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Sabine Hossenfelder: Phenomenological Quantum Gravity

The search for a satisfying theory that unifies general relativity with quantum field theory is surely one of the major tasks for physicists in the 21st century. During the last decade, the phenomenology of quantum gravity and string theory has been examined from various points of view, opening new perspectives and testable predictions. I will give a short introduction into these effective models which allow to extend the standard model and include the expected effects of the underlying fundamental theory. I will talk about models with extra dimensions, models with a minimal length scale and those with a deformation of Lorentz invariance. The focus is on observable consequences, such as black hole and graviton production and modifications of standard-model cross-sections.
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Since I have an interest in the work being done on minimum length, I have listed some papers which I found. (Saves you the time to dig them up)
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http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/strings...der_SP_KITP.pdf
THE MINIMUM LENGTH A POWER POINT PRESENTATION
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0611/0611017v1.pdf
Phenomenological Quantum Gravity
S. Hossenfelder
01 Nov 2006
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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ep-ph%2F0512050
Studying the effects of minimal length in large extra dimensional
models in the jet + missing energy channels at hadron colliders
Gautam Bhattacharyya 1, Kumar Rao 2, K. Sridhar
02 July 2006
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0603/0603032v2.pdf
Interpretation of Quantum Field Theories with a Minimal Length Scale
S. Hossenfelder
23 May 2006
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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ep-th%2F0510245
Self-consistency in Theories with a Minimal Length
S. Hossenfelder
21 Feb 2006
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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ep-th%2F0502142
The Casimir Effect in the Presence of a Minimal Length
U. Harbach
S. Hossenfelder
15 March 2005
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0404/0404205v1.pdf
Signatures of a minimal length scale in high precision experiments
U. Harbach,1, ∗ S. Hossenfelder,2 M. Bleicher,1 and H. St¨ocker1
23 April 2004
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0607/0607165v3.pdf
Mini Black Holes in the first year of the LHC
Discovery Through Di-Jet Suppression, Mono-Jet Emission and ionising tracks
in ALICE
H. St¨ocker
24 July 2006
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http://dpf2004.ucr.edu/talks/talk301.pdf
High precision measurements and the minimal scale
Constraining models with Large eXtra Dimensions through high precision
experiments
Ulrich Harbach
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Is anyone aware of any refinement being done on the calculations?
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jal
‘Limiting Curvature Construction’

Using two dimensions to get at an understanding of minimum length is not limited to what I have been doing. “Strings” uses ‘Limiting Curvature Construction’. Since, quantum black holes are a possibilities at CERN then these approaches need to be revisited and updated.
http://br.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/9405/9405004v2.pdf
Singularity-Free Two Dimensional Cosmologies
R. Moessner and M. Trodden
03 Nov 1994
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We present a class of theories of two dimensional gravity which admits homogeneous and isotropic solutions that are nonsingular and asymptotically approach a FRW matter dominated universe at late times. These models are generalizations of two dimensional dilaton gravity and both vacuum solutions and those including conformally coupled matter are investigated. In each case our construction leads to an inflationary stage driven by the gravitational sector. Our work comprises a simple example of the ‘Nonsingular Universe’ constructions of ref.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/9305/9305111v1.pdf
A Nonsingular Two Dimensional Black Hole
M. Trodden, V.F. Mukhanov, R.H. Brandenberger
22 May 1993
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We present a class of theories of two dimensional gravity which admits homogeneous and isotropic solutions that are nonsingular and asymptotically approach a FRW matter dominated universe at late times. These models are generalizations of two dimensional dilaton gravity and both vacuum solutions and those including conformally coupled matter are investigated. In each case our construction leads to an inflationary stage driven by the gravitational sector. Our work comprises a simple example of the ‘Nonsingular Universe’ constructions of ref.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/9305/9305111v1.pdf
A Nonsingular Two Dimensional Black Hole
M. Trodden, V.F. Mukhanov, R.H. Brandenberger
22 May 1993
Abstract
We construct a model of gravity in 1+1 spacetime dimensions in which the
solutions approach the Schwarzschild metric at large r and de Sitter space
far inside the horizon. Our model may be viewed as a two dimensional application of the ‘Limiting Curvature Construction’ of reference[6].

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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...gr-qc%2F9303001
A COSMOLOGICAL THEORY WITHOUT SINGULARITIES
R. Brandenberger , V. Mukhanov and A. Sornborger
01 march 1993
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Abstract
A theory of gravitation is constructed in which all homogeneous and isotropic solutions are nonsingular, and in which all curvature invariants are bounded. All solutions for which curvature invariants approach their limiting values approach de Sitter space. The action for this theory is obtained by a higher derivative modification of Einstein’s theory. We expect that our model can easily be generalized to solve the singularity problem also for anisotropic cosmologies.

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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ep-th%2F0210016
Hawking radiation of nonsingular black holes in two dimensions
D. A. Easson
19 Feb 2003/pub 03 May 2006
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Abstract
A theory of gravitation is constructed in which all homogeneous and isotropic solutions are nonsingular, and in which all curvature invariants are bounded. All solutions for which curvature invariants approach their limiting values approach de Sitter space. The action for this theory is obtained by a higher derivative modification of Einstein’s theory. We expect that our model can easily be generalized to solve the singularity problem also for anisotropic cosmologies.

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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ep-th%2F0210016
Hawking radiation of nonsingular black holes in two dimensions
D. A. Easson
19 Feb 2003/pub 03 May 2006
In this letter we study the process of Hawking radiation of a black hole assuming the existence of a limiting physical curvature scale. The particular model is constructed using the Limiting Curvature Hypothesis (LCH) and in the context of two-dimensional dilaton gravity. The black hole solution
exhibits properties of the standard Schwarzschild solution at large values of the radial coordinate.
However, near the center, the black hole is nonsingular and the metric becomes that of de Sitter spacetime. The Hawking temperature is calculated using the method of complex paths. We find that such black holes radiate eternally and never completely evaporate. The final state is an eternally
radiating relic, near the fundamental scale, which should make a viable dark matter candidate. We briefly comment on the black hole information loss problem and the production of such black holes in collider experiments.

Our classical intuition concerning the creation of black holes in the lab may require refinement. (This is indicated by the above result). The resulting miniature black holes could play an important role as dark matter candidates. The large interior core contains the missing information which may be accessed only by travelling into the black hole. In [18] it was argued that the size of the universe inside the black hole is infinite.


If you have read the above papers you will note that they lack a 2d structure, which I have supplied from first principle.
If you apply a “sharp razor” you will used the QMLS as an answer. See my blog.
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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ro-ph%2F0608034
The Accelerating Universe and a Limiting Curvature Proposal
Damien A. Easson
01 Aug 2006
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Whatever is responsible for the current acceleration may arise from some completely new physical principle. This is the possibility we consider in this paper. Our goal is to construct a toy model that represents a late-time accelerating Universe using a new, possibly fundamental, principle. As our guiding principle, we hypothesize the existence of a minimal curvature scale in gravity.
…. we remain optimistic that an experimentally and theoretically viable model based on the minimal curvature construction can be discovered.

Yes, It’s called QMLS.
jal
‘Deterministic systems’- minimum length – QMLS

An understanding of minimum length is not limited to what I have been doing, Quantum mechanic uses ‘Deterministic systems’ which is equal to QMLS.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0604/0604008v2.pdf
The mathematical basis for deterministic quantum mechanics
Gerard ’t Hooft
26 June 2006

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.2559v1.pdf
Is there a relativistic nonlinear generalization of quantum mechanics?
Hans-Thomas Elze
19 April 2007
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Abstract. Yes, there is. – A new kind of gauge theory is introduced, where the minimal
coupling and corresponding covariant derivatives are defined in the space of functions pertaining
to the functional Schr¨odinger picture of a given field theory. While, for simplicity, we study the
example of a U(1) symmetry, this kind of gauge theory can accommodate other symmetries as
well. We consider the resulting relativistic nonlinear extension of quantum mechanics and show
that it incorporates gravity in the (0+1)-dimensional limit, where it leads to the Schr¨odinger-
Newton equations. Gravity is encoded here into a universal nonlinear extension of quantum
theory. The probabilistic interpretation, i.e. Born’s rule, holds provided the underlying model
has only dimensionless parameters.

http://www.jinr.dubna.su/publish/Proceedin...05/pdf/elze.pdf
A quantum field theory as emergent description of constrained supersymmetric classical dynamics
Hans-Thomas Elze
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Abstract. Yes, there is. – A new kind of gauge theory is introduced, where the minimal
coupling and corresponding covariant derivatives are defined in the space of functions pertaining
to the functional Schr¨odinger picture of a given field theory. While, for simplicity, we study the
example of a U(1) symmetry, this kind of gauge theory can accommodate other symmetries as
well. We consider the resulting relativistic nonlinear extension of quantum mechanics and show
that it incorporates gravity in the (0+1)-dimensional limit, where it leads to the Schr¨odinger-
Newton equations. Gravity is encoded here into a universal nonlinear extension of quantum
theory. The probabilistic interpretation, i.e. Born’s rule, holds provided the underlying model
has only dimensionless parameters.

http://www.jinr.dubna.su/publish/Proceedin...05/pdf/elze.pdf
A quantum field theory as emergent description of constrained supersymmetric classical dynamics
Hans-Thomas Elze
Deterministic dynamical models are discussed which can be described in quantum mechanical terms.

Also, presented at Brazilian Journal of Physics, vol. 35. no. 2A, June, 2005
http://www.sbfisica.org.br/bjp/files/v35_343.pdf
Determinism and a Supersymmetric Classical Model of Quantum Fields
Hans-Thomas Elze
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Thus, ’t Hooft’s proposal to reconstruct quantum theory as emergent from an underlying deterministic system, is realized here for a field theory.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0605/0605154v1.pdf

THE GAUGE SYMMETRY OF THE THIRD KIND AND QUANTUM MECHANICS AS AN INFRARED LIMIT
HANS-THOMAS ELZE
16 May 2006/ Received April 19, 2007
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Thus, ’t Hooft’s proposal to reconstruct quantum theory as emergent from an underlying deterministic system, is realized here for a field theory.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0605/0605154v1.pdf

THE GAUGE SYMMETRY OF THE THIRD KIND AND QUANTUM MECHANICS AS AN INFRARED LIMIT
HANS-THOMAS ELZE
16 May 2006/ Received April 19, 2007
We introduce functional degrees of freedom by a new gauge principle related to the phase of the wave functional. Thus, quantum mechanical systems are dissipatively embedded into a nonlinear classical dynamical structure. There is a necessary fundamental length, besides an entropy/area parameter, and standard couplings. For states that are
sufficiently spread over configuration space, quantum field theory is recovered.


The following is a good explanation of the theories, and what we know and don’t know about our universe.
Reading the following paper was enlightening
4. How little I know
5. How much I still have to learn
6. My approach to minimum length and structure is still valid

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0609/0609011v1.pdf
The Cosmological Constant Problem, an Inspiration for New Physics
Stefan Nobbenhuis
04 Sept 2006
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In this thesis we carefully study all known potential candidates for a solution, but conclude that so far none of the approaches gives a satisfactory solution.
A symmetry would be the most elegant solution and we study a new symmetry
under transformation to imaginary spacetime.
…p. 131 On a more positive note, the idea that gravity shuts off completely below 10−3 eV is a very interesting idea. The cosmological constant problem could be solved if one were to find a mechanism showing that flat spacetime is a preferred frame at distances l < 0.1 mm. The model of Sundrum is an approach in this direction, and one of very few models in which gravity becomes weaker at shorter distances. Moreover, another obvious advantage is that it can at least be falsified by submillimeter experiments of the gravitational 1/r2 law.

It appears that there are many ways of finding the minimum length: ‘Deterministic systems’, ‘Limiting Curvature Construction’, ‘Quantum Geometry’, and ‘QMLS’.
Who will be the “math kid” that can combine all of the approaches? ( If I was a betting man, I would put my money on Gerard 't Hooft and group because they are already analyzing “structures”.)
The final model should be able to produce the required dynamics that would give us a better understanding of the universe.
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jal
Great pictures from THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW SOUTH WALES SYDNEY AUSTRALIA
http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/school/articles/me100.html
Distributing points on the sphere

The unit sphere S2 in three dimensions is the set of all points x in R3 the distance |x| = 1 from the origin. Here we are considering just the surface of the sphere, not its interior. In contrast to the circle, it is not possible to equally distribute points on the sphere except in a few special cases (the platonic solids illustrated below). Instead many different criteria are used to distribute points, including minimum energy, covering, packing, Voronoi cells, volume of their convex hull, maximum determinant, cubature weights and norms of the Lagrange polynomials. These different criteria are illustrated in the following images, all based on a set of 100 points which are at least very close to minimizing the potential energy.
User posted image
User posted image
In a mini black hole all of the forces are so great that there are no defects in the sphere. To be stable, it is easy to see that all of the quantum areas must all be the same and be in their exact positions with no defects.
I have already calculated some stable configurations by using QMLS and the "Barbero-Immirzi parameter".
jal
jal
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How do we calculate the minimum quantum area?
1. The densest packing of circles in the plane is the hexagonal lattice of the bee's honeycomb which has a packing density of 1/6 * pi *sq root 3 = .9068996821
2. There are 24 units/circles that must cover approx. .9068996821 of the surface area of the sphere. The sphere area will be .093101 bigger than the area covered by the circles.

The BI parameter that yields the desired agreement with S = A/4 is given by the
value γ0 = 0.27398
Diameter..........Area sphere................Area circle
0.55279064............0.96 ....................0.240...... (not permitted)
0.2763953198.........0.24 ....................0.060...... (not permitted)
0.6909883............. 1.5 ..................... 0.375..... (not permitted)
1.3819766............. 6 .................... 1.5 ....... (not permitted)
2.763953198.....24 .................... 6 .......... okay
5.5279064........... 96 ................... 24 .......... okay
11.55812............384 ................... 96 .......... okay
22.1116256.......1,536 .................. 384 ......... okay
44.22325115......6,144 ................ 1,536 ......... okay

Diameter..........Area sphere..........Area circle … # quantas ….. Area ratio c/s
2.763953198.....24 .................... 6 .......... 6 ……. ¼
5.5279064........... 96 ................. 24 ......... 24 ……. ¼
11.55812............384 ................... 96 ..........96 ……. ¼
22.1116256.......1,536 .................. 384 ........ 384 ……. ¼
44.22325115..... 6,144 ............. 1,536 ......1,536 ……... ¼
88.44645 …….. 24,576 ………….... 6,144 ……. 6,144 ...…… ¼
176.8929 ……. 98,304 …………... 24,576 …..24,576 ……... ¼
(the sphere will be approx 0.1 bigger than the area covered by the individual circles in a hex pattern )
(entropy) S = A/4. The 0.1 (10%) needs an explanation.
There may be other restrictions/conditions that must be met to obtain a stable sphere.

For instance, If we look on how the black hole might break up, rather than on how to make one. The black hole might break up into two groups of three energy unit. (quarks?)
This would lead us to postulate that a mini black hole might be produced using enough energy to bring 6 quarks close enough for them to orbit each other. (H-dibaryon)
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Would CERN produce enough energy to be able to produce a new particle made up of 6 quarks?
Some might call it a heavy proton or a heavy neutron. When it broke up would it make two protons or two neutrons or one of each? Or something else?
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/9912/9912063v2.pdf
H-dibaryon
Tsutomu Sakai, Kiyotaka Shimizu and Koichi Yazaki
08 jan 2000
p. 14 Another quark confinement mechanism is called flip-flop model… and studied in S = −2 channel.
§4. Nucleon–H-dibaryon interaction
In this section, we will review a study on the interaction between a nucleon and an Hdibaryon in Ref. 165) and further comment on the possible implication of the H-dibaryon to the world of the nucleus with S = −2. As stated in the introduction, the H-dibaryon is not only an interesting object in itself but also important in S = −2 sector nuclear physics. In fact, though a few events of double hypernuclei were reported 147), 148), 149) and several candidate events have successively been reported recently, 150), 151) structures of these double hypernuclei have not been fully understood yet. It is possible that there is a double hypernucleus which have the character of an H-nucleus rather than ΛΛ nucleus, if the Hdibaryon is strongly bound in the nucleus.
p. 21 Tamagaki suggested the possibility that H-matter appears at densities several times higher than normal nuclear density. 162) That work is based on an assumption that the CMI plays a key role in determining the properties of the H–H interaction.
p. 22 In Tamagaki’s discussion 162) that there is a possibility of a phase transition from neutron matter to H-matter at a density which is 6 -> 9 times greater than the normal nuclear density ρ0.

Using a relativistic mean field theory, it is studied how H-dibaryon condensate affects the equation of state and the properties of neutron stars. 164) It is shown that, if the limiting neutron star mass is about the mass of the Hulse-Taylor pulsar (1.44M⊙), a condensate of H-dibaryons with their mass in the vacuum about 2.2 GeV and a moderately attractive potential in the medium could not be ruled out.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/9404/9404221v1.pdf
H dibaryon in the QCD sum rule
Nobuaki Kodama, Makoto Oka and Tetsuo Hatsuda
06 April 1994
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Further searches gave me A power house!!!!
http://cosmo.nyu.edu/glennys_farrar.html
Farrar and grad student G. Zaharijas have shown that the baryon asymmetry of the universe may be only an asymmetry in "packaging", with the baryon number in nucleons balanced by anti-baryonic dark matter. Observational constraints on such DM have been obtained and are found to be consistent with the expected DM properties. In one such scenario the DM consists of H and anti-H dibaryons, impelling a renewed study of a long-lived H dibaryon.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0303/0303047v1.pdf
Transitions of two baryons to the H dibaryon in nuclei
Glennys R. Farrar and Gabrijela Zaharijas
05 march 2003
I. INTRODUCTION
The H dibaryon corresponds to the most symmetric color-spin representation of six quarks (uuddss). It is a flavor singlet state with charge 0, strangeness -2 and spin-isospin-parity I(JP ) = 0(0+). The existence of the H was predicted by Jaffe in 1977 [1] in the framework of the quark-bag model. Its mass was originally estimated to be around 2150 MeV, making it stable toward strong decay to two _ particles. Since then, there have been many theoretical efforts to determine its mass and production cross section and, on the experimental side, many inconclusive or unsuccessful attempts to produce and detect it.
There are a number or possible reactions by which two nucleons can convert to an H in a nucleus. The initial state is most likely to be pn or nn in a relative s-wave, because in other cases the Coulomb barrier or relative orbital angular momentum suppresses the overlap of the nucleons at short distances which is necessary to produce the H.
Note that the H does not bind to nuclei[15]; it simply recoils with some momentum imparted in its production.
There are five experiments which have reported positive results in the search for single _ decays from double _ hypernuclei.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0508/0508150v1.pdf
Flavor-singlet hybrid baryons may already have been discovered
Olaf Kittel
Glennys R. Farrar
12 Aug 2005
The hybrid ansatz suggests, but does not predict, that the H-dibaryon mass may be as low as 1.5 GeV.
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Has anyone got anything newer or informative?
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A talk given at Particles and Nuclei International Conference(PANIC05), Santa Fe, NM, Oct. 24-28, 2005
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-lat/pdf/0601/0601005v1.pdf
Multi-Quarks and Two-Baryon Interaction in Lattice QCD
F. Okiharu, H. Suganuma, T. T. Takahashi and T. Doi
04 jan 2006
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-lat/pdf/0601/0601003v1.pdf
Anisotropic lattice QCD studies of penta-quarks and tetra-quarks
N. Ishii, T. Doi, H. Iida, M. Oka, F. Okiharu, H. Suganuma and K. Tsumura
01 jan 2006
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The work on H dibaryon spheres by Glennys R. Farrar and others strongly suggest that the minimum length scale should be at 10^-16 and would not need to be scaled to 10^-18.

My poor poor H dibaryon sphere!!!!
With hex packing and minimum scale each of the (red) quarks must be separated by an empty position to be able to move into. This will mean that the minimum sphere will be 10% bigger than the sum of the 24 positions. The kinds of quarks will determine the packing density configurations.
The mini-black holes that could be produced at CERN will be H dibaryon sphere!
They reveal the QMLS!

User posted image
SPOT has made it into the STANDARD MODEL
kaneda
It must be nice to have your own site here where you can post whatever you want and nobody ever bothers you.
jal
kaneda!
If you can cite information/papers than will refute what I have been gathering then OPEN ANOTHER THREAD and we can discuss it there.
To summarize.... its should be about the minimum length and the quantum structure of spacetime.
jal
N O M
QUOTE (kaneda+May 11 2007, 04:52 AM)
It must be nice to have your own site here where you can post whatever you want and nobody ever bothers you.

This guy does appear to be another Bruce Voigt. Merrily posting away, oblivious to the fact that no-one else is even vaguely interested in their posts. wacko.gif
jal
Someone who completed his education before the web might have arrived an uneducated conclusions.

If you have been on the web for your education then there is no excuse for your ignorance.


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GREAT REVIEWS THAT EXPLAINS WHAT I’M DOING …WITHOUT MATH.
Must read if you want a better understanding of what I have been doing.
( I'll just quote a few passages)

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0012/0012035v1.pdf
Discrete structures in gravity
Tullio Regge and Ruth M. Williams
May 18, 2006
Abstract
Discrete approaches to gravity, both classical and quantum, are reviewed briefly, with emphasis on the method using piecewise-linear spaces. Models of 3-dimensional quantum gravity involving 6j-symbols are then described, and progress in generalizing these models to four dimensions is discussed, as is the relationship of these models in both three and four dimensions to topological theories. Finally, the repercussions of the generalisations are explored for the original formulation
of discrete gravity using edge-length variables.
The related branches of mathematics which found their application to physics in this formulation of gravity are those of piecewise-linear spaces and topology and the geometric notion of intrinsic curvature on polyhedra.
The basic idea of the approach, which has subsequently become known as Regge calculus, is as follows. Rather than considering spaces (or space-times) with continuously varying curvature, we deal with spaces where the curvature is restricted to subspaces of codimension two. This is achieved by considering collections of n-dimensional blocks, which are glued together by identification of their flat (n-1)-dimensional faces. The curvature lies on the (n-2)-dimensional subspaces, known as hinges or bones. For technical reasons, it is convenient to use blocks which are simplices (triangles, tetrahedra and their higher dimensional analogues).
Consider first the realisation of these ideas in two dimensions. Here we have examples in everyday life, geodesic domes; these consist of networks of flat triangles which are fitted together to approximate curved surfaces, usually parts of a sphere.
In order for the piecewise-flat spaces to be of any practical use in relativity, beyond ease of visualisation, it must be possible to calculate geometric quantities like curvature and volume, and in particular to evaluate the Einstein action of such a space.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/9808/9808192v1.pdf
Towards a background independent approach to M theory
Lee Smolin_
11 Aug 1998
Progress is reported on a background independent membrane field theory and on a realization of the holographic principle based on finite surfaces.
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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ep-th%2F0303185
How far are we from the quantum theory of gravity?
Lee Smolin
19 March 2003
What remains to be done in loop quantum gravity?
What remains to be done in string theory?
The most important conclusion of this survey is that there is now a realistic chance that experiment may over the next ten years be able to distinguish between the predictions of different quantum theories of gravity, including string theory and loop quantum gravity.
Given this, the first priority of theory must be to anticipate the experiments, by bringing the theories to the point where they make clean predictions that may allow them to be falsified.
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jal
Big Bang is dead
The big bang concept is built around the mathematical concept of singularity, zero, and quantum fluctuation around zero point energy (foaming vacuum). To this was added inflation which was built on the model of ice freezing. The expansion is added in to coincide with the observation of light being red shifted.
A new approach has been proposed which puts an end to the big bang and all approaches that use singularities to explain, wave packets, black holes etc.)
“Bounce” is a different mathematical approach.
It eliminates singularity, zero, and quantum fluctuation that go below zero.
BOUNCE imposes a minimum length.
Some might like to think of this as taking a different time slice where everything happens in our time frame and our perceived 3d universe.
Added to this is “re heating” which had to be added to reconcile the observations of the distributions of the galaxies and to try to account for “dark energy/matter”.

The big bang and the bounce are totally different mathematical approaches that should not be confused.
The bounce approach can be falsified/proven since it explain everything within a minimum length that is within our universe. This minimum length might be revealed at CERN if it scaled to 10^-18.
Already, 5 experiments on 2d H-dibaryon sphere configurations have been identified that suggest that there is a structure of quarks at a possible scale of 10^16.

People who work with the Standard Model identify their concepts with particles, waves and fields. They do not use a Quantum Minimum Length Structure or the language of LQG. As a result, they would be proposing a new particle or force field that would have small interaction at low energy (our large universe of matter and photons) which would/could account for dark matter/energy and the expansion of the universe.

Trying to keep the old/existing mathematical approach to expansion will not work with a Quantum Minimum Length Structure because it would mean that we would observe the fluctuations/variations of all the “energy waves” as they traveled from point A to point B.
In other words, we would observe fluctuations in the speed of light that could not be explained by relativity.
On the other hand, it would be child play for a math kid to arrange the double tetras in a geometric configuration which would be able to explain the bending of light around the sun.

A good razor is all that is needed to show that the expansion of the universe is achievable by adding more of the same minimum length units then what is being recycled.
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WARNING:
Everything that is being said is to be regarded as NEW speculation that replaces the old/established speculations. Until you hear the same thing from your favorite guru or better still, confirmation from CERN use a grain of salt.

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jal
I should have included these citations for big bang is dead.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.2222v1.pdf
Loop Quantum Gravity:
Four Recent Advances and a Dozen Frequently Asked Questions
Abhay Ashtekar
15 may 2007
p. 5 …. However the recent, much more complete and detailed analysis [2] has shown that the universe does recollapse in LQC and agreement with classical general relativity on amax is excellent. Even for universes which are so small that amax ≈ 30ℓPl, the classical Friedmann formula ρmin = 3/(8π Ga2max) holds to one part in 10−5 and the agreement improves greatly for ‘macroscopic’ universes, i.e., ones with macroscopic values of amax.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0612/0612104v2.pdf
Loop quantum cosmology of k=1 FRW models
Abhay Ashtekar, Tomasz Pawlowski, Parampreet Singh, and Kevin Vandersloot,
23 Jan 2007
p. 30 … results hold even for universes with amax ≈ 25ℓPl and the ‘sharply peaked’ property improves as amax grows.
Using the minimum scale … k = r = 1.3819765 ( see blog entry d = 2.763953198 Barbero-Immirzi parameter) and amax = 24ℓPl
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0703/0703144v1.pdf
Dynamical coherent states and physical solutions of quantum cosmological bounces
Martin Bojowald
29 march 2007
In this paper, a model, introduced in [1], is studied which is exactly solvable and includes characteristic effects of loop quantum gravity, one candidate for a background independent quantization [2, 3, 4]. The model itself is based on loop
quantum cosmology [5]. With new techniques [6, 7], coherent state properties can be determined explicitly. In this sense, the model is analogous to the harmonic oscillator in quantum mechanics and it has indeed the same solvability properties as explained in more detail below. This will allow us to perform a complete dynamical coherent state analysis, demonstrating how properties can differ considerably for distinct systems even when one considers only solvable models. The model we study is not only illuminating in this regard, but it also is of direct physical interest since it describes non-singular cosmological bounce models.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0312/0312059v3.pdf
On the quantum width of a black hole horizon
Donald Marolf
05 jan 2004
Some time ago, it was argued by Sorkin [13] that one should cut-off the entropy of the
thermal atmosphere at an even larger distance from the black hole horizon.
Quantum fluctuations within Lc of the classical horizon are then perhaps better described as fluctuations of the black hole itself, and may plausibly be assumed to already be included in the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy of the black hole. (Though of course the details of how or whether the full entropy is reflected in a spacetime description remains unclear.)
It is amusing to note that for Schwarzschild black holes in 3+1 dimensions Lc is only just below nuclear length scales for astrophysical black holes and begins to approach atomic length scales for the largest known supermassive black holes.
Note: Lc is the quantum minimum length …. 10^-18 (below nuclear length scales) …. 10^-16 H-dibaryon sphere (to approach atomic length scales)

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.0006v1.pdf
Multiple-event probability in general-relativistic quantum mechanics: a discrete model
Mauricio Mondragon, Alejandro Perez, Carlo Rovelli
April 30, 2007
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Black Holes are 2d surfaces and have inbound material. The big bang is 2d surface and has outbound material. At the surfaces there are no orthogonal EMF (p,q)
This is not a Toy Model. It’s the real thing.
Scaling and dimensional reduction works with QMLS to reproduce our perceived universe.

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Warning:
Ignore/disregard everything said by someone who has not demonstrated his credentials. He/she is probably only making lucky guesses without understanding anything that he/she is saying. Science can only be understood after many years of study under the wings of the right guru.
It is only permitted to answer his/her questions which demonstrate your superiority.
Immediately cease if that person has not demonstrated humility and has not recognized your superiority.
Lastly, be polite, that unknown person may be connected to someone who will have a positive or a negative impact on your next paycheck.


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jal
more citations
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.2533v1.pdf
DARK ENERGY AND GRAVITY
T. Padmanabhan
(Dated: May 17, 2007)
Based on the role expected to be played by surfaces in spacetime, we shall take the relevant degrees of freedom to be the normalised vector fields ni(x) in the spacetime [54] with a norm which is fixed at every event but might vary from event to event: (i.e., nini ≡ ǫ(x) with ǫ(x) being a fixed function; one can choose the norm to be 0,±1 at each event by our choice of the vector fields but its nature can vary from event to event.)
The area scaling for surviving degrees of freedom emerges naturally but it is unclear how to connect up the energy fluctuations in these degrees of freedom to the source of gravity.
The resulting theory is far more general than Einstein gravity since the thermodynamic interpretations should transcend classical considerations and incorporate some of the microscopic corrections.
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http://www.phys.huji.ac.il/~bekenste/Holographic_Univ.pdf
Theoretical results suggest that the universe could be like a gigantic hologram by Jacob D. Bekenstein
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0404/0404055v2.pdf
Ln(3) and Black Hole Entropy_
Olaf Dreyer
14 April 2004
Abstract
We review an idea that uses details of the quasinormal mode spectrum of a black hole to obtain the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy of A/4 in Loop Quantum Gravity. We further comment on a recent proposal concerning the quasinormal mode spectrum of rotating black holes. We conclude by remarking on a recent proposal to include supersymmetry.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0401/0401052v1.pdf
Highly Damped Quasinormal Modes of Kerr Black Holes:
A Complete Numerical Investigation
Emanuele Berti
Vitor Cardoso
Shijun Yoshida
(Dated: April 12, 2007)
Hod obtained, for the Schwarzschild BH, k = 3. Following his proposal, further enhanced by
the prospect of using similar reasoning in Loop Quantum Gravity to fix the Barbero-Immirzi parameter [6], the interest in highly damped BH QNMs has grown considerably [7]. There is now reason to believe that the connection between QN frequencies and the BH area quantum is not as straightforward as initially suggested.

For both charged and rotating black holes the asymptotic QNM frequency ωR depends only
on the black hole geometry, not on the perturbing field.
If QNMs do indeed play a role in black hole quantization this is an essential prerequisite, and it seems to hold.
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kaneda
QUOTE (jal+May 16 2007, 04:04 PM)
Black Holes are 2d surfaces and have inbound material. The big bang is 2d surface and has outbound material. At the surfaces there are no orthogonal EMF (p,q)
This is not a Toy Model. It’s the real thing.
Scaling and dimensional reduction works with QMLS to reproduce our perceived universe.


Black holes are three dimensional structures, with central spheres probably made of mostly quarks and electrons. Incoming matter adds to their mass so we get ever bigger black holes as we have seen.

There is no firm evidence that they lose mass by any means.
jal
I cannot do what these “math kids” are doing,
However, I THINK….NOW WE ARE STARTING TO KICK ***!
Things are moving.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.2629v1.pdf
DUAL COMPUTATIONS OF NON-ABELIAN YANG-MILLS ON THE LATTICE
J. WADE CHERRINGTON, J. DANIEL CHRISTENSEN, AND IGOR KHAVKINE
18 May 2007
By making topological excitations manifest, a dual model is well suited to evaluating proposed mechanisms of quark confinement, such as the dual superconductor picture.
Note: cubic packing and hex. packing for the plaquettes
Our claim of ergodicity does however depend on the unproven hypothesis that exceptional zeros of the 18j symbol are isolated, i.e. the zeros do not form surfaces that separate the space of admissible spin foams.
Note: Are these two concepts related? When turning a coin (plaquette), (2d) you go from the face (+), to the edge ( zero), to the back (-).
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You might find this explanation of the Standard Model as interesting as I did.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.2232v1.pdf
Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking as a Basis of Particle Mass
Chris Quigg
Theoretical Physics Department, Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
P.O. Box 500, Batavia, Illinois 60510 USA
And Theory Group, Physics Department, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland
17 April 2007

The aim of this article is to set the stage by reporting what we know and what we need to know, and to set some “Big Questions” that will guide our explorations.

The CP-PACS Collaboration (centered in Tsukuba, Japan) has made a
calculation omitting virtual quark-antiquark pairs that matches the observed lighthadron spectrum at the 10% level [11]. That discrepancy is larger than the statistical and systematic uncertainties, and so is interpreted as an artifact of the quenched (no dynamical fermions) approximation. New calculations that include virtual quarkantiquark pairs should show the full quantitative power of lattice QCD, and give us new insights into the successes and shortcomings of the simple quark model [12; 13].
Note: When using minimum scale (24 units on a 2d sphere) there exist a 10% extra area that needs to be explained.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-lat/pdf/0206/0206009v1.pdf
Light Hadron Spectrum and Quark Masses from Quenched Lattice QCD
S. Aoki, G. Boyd, R. Burkhalter, S. Ejiri, M. Fukugita, S. Hashimoto, Y. Iwasaki, K. Kanaya,
T. Kaneko, Y. Kuramashi, K. Nagai, M. Okawa, H. P. Shanahan, A. Ukawa, T. Yoshi´e
(June 13, 2002)
I don't have the training to determine if their 10% is related to the 10% that I get.
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If you go back into my thread you will find Chris Quigg and the dual simplex model.
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jal
I want to understand how the universe is made and how it works.
I reserve the right to change my mind on what I extrapolated from what I have learned if new information contradict what I have already learned.

There is a missing piece of the puzzle that everyone is trying to find.
I don’t care it they call it a brane, higgs, particle, dark matter, plaquettes, 5 force, white hole, etc.
At the end of the day, it’s going to fit into and be part of a structured spacetime.


http://www.astrobiology.cf.ac.uk/fredhoyle.html
Professor Sir Fred Hoyle [1915-2001]
Fred believed that, as a general rule, solutions to major unsolved problems had to be sought by exploring radical hypotheses, whilst at the same time not deviating from well-attested scientific tools and methods. For if such solutions did indeed lie in the realms of orthodox theory upon which everyone agreed, they would either have been discovered already, or they would be trivial.
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We should keep our feet on the ground.
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/stdystat.htm
Errors in the Steady State and Quasi-SS Models
http://www.aas.org/head/headnews/headnews.nov00.html
3. Robert Michael Hjellming 1938-2000
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If matter really vanishes inside black holes, as if they were bottomless pits, where has the matter gone? British Theorist Roger Penrose suggested some time ago that the missing matter may pop out elsewhere in the universe —or even in an entirely different universe.
Picking up where Penrose left off, Robert M. Hjellming says that the point at which the matter re-emerges in the other universe would be a white hole. Even more intriguing, this passage of matter would not be a one-way street. Matter would also leave the other universe through black holes, says Hjellming, and appear in ours through white holes. Thus the flow of matter between the two universes would be kept in balance.
But, he adds, some evidence may already be at hand that white holes do exist. One of the great puzzles of contemporary astrophysics is the huge amount of energy —cosmic rays, X rays, infrared radiation —that is apparently coming from distant quasars and from the centers of galaxies, including the earth's own Milky Way; the output seems to be greater than can be accounted for by known physical processes, including the conversion of matter into energy by thermonuclear explosions. If it could be shown that matter and energy were coming from another universe, Hjellming says, that problem would be neatly solved.

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From J. Baez
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Rela...s/universe.html
The big bang is therefore more like a white hole which is the time reversal of a black hole. According to classical general relativity white holes should not exist since they cannot be created for the same (time-reversed) reasons that black holes cannot be destroyed. This might not apply if they always existed.
The possibility that the big bang is actually a white hole remains.

….. we must ask if there is a white hole model for the universe which would be as consistent with observations as the FRW models.
A white hole model which fitted cosmological observation would have to be the time reversal of a star collapsing to form a black hole.
It follows that the time reversal of this model for a collapsing sphere of dust is indistinguishable from the FRW models if the dust sphere is larger than the observable universe. In other words, we cannot rule out the possibility that the universe is a very large white hole.
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With minimum length there should be quantum mini black holes then there should also be quantum mini white holes.
Where are the many mini white holes hiding that are still adding to the structural elements into our universe so that we observe expansion, acceleration and dark mater/energy?

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http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...gr-qc%2F9505012
Spectroscopy of the quantum black hole
Jacob D. Bekenstein, V. F. Mukhanov
10 May 1995 (Received April 13, 2006)
One prediction is that there should be no lines with wavelength of order the black hole size or larger. This makes it possible to test quantum gravity with black holes well above Planck scale.
Note: substitute “white” for “black”
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Different calculations are being done to find the missing piece of the puzzle but nobody has agreed on the name for the baby elephant.

Quantum physic and cosmology abound with unsupported theories.
Here is a sample of reasonable thoughts from a search of the web on White Holes
The idea of a white hole is the opposite of a black hole, and is entertained more in science fiction than in actual science journals. Some believe it is the "other side" of a black hole. It is theorized to spew matter and energy out. A flaw in this theory, as many scientists have noted, is that the matter ejected from the white hole would accumulate in the vicinity of the hole, and then collapse upon itself, forming a black hole.
The existence of white holes is implied by a negative square root solution to the Schwarzchild metric for space-time-matter continuum.

A white hole will turn up in your mathematics if you explore the space-time around a black hole without including the star which made the black hole (ie. there is absolutely no matter in the solution). Once you add any matter to the space-time, the part which included a white hole disappears.

A physicist that specializes in relativity will probably say that white holes are simply time-reversed black holes in which all geodesics must emerge but not enter. A geodesic, by the way, is the 4-dimensional world-line of a particle as it traces its path through space and time. For a black hole, all geodesics at the event horizon may enter but not leave, however, if you reversed the direction of time, the same black hole with 'positive time' becomes a white hole with 'negative time'
Would anything be emerging from the white hole in a constant stream? Not unless it entered the black hole end in the first place, or spontaneously was produced inside the Kerr worm hole by perhaps a quantum mechanical process of some kind.
In astrophysics, a white hole is a postulated celestial body that is the time reversal of a black hole. While a black hole acts as a point mass that attracts and absorbs any nearby matter, a white hole acts as a point mass that repels or (perhaps) even ejects matter.
The existence of white holes that are not part of a wormhole is doubtful, as they appear to violate the second law of thermodynamics.
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second law of thermodynamics.
Meaning #1: a law stating that mechanical work can be derived from a body only when that body interacts with another at a lower temperature; any spontaneous process results in an increase of entropy
The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy. In simple terms, it is an expression of the fact that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and density tend to even out in a physical system which is isolated from the outside world. Entropy is a measure of how far along this evening-out process has progressed.
The second law is only applicable to macroscopic systems. The second law is actually a statement about the probable behavior of an isolated system. As larger and larger systems are considered, the probability of the second law being practically true becomes more and more certain.
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If we are to do “new physics” at the quantum level then the “new physics” must also be reflected at the larger scales.
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Present avenues of research are not looking too promising.
http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=ap...ro-ph%2F0306134
STATUS AND PERSPECTIVES OF DIRECT DARK MATTER SEARCHES
G. CHARDIN
04 June 2006
Supersymmetric particles represent the best motivated candidates to fill the Dark Matter gap
Worse, although CDM appears essential to produce cosmic structures observed at our present epoch, agreement with observations is marginal without additional components, such as neutrinos.
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Doing a little bit of balancing on the shoulders of giants and adding the facts of missing neutrinos, minimum scale, dark matter/energy, acceleration, and all of the empty spacetime particles that exist between galaxies, If black holes are connected to a 2d universe that are continuously subtracting spacetime then there must exist white hole that are continuously adding spacetime to account for the expansion and the acceleration of the universe.
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I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO READING ABOUT A NEW COSMOLOGICAL MODEL THAT WILL AGREE WITH THE “NEW PHYSICS” OF MINIMUM LENGTH.
jal
The big bang model has never worked…. Observations have never supported the big bang model. We just thought that it did.
From present observation, it appears that galaxies are distributed as if on the surfaces of connected soap bubbles AND accelerating.

Based on what we know of Black Hole mechanics in our universe, is 'shrinking the universe down to a point' a valid lookback (time reversal) of a gravitational collapse?

The only valid lookback that can be done is to stops at where the soap bubbles are so small that what we would be looking at is a bag of dust.
Models of a bag of dust cannot be made that evolve/agree with the distribution of galaxies as if on the surfaces of connected soap bubbles.

From the point of view of the observer at the center of the bubble, the walls are receding and found to be accelerating, as more space units are being added to the space structure, between him and the walls. Different bubbles …. Different sizes …. Different observations …. Different conclusions.
This then begs the question.
Where are the space units coming from?
Are they coming from the center of the bubbles or the surface of the bubbles?
We have not noticed anything happening in the center of the bubbles.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question232.htm
How does gravity work?
Each particle of matter attracts every other particle with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
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The search for an answer is happening at all scales.
1. A NEW EXPANSION MECHANISM.
2. SPECIFIC TIME REQUIRED TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OLBERS’ PARADOX
3. ORIGIN MUST HAVE HIGH ENERGY
4. EXPLAIN THE ABUDANCE OF HYDROGEN, HELIUM
5. EXPLAIN NEUTRINOS
6. EXPLAIN DARK MATTER/ENERGY
7. NOT VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW OF TERMODYNAMICS
8. EXPLAIN THE QUANTUM MINIMUM LENGTH STRUCTURE
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Professor Sir Fred Hoyle [1915-2001] CAME THE CLOSEST WITH THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION. He would have been right if he would have known about QMLS.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeVeS
Tensor-Vector-Scalar gravity (TeVeS)

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/19/6/5/1
Gravity's dark side
Feature: June 2006
http://www.physics.mcmaster.ca/origins/dar.../Talks/Bean.pdf
Constraining modified gravity theories of dark energy
Origin of Dark energy mat 2007

The latest info on the distribution of stars etc.
http://cfcp.uchicago.edu/research/publications/index.html
KICP Publications
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PICK UP YOUR SHOVEL.
The big bang is dead.
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insert: (speculative conclusions)
Where are the many mini white holes hiding that are still adding to the structural elements into our universe so that we observe expansion, acceleration and dark mater/energy?
Isotopes certainly qualify as unstable configurations of a structure.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/nucl-th/papers/0511/0511051.pdf
On the Cosmic Nuclear Cycle and the Similarity of Nuclei and Stars
O. Manuel, Michael Mozina, Hilton Ratcliffe
(Submitted on 18 Nov 2005)
Repulsive interactions between neutrons in compact stellar cores cause luminosity and a steady outflow of hydrogen from stellar surfaces. Neutron repulsion in more massive compact objects made by gravitational collapse produces violent, energetic, cosmological events (quasars, gamma ray bursts, and active galactic centers) that had been attributed to black holes before neutron repulsion was recognized.
Rather than evolving in one direction by fusion, nuclear matter on the cosmological scale cycles between fusion, gravitational collapse, and dissociation (including neutron-emission). This cycle involves neither the production of matter in an initial “Big Bang” nor the disappearance of matter into black holes. The similarity Bohr noted between atomic and planetary structures extends to a similarity between nuclear and stellar structures.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0510/0510001.pdf
Isotopes Tell Sun’s Origin and Operation
O. Manuel1, Sumeet A. Kamat2, and Michael Mozina
To be published in Proceedings of the First Crisis in Cosmology Conference Monção, Portugal, 23-25 June 2005
(Submitted on 28 Sep 2005)
The Source Of Luminosity In An Iron-Rich Sun
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WOW!!!! wow!!! What a paper!!!!
Tell Martin Bojowald (and those that he cited), that I’m throwing a party and supplying the refreshments and photo ops. (They can get an expense account from their depts.).
Marcus, you can forget all the other papers …. This is the most influential paper … and it will be for years to come.
I want to tell all the “seekers” about this paper.
I want to tell the whole world!
Contrarily to Martin Bojowald, I can take a definite position and say that his paper presents a strong argument as to why the “inflaton” is not needed.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.4398v1.pdf
The Dark Side of a Patchwork Universe
Martin Bojowald
30 may 2007
A complete understanding of the universe currently faces several problems, most of which are occasionally expected to be solved by some version of quantum gravity. This also applies to the dark energy problem.
Schematically, one has a picture where space is presented as a discrete structure building up from a small state at the big bang to a highly refined, nearly continuous fabric today. The evolution picture is thus that of an irregular lattice structure which changes in internal time by elementary changes of geometry.

Note: just add one more unit every once in a while

From the point of view of quantum field theory on curved space-times one can effectively view the finiteness of vacuum energy in loop quantum gravity as a cut-off provided by the underlying discrete structure of loop quantum gravity. On the grounds of dimensional arguments one would expect that the cut-off occurs at Planckian values of energy or length, which would certainly result in the well known mismatch between the predicted and observed cosmological constants.

Note: I would like to see arguments why the cutoff cannot be at 10^18 (gluon interaction sizes/length)

It is to be expected that vacuum energy in this formalism does not only depend on the matter state but also on quantum geometry.

In fact, such a quantum geometry epoch of inflation typically does not last long enough to provide all 60 e-foldings required for successful structure formation.
Moreover, such an isotropic model with only inverse volume corrections is not
very accurate at large volume because it does not fully take into account the dynamical discreteness of space manifesting itself in lattice refinements determined by the elementary moves of a Hamiltonian constraint.
Rather, during expansion the discrete structure of space subdivides as described in Sec. 2 which can be modeled by adding new small, discrete patches resulting from new vertices of graphs. When the number of patches increases with volume, their size stays nearly constant or could even decrease.

francesca
I did not even look at the other papers that you mentioned. Martin Bojowald’s paper was just tooooo much!
jal
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I was waiting for comment from the more informed and critical members of this forum and I was also searching for clarifications and so as to improve my knowledge.
Since no one has posted any other comments …. here are my comments. (for a general audience)
Martin Bojowald in “The Dark Side of a Patchwork Universe” is also proposing that quantization could be an approach for solving the Casimir Effects, which is outside of the proton, neutron drip-line and proposes an intuitive understanding of the “quark sea” which is inside the drip-line.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0406/0406024v1.pdf
REVIEW ARTICLE
The Casimir effect: Recent controversies and Progress
Kimball A. Milton
02 june 2004
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p. 61 This promises to add another bit of understanding to our knowledge of Casimir forces, knowledge that seems to grow only incrementally based on specific calculations, since a general understanding is still not at hand.
p. 62
6. Dynamical Casimir Effects
Dynamically,
photons indeed should be produced by QED by a rapidly oscillating bubble, but to produce the requisite number (106 per flash) necessitated, if not superluminal velocities at least macroscopic collapse time scales of order 10−15 s, rather than the observed 10−11 s scale [80].
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The casmir effect has been observed down to 10nm. The similarity with the "quark sea" at 0.1 fm is only that... a similarity. The two are different.
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10 june
http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.3793v1
Precision measurement of the Casimir-Lifshitz force in a fluid
Authors: Jeremy N. Munday, Federico Capasso
(Submitted on 25 May 2007)


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This is the only game in town.
http://www.phys.psu.edu/~cteq/handbook/v1.1/handbook.pdf
Handbook of perturbative QCD
QUOTE
p. 25 The successes of QCD in describing the strong interactions are summarized by two terms: asymptotic freedom (Gross and Wilczek, 1973a; Politzer, 1973) and confinement. To understand the importance of these two attributes we should recall some facts about the strong interactions.
Hadron spectra are very well described by the quark model, but quarks have never been seen in isolation. Any effort to produce single quarks in scattering experiments leads only to the production of the familiar mesons and baryons. Evidently, the forces between quarks are strong. Paradoxically, however, certain high energy cross sections are quite successfully described by a model in which the quarks do not interact at all. This is the parton model that we shall describe in Section III..
Asymptotic freedom refers to the weakness of the short-distance interaction, while the confinement of quarks follows from its strength at long distances.
An extraordinary feature of QCD is its ability to accommodate both kinds of behavior. It does this by making the forces between quarks a rather complicated function of distance. Qualitatively, when two quarks are close together, the force is relatively weak (this is asymptotic freedom), but when they move farther apart the force becomes much stronger (confinement). At some distance, it becomes easier to make new quarks and antiquarks, which combine to form hadrons, than to keep pulling against the ever-increasing force. The realization that a single theory might describe such a complicated behavior is commonplace nowadays, but it required a major reorientation in our way of thinking about fundamental forces.

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Doing quantization (LQG) is much more intuitive that “dipping” into an unknown “quark sea” and picking out “particles” that make the parton model work.
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p. 25 The successes of QCD in describing the strong interactions are summarized by two terms: asymptotic freedom (Gross and Wilczek, 1973a; Politzer, 1973) and confinement. To understand the importance of these two attributes we should recall some facts about the strong interactions.
Hadron spectra are very well described by the quark model, but quarks have never been seen in isolation. Any effort to produce single quarks in scattering experiments leads only to the production of the familiar mesons and baryons. Evidently, the forces between quarks are strong. Paradoxically, however, certain high energy cross sections are quite successfully described by a model in which the quarks do not interact at all. This is the parton model that we shall describe in Section III..
Asymptotic freedom refers to the weakness of the short-distance interaction, while the confinement of quarks follows from its strength at long distances.
An extraordinary feature of QCD is its ability to accommodate both kinds of behavior. It does this by making the forces between quarks a rather complicated function of distance. Qualitatively, when two quarks are close together, the force is relatively weak (this is asymptotic freedom), but when they move farther apart the force becomes much stronger (confinement). At some distance, it becomes easier to make new quarks and antiquarks, which combine to form hadrons, than to keep pulling against the ever-increasing force. The realization that a single theory might describe such a complicated behavior is commonplace nowadays, but it required a major reorientation in our way of thinking about fundamental forces.

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Doing quantization (LQG) is much more intuitive that “dipping” into an unknown “quark sea” and picking out “particles” that make the parton model work.
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p.158 The parton distributions are determined with much more precision than before.
On the other hand, these analyses also are calling into question, for the first time, the ultimate consistency of the existing theoretical framework with all existing experimental measurements!
(This can be regarded as testimony to the progress made in both theory and experiment – considering the fact that contradictions come with precision, and they are a necessary condition for discovering overlooked shortcomings and/or harbingers of new physics.)

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http://cerncourier.com/main/article/44/5/13/1
… so lattices 2.5 fm across or larger are thought to be sufficient for calculations at present.
The development of higher order, "improved" discretizations of QCD has allowed calculations to be performed that give answers close to continuum QCD, with values for the lattice spacing of around 0.1 fm.
(Note: size of proton approx. 1.0 fm)
Two different values of the lattice spacing have been simulated to check discretization errors and two different volumes (2.5 and 3.5 fm across) to check finite volume errors.
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(Note: this is still within the nucleus/drip-line.)
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Confusion reigns in the only game in town.
The naming of the processes/action and the naming of the particles are all mixed up.
(Let me use a coin for an example. It could be representing a quark/gluon in the “quark sea”)

To me it would be like turning a coin, front (+), side (zero/quark sea/Z.P.E.), back (-) and then renaming those actions as well as renaming the front, side, back when all along you forgot that it’s a coin that you are turning over. Then, renaming all the ways (x,y,z) that the coin can be turned. (Even if you have 3 coins.) I don’t see how the transformation from an action to a particle or any transformation from a particle to an action can change the coins. How can re-naming of the position or re-naming the momentum change the coins?
What would you do if you had 12 coins? Call it a quark sea? )
Would one more coin (13) or 4 more (16) be the entry point into the parton model in the drip-line?
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase.../haddia.html#c1
hadron diagram
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I would bet that when CERN goes fishing in the “quark sea” that their anchor will reach bottom at 10^-18.
If I got it all wrong then I’ll take my place in a long line up of people who know more than me.

Maybe someone else has comment for the specialized audience?
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kaneda
jal. I have been assured that electrons are smaller than 10-^20 from experiments. I thought electrons and quarks about that size which means they could have been missed.


What happens if Physorg decide you're using this thread as a personal blogspot and just delete the lot of it?
jal
kaneda!
What happens if you are interested in learning about science....?
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WHAT’S IN THE NUCLEON?
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0306/0306287v1.pdf
QCD Phenomenology
Lectures at the CERN–Dubna School, Pylos, August 2002
Yu.L. Dokshitzer
Abstract
The status of QCD phenomena and open problems are reviewed
29 June 2003
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(Chiral Quark–Soliton Model (CQSM) )
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0608/0608197v1.pdf
Nuclear matter in the chiral quark soliton model with vector mesons
S.Nagai1, N.Sawado, and N.Shiiki1,
(Dated: March 22, 2007)
The idea of investigating dense nuclear matter in the topological soliton models has been developed over decades. It was first applied for the nuclear matter system with the skyrmion centered cubic (CC) crystal by Klebanov [1]. This configuration was studied further by
W¨ust, Brown and Jackson to estimate the baryon density and discuss the phase transition between nuclear matter and quark matter [2]. Goldhabor and Manton found a new configuration, body-centered cubic (BCC) of half-skyrmions in a higher density regime [3]. The face centered cubic (FCC) and BCC lattice were studied by Castillejo et al. [4] and the phase transitions between those configurations were investigated by Kugler and Shtrikman [5]. Recently, the idea of using crystallized skyrmions to study nuclear matter was revived by Park, Min, Rho and Vento with the introduction of the Atiyah-Manton multi-soliton ansatz in a unit cell [6].

The chiral quark soliton model (CQSM) can be interpreted as the soliton bag model including not only valence quarks but also the vacuum sea quark polarization effects explicitly [16, 17, 18, 19]. The model provides correct observables of a nucleon such as mass, electromagnetic value, spin carried by quarks, parton distributions and octet, decuplet SU(3) baryon spectra [20, 21].
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A good explanations of the quark sea with the use of instantons
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0205/0205054v1.pdf
INSTANTONS AND BARYON DYNAMICS
DMITRI DIAKONOV
06 may 2002
The average size of instantons found in ref. 11 is ¯_ ≈ 0.36 fm and their average separation is ¯R = (N/V )−1 4 ≈ 0.89 fm. Similar results have been obtained by other lattice groups using various techniques. A decade earlier the basic characteristics of the instanton ensemble were obtained analytically from the Feynman variational principle 12,13 and expressed through the only
dimensional parameter _ one has in QCD: ¯_ ≈ 0.48/_MS ≃ 0.35 fm, ¯R ≈ 1.35/_MS ≃ 0.95 fm, if one uses _MS = 280MeV as it follows from the DIS data.
Summing up instanton-induced quark interactions in baryons leads to the Chiral Quark–Soliton Model where baryons appear to be bound states of constituent quarks pulled together by the chiral field. The model enables one to compute numerous parton distributions, as well as ‘static’ characteristics of baryons – with no fitting parameters.

Numerous parton distributions have been computed in the CQSM, mainly by the Bochum group. 27,28,29 There have been a number of mysteries from naive quark models’ point of view: the large number of antiquarks already at a low virtuality, the ‘spin crisis’, the large flavor asymmetry of antiquarks, etc.
The CQSM explains all those ‘mysteries’ in a natural way as it incorporates, together with valence quarks bound by the isospin-1 pion field, the negativeenergy Dirac sea. Furthermore, the CQSM predicts nontrivial phenomena that have not been observed so far: large flavor asymmetry of the polarized antiquarks 29, transversity dictributions 30, peculiar shapes of the so-called skewed
parton distributions 31 and other phenomena in hard exclusive reactions. 32
Baryon dynamics is rich and far from naive “three quarks” expectations.
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What is the popularity of the Chiral Quark–Soliton Model (CQSM)?
Has the addition of the INSTANTONS to explain the “quark sea” been received as a positive step?
Has anyone been able to make the connection with the Chiral Quark–Soliton Model (CQSM) and spinfoam?

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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0706/0706.1534v1.pdf
Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale∗
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St. N, Waterloo, ON N2L 2Y5, Canada.
June 11, 2007
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If you got trouble understanding this paper then go look at my simple presentation in my blog and the spinning double tetra.
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Previous papers

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0606/0606074v2.pdf
A semiclassical tetrahedron
Carlo Rovelli and Simone Speziale_
CPT†, CNRS Case 907, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St.N, Waterloo, ON-N2L-2Y5, Canada
March 31, 2007

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0611/0611097v1.pdf
Grasping rules and semiclassical limit of the geometry
in the Ponzano–Regge model
Jonathan Hackett and Simone Speziale
17 Nov 2006
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kaneda
jal. I thought you had some interest in this forum. You don't. You have no interest in debating with anyone here but are just filling pages up with posts full of nonsense.
jal
Alain Connes is working on a new book
http://www.alainconnes.org/downloads.html
Noncommutative Geometry, Quantum Fields and Motives (with Matilde Marcolli) NEW BOOK! (warning: preliminary version still under revision) [PDF] 3.8 MB
It's long (639 page) and heavy reading (it's for the "math kids") but it does explain what the physic community is doing and how it can be linked with quantum geometry.
jal
SMALLEST BLACK HOLES
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0706/0706.3239v1.pdf
Black hole entropy, curved space and monsters
Stephen D. H. Hsu and David Reeb
21 June 2007
Almost all of the entropy of a given black hole must result from a smaller black hole which has absorbed some additional mass.

It is also worth noting that a single s-wave mode with energy m = 1/R = 1/M has entropy O(1), so satisfies S = Mm. Thus, a black hole can move along the S = A curve by absorbing such modes. This is arguably the smallest amount of energy that can be absorbed by the hole, since otherwise the Compton wavelength of the mode is much larger than the horizon itself.
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What is he saying?
How would the Compton wavelength fit in with the ultraviolet and an infrared cutoff, if the cut off is as a result of the minimum length and the resulting structure?
The smallest black hole has got to be bigger than the smallest wavelength that can exist.

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We seem to have some possible length scales from
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0205/0205054v1.pdf
INSTANTONS AND BARYON DYNAMICS
DMITRI DIAKONOV
06 may 2002
The average size of instantons found in ref. 11 is ¯_ ≈ 0.36 fm and their average separation is ¯R = (N/V )−1 4 ≈ 0.89 fm. Similar results have been obtained by other lattice groups using various techniques. A decade earlier the basic characteristics of the instanton ensemble were obtained analytically from the Feynman variational principle 12,13 and expressed through the only dimensional parameter _ one has in QCD: ¯_ ≈ 0.48/_MS ≃ 0.35 fm, ¯R ≈ 1.35/_MS ≃ 0.95 fm, if one uses _MS = 280MeV as it follows from the DIS data.
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We seem to be having some possible structures from
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0608/0608197v1.pdf
Nuclear matter in the chiral quark soliton model with vector mesons
S.Nagai1, N.Sawado, and N.Shiiki1,
(Dated: March 22, 2007)
The idea of investigating dense nuclear matter in the topological soliton models has been developed over decades. It was first applied for the nuclear matter system with the skyrmion centered cubic (CC) crystal by Klebanov [1]. This configuration was studied further by W¨ust, Brown and Jackson to estimate the baryon density and discuss the phase transition between nuclear matter and quark matter [2]. Goldhabor and Manton found a new configuration, body-centered cubic (BCC) of half-skyrmions in a higher density regime [3]. The face centered cubic (FCC) and BCC lattice were studied by Castillejo et al. [4] and the phase transitions between those configurations were investigated by Kugler and Shtrikman [5]. Recently, the idea of using crystallized skyrmions to study nuclear matter was revived by Park, Min, Rho and Vento with the introduction of the Atiyah-Manton multi-soliton ansatz in a unit cell [6].

The chiral quark soliton model (CQSM) can be interpreted as the soliton bag model including not only valence quarks but also the vacuum sea quark polarization effects explicitly [16, 17, 18, 19]. The model provides correct observables of a nucleon such as mass, electromagnetic value, spin carried by quarks, parton distributions and octet, decuplet SU(3) baryon spectra [20, 21].
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Also, Simone Speziale is proposing a 3d double tetra as a spinfoam structure
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...706.1534v1.pdf
Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale
June 11, 2007
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I have already figured out (my blog) the smallest black hole would consist of 6 instantons and each would be limited to moving to 3 position. The smallest black hole would consist of 24 units. (S=A/4). Also, the smallest black hole can only grow by absorbing even numbers of quantas of energy. Odd numbers and fractions are not permitted.
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From the above information I would be tempted to say that we could observe mini black holes at CERN.

What is going on? Is the logic faulty? Is spinfoam doomed?
Jal
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It’s interesting that if we were to use .36 fm, (the average size of instantons found in ref. 11 is ¯_ ≈ 0.36 fm and their average separation is ¯R = (N/V )−1 4 ≈ 0.89 fm., and the BI parameter 2.763953198, http://www.physicsforums.com/blogs/jal-580...lack-holes-945/ ,
we would get 2.763953198 * .36 = 1.0 fm which is the size of proton.

Would this mean that the smallest possible black hole would be the size of a proton?
This would make sense with the statements by Stephen D. H. Hsu and David Reeb
Jal
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Marcus?
Iwas looking over some of the other papers that you have been supplying for our attention.
http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3688
Why the Standard Model
Authors: Ali H. Chamseddine, Alain Connes
(Submitted on 25 Jun 2007)
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http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3690
A Dress for SM the Beggar
Authors: Ali H. Chamseddine, Alain Connes
(Submitted on 25 Jun 2007 (v1), last revised 26 Jun 2007
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The question that comes to my mind.....
Would not the most influential paper be the one that can supply the most usefull math approach?
Since you are a retired mathematician, I assume you would be able to evaluate the importance of those 2 papers better than most.
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My understanding is that the above two papers are a condensed version of ftp://ftp.alainconnes.org/bookjune4.pdf
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JAL
jal
There might be some information in this paper that might help with what you are doing. (Double Slit Experiment)
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacpubs...-pub-12632.html
SLAC-PUB-12632
Novel QCD Phenomena
Stanley J. Brodsky∗†
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University, Stanford, CA, 94309
june 2007
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insert:
http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/Papers/Confinement%20Paper.pdf
Yang-Mills magnetic sources as the foundation of baryons,
mesons, and QCD confinement
Jay R. Yablon
Volume integration over P, and application of Gauss’ law to the surface of the integration volume, demonstrates that there can never be a net flux of gluons or individual quarks across the boundary, but that quark / antiquark pairs do cross the boundary in the form of short-range mesons. This may provide an exact analytical solution of confinement and to the so-called Yang-Mills “mass gap” problem.
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Wanting to understand "waves" is still a priority.
The experiments have moved down to the level of QCD.
With the level of education of the participants of this thread, the learning curve will be easier than for most people.
QUOTE
I will try to stick to optical bench tops and little mirrors and crystals and experimental results where "I think" I understand what is happening.  It is best for me to keep a handle on experiment and not to stretch some imaginary link beyond the level where it presently can be understood.

Get out of the "time warp". The new experiments can be understood by those who learn the language being used in the new experiments.
Just remember that everything that we can detect is within the "drip line".
We have no way of verifying what is happening between the emmitted and the absorber because when we insert a probe inbetween it then becomes an absorber.
This applies to macro and micro distances.
QCD uses a "bag model" however, we do not know What is in the "bag". Is it the whole nucleon ..... a proton .... a neutron .... quarks .... gluons ....????
Do they affect each other like many bags in proximity? How do they interact?
Are waves real?
This is the frontier of science. This is the frontier of our knowledge.

info on “drip line”
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0312/0312003v3.pdf
Standard Model Masses and Models of Nuclei
Alejandro Rivero
10 May 2004

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QUOTE (->
QUOTE
I will try to stick to optical bench tops and little mirrors and crystals and experimental results where "I think" I understand what is happening.  It is best for me to keep a handle on experiment and not to stretch some imaginary link beyond the level where it presently can be understood.

Get out of the "time warp". The new experiments can be understood by those who learn the language being used in the new experiments.
Just remember that everything that we can detect is within the "drip line".
We have no way of verifying what is happening between the emmitted and the absorber because when we insert a probe inbetween it then becomes an absorber.
This applies to macro and micro distances.
QCD uses a "bag model" however, we do not know What is in the "bag". Is it the whole nucleon ..... a proton .... a neutron .... quarks .... gluons ....????
Do they affect each other like many bags in proximity? How do they interact?
Are waves real?
This is the frontier of science. This is the frontier of our knowledge.

info on “drip line”
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0312/0312003v3.pdf
Standard Model Masses and Models of Nuclei
Alejandro Rivero
10 May 2004

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This thread is about the Double Slit Experiment not QCD. I am sure you will find a thread that relates to QCD. What relates to the DSE is QED... Quantum Electrodynamics not QCD... Quantum Chromodynamics does not apply in this "realm".

It seems to me that this is a premature conclusion.
QUOTE
Horses for courses Jal... But first shoe your horse.

I've shown you the water ..... have a drink whenever you are ready.
jal
jal
EXPERIMENTAL LIMITS ON THE SIZES OF FUNDAMENTAL PARTICLES
10−18cm that is what I have been using.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0611/0611005v1.pdf
QCD, New Physics and Experiment
Giuseppe Nardulli
01 Nov 2006
Abstract. I give a summary of Section E of the seventh edition of the Conference Quark confinement
and the hadron spectrum. Papers were presented on different subjects, from spectroscopy,
including pentaquarks and hadron structure, to the quest for physics beyond the standard model

For EM interactions one gets limit on the mass of a heavy electron: m∗ = 308±56 GeV and for the finite size of the electron a limit of = 1253.2±226 GeV, corresponding to a
size r ≈ 16×10−18cm . For EW interaction the most stringent limits for the quarks are
rq < 2.2×10−18cm, for the leptons rl < 0.9×10−18 cm, and the form factor puts a limit
on the electron size of re < 28×10−18cm.
Finally a scheme to describe all fundamental particles as extended objects of a finite geometrical size was presented by , J¨urgen Ulbricht.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0111/0111302v3.pdf
Putting non Point-like Behavior of Fundamental Particles to Test
Irina Dymnikova∗, Alexander Sakharov†, J¨urgen Ulbricht† and
Jiawei Zhao
24 March 2003
Abstract.
We review the experimental limits on those hypothetical interactions where the
fundamental particles could exhibit non point-like behavior. In particular we have
focused on the QED reaction measuring the differential cross sections for the process
e+e− → () at energies around 91 GeV and 209 GeV with data collected from the L3
detector from 1991 to 2001. With a global fit L3 set lower limits at 95% CL on a contact
interaction energy scale parameter _ > 1.6 TeV, which restricts the characteristic QED
size of the interaction region to Re < 1.2 ?10−17 cm. All the interaction regions are
found to be smaller than the Compton wavelength of the fundamental particles.
This
constraint we use to estimate a lower limit on the internal density of particle-like
structure with the de Sitter vacuum core. Some applications of obtained limits to the
string and quantum gravity scales are also discussed.

Self-gravitating particle-like structure with de Sitter core is generic. It is obtained
from the Einstein equations with the boundary conditions of the de Sitter vacuum
at r = 0 and Minkowski vacuum at the infinity.
For the case of maximum possible scale for ρvac at which a particle could get its mass, it gives model independent constraints on sizes of vacuum cores for leptons which are re > 4.9 x10−26 cm, rμ > 8.3×10−27 cm, r_ > 3.3×10−27 cm.
Note: Which of course would be impossible to happen since it is smaller than the radius of the Compton wavelength. (QED). Therefore, there is a transition to QCD that need to be discovered. The Smallest possible black hole-1.0 fm (proton) must be able to take QCD into consideration. The smallest black hole has got to be bigger than the smallest wavelength that can exist.
How do we determine the smallest wavelength from quarks, gluons (QCD)?

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There are proposals to experimentally verify the quantum minimum length scale.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-lat/pdf/0610/0610027v1.pdf
A STRATEGY TO STUDY CONFINEMENT IN QCD
Adriano DI GIACOMO
03 Oct 2006
We have argued that the only natural explanation of experimental data on confinement is that confinement is related to a symmetry, and therefore that the deconfining phase transition is an order disorder transition, and not a crossover.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0612/0612146v3.pdf
Diquark and light four-quark states
Ailin Zhang1, Tao Huang2 and Tom G. Steele
12 July 2007
Four-quark states with different internal clusters are discussed within the constituent quark model.
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http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacpubs...-pub-12632.html
SLAC-PUB-12632
Novel QCD Phenomena
Stanley J. Brodsky∗†
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University, Stanford, CA, 94309
june 2007
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0312/0312003v3.pdf
Standard Model Masses and Models of Nuclei
Alejandro Rivero
10 May 2004
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This is the frontier of science. This is the frontier of our knowledge.
jal
WHAT IS THE SIZE OF A PHOTON?
If you believe in extra dimensions then the size would be limited by the size of the extra dimension.
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2007/tables/sxxx.pdf
p.5
Constraints on the radius of extra dimensions for the case of two flat dimensions of equal radius
r < 90-660 nm (astrophysics; limits depend on technique and assumptions)
r < 0:22 mm, CL = 95% (direct tests of Newton's law; cited in Extra Dimensions
review)
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Therefore, a maximum size of a photon would be either .22mm or 660nm. If you want to assume a way of making a bigger photon squeeze into a small hole (dimension) then you do not have any constraints on the size of a photon.
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As far as I can figure out, everyone assumes that an emitter of a photon cannot emit a photon bigger than what it is. Also, an absorber of a photon has got to be bigger than the photon. So, from
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2007/tables/bxxx.pdf
PROTON
Charge radius = 0.875 ± 0.007 fm
NEUTRON
Mean-square charge radius R^2n_ = 0.1161 ± 0.0022 fm2 (S = 1.3)
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Therefore, we have another kind of constraint on the size of a photon. The size of a proton/neutron.

How small can a photon get? If quarks are proven to emit photons then this would be determined by the sizes of quarks.
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-ph/pdf/0611/0611005v1.pdf
QCD, New Physics and Experiment
Giuseppe Nardulli
01 Nov 2006
Abstract. I give a summary of Section E of the seventh edition of the Conference Quark confinement and the hadron spectrum. Papers were presented on different subjects, from spectroscopy, including pentaquarks and hadron structure, to the quest for physics beyond the standard model

For EM interactions one gets limit on the mass of a heavy electron: m∗ = 308±56 GeV and = 1253.2±226 GeV, correspondingfor the finite size of the electron a limit of to a size r ≈ 16×10−18cm . For EW interaction the most stringent limits for the quarks are rq < 2.2×10−18cm, for the leptons rl < 0.9×10−18 cm, and the form factor puts a limit on the electron size of re < 28×10−18cm. Finally a scheme to describe all fundamental particles as extended objects of a finite geometrical size was presented by , J¨urgen Ulbricht.
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QUARKS
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2007/reviews/quarks_q000.pdf

See my blog for more references.
yquantum
jal,

OK, but it appears this post will take some of my lunch time.

ciao_
yquantum
jal
WHY? – UNCERTAINTY – SPIN - CONFINEMENT
There are thousands of good teachers who can teach you Quantum Mechanics and how to do the calculation.
Michael Fowler’s home page
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/~mf1i/home.html
His classes fall 2006
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/751.mf1i.fall02/


Here is my simple explanation on WHY.

We start with the First Principle, Minimum Length, and the resulting structure.
User posted image


An energy node can only be at position #1 or position #3. That translate to 50% uncertainty. Position # 1 and # 4 are too close and violate the minimum length.
If it helps you, think of position #1 as real or positive and position #3 as imaginary or negative.
You might argue that there could be an energy node at position #1 and also at position #3. Correct! It could! But each of them would have a different center of spin/orbit. If both of them had the same center of spin/orbit then you would need to identify them as if they had different spin/orbit since that would be the only way to tell them apart. They both would behave as if they had different center of spin/orbit.
User posted image

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In 2d we have a square, 4 sides. However, at the quantum level we have six possible positions as show with 2d packing. That would be 6j. It is still 50% uncertainty.
User posted image


In 3d we have a cube, 6j. However, at the quantum level we can have 2 cubes imbedded and we end up with 12j, which is 3d packing. You still have 50% uncertainty.
User posted image

Therefore, from first principle of minimum length and the resulting structure we see that the location of the energy nodes give us quantum uncertainty, spin and confinement. Confinement is simply keeping the hex. or cubic packing formation.
That is why you can use the double cube or double tetra to do calculations.
User posted image
If the images don't show up come back when the traffic is lighter.
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yquantum
Don't drink too much wine with your lunch. biggrin.gif


jal
The picture of the electron makes it obvious that there is a structure to the electrons.
http://www.physorg.com/news104156028.html
It's also obvious that the electons are doing something so that they can be seen because that is not a picture at 10^-18 as indicated at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_mag...de_%28length%29


http://www.4engr.com/research/catalog/209/index.html
Focus of research of Ashoori group
http://www.4engr.com/research/catalog/209/index.html

This experiment is technically demanding; large bandwidth signals (from around 1 kHz to 1 Ghz)
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This would indicate that the electron has got to be big enough to absorb/reflect that bandwidth
.... it has to do with our understanding of what electrons and photons can or cannot do.
Is the electron size 10^-18 or more?
Is the pattern that was created a confirmation that there is a simple symmetrical structure at 10^-18 that is reflected in the position/structure of the electrons as shown by the Ashoori group?
jal
http://www.fen.bilkent.edu.tr/~yalabik/applets/collapse.html
Remember that the electron itself is a very small particle, less in size than the size of a point (a pixel) in the figure. However, the "wavefunction" associated with the particle typically may extend over a scale of tens of nanometers. At any time, the square magnitude of the wavefunction plotted in the figure would be proportional to the probability of detecting the particle at that point, if the whole plane was covered with electron detectors which would be activated at that instant in time. Only one of those detectors would then "click", with the corresponding probability. The wavefunction will then instantly lose its meaning and is said to "collapse".
How the electron itself moves (whether it passes through one of the slits or both - or how the wavefunction is related to the actual electron) is a question that is not well defined in quantum mechanics - some would say that it is not a valid question.
In the following presentation
http://electron.mit.edu/scanning/
the Ashoori group is claiming to have a picture of the ACTUAL energy density. (NOT the "wavefunction" associated with the particle).
Something does not add up. We should not be able to “see” the energy density of something as small as 10^-18.
yquantum
jal,

From what I have read you have been busy. ohmy.gif

I wish I could summarize all that you have said, you have made many post.

Read this and tell me because only you would know what you mean if this agrees with your hypothesis.

You will be able to read the different epoch/fix point/orgin -- and how they believe our cosmos began.

http://www.physics.utah.edu/~cassiday/p1080/lec04.html

Let me know I will check back.

caio_
yquantum
jal
Hi yquantum
That is a good link that puts much of the OLD and presently taught ideas of how the universe began.
However, science marches on. People have always found problem with that scenario/theory and have been working on trying to resolve those problems.
The e-folding being one of the big one. When doing a "lookback" the model crashes.
I have given a lot of links/papers of the work being done in cosmology.
Here is another, http://www.gravity.psu.edu/igc/conf_files/prelim_agenda.html.
If there were no problems with the present model, ask yourself why a university (Penstate) would open an Institute for Gravitation and the Cosmos.
For the latest news Download the IGC Inaugural Conference Program.
Download the detailed parallel sessions program.
After THURSDAY, AUGUST 9, 2007 go back and see if the talks are on line.

The present thinking (if you are not aware of it) is that there was a "bounce", "a reheating" and the singularity is not needed and it appear that the inflaton will not be needed for the expansion. (The bounce occures at 24 units which aggrees with my number.)
jal


jal
I shall do my summary.
I am, I hope, referred to, with respect, as the "Flat earth". dry.gif
You can get the idea from
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5203
The only thing flat is the quantized membranes or anything else that you want to called them. I called the individual energy concentration "spot" and even the minimum required units the by same name, for simplicity.
As a result, you can have 4 locations in a "spot" OR IN 2D, 6 locations in a "spot" of a possible 24 locations OR IN 3D, 12 locations out of a possibility of 48 locations. All of this is because of a FIRST PRINCIPLE.
QUANTUM MINIMUM LENGTH.
In the language of LQG (triads) you end up with a double tetra in 3d.
All the citations are in my thread.
The "math kids" are proving every step and eventually will end up with a model with which dynamics can be studied.
jal
jal
CITATION SUMMARY

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0705/0705.2629v1.pdf
DUAL COMPUTATIONS OF NON-ABELIAN YANG-MILLS ON THE LATTICE
J. WADE CHERRINGTON, J. DANIEL CHRISTENSEN, AND IGOR KHAVKINE
18 May 2007
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0012/0012035v1.pdf
Discrete structures in gravity
Tullio Regge and Ruth M. Williams
May 18, 2006
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http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/sp/Speziale/3
arXiv:0705.0674 (May 2007)
A new spinfoam vertex for quantum gravity
Etera R. Livine and Simone Speziale
Received. 04 May 2007 Last updated. 04 May 2007

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http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/sp/Speziale/2
Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale
Received. 11 June 2007 Last updated. 11 June 2007
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http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/sp/Speziale/1
Linearized dynamics from the 4-simplex Regge action
Bianca Dittrich, Laurent Freidel and Simone Speziale
Received. 31 July 2007 Last updated. 31 July 2007
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0606/0606074v2.pdf
A semiclassical tetrahedron
Carlo Rovelli and Simone Speziale_
CPT†, CNRS Case 907, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St.N, Waterloo, ON-N2L-2Y5, Canada
Received. 16 June 2006 Last updated. 27 August 2006
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http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Jorge...n/0/1/0/all/0/1
Showing results 1 through 25 (of 132 total) for all:(Jorge AND Pullin)
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0703/0703135v3.pdf
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http://uk.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/9403/9403008.pdf
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