To add comments or start new threads please go to the full version of: matter is made of light?
PhysOrgForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums > Physics > Materials

abduljakul
http://www.tardyon.de/emc2.htm
rpenner
Then why do electrons have a well-defined rest mass?
Why do electrons have a well-defined electric charge?
Why do electrons have electric charge, and photons do not?
Why do electrons exhibit half-integral spin and photons do not?
Why do electrons exhibit fermionic self -avoidance and photons do not?
What is the box made out of if photons do not interact with anything but electrically charged particles and, importantly, do not interact with themselves?
Why are electrons and positrons always created in pairs from gamma rays?
Why does the electron exhibit point-like properties even at collisions that probe below the scale of the classical electron radius? How small are these boxes? What shape are they?

Until these questions are answered, the answer is "probably not."
fivedoughnut
QUOTE (rpenner+Sep 29 2006, 11:28 PM)
Then why do electrons have a well-defined rest mass?
Why do electrons have a well-defined electric charge?
Why do electrons have electric charge, and photons do not?
Why do electrons exhibit half-integral spin and photons do not?
Why do electrons exhibit fermionic self -avoidance and photons do not?
What is the box made out of if photons do not interact with anything but electrically charged particles and, importantly, do not interact with themselves?
Why are electrons and positrons always created in pairs from gamma rays?
Why does the electron exhibit point-like properties even at collisions that probe below the scale of the classical electron radius? How small are these boxes? What shape are they?

Until these questions are answered, the answer is "probably not."

rpenner,


A lot of theses questions can be answered if you consider a photon to be a wave trap in 2-3 dimensional space, whilst an electron is part of a 4-5 dimensional wave trap that's embedded on our brane wavefront. Each is a closed system however with regards to an electron, closure occurs in 4+ space which extends beyond our brane therefore transits into infinity in a nothing of a meter; it is the linkaged hybrid interbrane/ interactivity of both wavefronts that accounts for timespace which is a 0 - infinity thing, allowing this closed wave propagation to appear as an external 'field'. Photons cannot 'express' charge or mass because the wavicle requires movement beyond our home brane in higher dimensional space for it to manifest.

Electrons have 1/2 spin because we only 'see' half embedded hypertoroidal wave envelopes which I've named electro-positronic hyperfields as when fully embedded they are particle/antiparticle. To visualize this, imagine an electro-positronic wavicle as a ring...well in our universe an electron is analogous to a ring piercing our brane like a ring through a bull's nose with the outer section lying beyond our brane perimeter. The particle, anti-particle represents complete embedding of this ring, passing at 90 degrees through our brane..i.e, like a ring passing through a one dimensional plane produces two apparently separate points, but obviously a similar effect in higher dimensional terms. Therefore the whole ring or sum of electron - positron spin now equals that of the photon.

Everythings easy when you're a crackpot laugh.gif .
Zephir
QUOTE (abduljakul+Sep 30 2006, 02:16 AM)
matter is made of light?

Every matter is made from bosons, the photon is just one of many bosons available...
carbonlife
> Why do electrons have electric charge, and photons do not?

Photons have an electric fied.

> What is the box made out of if photons do not interact with anything
> but electrically charged particles and, importantly, do not interact
> with themselves?

Photons can interact with themselves. If they're energetic enough, they can produce particle-antiparticle pairs ( annihilation in reverse ).

> Why are electrons and positrons always created in pairs from gamma rays?

Conservation of charge.

> Why does the electron exhibit point-like properties even at collisions
> that probe below the scale of the classical electron radius? How small
> are these boxes? What shape are they?

The classical radius was a mistake in light of quantum mechanics. The original reasoning was that if an electron were truly point-like, the electric field would approach infinity near that point, and the energy stored in the electric field would exceed the rest mass of the electron. Therefore, the reasoning went, there was a minimum size at which the electron would be all field and no matter -- kinda like shaving a poodle, and finding nothing under the fur.

Quantum mechanics showed the infinite-field problem to be illusory, because the electron acts like a charge cloud. An electron only acts point-life if you supply it with a great deal of kinetic energy, to overcome the repulsion between an electron and another negative particle. The quantum mechanical equation says delta-X times delta-P >= h / 2-pi, where delta-X is the positional uncertainty of the electron, delta-P is the momentum-uncertainty of the electron, and h is Planck;s constant. To make the electron act like a point, you must make the positional uncertainty small, by making the momentum-uncertainty large, which you can only do by making the electron's momentum large in a particle accelerator.

In practice, the electron's behavior in a collision is governed by Schrodinger's wave equation, wherein the electron's wavelength ( its minimum size if you will ) varies inversely with its mass -- so what you do is pump up the electron's kinetic mass, so that the relativistic mass increase makes the electron heavier and therefore more point-like.

The infinite-field argument also vanishes when you take a closer look at the quantum nature of the electron's electric field. In order to actually measure the electron's field at short distances, you need to 'probe' the field using another charged particle. When you bounce another particle off an electron, you're sending ripples through the electron's electric field. Those ripples are electromagnetic wave-particles ( photons ) which can be thought of as mediating particles for the electromagnetic force. The photon wave-packets you get by 'pinging' the electron have a minimum size, inversely proportional to how energetically you ping the electron. Both the electron and photon act point-like ONLY TO A DEGREE at achievable pinging energies. Above that they probably act like a rippling quark-gluon soup, though there's no experimental proof of that yet for electron-electron collisions per se.




RMC
QUOTE (Zephir+Sep 30 2006, 05:20 PM)
Every matter is made from bosons, the photon is just one of many bosons available...

Actually Everything is made of Fermions and Bosons

Fermions - Leptons and Quarks
Bosons - Gauge Bosons and Other Bosons

Leptons - Electron, electron neutrino, tau, tau neutrino, muon, muon neutrino
Quarks - up,down,strange,charm,top,bottom
Gauge bosons - photon, w+,w-,Z, gluon
and of course there all trying to find higgs
MNP.23
What does Thomson's discovery on the electron and what does it mean for the future of science?

Please msg me ASAP.
E-mail me the answer please.
xx-lover-sarah@hotmail.com
R.L. Collins
Since matter is created from photons, and photons are entirely electromagnetic, it follows that matter is indeed made up of EM fields. They are arranged differently, in light and in particles.

I have found a way to arrange the EM fields to achieve the particle properties of charge, mass, angular momentum, spin, and stability. The paper is posted on arxiv under physics/0611266. The electron can be modeled as a dipolar B field that morphs into a toroidal E field, and back, at the Compton frequency. The electric and magnetic fluxes are quantized. Precession of this spinning model about a different axis then creates "charge". Mass is the encapsulated kinetic energy of these changing and spinning EM fields. Charge is created by a vxB mechanism of the spinning dipolar B field.
PhysOrg scientific forums are totally dedicated to science, physics, and technology. Besides topical forums such as nanotechnology, quantum physics, silicon and III-V technology, applied physics, materials, space and others, you can also join our news and publications discussions. We also provide an off-topic forum category. If you need specific help on a scientific problem or have a question related to physics or technology, visit the PhysOrg Forums. Here you’ll find experts from various fields online every day.
To quit out of "lo-fi" mode and return to the regular forums, please click here.