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jsaldea12
Will earth be like Venus runaway greenhouse?


Venus atmosphere has 90% CO2, with surface atmospheric pressure of 90 times greater than earth’s surface atmospheric pressure, and Venus has surface temperature of 600 C.

Earth, on the other hand, has atmospheric 3% CO2, plus 40% increase, more or less, or 4.2% CO2, in the atmosphere today, and earth has average surface temperature of 32C.

Applying Venus CO2 and temperature levels, proportionately, to Earth’s, two computations are presented below:

(a) 600C/90 = 6.67 C, the proportionate surface temperature of Venus as
applied to Earth’s.

(cool.gif 4.2% /90% = .047 x 600C = 28.2 C another proportionate surface
temperature of Venus as applied to Earth’s.

© Therefore: 6.67 C + 28.2C / 2 = 17.45C The proportionate
temperature, more or less of Venus as applied to Earth.

(d) But Earth average surface temperature now is 32 C., higher than the
computed proportionate 17.45C of Venus as applied to Earth.

The question is: what causes global warming on Earth? It appears to be jointly, the chain-reaction of the following: (a) The sun is simply warming up, as Russian and German scientists claim, (cool.gif human activities, re- mainly use of fossil fuel, © overpopulation, have you been in movie full of moviegoers (d) Wildfires, volcano eruptions.

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Jsaldea12

8.8.09
Geoff Mollusc
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Aug 8 2009, 02:09 PM)
Will earth be like Venus runaway greenhouse?


Venus atmosphere has 90% CO2, with surface atmospheric pressure of 90 times greater than earth’s surface atmospheric pressure, and Venus has surface temperature of 600 C.

Earth, on the other hand, has atmospheric 3% CO2, plus 40% increase, more or less, or 4.2% CO2, in the atmosphere today, and earth has average surface temperature of 32C.

Applying Venus CO2 and temperature levels, proportionately, to Earth’s, two computations are presented below:

(a) 600C/90 = 6.67 C, the proportionate surface temperature of Venus as
applied to Earth’s.

(cool.gif 4.2% /90% = .047 x 600C = 28.2 C another proportionate surface
temperature of Venus as applied to Earth’s.

© Therefore: 6.67 C + 28.2C / 2 = 17.45C The proportionate
temperature, more or less of Venus as applied to Earth.

(d) But Earth average surface temperature now is 32 C., higher than the
computed proportionate 17.45C of Venus as applied to Earth.

The question is: what causes global warming on Earth? It appears to be jointly, the chain-reaction of the following: (a) The sun is simply warming up, as Russian and German scientists claim, (cool.gif human activities, re- mainly use of fossil fuel, © overpopulation, have you been in movie full of moviegoers (d) Wildfires, volcano eruptions.

For your respected commentaries.


Jsaldea12

8.8.09


1. Venus has around 97% CO2 in its atmosphere not 90%.

2. Average temperature on surface of Venus ~ 470°C, not 600.

3. Earth has roughly 400 ppm CO2 (0.04%), not 4.2%.

4 Average temperature on Earth ~ 14°C. not 32.

Therefore, your hysterical calculations don't even have substance, fuckhead.


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jsaldea12

Venus atmospheric CO2 has no exact calculation, but it is roughly 90%-92% .

Average temperature of Venus as presented is not exact but approximate: but definitely, it is not -470 C. The surface temperature of Venus is 470 C to 600 C, no exact figure.

Again, the atmospheric CO2 of earth was .03 but it has been increasing due to use of fossil fuel, so approximately, it should have increase from .30 to .40, thus, .03 + (.30 + .40) = 4.2, MORE OR LESS now.

Average temperature of earth, if not for greenhouse due to evaporation of ocean is -14C. But. the temperature of earth on various places have different temperatures, the figure 32C is simply roughly average, not exact.


BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ARTICLE, WITH APPROXIMATE FIGURES, IS WHAT ARE THE CAUSES OF GLOBAL WARMING ON EARTH AND HOW TO SOLVE IT. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. Though one thing sure, Earth will never be like Venus, with run-away CO2 greenhouse.

As I point out, there are joint factors responsible for global warming on earth. Am I right or wrong? Remember we are trying to save earth, we are realizing now WE ARE CAPABLE OF CHANGING, though the sun is warming up too but never to bake us,,,that will happen 2 billion years from now.. Regards.

Jsaldea12

8.9.09
Geoff Mollusc
Dear liar, astoundingly breathtaking-idiot and general boom-boom brain,

Quotes 1- 3 from wiki source

1. "The mass of the atmosphere of Venus is 96.5% carbon dioxide, with most of the remaining 3.5% composed of nitrogen"

2. "The surface of Venus is effectively isothermal; it retains a constant temperature between day and night and between the equator and the poles."

3."The CO2-rich atmosphere, along with thick clouds of sulfur dioxide, generates the strongest greenhouse effect in the Solar System, creating surface temperatures of over 460 °C (860 °F)"

4. C02 level 2009


As for this overwhelmingly shocking portion:

QUOTE
"Average temperature of earth, if not for greenhouse due to evaporation of ocean is -14C. But. the temperature of earth on various places have different temperatures, the figure 32C is simply roughly average, not exact".


......... is it a passage from an unknown Edward Lear-on-acid tale?

With supreme drooling idiot status now achieved and mammothly exceeded. Are you pleased?


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jsaldea12
As I said, my figures are approximate, as a matter of fact, the maximum/worst approximations are used.: that maximum 600C, that lowest 92 times atmospheric pressure of Venus greater than Earth’s…if it is possible for earth to become like Venus. It cannot be.

Can you not hammer it to your skull that the main point of the article is to honestly look for the real causes of global warming on Earth, and how we can solve. Thus, the question:

`1. Is the Sun warming up = Latest development that baffles scientists, including NASA, is the total disappearance of sunspots for the longest, last year and this year, 2009. What does it mean?
2. Actually, the computation I presented was brought, the other year, to the attention of Dr. James Hanzen, NASA, author of global warming on earth. But Dr. Hanzen made no response.
3. That atmospheric CO2 of Earth of 3% has increased 35% -40%, more or less, contributes materially for the greenhouse effect on Earth, for global warming.
4. But there are other causes, such as overpopulation. In 1945, the population of the world was 2 billion, more or less, now it is closing 7 billion. The total land area of the earth has never been reduced, mangled, re-forest made bald, whole tract of lands converted to metropolis, than it is now by human. Thus, with less green areas, Earth is made hot.
5. Then, there are the wildfires that ravage thousands of hectares, and volcanoes eruptions

Thus, there are many factors, jointly, are responsible for global warming and change climates on Earth, as follows:

(a) The Sun is warming up ……. 35%
(cool.gif Increase CO2 greenhouse…. 35%
© Overpopulation…………… 20%
(d) Wildfires, eruptions, etc. … 10%
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Total 100 %
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Of the sun warming up, there is nothing human can do. But there appears no danger. There never was a time when the sun bakes Earth, it will occur 2 billion from now, if you are still alive. To see it. But of the three other factors, these are within human to contain. See? There is Al Gore, IPCC, etc. doing the commendable jobs. Overpopulation is overtaking global warming as a threat. Global warming is expected to be worst in approximately 50 years, but overpopulation is expected to be worst in 10 years.

AM I RIGHT OR WRONG IN MY ANALYSIS. CAN YOU ADD OTHER FACTORS?

Jsaldea12

8.10.09
flyingbuttressman
jsaldea12,

Why did you make up those percentages? Are you that dishonest?

(edit)
By "those" I mean these:
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(a) The Sun is warming up ……. 35%
(cool.gif Increase CO2 greenhouse…. 35%
© Overpopulation…………… 20%
(d) Wildfires, eruptions, etc. … 10%
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Total 100 %
philip347
No’ its too far out. More similar to a hostile desert.
jsaldea12

It would be to the best interest if NASA, stateman Al Gore Org, and IPCC could say if there is truth or not in those percentages. But reiterating, when the Sun flexes its muscle, as there are evidences, there is nothing human can do. The sun is simply on its warming cycle but not too harmful. The bigger percentages are the human-made CO2, activities, and overpopulation: these factors can be controlled. It is added, very respected Al Gore & organization is doing a superb job.

Regards.


jsaldea12

9/10/09
Guest_TallDave
This is the funniest thing I have ever read.
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