Anyone wish to take up Stephen Hawking bet of $100?
I say he is right and I would say twice that would be a better bet.
Anyone think he is wrong?
Hawking bets CERN will not find the God Particle
Quote" Renowned British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking has bet 100 dollars (70 euros) that a mega-experiment this week will not find an elusive particle seen as a holy grail of cosmic science, he said Tuesday.
In the most complex scientific experiment ever undertaken, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be switched on Wednesday, accelerating sub-atomic particles to nearly the speed of light before smashing them together.
"The LHC will increase the energy at which we can study particle interactions by a factor of four. According to present thinking, this should be enough to discover the Higgs particle," Hawking told BBC radio.
"I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of 100 dollars that we won't find the Higgs," added Hawking, whose books including "A Brief History of Time" have sought to popularise study of stellar physics."
Although I must agree with Stephen Hawking on this one, I do hope the folks at CERN can prove him wrong. However, if they don't succeed in discovering the Higgs particle this time around, you can bet that it won't be long before they do.
There is no such thing
mass is relative, and is only electrodynamic drag
mass is relative, and is only electrodynamic drag
To my own chagrin, I would have to agree with Hawking on this one, and if I could, I would back his bet. I believe that CERN will find some new novel particles, the Higgs will not be one of them. The energies obtained in the LHC will bring us nearer to understanding what happened closer to the moment of the Big Bang than ever before, but the "holy grail" will be reduced to the stuff of legend.
Those polls are actually quite important :)
Does anyone remember those atom-bombs lost in the water outside Spain?
The successful search for them were actually constructed around a betting pool.
People that got different vistas to choose from and then made their guesses.
There was an algorithm created that this guy who got the idea focused on.
Some of those 'vistas' was already thrown away by the official search team as being to far-reaching.
But it worked splendidly and this algorithm if i got it right is now widely used in searching.
Wish I could give you the name of this guy but it's just something that came to mind reading about your predictions here :).
The idea behind it, if I'm right, is that we seem to know more than we know ourselves.
But if anyone know more about it feel free to tell me.
And the strangest thing to me is that it seems to work :)
So?
Does anyone remember those atom-bombs lost in the water outside Spain?
The successful search for them were actually constructed around a betting pool.
People that got different vistas to choose from and then made their guesses.
There was an algorithm created that this guy who got the idea focused on.
Some of those 'vistas' was already thrown away by the official search team as being to far-reaching.
But it worked splendidly and this algorithm if i got it right is now widely used in searching.
Wish I could give you the name of this guy but it's just something that came to mind reading about your predictions here :).
The idea behind it, if I'm right, is that we seem to know more than we know ourselves.
But if anyone know more about it feel free to tell me.
And the strangest thing to me is that it seems to work :)
So?
No, they won't find a "God particle".
God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.
Also, particles and fields cannot be fundamental because they have "more fundamental" properties.
God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.
Also, particles and fields cannot be fundamental because they have "more fundamental" properties.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 13 2008, 05:01 PM)
No, they won't find a "God particle".
God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.
This statement shows just how bad your grasp of the concept is.
God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.
This statement shows just how bad your grasp of the concept is.
QUOTE (TheDoc+Sep 13 2008, 12:08 PM)
This statement shows just how bad your grasp of the concept is.
If you know so much about the LHC why did you not know that the real tests have not begun.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4830&st=2055#Doc asks why it has not happened
[/QUOTE]Okay, it's become quite apparent now that the earth hasn't been sucked into a black hole in Switzerland. Nor have any stranglets been running around the planet wreaking havoc.
Trippy had to inform you of what they were doing on the first test.
Quote:
Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory,
I think you just love to make others wrong!
If you know so much about the LHC why did you not know that the real tests have not begun.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4830&st=2055#Doc asks why it has not happened
[/QUOTE]Okay, it's become quite apparent now that the earth hasn't been sucked into a black hole in Switzerland. Nor have any stranglets been running around the planet wreaking havoc.
Trippy had to inform you of what they were doing on the first test.
Quote:
Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory,
I think you just love to make others wrong!
QUOTE (TheDoc+Sep 13 2008, 12:08 PM)
This statement shows just how bad your grasp of the concept is.
They aren't going to find a fundamental particle, or a fundamental anything "within" the universe.
What is is what is.
Atheists have chosen to reject the one True fundamental: Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He made all things...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."
"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes on him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
"God did not send his son to condemn the world...(for) whoever does not believe is condemned already."
"I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Jesus: Nothing is more fundamental. Nothing is more elemental.
If you want to know fundamental reality, its as simple as a prayer to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, for "Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved."
Postmodern physics is a "well without water" and a "wandering star", and "ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
God has said to those who will come unto to Him, "I will restore the years that the locust and the palmerworm and the cankerworm have eaten," and "I will pour waters upon your dry and thirsty souls," and "everything shall live where the river comes."
"The time is fulfilled...Repent and believe the Gospel."
Take up the Cross and follow Jesus, "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
They aren't going to find a fundamental particle, or a fundamental anything "within" the universe.
What is is what is.
Atheists have chosen to reject the one True fundamental: Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He made all things...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."
"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes on him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
"God did not send his son to condemn the world...(for) whoever does not believe is condemned already."
"I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Jesus: Nothing is more fundamental. Nothing is more elemental.
If you want to know fundamental reality, its as simple as a prayer to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, for "Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved."
Postmodern physics is a "well without water" and a "wandering star", and "ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
God has said to those who will come unto to Him, "I will restore the years that the locust and the palmerworm and the cankerworm have eaten," and "I will pour waters upon your dry and thirsty souls," and "everything shall live where the river comes."
"The time is fulfilled...Repent and believe the Gospel."
Take up the Cross and follow Jesus, "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
QUOTE (rethinker+)
If you know so much about the LHC why did you not know that the real tests have not begun.
I wasn't talking about the LHC, I was talking about Quantum_Conundrum's grasp of the name "God particle".
Look again, bozo. Trippy was being sarcastic and issuing a mock statement from ubavontuba.
Look again, bozo. Trippy was being sarcastic and issuing a mock statement from ubavontuba.
Ubavontuba: "Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory, all it means is that the conditions aren't right yet (Series of personal insults about peoples unwillingness to talk science, Alphanumeric being a chatbot, Rpenner having multiple personalities, and everybody else who disagrees with him being ignorant, incompetant or both)."
...Not to mention that much of the public's fear of the LHC was centered on the first test on Wednesday.
It's not too hard when people start quoting the Bible to back up their assertions on a physics forum.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
Beautiful philosophy.
Well, there you have it. You just proved that it is a moral issue for you to believe, and not an issue of proof at all.
You find fault with God for enforcing his laws, yet you would rather burn in hell than worship God.
Another thing, nothing in the Bible nor any legitimate Christian teaching says that all we are going to be doing in heaven is kneeling and groveling to God. Nothing says that, except the devil that uses it to fool you through your carnal and selfish nature...
Well, there you have it. You just proved that it is a moral issue for you to believe, and not an issue of proof at all.
You find fault with God for enforcing his laws, yet you would rather burn in hell than worship God.
Another thing, nothing in the Bible nor any legitimate Christian teaching says that all we are going to be doing in heaven is kneeling and groveling to God. Nothing says that, except the devil that uses it to fool you through your carnal and selfish nature...
and I suspect you christians are going to be in for a rude shock when you find out your definition of god is more like the definition of satan himself. You guys used to astound me, now it only irritates me.
The word "satan" means adversary, and for one so rebellious and full of pride as to rather burn in hell forever th an to worship God, well, God definitely is your adversary.
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I mean, nothing could be more idiotic nor demonic nor un-natural than an "intellectual" who says, "if God exists, I'd rather go to hell than worship him."
You'll regret that, and unfortunately for you, it will be too late to change your mind.
I never said that, but you miss the point.
You seek the origins of the universe, and He is right under your very nose and speaks to you daily, and atheists ignore him, and claim he doesn't exist.
But I assure you, he does.
This petty experiment will do nothing in the long run.
To quote a video game I've played more than a few times, "your violence, young prodigal, is typical and is a reflection of your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things."
So what if you find another particle? It won't change anything. Man is still trying to build the same old tower of Babel, "let us make us a name for ourselves," when God had already named them "Adam".
We're nothing but dirt and water really, and do you presume to try to understand the universe and the God who made it?
Nobody preaches ignorance, but the fact remains, your petty attempts to understand how God created the universe(particularly while denying his very existence) are vain.
There could be trillions of hidden levels of reality below the subatomic level and beyond anything you coudl possibly concieve, beyond anything you, or any finite intelligence, could possibly memorize or describe or understand in a thousand lifetimes.
"Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh."
Hey, I'll give you this.
I have no doubt they'll discover some more particles and waves and whatever, and this allow them to make even more gadgets, but no, they will not uncover the secrets of the universe, nor will man ever do so in a million years, if so be that the Lord tarry that long (and if so be that man doesn't murder himself in that time).
Post modern science seeks to undertand the universe for the ultimate goal of controlling that universe and reshaping it in the image of man.
Even if you do discover something revolutionary and entirely "elegant" and more simple than I imagine, God will simply kick you back down, at some point, as he did at Babel.
As stated, we are "man", "adam", and not God. Our realm is here, in the macro scopic, secondary reality we inhabit. We are not "gods" and we never will be. Ten particle colliders a thousand times bigger than this one, or some other vain gadget, still wont change that fact.
I never said that, but you miss the point.
You seek the origins of the universe, and He is right under your very nose and speaks to you daily, and atheists ignore him, and claim he doesn't exist.
But I assure you, he does.
This petty experiment will do nothing in the long run.
To quote a video game I've played more than a few times, "your violence, young prodigal, is typical and is a reflection of your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things."
So what if you find another particle? It won't change anything. Man is still trying to build the same old tower of Babel, "let us make us a name for ourselves," when God had already named them "Adam".
We're nothing but dirt and water really, and do you presume to try to understand the universe and the God who made it?
Nobody preaches ignorance, but the fact remains, your petty attempts to understand how God created the universe(particularly while denying his very existence) are vain.
There could be trillions of hidden levels of reality below the subatomic level and beyond anything you coudl possibly concieve, beyond anything you, or any finite intelligence, could possibly memorize or describe or understand in a thousand lifetimes.
"Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh."
Hey, I'll give you this.
I have no doubt they'll discover some more particles and waves and whatever, and this allow them to make even more gadgets, but no, they will not uncover the secrets of the universe, nor will man ever do so in a million years, if so be that the Lord tarry that long (and if so be that man doesn't murder himself in that time).
Post modern science seeks to undertand the universe for the ultimate goal of controlling that universe and reshaping it in the image of man.
Even if you do discover something revolutionary and entirely "elegant" and more simple than I imagine, God will simply kick you back down, at some point, as he did at Babel.
As stated, we are "man", "adam", and not God. Our realm is here, in the macro scopic, secondary reality we inhabit. We are not "gods" and we never will be. Ten particle colliders a thousand times bigger than this one, or some other vain gadget, still wont change that fact.
Remember, QC, that it is THE GETTING OF WISDOM that distinguishes humans from the PROGRAMMED MACHINE and the LOWER ANIMALS.
Like children must come to find out FOR THEMSELVES....humanity must do likewise.
It is the JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY that makes life bearable.
If your god DIDN'T want you to LEARN ABOUT THE UNIVERSE....he would have LEFT OUT YOUR BRAIN AND ALL THE HIGHER FACULTIES that EMERGE with it.
And besides all that, how would we know what is 'under our noses' if we didn't LOOK around us?
And if we look around us, we cannot PREJUDGE that which WE MIGHT FIND.....whatever it turns out to BE in FUTURE in reality.
See?
If you once ALLOW for humans TO 'see', then we must BE ALLOWED TO 'see' FOR OURSELVES....with the faculties 'your god' has supposedly provided us with.
Else we will be mere automatons....and imperfect automatons at that.
See?
Give it up, mate....it's too complicated for your kind of facile 'treatments' and 'rationalisations' and 'proselitysing' and 'parrotting' and just plain ignoring of the reality of what it IS to BE 'human'.
Cheers and please don't take the lazy/morbid path to knowledge.....stop and 'smell the roses' IN REALITY...and not 'sleepwalk' in bizzare fantasies; for in those bizzare fantasies, nothing can match THE REAL THING for true wonder and joy (especially the joy of learning/discovery for real).
Good luck and good thinking, mate.....and goodnight from me!
RC.
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Well, there you have it. You just proved that it is a moral issue for you to believe, and not an issue of proof at all.
You find fault with God for enforcing his laws, yet you would rather burn in hell than worship God.
Another thing, nothing in the Bible nor any legitimate Christian teaching says that all we are going to be doing in heaven is kneeling and groveling to God. Nothing says that, except the devil that uses it to fool you through your carnal and selfish nature...
The word "satan" means adversary, and for one so rebellious and full of pride as to rather burn in hell forever th an to worship God, well, God definitely is your adversary.
=======
I mean, nothing could be more idiotic nor demonic nor un-natural than an "intellectual" who says, "if God exists, I'd rather go to hell than worship him."
You'll regret that, and unfortunately for you, it will be too late to change your mind.
Quantum_Conundrum you don't get it. Nor do I expect you to. Your incredibly small minded dim view of what god truly is I find amazing. you trap the ultimate being within the confines of a humans limitations. You would believe that an ultimate being with ultimate power has an ego that has to be stroked, coddled and pleasured in one fashion or another so that one can transcend to some nirvana.
I look forward to proving you to be totally off the beam. My concept of god is far more reaching than anything your inane bible can ever produce. But here is the point. That is MY experience of god, not yours. and it is simply how I FEEL. but I cannot, nor would I, introduce that gut feeling into a scientific debate, as I have zero prove of that entities existence.
so I keep that separate from science, and enjoy it in my own sense of spirituality. (Which you christians fail to do regularly) You seem to think that I have some adversarial relationship with my concept of god. Nothing could be further from the truth. But I have an incredible distaste for all man made religions that would press their limited views on me in any form or fashion. I find christians to be small minded, petty, controlling, and pretty much an insult to any growth one might have spiritually.
Does that help you with your desire to change my mind. There is a quote out there I use regularly, and will share with you once again.
You are making mock of Me. You are saying that I, God, made inherently imperfect beings, then have demanded of them to be perfect, or face damnation.
You are saying then that, somewhere several thousand years into the world’s experience, I relented, saying that from then on you didn’t necessarily have to be good, you simply had to feel bad when you were not being good, and accept as your savior the One Being who could always be perfect, thus satisfying My hunger for perfection. You are saying that My Son—who you call the One Perfect One—has saved you from your own imperfection—the imperfection I gave you.
In other words, God’s Son has saved you from what His Father did.
I wasn't talking about the LHC, I was talking about Quantum_Conundrum's grasp of the name "God particle".
QUOTE
Trippy had to inform you of what they were doing on the first test.
Quote:
Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory,
Quote:
Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory,
Look again, bozo. Trippy was being sarcastic and issuing a mock statement from ubavontuba.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Trippy had to inform you of what they were doing on the first test. Quote: Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory, |
Look again, bozo. Trippy was being sarcastic and issuing a mock statement from ubavontuba.
Ubavontuba: "Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory, all it means is that the conditions aren't right yet (Series of personal insults about peoples unwillingness to talk science, Alphanumeric being a chatbot, Rpenner having multiple personalities, and everybody else who disagrees with him being ignorant, incompetant or both)."
...Not to mention that much of the public's fear of the LHC was centered on the first test on Wednesday.
QUOTE
I think you just love to make others wrong!
It's not too hard when people start quoting the Bible to back up their assertions on a physics forum.
"I wasn't talking about the LHC, I was talking about Quantum_Conundrum's grasp of the name "God particle"."
Place this name in Idiot's Hall of a Fame.
Place this name in Idiot's Hall of a Fame.
The mad CERN’s project.
This week's startup of Europe's Large Hadron Collider didn't generate
a big bang or a black hole, but it did generate a big reaction from folks
who followed our series on the "Big Bang Machine."
More than 40,000 people voiced their opinion by clicking through
our unscientific survey or by discussing the issues in online forums.
Full Story:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...12/1386080.aspx
===============..
The mad CERN’s way.
In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the target. Bomb them!
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
========= .. ========.
Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
========== .. ===============.
Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to succeed?
As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
========== . ======== .
The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
===========..
The Universe as whole is Vacuum, at first of everything.
So, instead of understand that Vacuum, Electron, Proton are
themselves, the physicists break them in the pieces.
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
http://www.wbabin.net
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
This week's startup of Europe's Large Hadron Collider didn't generate
a big bang or a black hole, but it did generate a big reaction from folks
who followed our series on the "Big Bang Machine."
More than 40,000 people voiced their opinion by clicking through
our unscientific survey or by discussing the issues in online forums.
Full Story:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...12/1386080.aspx
===============..
The mad CERN’s way.
In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the target. Bomb them!
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
========= .. ========.
Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
========== .. ===============.
Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to succeed?
As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
========== . ======== .
The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
===========..
The Universe as whole is Vacuum, at first of everything.
So, instead of understand that Vacuum, Electron, Proton are
themselves, the physicists break them in the pieces.
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
http://www.wbabin.net
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
QUOTE (s0cratus+Sep 15 2008, 06:17 AM)
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
Beautiful philosophy.
Somebody wrote to me:
“You haven't completely understood what happens in those accelerators.
They do not smash atoms and elementary particles to see what's inside of them (like you proposed in your "smashing a watch" example). We already know what is in a proton, for example. It's quarks by the way.
What they try to do is create an environment where a collision between particles will occur, creating massive amounts of energy. That energy will CREATE new particles out of nothing, according to the E=mc^2 formula. Because of the amount of the energy in that accelerator, it has been speculated that the higgs boson will come into existence.
The higgs boson is the only particle predicted by the standard model (physics) which has not yet been observed.
I hope my answer has helped you, and i wish you have an open mind in your searches, best wishes “
======================..
Once again:
That energy will CREATE new particles out of nothing,
according to the E=mc^2 formula.
=======..
So, the process is going in Vacuum.
My question is: “ How in Vacuum ( without accelerators) the
God-particles are born according to the E=mc^2 formula, of course ? “
===================
“You haven't completely understood what happens in those accelerators.
They do not smash atoms and elementary particles to see what's inside of them (like you proposed in your "smashing a watch" example). We already know what is in a proton, for example. It's quarks by the way.
What they try to do is create an environment where a collision between particles will occur, creating massive amounts of energy. That energy will CREATE new particles out of nothing, according to the E=mc^2 formula. Because of the amount of the energy in that accelerator, it has been speculated that the higgs boson will come into existence.
The higgs boson is the only particle predicted by the standard model (physics) which has not yet been observed.
I hope my answer has helped you, and i wish you have an open mind in your searches, best wishes “
======================..
Once again:
That energy will CREATE new particles out of nothing,
according to the E=mc^2 formula.
=======..
So, the process is going in Vacuum.
My question is: “ How in Vacuum ( without accelerators) the
God-particles are born according to the E=mc^2 formula, of course ? “
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QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 13 2008, 05:01 PM)
No, they won't find a "God particle".
God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.
Also, particles and fields cannot be fundamental because they have "more fundamental" properties.
Depends on your definition of god, eh?
God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.
Also, particles and fields cannot be fundamental because they have "more fundamental" properties.
Depends on your definition of god, eh?
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 13 2008, 08:03 PM)
They aren't going to find a fundamental particle, or a fundamental anything "within" the universe.
What is is what is.
Atheists have chosen to reject the one True fundamental: Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He made all things...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."
"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes on him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
"God did not send his son to condemn the world...(for) whoever does not believe is condemned already."
"I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Jesus: Nothing is more fundamental. Nothing is more elemental.
If you want to know fundamental reality, its as simple as a prayer to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, for "Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved."
Postmodern physics is a "well without water" and a "wandering star", and "ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
God has said to those who will come unto to Him, "I will restore the years that the locust and the palmerworm and the cankerworm have eaten," and "I will pour waters upon your dry and thirsty souls," and "everything shall live where the river comes."
"The time is fulfilled...Repent and believe the Gospel."
Take up the Cross and follow Jesus, "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
Yep, christ on a stick does nothing for me...
guess that means I burn in hades forever... and you know? Given the alternative, I'll take that option versus sitting around with a bunch of blissed out baboons singing "Amazing Grace" in the key of G while strumming harps and relishing in the fact that all of gods enemies are burning in a lake of fire somewhere...
and I suspect you christians are going to be in for a rude shock when you find out your definition of god is more like the definition of satan himself. You guys used to astound me, now it only irritates me.
MM
What is is what is.
Atheists have chosen to reject the one True fundamental: Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He made all things...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."
"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes on him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
"God did not send his son to condemn the world...(for) whoever does not believe is condemned already."
"I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Jesus: Nothing is more fundamental. Nothing is more elemental.
If you want to know fundamental reality, its as simple as a prayer to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, for "Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved."
Postmodern physics is a "well without water" and a "wandering star", and "ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
God has said to those who will come unto to Him, "I will restore the years that the locust and the palmerworm and the cankerworm have eaten," and "I will pour waters upon your dry and thirsty souls," and "everything shall live where the river comes."
"The time is fulfilled...Repent and believe the Gospel."
Take up the Cross and follow Jesus, "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
Yep, christ on a stick does nothing for me...
guess that means I burn in hades forever... and you know? Given the alternative, I'll take that option versus sitting around with a bunch of blissed out baboons singing "Amazing Grace" in the key of G while strumming harps and relishing in the fact that all of gods enemies are burning in a lake of fire somewhere...
and I suspect you christians are going to be in for a rude shock when you find out your definition of god is more like the definition of satan himself. You guys used to astound me, now it only irritates me.
MM
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 13 2008, 02:03 PM)
Take up the Cross and follow Jesus, "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
Whatever your thoughts are, to assume Christ meant to follow him by becoming a crucified martyr is just plain misinterpretation. Remember? He died on our behalf so we don't need to "take up the cross". But then, many will continue to worship with the morbidity of shock and awe as they place within the walls of their churches for the children to see all the blood and gore present in a crucifixion scenario.
now, about the OP. Cern will provide both more answers to existing questions and more questions to existing answers.
Whatever your thoughts are, to assume Christ meant to follow him by becoming a crucified martyr is just plain misinterpretation. Remember? He died on our behalf so we don't need to "take up the cross". But then, many will continue to worship with the morbidity of shock and awe as they place within the walls of their churches for the children to see all the blood and gore present in a crucifixion scenario.
now, about the OP. Cern will provide both more answers to existing questions and more questions to existing answers.
will there be more new answers or more new questions?
QUOTE (buttershug+Sep 15 2008, 07:43 PM)
will there be more new answers or more new questions?
There will be more new questions, because unbelievers are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
There will be more new questions, because unbelievers are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
QUOTE (Bloy+Sep 15 2008, 04:34 PM)
Whatever your thoughts are, to assume Christ meant to follow him by becoming a crucified martyr is just plain misinterpretation. Remember? He died on our behalf so we don't need to "take up the cross". But then, many will continue to worship with the morbidity of shock and awe as they place within the walls of their churches for the children to see all the blood and gore present in a crucifixion scenario.
Jesus said to "Deny yourself and take up the cross and follow me daily."
I did not make that up and neither did the Church.
Paul wrote, "I die daily..." and "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live."
"Deny yourself" does not mean asceticism.
It means admit you cannot live up to God's standard of righteousness.
It means to deny your self efforts and self worth. It actually means to place ones faith solely in the fact that Jesus paid it all, "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was contrary to us, taking it out of the way, nailing it to his cross."
Jesus said to "Deny yourself and take up the cross and follow me daily."
I did not make that up and neither did the Church.
Paul wrote, "I die daily..." and "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live."
"Deny yourself" does not mean asceticism.
It means admit you cannot live up to God's standard of righteousness.
It means to deny your self efforts and self worth. It actually means to place ones faith solely in the fact that Jesus paid it all, "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was contrary to us, taking it out of the way, nailing it to his cross."
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 16 2008, 01:23 AM)
There will be more new questions, because unbelievers are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
So the cry goes up: "Stay ignorant for god and country!", heh?
Try the other one; it has bells on, mate! hehehe.
Really, QC.....give it a rest. It's NOT helping you or your religion to unwittingly highlight such things as are implied by your posted snippets.
Cheers!
RC.
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So the cry goes up: "Stay ignorant for god and country!", heh?
Try the other one; it has bells on, mate! hehehe.
Really, QC.....give it a rest. It's NOT helping you or your religion to unwittingly highlight such things as are implied by your posted snippets.
Cheers!
RC.
.
QUOTE
Yep, christ on a stick does nothing for me...
guess that means I burn in hades forever... and you know? Given the alternative, I'll take that option versus sitting around with a bunch of blissed out baboons singing "Amazing Grace" in the key of G while strumming harps and relishing in the fact that all of gods enemies are burning in a lake of fire somewhere...
guess that means I burn in hades forever... and you know? Given the alternative, I'll take that option versus sitting around with a bunch of blissed out baboons singing "Amazing Grace" in the key of G while strumming harps and relishing in the fact that all of gods enemies are burning in a lake of fire somewhere...
Well, there you have it. You just proved that it is a moral issue for you to believe, and not an issue of proof at all.
You find fault with God for enforcing his laws, yet you would rather burn in hell than worship God.
Another thing, nothing in the Bible nor any legitimate Christian teaching says that all we are going to be doing in heaven is kneeling and groveling to God. Nothing says that, except the devil that uses it to fool you through your carnal and selfish nature...
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Yep, christ on a stick does nothing for me... guess that means I burn in hades forever... and you know? Given the alternative, I'll take that option versus sitting around with a bunch of blissed out baboons singing "Amazing Grace" in the key of G while strumming harps and relishing in the fact that all of gods enemies are burning in a lake of fire somewhere... |
Well, there you have it. You just proved that it is a moral issue for you to believe, and not an issue of proof at all.
You find fault with God for enforcing his laws, yet you would rather burn in hell than worship God.
Another thing, nothing in the Bible nor any legitimate Christian teaching says that all we are going to be doing in heaven is kneeling and groveling to God. Nothing says that, except the devil that uses it to fool you through your carnal and selfish nature...
and I suspect you christians are going to be in for a rude shock when you find out your definition of god is more like the definition of satan himself. You guys used to astound me, now it only irritates me.
The word "satan" means adversary, and for one so rebellious and full of pride as to rather burn in hell forever th an to worship God, well, God definitely is your adversary.
=======
I mean, nothing could be more idiotic nor demonic nor un-natural than an "intellectual" who says, "if God exists, I'd rather go to hell than worship him."
You'll regret that, and unfortunately for you, it will be too late to change your mind.
QUOTE
So the cry goes up: "Stay ignorant for god and country!", heh?
I never said that, but you miss the point.
You seek the origins of the universe, and He is right under your very nose and speaks to you daily, and atheists ignore him, and claim he doesn't exist.
But I assure you, he does.
This petty experiment will do nothing in the long run.
To quote a video game I've played more than a few times, "your violence, young prodigal, is typical and is a reflection of your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things."
So what if you find another particle? It won't change anything. Man is still trying to build the same old tower of Babel, "let us make us a name for ourselves," when God had already named them "Adam".
We're nothing but dirt and water really, and do you presume to try to understand the universe and the God who made it?
Nobody preaches ignorance, but the fact remains, your petty attempts to understand how God created the universe(particularly while denying his very existence) are vain.
There could be trillions of hidden levels of reality below the subatomic level and beyond anything you coudl possibly concieve, beyond anything you, or any finite intelligence, could possibly memorize or describe or understand in a thousand lifetimes.
"Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh."
Hey, I'll give you this.
I have no doubt they'll discover some more particles and waves and whatever, and this allow them to make even more gadgets, but no, they will not uncover the secrets of the universe, nor will man ever do so in a million years, if so be that the Lord tarry that long (and if so be that man doesn't murder himself in that time).
Post modern science seeks to undertand the universe for the ultimate goal of controlling that universe and reshaping it in the image of man.
Even if you do discover something revolutionary and entirely "elegant" and more simple than I imagine, God will simply kick you back down, at some point, as he did at Babel.
As stated, we are "man", "adam", and not God. Our realm is here, in the macro scopic, secondary reality we inhabit. We are not "gods" and we never will be. Ten particle colliders a thousand times bigger than this one, or some other vain gadget, still wont change that fact.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 16 2008, 02:07 AM)
I never said that, but you miss the point.
You seek the origins of the universe, and He is right under your very nose and speaks to you daily, and atheists ignore him, and claim he doesn't exist.
But I assure you, he does.
This petty experiment will do nothing in the long run.
To quote a video game I've played more than a few times, "your violence, young prodigal, is typical and is a reflection of your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things."
So what if you find another particle? It won't change anything. Man is still trying to build the same old tower of Babel, "let us make us a name for ourselves," when God had already named them "Adam".
We're nothing but dirt and water really, and do you presume to try to understand the universe and the God who made it?
Nobody preaches ignorance, but the fact remains, your petty attempts to understand how God created the universe(particularly while denying his very existence) are vain.
There could be trillions of hidden levels of reality below the subatomic level and beyond anything you coudl possibly concieve, beyond anything you, or any finite intelligence, could possibly memorize or describe or understand in a thousand lifetimes.
"Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh."
Hey, I'll give you this.
I have no doubt they'll discover some more particles and waves and whatever, and this allow them to make even more gadgets, but no, they will not uncover the secrets of the universe, nor will man ever do so in a million years, if so be that the Lord tarry that long (and if so be that man doesn't murder himself in that time).
Post modern science seeks to undertand the universe for the ultimate goal of controlling that universe and reshaping it in the image of man.
Even if you do discover something revolutionary and entirely "elegant" and more simple than I imagine, God will simply kick you back down, at some point, as he did at Babel.
As stated, we are "man", "adam", and not God. Our realm is here, in the macro scopic, secondary reality we inhabit. We are not "gods" and we never will be. Ten particle colliders a thousand times bigger than this one, or some other vain gadget, still wont change that fact.
Remember, QC, that it is THE GETTING OF WISDOM that distinguishes humans from the PROGRAMMED MACHINE and the LOWER ANIMALS.
Like children must come to find out FOR THEMSELVES....humanity must do likewise.
It is the JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY that makes life bearable.
If your god DIDN'T want you to LEARN ABOUT THE UNIVERSE....he would have LEFT OUT YOUR BRAIN AND ALL THE HIGHER FACULTIES that EMERGE with it.
And besides all that, how would we know what is 'under our noses' if we didn't LOOK around us?
And if we look around us, we cannot PREJUDGE that which WE MIGHT FIND.....whatever it turns out to BE in FUTURE in reality.
See?
If you once ALLOW for humans TO 'see', then we must BE ALLOWED TO 'see' FOR OURSELVES....with the faculties 'your god' has supposedly provided us with.
Else we will be mere automatons....and imperfect automatons at that.
See?
Give it up, mate....it's too complicated for your kind of facile 'treatments' and 'rationalisations' and 'proselitysing' and 'parrotting' and just plain ignoring of the reality of what it IS to BE 'human'.
Cheers and please don't take the lazy/morbid path to knowledge.....stop and 'smell the roses' IN REALITY...and not 'sleepwalk' in bizzare fantasies; for in those bizzare fantasies, nothing can match THE REAL THING for true wonder and joy (especially the joy of learning/discovery for real).
Good luck and good thinking, mate.....and goodnight from me!
RC.
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What was before: “ big bang” or vacuum ?
============.
The physicists created the “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look how our physicists made this accelerator.
Before they made vacuum and after they generate big reaction
between two meeting particles, some small imitation of “ big bang”.
They didn’t make this process vice versa.
So, what was before in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum ?
==========================
============.
The physicists created the “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look how our physicists made this accelerator.
Before they made vacuum and after they generate big reaction
between two meeting particles, some small imitation of “ big bang”.
They didn’t make this process vice versa.
So, what was before in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum ?
==========================
QUOTE (s0cratus+Sep 16 2008, 05:20 AM)
What was before: “ big bang” or vacuum ?
============.
The physicists created the “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look how our physicists made this accelerator.
Before they made vacuum and after they generate big reaction
between two meeting particles, some small imitation of “ big bang”.
They didn’t make this process vice versa.
So, what was before in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum ?
==========================
Before was our sins.Then the God has created the Universe for isolation of sinners.
The God has created vacuum, we know that precisely.People have created the theory of the big bang,maybe the God did not do that.
============.
The physicists created the “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look how our physicists made this accelerator.
Before they made vacuum and after they generate big reaction
between two meeting particles, some small imitation of “ big bang”.
They didn’t make this process vice versa.
So, what was before in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum ?
==========================
Before was our sins.Then the God has created the Universe for isolation of sinners.
The God has created vacuum, we know that precisely.People have created the theory of the big bang,maybe the God did not do that.
QUOTE (dimazin+Sep 16 2008, 09:08 AM)
People have created the theory of the big bang,maybe the God did not do that.
You wrong. The God did the “ big bang”.
Here is the scientific proof:
Action, when the God opens his palm,
have named the “Big Bang”.
And action, when the God compresses his palm,
have named " a single point”.
And Church agrees with this proof.
Does God used the Big Bang to create the universe ?
The Catholic Church, which put Galileo under house arrest for daring
to say that Earth orbits the sun, isn't known for easily accepting new
scientific ideas. So it came as a surprise when Pope Pius XII declared
his approval in 1951 of a brand new cosmological theory — the Big Bang.
The Catholic Church then adopted the theory of — the Big Bang .
Strange that the Catholic Church should adopt a Physics theory
....but it was basing its Scientific Beliefs and Religious Beliefs
there was now a split between Religion and Science
which started from Galileo's Trial, and which has never been healed.
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/
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You wrong. The God did the “ big bang”.
Here is the scientific proof:
Action, when the God opens his palm,
have named the “Big Bang”.
And action, when the God compresses his palm,
have named " a single point”.
And Church agrees with this proof.
Does God used the Big Bang to create the universe ?
The Catholic Church, which put Galileo under house arrest for daring
to say that Earth orbits the sun, isn't known for easily accepting new
scientific ideas. So it came as a surprise when Pope Pius XII declared
his approval in 1951 of a brand new cosmological theory — the Big Bang.
The Catholic Church then adopted the theory of — the Big Bang .
Strange that the Catholic Church should adopt a Physics theory
....but it was basing its Scientific Beliefs and Religious Beliefs
there was now a split between Religion and Science
which started from Galileo's Trial, and which has never been healed.
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/
==============..
dimazin,s0cratus
Have you considered starting a topic for your discussion?
Have you considered starting a topic for your discussion?
The claim that this thing is going to "recreate the conditions of the Big Bang" or rather, "The conditions shortly after the Big Bang," are false.
Even if we pretend the Big Bang actually happened, your pathetic little accelerator isn't going to be able to produce anything even remotely like the conditions "shortly after the Big Bang", and will never be able to produce the conditions of the Big Bang itself.
Even if you find another particle or wave, it won't "prove", except that there is another particle or wave.
This will not "prove" the Big Bang, nor is it even evidence of a Big Bang, if such a particle or wave exists.
Even if we pretend the Big Bang actually happened, your pathetic little accelerator isn't going to be able to produce anything even remotely like the conditions "shortly after the Big Bang", and will never be able to produce the conditions of the Big Bang itself.
Even if you find another particle or wave, it won't "prove", except that there is another particle or wave.
This will not "prove" the Big Bang, nor is it even evidence of a Big Bang, if such a particle or wave exists.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 16 2008, 01:23 AM)
There will be more new questions, because unbelievers are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
Whereas the True Believers are always diverging from one another more and more, dispute having an Omnipotent being guiding them.
Whereas the True Believers are always diverging from one another more and more, dispute having an Omnipotent being guiding them.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Sep 16 2008, 01:45 AM)
Well, there you have it. You just proved that it is a moral issue for you to believe, and not an issue of proof at all.
You find fault with God for enforcing his laws, yet you would rather burn in hell than worship God.
Another thing, nothing in the Bible nor any legitimate Christian teaching says that all we are going to be doing in heaven is kneeling and groveling to God. Nothing says that, except the devil that uses it to fool you through your carnal and selfish nature...
The word "satan" means adversary, and for one so rebellious and full of pride as to rather burn in hell forever th an to worship God, well, God definitely is your adversary.
=======
I mean, nothing could be more idiotic nor demonic nor un-natural than an "intellectual" who says, "if God exists, I'd rather go to hell than worship him."
You'll regret that, and unfortunately for you, it will be too late to change your mind.
Quantum_Conundrum you don't get it. Nor do I expect you to. Your incredibly small minded dim view of what god truly is I find amazing. you trap the ultimate being within the confines of a humans limitations. You would believe that an ultimate being with ultimate power has an ego that has to be stroked, coddled and pleasured in one fashion or another so that one can transcend to some nirvana.
I look forward to proving you to be totally off the beam. My concept of god is far more reaching than anything your inane bible can ever produce. But here is the point. That is MY experience of god, not yours. and it is simply how I FEEL. but I cannot, nor would I, introduce that gut feeling into a scientific debate, as I have zero prove of that entities existence.
so I keep that separate from science, and enjoy it in my own sense of spirituality. (Which you christians fail to do regularly) You seem to think that I have some adversarial relationship with my concept of god. Nothing could be further from the truth. But I have an incredible distaste for all man made religions that would press their limited views on me in any form or fashion. I find christians to be small minded, petty, controlling, and pretty much an insult to any growth one might have spiritually.
Does that help you with your desire to change my mind. There is a quote out there I use regularly, and will share with you once again.
You are making mock of Me. You are saying that I, God, made inherently imperfect beings, then have demanded of them to be perfect, or face damnation.
You are saying then that, somewhere several thousand years into the world’s experience, I relented, saying that from then on you didn’t necessarily have to be good, you simply had to feel bad when you were not being good, and accept as your savior the One Being who could always be perfect, thus satisfying My hunger for perfection. You are saying that My Son—who you call the One Perfect One—has saved you from your own imperfection—the imperfection I gave you.
In other words, God’s Son has saved you from what His Father did.
QUOTE (buttershug+Sep 15 2008, 07:43 PM)
will there be more new answers or more new questions?
Yes - to both.
Yes - to both.
QUOTE (gmilam+Sep 16 2008, 09:57 PM)
Yes - to both.
oops sorry I meant more new answers than new questions or vice versa.
oops sorry I meant more new answers than new questions or vice versa.
I personnally do not believe in the God Particle, the Higgs particle, because I think they should already have found it a long time ago. I also do not believe in a graviton to explain gravity ... it is too easy : when you cannot explain something, you just create another something to imagine what happens, but that also does not explain anything.
Maybe the Higgs field exists, if we may call it aether, yes why not .... but particles moving in it and gaining mass ..... I think they then should slow down at some moment ...
No ! I believe only in energy, it's all about energy and vibrations/energy fields !! as I said in another topic, I think MATTER only is existing when mass particles come together to form atoms and molecules and matter is just the new vibration on a different level created by the protons and neutrons and electrons together ... it is the vibration/energy field of the atom, of the molecule ... Mass becomes matter only on atom scale, I think you have MASS particles ( proton, electron, neutron ) and massless ones ( photons ) and when you put mass particles together they form a atom, and that atom IS MATTER.
It becomes matter in the same way that you can feel a resistance when you put 2 magnets positiv against positiv : you feel resistance, the more you want to put them together, the more resistance you feel ... and MATTER IS resistance - it's all a question of vibrations, energy fields.
Photons have NO MASS, but they can give energy to mass particles - electrons - to move on a higher level, and when the electron looses its energy again it gives birth to a photon .... [FONT=Courier][SIZE=7][COLOR=orange]When you knock on matter, you knock on a energy field !! do you really think that your feet are walking on the electrons ( around the nuclei ) of the stones ??[FONT=Courier][SIZE=7][COLOR=orange]. [COLOR=blue]you walk on a energy field created by the ATOM of the stone, the electrons around the nucleus !! otherwise you would smash and crush the atoms !!!!![COLOR=blue]
Maybe the Higgs field exists, if we may call it aether, yes why not .... but particles moving in it and gaining mass ..... I think they then should slow down at some moment ...
No ! I believe only in energy, it's all about energy and vibrations/energy fields !! as I said in another topic, I think MATTER only is existing when mass particles come together to form atoms and molecules and matter is just the new vibration on a different level created by the protons and neutrons and electrons together ... it is the vibration/energy field of the atom, of the molecule ... Mass becomes matter only on atom scale, I think you have MASS particles ( proton, electron, neutron ) and massless ones ( photons ) and when you put mass particles together they form a atom, and that atom IS MATTER.
It becomes matter in the same way that you can feel a resistance when you put 2 magnets positiv against positiv : you feel resistance, the more you want to put them together, the more resistance you feel ... and MATTER IS resistance - it's all a question of vibrations, energy fields.
Photons have NO MASS, but they can give energy to mass particles - electrons - to move on a higher level, and when the electron looses its energy again it gives birth to a photon .... [FONT=Courier][SIZE=7][COLOR=orange]When you knock on matter, you knock on a energy field !! do you really think that your feet are walking on the electrons ( around the nuclei ) of the stones ??[FONT=Courier][SIZE=7][COLOR=orange]. [COLOR=blue]you walk on a energy field created by the ATOM of the stone, the electrons around the nucleus !! otherwise you would smash and crush the atoms !!!!![COLOR=blue]
I repeat and now the colours will work !!!
do you really think that when you walk on the street your feet walk on the electrons ??? no, they walk on a energy field created by the stone atoms, otherwise you would smash and crush the atoms, you would crush the electrons in all ways - for sure you agree with me that this is impossible !?
so Higgs particle is fantasy - energy/vibration is all about !
do you really think that when you walk on the street your feet walk on the electrons ??? no, they walk on a energy field created by the stone atoms, otherwise you would smash and crush the atoms, you would crush the electrons in all ways - for sure you agree with me that this is impossible !?
so Higgs particle is fantasy - energy/vibration is all about !
Without giving way to the mixing of theology with physics, I will say that all of humanity has been "on the make" for one basic and indivisible truth since the beginning. It is highly unlikely that this will be realized. For theology it cannot be realized because it would obviate the need faith. For the physicist it cannot be realized because it would obviate the need to look for the theory of everything. All of these endeavors say volumes about our need to find our place in the universe and thereby gain a greater understanding of ourselves. These endeavors are more alike than discordant. They should seen for what they are, a testament that what we have faith in and what we believe in, matters. Indeed, a celebration of what it means to be human. Without these, then there is nothing. The path is more than the realization ever could be.
Statistically The Higgs might already have been detected.
http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/26/bump-huning-part-2/
http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/26/bump-huning-part-2/
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