http://www.physorg.com/news94906931.html
another brain dead reserchers study,
they did not gain back, the weigth or even more ebcouse of the diet, its becouse they stopt
there dieting,
what this reserchers and most dieters fail to understand is that
diet is nothing somthing u do for 6 weeks, to loose 10 pounds then u start oevr uur all habits, and regain evrhting back ofcourse,
diet is life stiel choice of factors that if u change weigth loss will pe permanent and for life
*** is the case with about 5 procent of the dieters who never regain there weight
why/???
becouse they understand this, and they neevr stop there healthy diet
Spelling correctly and grammar are also a lifestyle choice. Who would of thunk it?
Hey, Morpheus, before you call somebody brain dead, learn to type, or speak bloody English.
What a waste of time. When will people ever learn?
It does not matter whether you are genetically predisposed to rapidly gain weight or not. Energy input (amount of food) versus energy output (exercise, physical work) is the key equation. Stop the self-wanking of fragile egos and weak-mindedness.
Have you seen a fat prisoner/prisoner of war in some countries? No? They are worked to near death with minimal food. No wonder the ribs are showing..:-)
Any human who do flat out excercise/ physcal work is guaranteed NOT TO GAIN WEIGHT EVER. IF THEY HAD IT, SOON IT WILL BE HISTORY.
CLEAR AS MUD?
It does not matter whether you are genetically predisposed to rapidly gain weight or not. Energy input (amount of food) versus energy output (exercise, physical work) is the key equation. Stop the self-wanking of fragile egos and weak-mindedness.
Have you seen a fat prisoner/prisoner of war in some countries? No? They are worked to near death with minimal food. No wonder the ribs are showing..:-)
Any human who do flat out excercise/ physcal work is guaranteed NOT TO GAIN WEIGHT EVER. IF THEY HAD IT, SOON IT WILL BE HISTORY.
CLEAR AS MUD?
@ vlam and Morpheus:
Studies like this can't predict what is going to happen for you or for any given person. What actually happens in any single case is basically deterministic. (That said, with the numbers so stacked against dieters, it seems likely it's not just about willpower, as you suggest.) What they do tell us is the probability of any person having success with a weight loss program, and they tell us that this probability isn't great. This function of this study is to suggest that better solutions might be found to solve the public health crisis of obesity, not necessarily the disease in any single person.
Studies like this can't predict what is going to happen for you or for any given person. What actually happens in any single case is basically deterministic. (That said, with the numbers so stacked against dieters, it seems likely it's not just about willpower, as you suggest.) What they do tell us is the probability of any person having success with a weight loss program, and they tell us that this probability isn't great. This function of this study is to suggest that better solutions might be found to solve the public health crisis of obesity, not necessarily the disease in any single person.
I'd love to see a study that would show the amount of muscle mass lost during different diets. If I am stable at and weigh 200 lbs, diet and lose 50 and only 1 of that muscle mass, if I don't eat differently or exercise differently; don't you think that I would ultimately put on more weight just because of the increased fat to muscle mass ratio (i.e. decreased matabolism)?
I would think that losing or gaining muscle is much more important than losing the weight in general.
That said, I'm not a doctor (or even play one on TV).
What am I missing here?
I would think that losing or gaining muscle is much more important than losing the weight in general.
That said, I'm not a doctor (or even play one on TV).
What am I missing here?
A healthy eating pattern should not be called "a diet". When people think of a diet they think of a quick band-aid-type fix. Of course such fixes do not work. Duh.
Crazy eating patterns like Atkins and so on are unhealthy. The most healthiest eating pattern is also the most obvious (and that's why it will never sell as much as some crazy nonsense like Atkins). What is obvious? Eat everything in moderation. You can eat bread, meat (if not vegetarian for moral/religious reasons), pasta, potatoes, avocados, tomatoes, fruits and on and on... Basically everything is good except processed food and excess sugar. For example a soft drink that has 5 kilograms of corn syrup is not good (but is OK as an occasional treat). Commercial burgers are bad because they are made from questionable materials. Just use basic common sense.
You can eat everything in moderation. If you become conscious of what you eat and stop eating when the hunger feeling vanishes (rather than eating until you get that tense stomach feeling), you'll be golden. And then you realize that it will become the way you live your life forever. No binging, no endless stream of cookies and ice cream, etc. It's a life style choice.
The problem our society is obsessed with quick fixes is laziness and greed. People are lazy and want quick result for minimum effort. No one wants to work on their own mind, because almost everyone is a materialist and believe mind is just a consequences of matter (which is a false belief). As a result of that belief, there is no effort spent in working with the mind and all effort goes into finding the right materialistic solution, such as the right dieting pill or the right kind of colon bypass surgery. Combine materialist mindset (which is a disease in its own right, perpetuated mostly by those self-same materialistic scientists who release this "duh" study) with greed and laziness and you have the obese USA of today.
What people need to do is learn how to think and then learn how to think for themselves and not rely on experts and university studies so much. Then they'd never fall for the materialistic "quick-fix" fad in the first place.
Crazy eating patterns like Atkins and so on are unhealthy. The most healthiest eating pattern is also the most obvious (and that's why it will never sell as much as some crazy nonsense like Atkins). What is obvious? Eat everything in moderation. You can eat bread, meat (if not vegetarian for moral/religious reasons), pasta, potatoes, avocados, tomatoes, fruits and on and on... Basically everything is good except processed food and excess sugar. For example a soft drink that has 5 kilograms of corn syrup is not good (but is OK as an occasional treat). Commercial burgers are bad because they are made from questionable materials. Just use basic common sense.
You can eat everything in moderation. If you become conscious of what you eat and stop eating when the hunger feeling vanishes (rather than eating until you get that tense stomach feeling), you'll be golden. And then you realize that it will become the way you live your life forever. No binging, no endless stream of cookies and ice cream, etc. It's a life style choice.
The problem our society is obsessed with quick fixes is laziness and greed. People are lazy and want quick result for minimum effort. No one wants to work on their own mind, because almost everyone is a materialist and believe mind is just a consequences of matter (which is a false belief). As a result of that belief, there is no effort spent in working with the mind and all effort goes into finding the right materialistic solution, such as the right dieting pill or the right kind of colon bypass surgery. Combine materialist mindset (which is a disease in its own right, perpetuated mostly by those self-same materialistic scientists who release this "duh" study) with greed and laziness and you have the obese USA of today.
What people need to do is learn how to think and then learn how to think for themselves and not rely on experts and university studies so much. Then they'd never fall for the materialistic "quick-fix" fad in the first place.
well in the last 3 years i stoped physically working and now computer work...25lbs worth!
Some people say to weigh yourself once a week, but I disagree. It is better to weigh yourself every day. It helps you to stay focused and react faster to mistakes. I have been tracking my weight in a spreadsheet and I weigh slightly less than I did 3 or 4 years ago.
Exercise is good, but it is possible to build up a tolerance to exercise. I've been exercising for 30 years and I gained 50 pounds. At one point, I was up 70 pounds. There is a limit to how much exercise the body can handle, so you can't just add miles.
I think that food additives such as MSG and Nutrasweet are factors. Modern food may be somewhat addictive.
Exercise is good, but it is possible to build up a tolerance to exercise. I've been exercising for 30 years and I gained 50 pounds. At one point, I was up 70 pounds. There is a limit to how much exercise the body can handle, so you can't just add miles.
I think that food additives such as MSG and Nutrasweet are factors. Modern food may be somewhat addictive.
I think this study is outrageous. Every time you see a big study like this, you should look for a big drug company funding it (or paying off government officials with campaign contributions, free trips, etc.), because they are just about to come out with a new FDA-approved diet pill! Furthermore, they need Medicare to pay for the pills because people aren't going to shell out their own money when they see the cost. So the only way the company will make a profit is when the cost can be spread to the entire population and folks thing they are getting it for free!
One should NOT conclude from this study it will be detrimental to cut back on your carbohydrate intake for better health, to combat diabetes onset, and to lose weight!
One should NOT conclude from this study it will be detrimental to cut back on your carbohydrate intake for better health, to combat diabetes onset, and to lose weight!
Hey CDoug, it was bad enough reading the post by Morpheus. What's worse is you correcting him with MORE bad grammar."
"Who would of thunk it?" Really.
How about, "Who would've thought it?" or "Who would have thought it?"
If you're going to correct others, try using Spellcheck first.
"Who would of thunk it?" Really.
How about, "Who would've thought it?" or "Who would have thought it?"
If you're going to correct others, try using Spellcheck first.
Just a sketch of what the relevant equation of energy input(food)/energy out put (activity) will do on a personal level.
When I was in my 20s, I was actively participating in martial arts training. I can do a standing jump clear over a garbage bin 1.15m high x 0.6m wide without even trying. I amused my friends with jump offs from the edge of my house tile roof (approx. 3.5m, in Australia) onto concrete driveway, front lawn, it didn't matter. Punching brick walls, one hand push-ups, thumbs and index fingers push-ups, holding my body horizontal with hands grasping a steel pole, I did the lot with ease . My blood pressures were 115/80, resting heart rate when just wake up was 50 beats per minute, weight 56kg for a height of 1.69m. I could hold my breaths for 3 minutes (staying stationary, as a challenge/ competition with my friends) under water in a swimming pool, or swam the whole 50m length on one breath.
In the beginning of my 30s, due to work pressures and failed relationships, I took on smoking (strange at this age, but true!) and drinking strong Whiskey-equivalent alcohols of all sort both of Asian and Western origins. (the only thing I manged to avoid was hard drugs, thanks God). I became a Refrigerator Raider before I knew it, due to depression. I looked like a pig, ate like a pig, and generally felt like a pig, always thinking of the next edible stuffs to satisfy the feelings of physically-adapted body and emotional hunger. My weight shot to 75kg, blood pressure 145/97, resting heart rate 85, a protruding spare tire around the waist, feeling of constant odd aches and tiredness become a fact of life. Libido was also shot to hell. I went one way, the pecker went another! All the previous activities? Skip that! Simply, I couldn't do it even if my life depended on it! I was ready for six feet under soon if I continued this way!
Now, in my late 30s, I am back to the basics. Getting back to where I was before. My current weigh is 66kg and dropping, blood pressure 128/90,heart rate 78bpm. I can sleep longer and more restful, the aches diminished, and generally feel a more get-up-and go attitude.
So, my conclusion is: It's your mouth, it's your body, it's your mind. Nobody is forcing you to overload it. Nobody to blame for or to account to. It's your choice, a hard one for many, I admit. but ultimately, it's your call in how much effort YOU want to make your life better and longer.
When I was in my 20s, I was actively participating in martial arts training. I can do a standing jump clear over a garbage bin 1.15m high x 0.6m wide without even trying. I amused my friends with jump offs from the edge of my house tile roof (approx. 3.5m, in Australia) onto concrete driveway, front lawn, it didn't matter. Punching brick walls, one hand push-ups, thumbs and index fingers push-ups, holding my body horizontal with hands grasping a steel pole, I did the lot with ease . My blood pressures were 115/80, resting heart rate when just wake up was 50 beats per minute, weight 56kg for a height of 1.69m. I could hold my breaths for 3 minutes (staying stationary, as a challenge/ competition with my friends) under water in a swimming pool, or swam the whole 50m length on one breath.
In the beginning of my 30s, due to work pressures and failed relationships, I took on smoking (strange at this age, but true!) and drinking strong Whiskey-equivalent alcohols of all sort both of Asian and Western origins. (the only thing I manged to avoid was hard drugs, thanks God). I became a Refrigerator Raider before I knew it, due to depression. I looked like a pig, ate like a pig, and generally felt like a pig, always thinking of the next edible stuffs to satisfy the feelings of physically-adapted body and emotional hunger. My weight shot to 75kg, blood pressure 145/97, resting heart rate 85, a protruding spare tire around the waist, feeling of constant odd aches and tiredness become a fact of life. Libido was also shot to hell. I went one way, the pecker went another! All the previous activities? Skip that! Simply, I couldn't do it even if my life depended on it! I was ready for six feet under soon if I continued this way!
Now, in my late 30s, I am back to the basics. Getting back to where I was before. My current weigh is 66kg and dropping, blood pressure 128/90,heart rate 78bpm. I can sleep longer and more restful, the aches diminished, and generally feel a more get-up-and go attitude.
So, my conclusion is: It's your mouth, it's your body, it's your mind. Nobody is forcing you to overload it. Nobody to blame for or to account to. It's your choice, a hard one for many, I admit. but ultimately, it's your call in how much effort YOU want to make your life better and longer.
She found a discouraging result about "weight-loss programs" ->that they don't work.
She did not find out anything about "fitness programs," which are the programs that do actually use both diet and sufficient exercise. ->this might work.
She did not find out anything about "fitness programs," which are the programs that do actually use both diet and sufficient exercise. ->this might work.
@vlam67
I worked in my father's rigging (machinery moving) business for many years. All of his employees and many of his customers were very physically active because of their jobs. Most of these people were fairly strong and seem to have good muscle tone. But at the same time, over half of them had a gut and a good layer of fat protecting their muscles. Physically challenging work does not guarantee a lean body.
another example comes from my time as a bicycle commuter. I cycled 2000 to 3000 miles per year and was in great shape from the waist down. but the rest of theme was still somewhat fat.
So to say physical activity will eliminate obesity is just plain wrong. There are a multitude of factors from exercise, diet, and genetic heritage.
I worked in my father's rigging (machinery moving) business for many years. All of his employees and many of his customers were very physically active because of their jobs. Most of these people were fairly strong and seem to have good muscle tone. But at the same time, over half of them had a gut and a good layer of fat protecting their muscles. Physically challenging work does not guarantee a lean body.
another example comes from my time as a bicycle commuter. I cycled 2000 to 3000 miles per year and was in great shape from the waist down. but the rest of theme was still somewhat fat.
So to say physical activity will eliminate obesity is just plain wrong. There are a multitude of factors from exercise, diet, and genetic heritage.
QUOTE (piedoggie+Apr 5 2007, 03:37 PM)
@vlam67
I worked in my father's rigging (machinery moving) business for many years. All of his employees and many of his customers were very physically active because of their jobs. Most of these people were fairly strong and seem to have good muscle tone. But at the same time, over half of them had a gut and a good layer of fat protecting their muscles. Physically challenging work does not guarantee a lean body.
another example comes from my time as a bicycle commuter. I cycled 2000 to 3000 miles per year and was in great shape from the waist down. but the rest of theme was still somewhat fat.
So to say physical activity will eliminate obesity is just plain wrong. There are a multitude of factors from exercise, diet, and genetic heritage.
The concern that sparked all those health studies is OBESITY, an unhealthy state of EXCESSIVE body adipose tissue, the health issues and the burden on society that results from it, NOT for being fat.
There is not much concern for just being fat. For example of a genetic heritage on body shape, one can point out that Samo Hong, the chubby guy that co-star with Jackie Chan, is extremely fit, fast and flexible. He is FAT but he is NOT OBESE. That's the difference.
So, to say physical activity will eliminate obesity, not fatness, is always correct.
I worked in my father's rigging (machinery moving) business for many years. All of his employees and many of his customers were very physically active because of their jobs. Most of these people were fairly strong and seem to have good muscle tone. But at the same time, over half of them had a gut and a good layer of fat protecting their muscles. Physically challenging work does not guarantee a lean body.
another example comes from my time as a bicycle commuter. I cycled 2000 to 3000 miles per year and was in great shape from the waist down. but the rest of theme was still somewhat fat.
So to say physical activity will eliminate obesity is just plain wrong. There are a multitude of factors from exercise, diet, and genetic heritage.
The concern that sparked all those health studies is OBESITY, an unhealthy state of EXCESSIVE body adipose tissue, the health issues and the burden on society that results from it, NOT for being fat.
There is not much concern for just being fat. For example of a genetic heritage on body shape, one can point out that Samo Hong, the chubby guy that co-star with Jackie Chan, is extremely fit, fast and flexible. He is FAT but he is NOT OBESE. That's the difference.
So, to say physical activity will eliminate obesity, not fatness, is always correct.
We never look at the overall energy burning cycle when considering weight, diabetes etc.
Example, we now cite the high volume of CO2 in the atmosphere. Could it be affecting the ability to metabolize food by more and more people? Could they be eating more to try and gain nutrition?
Sometimes its not all self-help and will power.
Example, we now cite the high volume of CO2 in the atmosphere. Could it be affecting the ability to metabolize food by more and more people? Could they be eating more to try and gain nutrition?
Sometimes its not all self-help and will power.
I've been on The Three-Hour Diet for the last year. I've lost 5 inches and haven't gained it back (and I've been out of the gym for most of that time)
. I guess it all depends on what diet you're on and if you are willing to make it a permanent change in lifestyle.
. I guess it all depends on what diet you're on and if you are willing to make it a permanent change in lifestyle.
I can only speak for myself because I'm not expert but...I weighed almost 400lbs. I made lifestyle changes, gave up sugared drinks and turned up the intensity of my exercise, doing that I got to 212. Then I went nuts and joined nutrisystem and lost another 25lbs. After stopping nutrisystem I gained most of it (nutrisysem pounds) back, now I'm holding steady at a little over 200. To me it's proved that lifestyle changes and exercise are the best way to go, paying a ridiculous amount of money for a weight loss plan in the long run did not work for me. I'm still fat, but eating right and exercising I'm fat healthy and happy and done with this weight loss ride.
The key to normal, healthy weight is your genetics and good traditional nutrition (not dieting!). If you eat what you ancestors were eating for centuries, you will be lean and energetic. If you fall succumb to newfangled products and "diets", you are most likely to disrupt your metabolism and health.
Some comments on the calories in-calories out argument: The first problem with the argument is that you can't even measure the calories in properly. You can compare this to a car with a leaky gas tank - it doesn't matter what you pump into the tank, it matters what the engine gets. Second, it matters how your body handles the calories. Metabolic processes, like both the type of engine and the tuning of the engine, also affect the caloric quantity available to run your body. Genetics is a big part of that, but so is age, exercise, general endocrine health, and so forth.
Beyond the exercise and healthy diet question is the one that asks whether our food even contains enough nutrition to make our bodies run properly. Diet-related illness is soaring, and it's not just because people are obese. It's because with factory farming and with ground that doesn't have the proper nutrients, we aren't getting the same quality from our food that we used to get.
Beyond the exercise and healthy diet question is the one that asks whether our food even contains enough nutrition to make our bodies run properly. Diet-related illness is soaring, and it's not just because people are obese. It's because with factory farming and with ground that doesn't have the proper nutrients, we aren't getting the same quality from our food that we used to get.
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