Can animals worship? "Scientists may claim that evolution has nothing to do with religion, but it is their religion to worship creation instead of the God who created the sun and all life." (Quote Taken from http://www.answersingenesis.org/e-mail/arc.../2004/0807.asp)
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We were made to worship. Apes don't set up church.
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Why do you read that site and this one?
One is "shut up and show me"
The other is "shut up and believe".
how does someone find both interesting?
One is "shut up and show me"
The other is "shut up and believe".
how does someone find both interesting?
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 8 2009, 11:41 PM)
We were made to worship.
We were actually made specifically to be subservient? Our purpose is actually just to prostrate ourselves before some higher power? For some reason I find this line of thought disturbing.
We were actually made specifically to be subservient? Our purpose is actually just to prostrate ourselves before some higher power? For some reason I find this line of thought disturbing.
I can't tell if my dog worships me, but it sure seems like it.
My cat demands that I worship her.
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 8 2009, 06:41 PM)
"Scientists may claim that evolution has nothing to do with religion,
WRONG!!!
WRONG!!!
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Jul 9 2009, 06:47 PM)
WRONG!!!
MjolnirPants, This is in regaurd to seperation of church and state/public education.
DuzmA - I mean to say that we worship/idolize things like our shiny new car or Michael Jackson.
I primary don't like cats, though I've known some that act like dogs.
buttershug, The answers in Genesis site does give responses but it get ALOT of email/hatemail. They said more of their hate mail is from "Christians" than Atheists. They respond to email in a section called 'Feedback:' I go to this site because I've been through public school and Evolution apologetics have always bothered me. Why do atheists evangelise?
MjolnirPants, This is in regaurd to seperation of church and state/public education.
DuzmA - I mean to say that we worship/idolize things like our shiny new car or Michael Jackson.
I primary don't like cats, though I've known some that act like dogs.
buttershug, The answers in Genesis site does give responses but it get ALOT of email/hatemail. They said more of their hate mail is from "Christians" than Atheists. They respond to email in a section called 'Feedback:' I go to this site because I've been through public school and Evolution apologetics have always bothered me. Why do atheists evangelise?
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 9 2009, 03:54 PM)
MjolnirPants, This is in regaurd to seperation of church and state/public education.
Alright then...
WRONG!!!
Alright then...
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but it is their religion to worship creation instead of the God who created the sun and all life.
WRONG!!!
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Jul 10 2009, 02:37 AM)
Alright then...
WRONG!!!
Your right that was a ambiguous statement too. The overall point I'm trying to make is that we were humans created to worship. If Sinister Utopia/others could please explain yourselves better or give an example, that would help the conversation instead of just trolling one lined arguements alot. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99379.htm Apes/animals do not have the level/stages of cognitive development that most older humans have. And Praise daddy Jesus.
WRONG!!!
Your right that was a ambiguous statement too. The overall point I'm trying to make is that we were humans created to worship. If Sinister Utopia/others could please explain yourselves better or give an example, that would help the conversation instead of just trolling one lined arguements alot. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99379.htm Apes/animals do not have the level/stages of cognitive development that most older humans have. And Praise daddy Jesus.
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 10 2009, 04:42 PM)
The overall point I'm trying to make is that we were humans created to worship.
Apes/animals do not have the level/stages of cognitive development that most older humans have.
That argument fails on every level.
It doesn't follow that because we're smarter than our cousins that our purpose is different from theirs. Our purpose ("created to ...") is no different than the Ape. For that matter it is no different at it's core than for a Glacier Ice Worm.
Purpose in the context you're using it has no real place in the original proposition. It is a false correlation. There is no "pupose" whatsoever to existence (excepting those we each individually define for ourselves ... or in the case of religionists, the sheep follow where they're lead); all of which are post-"creation" attributes.
Apes/animals do not have the level/stages of cognitive development that most older humans have.
That argument fails on every level.
It doesn't follow that because we're smarter than our cousins that our purpose is different from theirs. Our purpose ("created to ...") is no different than the Ape. For that matter it is no different at it's core than for a Glacier Ice Worm.
Purpose in the context you're using it has no real place in the original proposition. It is a false correlation. There is no "pupose" whatsoever to existence (excepting those we each individually define for ourselves ... or in the case of religionists, the sheep follow where they're lead); all of which are post-"creation" attributes.
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jul 10 2009, 07:11 PM)
That argument fails on every level.
It doesn't follow that because we're smarter than our cousins that our purpose is different from theirs. Our purpose ("created to ...") is no different than the Ape. For that matter it is no different at it's core than for a Glacier Ice Worm.
Purpose in the context you're using it has no real place in the original proposition. It is a false correlation. There is no "pupose" whatsoever to existence (excepting those we each individually define for ourselves ... or in the case of religionists, the sheep follow where they're lead); all of which are post-"creation" attributes.
Apes aren't our cousin, your coming from false reasoning. Apes can't get babies from humans. We aren't related that way. We were both created. We did not evolve from them. Science has proven that apes can't get babies from having intercourse with a human.
It doesn't follow that because we're smarter than our cousins that our purpose is different from theirs. Our purpose ("created to ...") is no different than the Ape. For that matter it is no different at it's core than for a Glacier Ice Worm.
Purpose in the context you're using it has no real place in the original proposition. It is a false correlation. There is no "pupose" whatsoever to existence (excepting those we each individually define for ourselves ... or in the case of religionists, the sheep follow where they're lead); all of which are post-"creation" attributes.
Apes aren't our cousin, your coming from false reasoning. Apes can't get babies from humans. We aren't related that way. We were both created. We did not evolve from them. Science has proven that apes can't get babies from having intercourse with a human.
OMFG!
Humans are Apes!
Humans are Apes!
Apes can't get babies from humans. We aren't related that way.
Humans are Apes!
Sigh, evidence please. On second thoughts. Read a Biology book, preferably not Panda's and People.
Sigh, evidence please. On second thoughts. Read a Biology book, preferably not Panda's and People.
We did not evolve from them.
Humans are Apes! If you mean other modern Apes then yes that is correct, however we do share a common ancestor with other Apes and all living things.
Humans are Apes! If you mean other modern Apes then it may be possible to do just that, probably not via intercourse and probably not without some new kind of tinkering.
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Apes aren't our cousin, your coming from false reasoning.
Humans are Apes!
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| Apes aren't our cousin, your coming from false reasoning. |
Humans are Apes!
Apes can't get babies from humans. We aren't related that way.
Humans are Apes!
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We were both created.
Sigh, evidence please. On second thoughts. Read a Biology book, preferably not Panda's and People.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| We were both created. |
Sigh, evidence please. On second thoughts. Read a Biology book, preferably not Panda's and People.
We did not evolve from them.
Humans are Apes! If you mean other modern Apes then yes that is correct, however we do share a common ancestor with other Apes and all living things.
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Science has proven that apes can't get babies from having intercourse with a human.
Humans are Apes! If you mean other modern Apes then it may be possible to do just that, probably not via intercourse and probably not without some new kind of tinkering.
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 10 2009, 11:42 AM)
Your right that was a ambiguous statement too.
No, it was a completely false statement. The only inbuilt purpose to any form of life is to survive long enough to reproduce.
No, it was a completely false statement. The only inbuilt purpose to any form of life is to survive long enough to reproduce.
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 11 2009, 03:39 PM)
Apes aren't our cousin, your coming from false reasoning. Apes can't get babies from humans. We aren't related that way. We were both created. We did not evolve from them. Science has proven that apes can't get babies from having intercourse with a human.
Please get your information on evolution from people who understand it not from people who put it down and lie about it.
Please get your information on evolution from people who understand it not from people who put it down and lie about it.
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 11 2009, 10:39 AM)
Apes aren't our cousin, your coming from false reasoning. Apes can't get babies from humans. We aren't related that way. We were both created. We did not evolve from them. Science has proven that apes can't get babies from having intercourse with a human.
God is dead. I killed him.
God is dead. I killed him.
We are all animals anyway, we just have a superiority complex..
I worship my self in the mirror, everything on tv, and because I try to relate to what I see on tv ... that must make me the god of the tv ... and sense I have chosen to worship myself here ... I must be the god of the Internet!! Because I way too dense to understand the subtleties of words, actions, in-action, reaction, to even understand the really simple complex BS that comes out of someones output not input. In the terms of the human body, that would be the arse I do believe.
Far out man!
Far out man!
Father,
I thank You for all the good work You are doing in Your people..
As We know that all things work together, for good to those who are called according to Your purpose....
All things Lord, what we perceive to be good or bad ..
All things..
Thank You Lord for Your great salvation ..
I thank You for all the good work You are doing in Your people..
As We know that all things work together, for good to those who are called according to Your purpose....
All things Lord, what we perceive to be good or bad ..
All things..
Thank You Lord for Your great salvation ..
QUOTE (Mark Dawson+Jul 12 2009, 06:31 AM)
Father,
I thank You for all the good work You are doing in Your people..
As We know that all things work together, for good to those who are called according to Your purpose....
All things Lord, what we perceive to be good or bad ..
All things..
Thank You Lord for Your great salvation ..
No problem.
I thank You for all the good work You are doing in Your people..
As We know that all things work together, for good to those who are called according to Your purpose....
All things Lord, what we perceive to be good or bad ..
All things..
Thank You Lord for Your great salvation ..
No problem.
Dogs at the current level of evolution they are currently in, might be able in their way, to understand what god is.
QUOTE (philip347+Jul 12 2009, 12:38 PM)
Dogs at the current level of evolution they are currently in, might be able in their way, to understand what god is.
At what stage of evolution do animals become able to believe in imaginary beings?
At what stage of evolution do animals become able to believe in imaginary beings?
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 8 2009, 11:41 PM)
Can animals worship?
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 12 2009, 05:40 PM)
At what stage of evolution do animals become able to believe in imaginary beings?
Probably pretty early on. It's simple game theory, I think. Because for an animal to miss noticing a non-imaginary being is to greatly increase its risk of some adverse event. But not 'notice' imaginary beings will rarely have severe (relatively) consequences.
This is why animals jump at shadows, etc.
Probably pretty early on. It's simple game theory, I think. Because for an animal to miss noticing a non-imaginary being is to greatly increase its risk of some adverse event. But not 'notice' imaginary beings will rarely have severe (relatively) consequences.
This is why animals jump at shadows, etc.
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