What unpredictability about a singularity would we need to be protected from? Do they violate the laws of physics? And we are not allowed to see them so it is somehow OK? If we can't observe it is not a problem?
Stephen Hawking has said that singularities predict the downfall of GR.
QUOTE (Nick+Aug 20 2006, 02:04 AM)
What unpredictability about a singularity would we need to be protected from?
Very easy unpredictability: the chaos. The chaos isn't problem for Universe, just for us, because our observation of reality is based on the inertial, organized waves. Such waves cannot appear in chaotic environment, so we're observing the chaos like the void without physical laws.
The physical system becomes chaotic, whenever the energy transfer speed isn't sufficient to level the concentration gradients inside the system. For example, if we cool the system of molecules under the temperature, where the speed of individual molecules isn't sufficient to level the fluctuations of energy density, so called phase transition occurs (you know, the broken field, symmetry breaking, blah, blah....) and the new phase appears: a better organized molecules in droplets or crystals.
Very easy unpredictability: the chaos. The chaos isn't problem for Universe, just for us, because our observation of reality is based on the inertial, organized waves. Such waves cannot appear in chaotic environment, so we're observing the chaos like the void without physical laws.
The physical system becomes chaotic, whenever the energy transfer speed isn't sufficient to level the concentration gradients inside the system. For example, if we cool the system of molecules under the temperature, where the speed of individual molecules isn't sufficient to level the fluctuations of energy density, so called phase transition occurs (you know, the broken field, symmetry breaking, blah, blah....) and the new phase appears: a better organized molecules in droplets or crystals.
QUOTE (Nick+Aug 20 2006, 02:04 AM)
Stephen Hawking has said that singularities predict the downfall of GR..
Don't scary, Steve is just a zoon politicon. No problem with GR will appear in fact, by the same way, like the AWT doesn't means the end of classical theories. It's just a more general view, then General Relativity, that's all.
The true is, because chaos isn't possible to describe the differential Leibnitz-Newton calculus, the singularity and phase transition makes trouble for all the theories, which are using a differentiable model of continuous environment. But for example, the particle simulations (like the Lattice Boltzmann simulations ) have no problem with singularities at all. This is why I'm considering such models as the most significant for the further understanding of reality. But currently we have no deterministic math for chaos description, just statistical simulations. The picture above illustrates not just the single singularity, but a quite high amount of different phases at the same moment.
Don't scary, Steve is just a zoon politicon. No problem with GR will appear in fact, by the same way, like the AWT doesn't means the end of classical theories. It's just a more general view, then General Relativity, that's all.
The true is, because chaos isn't possible to describe the differential Leibnitz-Newton calculus, the singularity and phase transition makes trouble for all the theories, which are using a differentiable model of continuous environment. But for example, the particle simulations (like the Lattice Boltzmann simulations ) have no problem with singularities at all. This is why I'm considering such models as the most significant for the further understanding of reality. But currently we have no deterministic math for chaos description, just statistical simulations. The picture above illustrates not just the single singularity, but a quite high amount of different phases at the same moment.
What chaos? What is the chaos doing?
QUOTE (Nick+Aug 20 2006, 02:49 AM)
What chaos? What is the chaos doing?
The chaos is making the system indeterministic, it has no past or future, the thermodynamic time arrow stops here. From the inertial wave perspective it's simply void. The only reason, why the surface water waves cannot spread through underwater is the fact, such environment behaves like chaotic system for such waves. As we can see, the chaos has just a relative meaning (like everything in Universe), depending on the scope of system.
It's highly probable, the outside of our Universe is pretty well organized, just by using of physical laws, which aren't applicable to our Universe.
The chaos is making the system indeterministic, it has no past or future, the thermodynamic time arrow stops here. From the inertial wave perspective it's simply void. The only reason, why the surface water waves cannot spread through underwater is the fact, such environment behaves like chaotic system for such waves. As we can see, the chaos has just a relative meaning (like everything in Universe), depending on the scope of system.
It's highly probable, the outside of our Universe is pretty well organized, just by using of physical laws, which aren't applicable to our Universe.
QUOTE (Zephir+)
The chaos is making the system indeterministic
How does the singularity do that?
If it is no longer orderly anything in the vicinity might be effected. What is wrong with it effecting things? Maybe we simply can't know what the singularities are doing. I can accept other things being influenced by them. It's not a problem for me.
What properties of outside matter are going to be influenced by a singularity?
How does the singularity do that?
If it is no longer orderly anything in the vicinity might be effected. What is wrong with it effecting things? Maybe we simply can't know what the singularities are doing. I can accept other things being influenced by them. It's not a problem for me.
What properties of outside matter are going to be influenced by a singularity?
QUOTE (Nick+Aug 20 2006, 04:10 AM)
How does the singularity do that? ... Maybe we simply can't know what the singularities are doing.
Try to explain, why the particles inside the sphere bellow are behaving chaotically. The particles are massive, so they attracts each of other. But at the more close distance they're repelling mutually. Do you remember the water droplets example and space curvature consequence?
Nick, the AWT is classical physic theory, in fact. So if you didn't understood the behavior of water droplet and other subtleties of classical, real life physic, you cannot understand the world, which is separated by the another phase interfaces from your consciousness. If you didn't understand the simple things, how do you want to understand the more complicated ones?
It's virtually impossible. Cosmic censorship hypothesis targets somewhat different problem.
Try to explain, why the particles inside the sphere bellow are behaving chaotically. The particles are massive, so they attracts each of other. But at the more close distance they're repelling mutually. Do you remember the water droplets example and space curvature consequence?
Nick, the AWT is classical physic theory, in fact. So if you didn't understood the behavior of water droplet and other subtleties of classical, real life physic, you cannot understand the world, which is separated by the another phase interfaces from your consciousness. If you didn't understand the simple things, how do you want to understand the more complicated ones?
It's virtually impossible. Cosmic censorship hypothesis targets somewhat different problem.
What's wrong with not knowing what the singularity is doing? Does that violate the laws of physics?
QUOTE (Nick+Aug 20 2006, 06:37 AM)
What's wrong with not knowing what the singularity is doing? Does that violate the laws of physics?
Of course and I can even use it as an example for the explanation of the singularity concept as such. If you pile a lotta people on the single place, the energy of people becomes not sufficient for exchanging all the informations and energy required for keeping it in the stable motion by the same way, like the molecules inside the supercooled liquid. As the result, the behavior of people becomes irrational, they'll become to kill mutually in wars, suicide yourself, organize itself into sects and cults and prepare the revolution, which is normal phase transition from sociobiological perspective... The field formed by social interactions and dependencies simply becomes broken and the members of community will behave by the similar way, like the particles on the above simulation...
Each the non logical and irrational stance is the sign of forthcoming singularity at the local scope. The scrambled behavior of yours is the manifestation of the fact, you're reading & disputing too much without true consequences understanding and you have a more information, than ability to assemble it into logical structures by the same way, like some molecule can have a more potential energy then kinetic energy.
After all, the local phase transition are quite common in Aether. By AWT the formation and annihilation of virtual particle pairs in vacuum or the vortices in the turbulent fluid can be described in terms of local condensation and evaporation, i.e. by the temporary formation of the local singularities. Now you can understand more easily, why the AWT serves as a "theory of everything".
Of course and I can even use it as an example for the explanation of the singularity concept as such. If you pile a lotta people on the single place, the energy of people becomes not sufficient for exchanging all the informations and energy required for keeping it in the stable motion by the same way, like the molecules inside the supercooled liquid. As the result, the behavior of people becomes irrational, they'll become to kill mutually in wars, suicide yourself, organize itself into sects and cults and prepare the revolution, which is normal phase transition from sociobiological perspective... The field formed by social interactions and dependencies simply becomes broken and the members of community will behave by the similar way, like the particles on the above simulation...
Each the non logical and irrational stance is the sign of forthcoming singularity at the local scope. The scrambled behavior of yours is the manifestation of the fact, you're reading & disputing too much without true consequences understanding and you have a more information, than ability to assemble it into logical structures by the same way, like some molecule can have a more potential energy then kinetic energy.
After all, the local phase transition are quite common in Aether. By AWT the formation and annihilation of virtual particle pairs in vacuum or the vortices in the turbulent fluid can be described in terms of local condensation and evaporation, i.e. by the temporary formation of the local singularities. Now you can understand more easily, why the AWT serves as a "theory of everything".
Nick,
Don't fret mate, my model estimates your body has around 10^27 wavicles, each producing singularities at a rate of trillions + per second
Don't fret mate, my model estimates your body has around 10^27 wavicles, each producing singularities at a rate of trillions + per second
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