 fm and their average separation is ¯R = (N/V )−1 4 ≈ 0.89 fm. Similar results have been obtained by other lattice groups using various techniques. A decade earlier the basic characteristics of the instanton ensemble were obtained analytically from the Feynman variational principle 12,13 and expressed through the only
dimensional parameter _ one has in QCD: ¯_ ≈ 0.48/_MS ≃ 0.35 fm, ¯R ≈ 1.35/_MS ≃ 0.95 fm, if one uses _MS = 280MeV as it follows from the DIS data.
Summing up instanton-induced quark interactions in baryons leads to the Chiral Quark–Soliton Model where baryons appear to be bound states of constituent quarks pulled together by the chiral field. The model enables one to compute numerous parton distributions, as well as ‘static’ characteristics of baryons – with no fitting parameters.
Numerous parton distributions have been computed in the CQSM, mainly by the Bochum group. 27,28,29 There have been a number of mysteries from naive quark models’ point of view: the large number of antiquarks already at a low virtuality, the ‘spin crisis’, the large flavor asymmetry of antiquarks, etc.
The CQSM explains all those ‘mysteries’ in a natural way as it incorporates, together with valence quarks bound by the isospin-1 pion field, the negativeenergy Dirac sea. Furthermore, the CQSM predicts nontrivial phenomena that have not been observed so far: large flavor asymmetry of the polarized antiquarks 29, transversity dictributions 30, peculiar shapes of the so-called skewed
parton distributions 31 and other phenomena in hard exclusive reactions. 32
Baryon dynamics is rich and far from naive “three quarks” expectations.-------------------
What is the popularity of the Chiral Quark–Soliton Model (CQSM)?
Has the addition of the INSTANTONS to explain the “quark sea” been received as a positive step?
Has anyone been able to make the connection with the Chiral Quark–Soliton Model (CQSM) and spinfoam?---------------------
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0706/0706.1534v1.pdf Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale∗
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St. N, Waterloo, ON N2L 2Y5, Canada.
June 11, 2007
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If you got trouble understanding this paper then go look at my simple presentation in my blog and the spinning double tetra.-------------------
Previous papers
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0606/0606074v2.pdf A semiclassical tetrahedron
Carlo Rovelli and Simone Speziale_
CPT†, CNRS Case 907, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St.N, Waterloo, ON-N2L-2Y5, Canada
March 31, 2007
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0611/0611097v1.pdf Grasping rules and semiclassical limit of the geometry
in the Ponzano–Regge model
Jonathan Hackett and Simone Speziale
17 Nov 2006
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kaneda
13th June 2007 - 10:47 AM
jal. I thought you had some interest in this forum. You don't. You have no interest in debating with anyone here but are just filling pages up with posts full of nonsense.
jal
21st June 2007 - 05:34 PM
Alain Connes is working on a new book
http://www.alainconnes.org/downloads.htmlNoncommutative Geometry, Quantum Fields and Motives (with Matilde Marcolli) NEW BOOK! (warning: preliminary version still under revision) [PDF] 3.8 MB
It's long (639 page) and heavy reading (it's for the "math kids") but it does explain what the physic community is doing and how it can be linked with quantum geometry.
jal
26th June 2007 - 10:29 PM
SMALLEST BLACK HOLES
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0706/0706.3239v1.pdf Black hole entropy, curved space and monsters
Stephen D. H. Hsu and David Reeb
21 June 2007
Almost all of the entropy of a given black hole must result from a smaller black hole which has absorbed some additional mass.
It is also worth noting that a single s-wave mode with energy m = 1/R = 1/M has entropy O(1), so satisfies S = Mm. Thus, a black hole can move along the S = A curve by absorbing such modes. This is arguably the smallest amount of energy that can be absorbed by the hole, since otherwise the Compton wavelength of the mode is much larger than the horizon itself.
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What is he saying? How would the Compton wavelength fit in with
the ultraviolet and an infrared cutoff, if the cut off is as a result of the minimum length and the resulting structure?
The smallest black hole has got to be bigger than the smallest wavelength that can exist. -------------
We seem to have some possible length scales from
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0205/0205054v1.pdf INSTANTONS AND BARYON DYNAMICS
DMITRI DIAKONOV
06 may 2002
The average size of instantons found in ref. 11 is ¯_ ≈ 0.36 fm and their average separation is ¯R = (N/V )−1 4 ≈ 0.89 fm. Similar results have been obtained by other lattice groups using various techniques. A decade earlier the basic characteristics of the instanton ensemble were obtained analytically from the Feynman variational principle 12,13 and expressed through the only dimensional parameter _ one has in QCD: ¯_ ≈ 0.48/_MS ≃ 0.35 fm, ¯R ≈ 1.35/_MS ≃ 0.95 fm, if one uses _MS = 280MeV as it follows from the DIS data.
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We seem to be having some possible structures from
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0608/0608197v1.pdf Nuclear matter in the chiral quark soliton model with vector mesons
S.Nagai1, N.Sawado, and N.Shiiki1,
(Dated: March 22, 2007)
The idea of investigating dense nuclear matter in the topological soliton models has been developed over decades. It was first applied for the nuclear matter system with the skyrmion centered cubic (CC) crystal by Klebanov [1]. This configuration was studied further by W¨ust, Brown and Jackson to estimate the baryon density and discuss the phase transition between nuclear matter and quark matter [2]. Goldhabor and Manton found a new configuration, body-centered cubic (BCC) of half-skyrmions in a higher density regime [3]. The face centered cubic (FCC) and BCC lattice were studied by Castillejo et al. [4] and the phase transitions between those configurations were investigated by Kugler and Shtrikman [5]. Recently, the idea of using crystallized skyrmions to study nuclear matter was revived by Park, Min, Rho and Vento with the introduction of the Atiyah-Manton multi-soliton ansatz in a unit cell [6].
The chiral quark soliton model (CQSM) can be interpreted as the soliton bag model including not only valence quarks but also the vacuum sea quark polarization effects explicitly [16, 17, 18, 19]. The model provides correct observables of a nucleon such as mass, electromagnetic value, spin carried by quarks, parton distributions and octet, decuplet SU(3) baryon spectra [20, 21].
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Also, Simone Speziale is proposing a 3d double tetra as a spinfoam structure
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...706.1534v1.pdf Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale
June 11, 2007
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I have already figured out (my blog) the smallest black hole would consist of 6 instantons and each would be limited to moving to 3 position. The smallest black hole would consist of 24 units. (S=A/4). Also, the smallest black hole can only grow by absorbing even numbers of quantas of energy. Odd numbers and fractions are not permitted.
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From the above information I would be tempted to say that we could observe mini black holes at CERN.
What is going on? Is the logic faulty? Is spinfoam doomed?
Jal
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It’s interesting that if we were to use .36 fm, (the average size of instantons found in ref. 11 is ¯_ ≈ 0.36 fm and their average separation is ¯R = (N/V )−1 4 ≈ 0.89 fm., and the BI parameter 2.763953198,
http://www.physicsforums.com/blogs/jal-580...lack-holes-945/ ,
we would get 2.763953198 * .36 = 1.0 fm which is the size of proton.
Would this mean that the smallest possible black hole would be the size of a proton?
This would make sense with the statements by Stephen D. H. Hsu and David Reeb
Jal
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Marcus?
Iwas looking over some of the other papers that you have been supplying for our attention.
http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3688 Why the Standard Model
Authors: Ali H. Chamseddine, Alain Connes
(Submitted on 25 Jun 2007)
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http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3690 A Dress for SM the Beggar
Authors: Ali H. Chamseddine, Alain Connes
(Submitted on 25 Jun 2007 (v1), last revised 26 Jun 2007
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The question that comes to my mind.....
Would not the most influential paper be the one that can supply the most usefull math approach?
Since you are a retired mathematician, I assume you would be able to evaluate the importance of those 2 papers better than most.
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My understanding is that the above two papers are a condensed version of
ftp://ftp.alainconnes.org/bookjune4.pdf---------
JAL
jal
14th July 2007 - 02:36 PM
There might be some information in this paper that might help with what you are doing. (Double Slit Experiment)
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacpubs...-pub-12632.html SLAC-PUB-12632
Novel QCD Phenomena
Stanley J. Brodsky∗†
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University, Stanford, CA, 94309
june 2007
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insert:
http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/Papers/Confinement%20Paper.pdf Yang-Mills magnetic sources as the foundation of baryons,
mesons, and QCD confinement
Jay R. Yablon
Volume integration over P, and application of Gauss’ law to the surface of the integration volume, demonstrates that there can never be a net flux of gluons or individual quarks across the boundary, but that quark / antiquark pairs do cross the boundary in the form of short-range mesons. This may provide an exact analytical solution of confinement and to the so-called Yang-Mills “mass gap” problem.
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Wanting to understand "waves" is still a priority.
The experiments have moved down to the level of QCD.
With the level of education of the participants of this thread, the learning curve will be easier than for most people.
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I will try to stick to optical bench tops and little mirrors and crystals and experimental results where "I think" I understand what is happening. It is best for me to keep a handle on experiment and not to stretch some imaginary link beyond the level where it presently can be understood.
Get out of the "time warp". The new experiments can be understood by those who learn the language being used in the new experiments.
Just remember that everything that we can detect is within the "drip line".
We have no way of verifying what is happening between the emmitted and the absorber because when we insert a probe inbetween it then becomes an absorber.
This applies to macro and micro distances.
QCD uses a "bag model" however, we do not know What is in the "bag". Is it the whole nucleon ..... a proton .... a neutron .... quarks .... gluons ....????
Do they affect each other like many bags in proximity? How do they interact?
Are waves real?
This is the frontier of science. This is the frontier of our knowledge.
info on “drip line”
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0312/0312003v3.pdf Standard Model Masses and Models of Nuclei
Alejandro Rivero
10 May 2004
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I will try to stick to optical bench tops and little mirrors and crystals and experimental results where "I think" I understand what is happening. It is best for me to keep a handle on experiment and not to stretch some imaginary link beyond the level where it presently can be understood.
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Get out of the "time warp". The new experiments can be understood by those who learn the language being used in the new experiments.
Just remember that everything that we can detect is within the "drip line".
We have no way of verifying what is happening between the emmitted and the absorber because when we insert a probe inbetween it then becomes an absorber.
This applies to macro and micro distances.
QCD uses a "bag model" however, we do not know What is in the "bag". Is it the whole nucleon ..... a proton .... a neutron .... quarks .... gluons ....????
Do they affect each other like many bags in proximity? How do they interact?
Are waves real?
This is the frontier of science. This is the frontier of our knowledge.
info on “drip line”
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0312/0312003v3.pdf Standard Model Masses and Models of Nuclei
Alejandro Rivero
10 May 2004
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This thread is about the Double Slit Experiment not QCD. I am sure you will find a thread that relates to QCD.
What relates to the DSE is QED... Quantum Electrodynamics not QCD... Quantum Chromodynamics does not apply in this "realm".
It seems to me that this is a premature conclusion.
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Horses for courses Jal... But first shoe your horse.
I've shown you the water ..... have a drink whenever you are ready.
jal
jal
15th July 2007 - 02:33 PM
EXPERIMENTAL LIMITS ON THE SIZES OF FUNDAMENTAL PARTICLES
10−18cm that is what I have been using.http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0611/0611005v1.pdf QCD, New Physics and Experiment
Giuseppe Nardulli
01 Nov 2006
Abstract. I give a summary of Section E of the seventh edition of the Conference Quark confinement
and the hadron spectrum. Papers were presented on different subjects, from spectroscopy,
including pentaquarks and hadron structure, to the quest for physics beyond the standard model
For EM interactions one gets limit on the mass of a heavy electron: m∗ = 308±56 GeV and for the finite size of the electron a limit of = 1253.2±226 GeV, corresponding to a
size r ≈ 16×10−18cm . For EW interaction the most stringent limits for the quarks are
rq < 2.2×10−18cm, for the leptons rl < 0.9×10−18 cm, and the form factor puts a limit
on the electron size of re < 28×10−18cm. Finally a scheme to describe all fundamental particles as extended objects of a finite geometrical size was presented by , J¨urgen Ulbricht.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0111/0111302v3.pdfPutting non Point-like Behavior of Fundamental Particles to Test
Irina Dymnikova∗, Alexander Sakharov†, J¨urgen Ulbricht† and
Jiawei Zhao
24 March 2003
Abstract.
We review the experimental limits on those hypothetical interactions where the
fundamental particles could exhibit non point-like behavior. In particular we have
focused on the QED reaction measuring the differential cross sections for the process
e+e− → () at energies around 91 GeV and 209 GeV with data collected from the L3
detector from 1991 to 2001. With a global fit L3 set lower limits at 95% CL on a contact
interaction energy scale parameter _ > 1.6 TeV,
which restricts the characteristic QED
size of the interaction region to Re < 1.2 ?10−17 cm. All the interaction regions are
found to be smaller than the Compton wavelength of the fundamental particles. This
constraint we use to estimate a lower limit on the internal density of particle-like
structure with the de Sitter vacuum core. Some applications of obtained limits to the
string and quantum gravity scales are also discussed.
Self-gravitating particle-like structure with de Sitter core is generic. It is obtained
from the Einstein equations with the boundary conditions of the de Sitter vacuum
at r = 0 and Minkowski vacuum at the infinity.
For the case of maximum possible scale for ρvac at which a particle could get its mass, it gives model independent constraints on sizes of vacuum cores for leptons which are re > 4.9 x10−26 cm, rμ > 8.3×10−27 cm, r_ > 3.3×10−27 cm.
Note: Which of course would be impossible to happen since it is smaller than the radius of the Compton wavelength. (QED). Therefore, there is a transition to QCD that need to be discovered. The Smallest possible black hole-1.0 fm (proton) must be able to take QCD into consideration. The smallest black hole has got to be bigger than the smallest wavelength that can exist.
How do we determine the smallest wavelength from quarks, gluons (QCD)? -----------------
There are proposals to experimentally verify the quantum minimum length scale.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-lat/pdf/0610/0610027v1.pdf A STRATEGY TO STUDY CONFINEMENT IN QCD
Adriano DI GIACOMO
03 Oct 2006
We have argued that the only natural explanation of experimental data on confinement is that confinement is related to a symmetry, and therefore that the deconfining phase transition is an order disorder transition, and not a crossover.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0612/0612146v3.pdf Diquark and light four-quark states
Ailin Zhang1, Tao Huang2 and Tom G. Steele
12 July 2007
Four-quark states with different internal clusters are discussed within the constituent quark model.
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http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacpubs...-pub-12632.html SLAC-PUB-12632
Novel QCD Phenomena
Stanley J. Brodsky∗†
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University, Stanford, CA, 94309
june 2007
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0312/0312003v3.pdf Standard Model Masses and Models of Nuclei
Alejandro Rivero
10 May 2004
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This is the frontier of science. This is the frontier of our knowledge.
jal
22nd July 2007 - 09:37 PM
WHAT IS THE SIZE OF A PHOTON?If you believe in extra dimensions then the size would be limited by the size of the extra dimension.
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2007/tables/sxxx.pdf p.5
Constraints on the radius of extra dimensions for the case of two flat dimensions of equal radius
r < 90-660 nm (astrophysics; limits depend on technique and assumptions)
r < 0:22 mm, CL = 95% (direct tests of Newton's law; cited in Extra Dimensions
review)
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Therefore, a maximum size of a photon would be either .22mm or 660nm. If you want to assume a way of making a bigger photon squeeze into a small hole (dimension) then you do not have any constraints on the size of a photon.
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As far as I can figure out, everyone assumes that an emitter of a photon cannot emit a photon bigger than what it is. Also, an absorber of a photon has got to be bigger than the photon. So, from
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2007/tables/bxxx.pdfPROTON
Charge radius = 0.875 ± 0.007 fm
NEUTRON
Mean-square charge radius R^2n_ = 0.1161 ± 0.0022 fm2 (S = 1.3)
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Therefore, we have another kind of constraint on the size of a photon. The size of a proton/neutron.
How small can a photon get? If quarks are proven to emit photons then this would be determined by the sizes of quarks.----------------
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0611/0611005v1.pdf QCD, New Physics and Experiment
Giuseppe Nardulli
01 Nov 2006
Abstract. I give a summary of Section E of the seventh edition of the Conference Quark confinement and the hadron spectrum. Papers were presented on different subjects, from spectroscopy, including pentaquarks and hadron structure, to the quest for physics beyond the standard model
For EM interactions one gets limit on the mass of a heavy electron: m∗ = 308±56 GeV and = 1253.2±226 GeV, correspondingfor the finite size of the electron a limit of to a size r ≈ 16×10−18cm . For EW interaction the most stringent limits for the quarks are rq < 2.2×10−18cm, for the leptons rl < 0.9×10−18 cm, and the form factor puts a limit on the electron size of re < 28×10−18cm. Finally a scheme to describe all fundamental particles as extended objects of a finite geometrical size was presented by , J¨urgen Ulbricht.
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QUARKS
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2007/reviews/quarks_q000.pdf See my blog for more references.
yquantum
28th July 2007 - 01:08 AM
jal,
OK, but it appears this post will take some of my lunch time.
ciao_
yquantum
jal
28th July 2007 - 04:25 PM
WHY? – UNCERTAINTY – SPIN - CONFINEMENT
There are thousands of good teachers who can teach you Quantum Mechanics and how to do the calculation.
Michael Fowler’s home page
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/~mf1i/home.html His classes fall 2006
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/751.mf1i.fall02/ Here is my simple explanation on WHY.
We start with the First Principle, Minimum Length, and the resulting structure.
An energy node can only be at position #1 or position #3. That translate to 50% uncertainty. Position # 1 and # 4 are too close and violate the minimum length.
If it helps you, think of position #1 as real or positive and position #3 as imaginary or negative.
You might argue that there could be an energy node at position #1 and also at position #3. Correct! It could! But each of them would have a different center of spin/orbit. If both of them had the same center of spin/orbit then you would need to identify them as if they had different spin/orbit since that would be the only way to tell them apart. They both would behave as if they had different center of spin/orbit.
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In 2d we have a square, 4 sides. However, at the quantum level we have six possible positions as show with 2d packing. That would be 6j. It is still 50% uncertainty.
In 3d we have a cube, 6j. However, at the quantum level we can have 2 cubes imbedded and we end up with 12j, which is 3d packing. You still have 50% uncertainty.
Therefore, from first principle of minimum length and the resulting structure we see that the location of the energy nodes give us quantum uncertainty, spin and confinement. Confinement is simply keeping the hex. or cubic packing formation.
That is why you can use the double cube or double tetra to do calculations.

If the images don't show up come back when the traffic is lighter.
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yquantum
Don't drink too much wine with your lunch.
jal
31st July 2007 - 11:53 PM
The picture of the electron makes it obvious that there is a structure to the electrons.
http://www.physorg.com/news104156028.htmlIt's also obvious that the electons are doing something so that they can be seen because that is not a picture at 10^-18 as indicated at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_mag...de_%28length%29 http://www.4engr.com/research/catalog/209/index.html Focus of research of Ashoori group
http://www.4engr.com/research/catalog/209/index.html This experiment is technically demanding; large bandwidth signals (from around 1 kHz to 1 Ghz)
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This would indicate that the electron has got to be big enough to absorb/reflect that bandwidth
.... it has to do with our understanding of what electrons and photons can or cannot do.
Is the electron size 10^-18 or more?
Is the pattern that was created a confirmation that there is a simple symmetrical structure at 10^-18 that is reflected in the position/structure of the electrons as shown by the Ashoori group?
jal
1st August 2007 - 07:16 PM
http://www.fen.bilkent.edu.tr/~yalabik/applets/collapse.html Remember that the electron itself is a very small particle, less in size than the size of a point (a pixel) in the figure. However, the "wavefunction" associated with the particle typically may extend over a scale of tens of nanometers. At any time, the square magnitude of the wavefunction plotted in the figure would be proportional to the probability of detecting the particle at that point, if the whole plane was covered with electron detectors which would be activated at that instant in time. Only one of those detectors would then "click", with the corresponding probability. The wavefunction will then instantly lose its meaning and is said to "collapse".
How the electron itself moves (whether it passes through one of the slits or both - or how the wavefunction is related to the actual electron) is a question that is not well defined in quantum mechanics - some would say that it is not a valid question.
In the following presentation
http://electron.mit.edu/scanning/ the Ashoori group is claiming to have a picture of the ACTUAL energy density. (NOT the "wavefunction" associated with the particle).
Something does not add up. We should not be able to “see” the energy density of something as small as 10^-18.
yquantum
3rd August 2007 - 01:57 AM
jal,
From what I have read you have been busy.
I wish I could summarize all that you have said, you have made many post.
Read this and tell me because only you would know what you mean if this agrees with your hypothesis.
You will be able to read the different epoch/fix point/orgin -- and how they believe our cosmos began.
http://www.physics.utah.edu/~cassiday/p1080/lec04.htmlLet me know I will check back.
caio_
yquantum
jal
3rd August 2007 - 03:43 PM
Hi
yquantumThat is a good link that puts much of the
OLD and presently taught ideas of how the universe began.
However, science marches on. People have always found problem with that scenario/theory and have been working on trying to resolve those problems.
The e-folding being one of the big one. When doing a "lookback" the model crashes.
I have given a lot of links/papers of the work being done in cosmology.
Here is another,
http://www.gravity.psu.edu/igc/conf_files/prelim_agenda.html.
If there were no problems with the present model, ask yourself why a university (Penstate) would open an Institute for Gravitation and the Cosmos.
For the latest news Download the IGC Inaugural Conference Program.
Download the detailed parallel sessions program.
After THURSDAY, AUGUST 9, 2007 go back and see if the talks are on line.
The present thinking (if you are not aware of it) is that there was a "bounce", "a reheating" and the singularity is not needed and it appear that the inflaton will not be needed for the expansion. (The bounce occures at 24 units which aggrees with my number.)
jal
jal
4th August 2007 - 01:19 AM
I shall do my summary.
I am, I hope, referred to, with respect, as the "Flat earth".
You can get the idea from
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5203The only thing flat is the quantized membranes or anything else that you want to called them. I called the individual energy concentration "spot" and even the minimum required units the by same name, for simplicity.
As a result, you can have 4 locations in a "spot" OR IN 2D, 6 locations in a "spot" of a possible 24 locations OR IN 3D, 12 locations out of a possibility of 48 locations. All of this is because of a FIRST PRINCIPLE.
QUANTUM MINIMUM LENGTH.
In the language of LQG (triads) you end up with a double tetra in 3d.
All the citations are in my thread.
The "math kids" are proving every step and eventually will end up with a model with which dynamics can be studied.
jal
jal
4th August 2007 - 05:25 PM
CITATION SUMMARYhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.2629v1.pdf DUAL COMPUTATIONS OF NON-ABELIAN YANG-MILLS ON THE LATTICE
J. WADE CHERRINGTON, J. DANIEL CHRISTENSEN, AND IGOR KHAVKINE
18 May 2007
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0012/0012035v1.pdf Discrete structures in gravity
Tullio Regge and Ruth M. Williams
May 18, 2006
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http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/sp/Speziale/3 arXiv:0705.0674 (May 2007)
A new spinfoam vertex for quantum gravity
Etera R. Livine and Simone Speziale
Received. 04 May 2007 Last updated. 04 May 2007
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http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/sp/Speziale/2 Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale
Received. 11 June 2007 Last updated. 11 June 2007
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http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/sp/Speziale/1 Linearized dynamics from the 4-simplex Regge action
Bianca Dittrich, Laurent Freidel and Simone Speziale
Received. 31 July 2007 Last updated. 31 July 2007
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0606/0606074v2.pdf A semiclassical tetrahedron
Carlo Rovelli and Simone Speziale_
CPT†, CNRS Case 907, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St.N, Waterloo, ON-N2L-2Y5, Canada
Received. 16 June 2006 Last updated. 27 August 2006
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http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Jorge...n/0/1/0/all/0/1 Showing results 1 through 25 (of 132 total) for all:(Jorge AND Pullin)
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0703/0703135v3.pdfLoop quantization of spherically symmetric midi-superspaces
Miguel Campiglia1, Rodolfo Gambini1, Jorge Pullin2
08june 2007
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http://uk.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/9403/9403008.pdf Quantum gravity and minimum length
Luis J. Garay
09 May 1995
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