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DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 11:49 AM)
So, if electric fields don't exist, how do capacitors work. You can't "store" charge with a magnet.

In one electrode is more ions and in over more atoms with electrons. Here electrons and ions have diferent rotating magnetic field, that if they going to each over atracting and if going in same dirrection - pushing. I say this many times...
excaza
Do you even know what a capacitor is?
DavidD
QUOTE (SirShanson+Aug 1 2008, 11:39 AM)
Your so thick I want to cry. mad.gif

SirS

You should say it laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Ron
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 12:39 PM)
Do you even know what a capacitor is?

Of course.
What can I say more? All chemistry understanding is wrong! Experiments probably good, but all chemistry understanding is mostly wrong...
excaza
Well then, what is it?
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 12:46 PM)
Well then, what is it?

ramblions rambling...
excaza
What is a capacitor DavidD?
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 12:54 PM)
What is a capacitor DavidD?

In one capsitor electron is more ramblions which creating clowise magnetic field and in over electrode is more ramblions which creating conterclockwise magnetic field, if assume, that each ramblion flying in same direction. Ramblions can change they magnetic field direction only if they somewhy stoping, what is very unlikely, because in atom ramblions rotating about each over with diferent magnetic field orenatations and actualy thats how is created atom...
Capacitor is device, which can hold in one electrode more one type ramblions and in over over type ramblions and between electrodes is some distance...
excaza
QUOTE (DavidD+Aug 1 2008, 08:01 AM)
Capacitor is device, which can hold in one electrode more one type ramblions and in over over type ramblions and between electrodes is some distance...

No.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 01:08 PM)
No.

yes.
excaza
No. A capacitor doesn't hold anything in the electrodes.
Ron
QUOTE (DavidD+Aug 1 2008, 01:01 PM)
In one capsitor electron is more ramblions which creating clowise magnetic field and in over electrode is more ramblions which creating conterclockwise magnetic field, if assume, that each ramblion flying in same direction. Ramblions can change they magnetic field direction only if they somewhy stoping, what is very unlikely, because in atom ramblions rotating about each over with diferent magnetic field orenatations and actualy thats how is created atom...
Capacitor is device, which can hold in one electrode more one type ramblions and in over over type ramblions and between electrodes is some distance...

David,
Seriously. Now you're just pulling stuff out of nowhere to support your theory.
How can 2 plates, separated by a dielectric stop DC current flow while allowing AC flow, if the carriers are Rambillons. An entire atom cannot move through (simplified dynamic) a dielectric at a rate determined exactly by [1/2pi x f c]. I don't follow.
Peace,
Ron
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 01:30 PM)
No.  A capacitor doesn't hold anything in the electrodes.

Then you don't know what is capasitor.
QUOTE
David,
Seriously. Now you're just pulling stuff out of nowhere to support your theory.
How can 2 plates, separated by a dielectric stop DC current flow while allowing AC flow, if the carriers are Rambillons. An entire atom cannot move through (simplified dynamic) a dielectric at a rate determined exactly by [1/2pi x f c]. I don't follow.
Peace,
Ron

I don't hope somthing smart from you...
Ramblions working like charges. I don't know how after so much time explaining can be more any questions? Probably kid would understood it yet. Or over gay...
Ramblions creating atoms, there somthing similar like two rings, one ring is smaler and over is bigger and this is two ramblions, smaller ring which is inside bigger ring is ramblion which rotates in say cklockwise direction and outide ring rotates in conterclowise direction, thus this rings are ramblions which generating magnetic field and thos two ramblions when they flying to some direction magnetic field is pointers in oposit direction and thus with rings scheme they atracting each over, when by flying in oposit directions, this is equivalent to proton and electron. If there is AC "electric field" then in some place is more "electron" type ramblions and in some place is more "proton" type ramblions and thus there one type ramblions going to... Hm... Realy, if there is ions then they field seems changing, because proton type ramblions in atoms rotates, but there is probably over process: proton type ramblions oing to electron type ramblions directly in wire and then wire heats... Then in wire should be more and more ramblions, when current going, then in wire is produced hydrogen atoms, which are pushed away by chemical forces and decaying or somthing... But how then electric field emiting electrons in CRT monitors? If electrons are emited then over electrons pushing them and since over electrons rotates then they sometiems pushing and sometiems atracting, if they moving in same direction (by vectors...) then they atracting, but more they becoming atract, we weaker atraction is and then becoming push... But if pushing (going in oposit directions) then atractions no and no any slowdown and this explains all about what I for a moment doubted... So (shortly) "electrons" (ramblions type) pushing more strongly than atracting... Because atraction killing iteself and becoming pushing and pushing always is pushing. Here I will show diagram:
---------A--------T-------R------C-----T----I---N--G-
---------P---------U---------S---------H---------I---------N---------G---------
Pushing force never loosing energy like atraction force, because bigger atraction cousing biger moment to oposit direction and smaller speed to same direction causing smaller atraction and pusing force is only stronger depending on bigger speed! So since all ramblions rotates in circles, then negative say ions have pushing and atraction cicles, but in pushing cicles force is bigger, because speed increasing and not decreasing like in atraction case. I need to try it explain with math:
pushing force is ... No, I it will not explain with simple, much, because probably need diferentiations and integrations, beacuse distance changings and force also...
I need to think more about this... I see only one simple answer if there is flying two types of ramblions "electrons" and "protons" to each voer even in catode-anode lamp. There no one type ramblions in wire! Holes in semiconductors and wires are over type ramblions!
Also possible, that electrolize is freelizing protons, because there going two types ramblions and then seems, don't need, protons, but no... What if in water actualy just fussing two types ramblions like in wire and since they can't escape from water there going out Hydrogen-2 (electron and proton pari-atom). Actualy I don't imagine how it is possible to somewhere to use this "proton-electron pair", because for creating water need oxygen and free protons. Except maybe if electron type ramblions in chemical reaction with oxygen flying away and proton type ramblions creating water with oxygen. Not stupid rolleyes.gif
Ron
I'm sorry if I spoke over your head, but don't underestimate others that you know nothing of.
I've been working with Advanced device semiconductors and MMIC's for 12 + years. You have nothing on me. Please don't insult when your knowledge is surpassed.
Peace,
Ron
DavidD
QUOTE (Ron+Aug 1 2008, 03:27 PM)
I'm sorry if I spoke over your head, but don't underestimate others that you know nothing of.
I've been working with Advanced device semiconductors and MMIC's for 12 + years. You have nothing on me. Please don't insult when your knowledge is surpassed.
Peace,
Ron

Your knowlegdes is 0 comparing with my super theory!
excaza
You haven't provided any experiments to prove your "theory" yet, so you have 0 theory. I even gave you an experiment that would validate part of it, but you refuse.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 1 2008, 04:05 PM)
You haven't provided any experiments to prove your "theory" yet, so you have 0 theory. I even gave you an experiment that would validate part of it, but you refuse.

Yes, I also thinking how to explain with my theory electralization of some objects, but now I trying to find more information about it... It seems, that you taking two matters then between them is friction doing to motion and one matter becoming electrilized positivly and over negatively...
DavidD
I know how to explain electrolization! When there is friction and motion in oposit direction then ramblions of electron type going to ramblions of over type and since one material is more still little bit sensitive to some type "charge" (ramblions), then there is electrolization.
DavidD
Okay, here is my fantasies, but it can be real model of ramblions and bubeons and everything...
If ramblion becoming to move then around his motion axis becoming vibration of bubeleons in one of two directions (if in one direction then "proton" and if in over - then "electron"). Possible that there moving even not one ramblion but bounch of them, but they still doing bubleons vibration in same way... So if vibration (rotation) of two ramblions is in same direction and if they flying both in same direction then they vibrations "inducing' ramblion(s) in center by bouncing with like was shown in diagram directions and then ramblion becoming to each over closer, but if they moving to each over then loosing energy, because they forces becoming atraction and in such forces they becoming to push (if ramblion type is the same). And if moving two diferent type ramblions in diferent directions then they atracting each over untill completly stoping or making hydrogen atom (with one electron and proton and with mass of two ramblions). Then they actualy don't stoping, but rotates in rings scheme, where inside ring rotates in oposit direction relative to outside ring, because only in such mechanism can be atraction and some energy and thats what actualy is tornado of ramblions (and smallest spheres and bubleons...)... One ramblion in ring principle don't rotates, because in some moment can match over ramblion atraction force and then two diferent type ramblions will go to each over untill don't create hydrogen atom. So seems, that hydrogen atom can be of any energy and this explains not quantized spectrum of deuterium... As I say, possible that there is this motions with many ramblions and thats what can be uncertainty principle, but there still is like big wave insteade some colapse... Ramblions possible don't traveling in physical space but through bubleons impulse is given from one ramblion to over adn then it possible no then any resistance of space (bubleons). Isn't it brilian? Then bubleons can consist of much less smallest spheres than I sugegst previously. Say bubleon consist of 100-10000 smallest sphers (balls) and ramblion of milions balls. Or then maybe at all don't need bubleons? ph34r.gif But no, beacuse then it seems crazy how is diferent between particles like 'electrons'/'protons' and 'magnetic' waves. Or then just any small(short) wave is ramblions and long waves are magnetic waves. But how then magnetic waves is not atracting each over and by over waves? Well, maybe this is exactly what people calling interference? unsure.gif cool.gif Then interference spreading like very big atom and becoming like some fluctation of all space... Damn, this theory is so briliant! blink.gif All atoms are just coherent precise energy particles and if they speed energy decrease and will change then, well, will be random overfluctation of universe and everything will disapear so after big bang it create somehow very perfect speed of ramblions... I don't hope, that it is possible to explain universe without bubleons, but seems it is possible only with smallest balls! Okay, now, one question? Why magnetic waves don't fussing in one direction and don't loosing they energy (if they magnetic fields rotations is in same direction)? They must atract each over and to loose they energy then... Well, maybe they becoming rotates about each over like ramblions in atoms... Thus it explains waves polarization, like one are like more "positive" and over more "negative", exactly like ions! Then maybe there is realy some photons? But only unclear they colapse... Colapse realy don't exist... Just in one place more energy than in over to absorb point... or maybe there just becoming very much photons-ions? Then colapse is realy possible (because not all going at same distance...). But how then waves can't travel faster than light, but particles can? Well, possible that bubleons exist... Or sometimes light can travel faster... And ther eis waverage speed of light or somthing... Then ramblions in atoms possible rotates much faster than light or jsut are smaller (in wavelenght snese)... From one side I don't like bubleons because they are dificult for universe creating sense, but in over sense they more explaining "distance" between particles and waves... Possible that in current waves energy sense speed of light average energy is they c=3*10^8 m/s and some measurements can be not very precisly... Bigger energy stars or somthing can radiate faster light or somthing... But I am wonder how it is possible to measure precisly speed of light? Say after 3000 km in direct light impulse can be measured per 10 ms. Does realy clocks and detectors have such precision range? Or isn't optical fiber don't slowing light, because of many reflections? So I doubt about proper light speed measurment... All depends on energy! wink.gif
DavidD
Seems here I have two possible variants of speed. Since in air sound waves have almost the same speed, then between smallest spheres aslo must be same speed everywhere. So then any particle like electron or proton instantly flying with speed of light, but this is tricky, because big speed don't means big energy. Or then particles can travel with infinity speed. But why then waves can't? Possible, that all particles traveling with speed of light, but not all have the same energy and this energy depends on some interference efects of many particles, which can create over bigger energy particle, possible big bang create this particles (protons and electrons). So why human don't flying with speed of light instantly? Well inside he, everything circulating with speed of light and force which push human loose it energy and thus over forces which don't loose energy inside human and which don't want bluering into bluer energy of waves just fighting for velocity... I mean in human body becoming two speed vectors and one vector is longer and thus human flying with some speed and since all particles rotates fast with c speed then they because of they rotations can't to do somthing instantly and thus human flying slowly. C speed either imposible to reach due some energy reasons or due to relativity of enshtein... Atoms energy better prefer to be chemical reactions and thus protons and electrons don't loosing they energy and don't becoming less energetical, but maybe becoming, but this calls chemical reactions... Possible that throughet stone becoming like long wave with small energy sumarizing all over waves, but his vector to over vectors is comparably small and thus atoms rotationsinside tehm don't flying with speed c. Acutlay it flying, but in one direction more than in over and thus total speed vibration is small... I don't kow maybe there is possible faster than speed travel or maybe not, maybe enshtein was right... Or since there already everything flying at speed c then at speed c object is just more energetical and thus it explains increasing of mass. Hm, seems, I arive to same conclusion like enshtein? rolleyes.gif then now it looks now so stupid E=mc^2.
DavidD
Seems found interesting solution.
So any body, which becoming move, becoming making magnetic field with one of two rotating directions. Bigger speed - stronger magnetic field. Ball or they complect is not object, but is some wave, which becomse like object and becomes ramblion (electron or proton with big energy) or photon (small energy). So photons also acting to magnetic field and 'electric field', but much weaker than electrons or protons. So any big object like stone also generating magnetic field, when flying and he becoming fly with speed of light, but since his molecular atomic ramblionc rotations are random then it don't harry to move with speed of light... And this vector of random direction created magnetic field and inside object many tiny magnetics fields creating some understanding like object mass... Electrons and protons always moving with speed of light. "Faster"(more energetical) particles generating stronger magnetic field, but they are less sensitive to external magnetic field, ebcause they impulse is anyway stronger don't matter that they flying at speed c. And "slower" particles with smaller energy have smaller "mass" and thus less affected by magnetic field of measurment. So that's why electron always measured like electron. No matter what energy have particle or photon, it still will be atracted by lorence force or by electric force by same amount. But since some photons are very long, then they don't doing it... And say 500 nm photon direction changing in magnetic field is hard to registrate and cracnks will still claim, that this was electron or somthing... Also many photons creating they own laws... Diferent polarization photons (dieferent magnetic field directions) pushing each over if they moving in same direction and thus one photon energy increasing and over deacreasing (if one photon fly a little bit mroe distance). If there flying two the same polarization photons and one photon is farther from source than over on x axis in one dimension, then they both lossing energy and actualy thy so much loosing energy untill disapearing (destructive interference). so same polarizations photons traveling a long distance is imposible, because they will disapear and the same is true for electrons say, two electrons in one diemnsion flying will lose both energy and disapear as particles or will reach target only like very weak inrared waves... If there flying two the same polarization paralel particles or photons then they also disapearing after some time. This dispaering becoming with speed of light. If paralel flying two particles or photons with diferent 'polarizations' then they pushing each over and spreading in space without loosing energy. But when they vectors by pushing becoming little bit diferent then they pushing, I think, weaker and don't loosing energy until they directions becoming oposit, but after this time they becoming fery far from each over and almost don't pushing and thus to apear destructive interference is almost imposible. When flying paralel the same polarization particles then they also don't loosing they energy untill don't changing direction to oposit and then they becoming pushing and if pushing then atracting and becoming full destructive interference... If in one dimension flying two photons with same polarizations then they atracting and and thus one photon energy increasing and over photon energy deacreasing untill there becoming one photon (no destructive interference like I say previously). So can interference only paralel phtoons/particles and if one particle is shifted by any amount of space then there more like will not be interference, but just from two particles will become one - more energetical (it about the same polarization particles/photons). So seems interferencing destructively only paralel particles with same and maybe not same polarization. Anyway the same polarization paralel particles destructively interferenceing faster. And not paralel particles with same or not polarization interferencing constructivly at any distance! Polarization here means charge of proton or electron and actual polarization of photon. Paralel particles are only if they distance on x (axis) one dimension is something by wavelenthg of photon/particle.
How about ions? Well, according to my theory ions seems should act the same. The same charge ions flying in paraplel atracting each over and loosing they energy untill they flying directions becoming oposit and they becoming to push and either completly stoping or... Just stoping. So two ions flying paralel just stoping in sapce and exist farther like atoms. If flying in one diemsnion two ions (and thus still one of ions is farther than over) then they atracting and and one ion energy increasing and over deacreasing, untill farther ion stoping and closer ion bouncing in him or flying around or somthing... If it bouncing then after many such bounces deacelerates both ions and stoping/freesing in space (both ions charge is same). Now if flying two ions with diferent charges then if they flying paralel then they pushing each over untill pushing becomes positive and after some time they both stoping in space. If oposit charges ions flying in one dimension then they pushing and thus closer ion deacelerating and farther ion becoming with more energy (and flying rarther and stoped ion don't move anymore).
If the same charges ions flying in oposit directio then there will be the same like with particles/photons, then they pushing and going in oposit direction hapyly without any obstacles... If oposit charges ions going in oposit directions then they atracting and atracting untill they directions changing and then still atracting, ebcause directinos are oposit and then fussing into molecule or somthing...
DavidD
So if gamma rays and visible light realy don't atracted/pushed bymagnetic/electric field, then gamma rays and photons are hydrogens atoms (with one proton and electron of equal mass).
Hydrogen atoms is cread by two oposit polarizations particles/photons, which atracting like I say/show by egdes/sides around flying axis and not in center of this axis and thus it explains why in hydrogen atom electron rotates about proton... It's like two rings, one outside and one inside and they rotates in oposit directions and since they atracting they energy becoming equal because spliting for all atom equaly. So seems, that there no diference who about what rotates, but for explanation of ions and thus quantizations of atoms seems existation of atoms with more protons/electrons than one is nessasary.
Atoms with small energy can't exist, because then they wavelenght will be big and will become some interference... Interference between proton(s) and electron(s) don't becoming in atom, because it shouldn't and wavelenght is small or because there is limit of smallest balls or because hydrogen atoms don't exist and only bigger... Maybe possible, that there can exist bigger than normal atom of say 1 m^3 size, but since bigger energy have smaller wavelenght, then such atoms are with small energy and they don't affecting our live... But I don't negleting, that there can exist paralel smaller energy and bigger atoms worlds laugh.gif But then why we don't see say gnomes worlds or somthing? This is somehow limited with smallest balls finite size or with big bang initial creating of first photons exaclty of energy of most equal to atoms energy, but somewhere 10^100 light years away possible exist civilizations with smaller or bigger atoms... Or some paralell much bigger or much smaller(?) civilaztions and some very equal to as atoms szie civialzations don't exist, possible, because prety equal size atoms like kliing each over and is almost like same interacting system... So if I would be mystificator, I would say, that god sharing souls in say over atoms dimensions, but seems, then still it should day and this is not good for sharing soules... Bigger or smaller civialzatons (universes) should be invisible for us and for they... But why atoms are exactly some energy? Well, maybe they energy somehow stabilizings, by aproximate energy of all earth/galaxy/universe. Cold atoms should become bigger... blink.gif
DavidD
Maybe here found somthing, what was searching for proving my hypothesis, that photons are the same like electrons/protons in magnetic field.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v202/...s/202684a0.html
http://www.lnf.infn.it/sis/seminars/talks/...li_14_12_06.ppt
Not much information, but maybe...
So all particles [proton, electron, photon] flying instantly with speed of light and particles like hydrogen atoms - neutrons don't flying instantly with speed of light, because consist of two photons/particles. So all elementary particles like photons should interact with external magnetic and electric field by flying with c speed. Ions don't flying with c speed, but must be accelerated to this speed.
Possible that when atoms was created where eitehr all particles have the energy and then create atoms or not nessasary they ahve the same energy, but after long time energy become the same... When atoms created then they interacting mostly according to chemical reactions and not expanding or somthing...
So gamma rays can be neutrons -atoms if they realy don't interacting with magnetic and electric field. or they are just too fast and then electrons are negative ions... Alpha particles is positive ions, beacuse in over case (all prtons) there still would be interference and then it would become one particle...
Particulary I now not very imagine how ions are created and atoms either... But maybe in rotating about each over configuration there no some interference effects...

edit: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summa...=10.1.1.48.4226
photon spliting in magnetic field it is due to lorence force of diferent polarization photons or due to by lorence force created rotation and becoming of "spin"...
DavidD
Possible solution, why faster particles weaker interacting with magnetic field. all particles flying close to speed c and some small energy particles flying at much smaller than c speed. This particles have small energy and since they not fast then they rotating magnetic field have more time to interact with environment. Fast particles almost flying with c speed and they magnetic field have less time to interact. I calculate that visible photon energy is ~1 eV and that electron (9.1*10^{-31} kg) with such energy have 6*10^5 m/s speed. So if electron is not negative ion, then possible visible light photon energy is wrongly calculated, because if it flying at c speed then energy should be somthing like electron at c speed energy. Or electron mass is wrong caclaulted. Then possible there no realy any frenquency of waves, but just diference of energy and thus wavelenght... But then radiowaves should fly with smaller than c speed. Maybe they doing this or they energy still enough big to fly with such close to c speed... In atoms possible particles rotates very fast and thus have big mass and thus don't flying with c speed instantly, but must be accelerated. In over words there need evidence, that electron don't flying with speed of light. OR that radiowaves flying with speed of light...
Maybe with this interference theory possible to explain entanglement (if my theory about entanglement is wrong), but seems, that then must depend on orentation in space of polrizer filters, which measuring...
DavidD
BTW, with my no charge theory very easy to explain not only electrization, which can't explain classical theory, probably... but also photoeffect, which can be explained in this way: since electron and photons have the same properties and polarization then this is like there flying toward electrized plate protons, which atracting from it electrons, because diferent direction magnetic field and diferent direction flying particles atracting and thus there goes out electrons and creating neutrons-hydogen atoms with photons-protons thus electrons don;t creating neutrons or hydrogen atoms, because they flying fast in in over direction magnetic field of them is not faster than light, at wchich speed flying electrons and protons stacking into plate and thus goinng current in electric lamp. electron type photons don't deelectrizing plate or catode, because they can't atract protons and they don't creating bigger charge, because interferencing with electrons destructivly (because same polarization photons/particles if don't flying in oposit direction from one point source then interferencing destructivly, because becoming pushing and thus interferencing or if flyin paralele then becomes atracting and thus also interferencing destructivly...). So I explain with my no charge theory photoeffect!
DavidD
I was reading textbook and here was writen that atraction of electric field is w=e*E/m, where e is electron charge, m is electron mass and E is strenght of external electric field. In textbook also writen that force (atraction/pushing - lorence force) is w=e*v*B/m, where v is speed of electron, B - external magnetic field. So atraction of magnetic field also depending on speed of electron and atraction of electric field don't depending on speed of electron. Atraction in magnetic field is right and atraction in electric field is wrong! Force (or energy, whatever...) in electric field on particle (according to my theory) is w=e*v*E/m. So e*E/m is not equal to e*v*E/m and this is very big minus for LHC probably... And also it is big minus for measuring electron mass! Because Tomson measure electron mass by separating (I mean oposit forces vectors) two forces of flying electron w=e*v*B/m and w=e*E/m, but since his separation is wrong, then his conclusions about electron mass is also wrong!!! I don't know maybe over experiments precisly measure electron mass with some over methods, but somewhy I am very doubfull about this! So in LHC they actualy nothing know at what speed flying electron and what force of electric field works/atracting electron! LHC is bullshit! My theory debunks LHC!
And also since nobody then seems don't know electron mass and speed then seems all experiments with acceleration of electrons are nonsenses! Electron possible already traveling at c speed or 0.999*c speed! Bigger electron energy possible depending on little bit closer to c speed and anyway nobody know electron mass and speed (in experiments)!
DavidD
Of course charge of electron don't exist according to my theory and can't be known also, because at bigger speed particle have bigger charge... About charge I now reading some ridiculouse measuring experiment... Exist only some moment of particle/photon or somthing which is like particle mass, which at bigger speed is bigger or maybe just bigger magnetic field have particle at bigger speed and mass the same? Seems more reasonable that at bigger speed particle have bigger mass and bigger magnetic field and bigger "charge"... But seems (from textbook), that electron is atracted and going in same spot don't matter on what speed it have. So then if electron flying almost at c speed then depending on energy/mass is strenght of magnetic field of electron. So then seems resonbale that speed of all particles is almost the same ~(<)c and bigger mass harder to atract, but since is of bigger mass particle bigger magnetic field then electron going to same spot. Another theory should be if electron not always flying at c speed. But then still bigger energy particle have bigger mass and bigger magnetic field and bigger speed. With bigger speed is less time to interact with external magnetic (or electiric) field. But since mass of particle is m_0 and energy of particle is 0.5*v^2 and speed is v, then possible to calculate atraction energy (or force...) w=0.5*v^2 /m_0... Somthing wrong... Magnetic field atraction force is w=e*v*B/m, but since e and m don't exist then need somwhot to create them... Say, that e=v and m=v, then w=e*v*B/m=v*v*B/v=v*B. Seems everything correct! Because at bigger speed is less time like in original official theory! So if particles flying at c speed then w=e*v*B/m=c*c*B/c=c*B and thus don't depending on energy electron will be atracted by same distance. The same for electric field according to my theory!
DavidD
On the over hand I possible somthing missunderstood about electric field, because electron flying in electric field atracting proton polarization photons and flying to them and negative charge electric field pushing electron, because there is emited proton type photons which pushing, because going in same direction.... OR simple electron emiting electron type photons and negative homogenouse electric field also emiting electron type electron and since they directions oposit they pushing.
Since faster electron slower creating ortogonal |_ angles, because of bigger mass then they "charge" strenght is compensated by this and since they going shorter time through electric field then this explains why slower electrons are better atracted. But if electron flying directly into electric field then seems it possible is atracted stronger, but on the over hand it have bigger mass, because mass is according to my theory equal to m=0.5*m_0*v^2, intead m=p=m_0*v. So this then explains that electric field atracting the same like according to official theory. But magnetic field with lorence force also pushing depending on energy, so about electric field somthing wrong and some gaps... Like I think maybe electric field with faster particles less interacting positive photons coming to electron... And faster electrons are smaller like required positive "faster" photons... Or just official electric field theory is wrong...
DavidD
Seems now realy solve problem of charge. And seems it explains why charge don't depending on speed. So charged body radiating it charge protons/photons for example positivly charged body radiating protons in all directions and say in charged body flying electron then those photons which radiated toward electron atracting electron and over protons which radiated from body in same direction in which flying electron are farther and less pushing electron and so electron flying to charged body. In over words if there is positive ions in body and electron is flying to this body then think that in body rotates many positive rings and sometimes they pushing electron and sometimes atracting so if they atracting then they flying toward electron (by rotation) and if pushing then backward, but there is very important trick, that distance is always smaller when protons atracting electron and when flying toward than if flying backward and thus it's creating total atraction of electron by protons!
Now imagine that there is negativly charged body and there actualy is negative ions and so electron flying toward this body then pushing force will be closer, because in oposit direction moving same charges pushing and atraction force will be smaller, because rotated negative electrons about ions will be farther when electron fly in same direction like electron in ion!
And if electron flying backward (from) negative charged body then, hm, seems wrong, except... And wrong previousely, because rotates the same amount distance... Do I realy must agree, that charge exist? At least it is better for current understanding of physics... But spins still don't exist, like I explain previously it quantization with positive charged ions created rotating magnetic field with lorence force of ions in external magnetic field...
But if atoms, vibrating, etc then possible that for possitive charge my explanations was correct, because atraction... but no...
Oh yes, then I continue to explain with radiated positive/negative photons and don't carring why they was radiated...
So radiated negative photon (from negative body) which flying in same direction like negative charge seems atracting it and all energy is transmited to negative photon from electron and this going on many times and seems, that possible electron can't excape, but in over direction which is little bit farter negative photons pushing electron and was possible taht electron moving. So seems here explain electron pushing from negative charge.
Now if electron moving toward negative charged object and it's radiated to electron negative photons and closer photons going to body and at bigger distance from over side photons going from electron in same direction like electron and thus atractin, but since they are farther then they less atracting than going toward negative photons pushing. So thus electron loosing it energy untill becoming pushed in oposit direction. But if electron loosing completly it energy then he disapearing and just is then radiated new electron/negativephoton...(yeah electron don't have E=mc^2 if don't moving). So my this scheme looks somthing not very proved and it is true, but it is in first stadion of development...
Now if electron moving toward positve charged body then positive charged body radiating positive photons which atracting stronger than pushing from farther side... But here is small problem, because positive charged photons when flying to electron then always atracting and even if they "go through each over" then still electron atracting positive photon and thus there should be some fussion of them and destructive interference or hydrogen apearing... so yes probably there would be interference and electron will loose part of it energy and will have the same energy like previously, but for this time he will fly a little bit faster, but possible even this no, because over positive photons which flying in same direction push electron... So seems, taht electron can't be acelerated with positve charged atraction... Is realy my theory is wrong? Let's see what will be if electron flying from positve charged body, then he atracted is smaller than pushed and photons energy becoming electron pushing energy. So possible that electron is then in official physics missinterpretated with proton... So seems there is pushing mechanism for particle, whatever it is... But now if I have this briliant pushing mechanism need to explain why positive photons should be emited from positive charged body. Well, they are not emitted, but like always trying to escape, but always farther photon energy is give to closer photon energy, because theya atracting and over in oposit going direction photons pushing and thus there possible that is some such strange and little bit mysteries mechanism of radiating positive photnons from positve body...
Now if electron going to negative charged body then he is pushed more than atracted and if electron going from negative charged body then he is more atracted than pushed and actualy he becoming negative field of negative body. Only one thing which going to my head is that electron always should disapear if it is not very energetical in any electric field and increase strange of this field and atract or push negavitve/positve body itself... So without previouse mysteries electron pushing negative field and atracting positve field (object).
A little bit mysteries with emited positve/negative photons from positve/negative charged body. Seems need more explanations/clearyications. But seems I give them... Maybe field radieted in e----> <----pppp----> of this part this "pp---->" should be negleted? Seems, that it almost don't have impact.
So is electron have bigger energy if flying to positive charged body? In firsdt stadion seems, taht he is atracted and his energy increasing, but then those two impulses interferenceing destructivly and electron becoming with it previouse energy. So what is my conclusion? Yes, that electric field can change electron distance (can make electron to fly little faster), but can't increase it energy. But isn't this don't seems paradoxical? Thus if positve photons dispaering themselfs by cloer to object photons increasing speed/energy, then electron don't feeling any interfernce and his energy always increasing like falling "official" electron into positve body! Everything correct, because electron mass also increasing and thus everything correct!
So electron (in my theory) mass=speed (m=v), energy=speed (E=v), atractionforce=speed (e=v). So electron flying into positve object according to classical official theory have potention force moment of somthing e*v*E/m, where e is electron charge, v is electron speed and E is electric field stranght and m is electron mass and in my theory e*v*E/m=v*v*E/v=v*E (in non relativistic case) and since in classical official theory e/m=k, because always the same, then for normalization my theory with official, there is k*v*E.
So how to explain previouse post analization do w=e*E/m or w=e*v*E/m ? Well, official theory assumptions most likely are correct, because slower electron better to aligning to electric field , because on ortogonal electron electric field don't working, but such ideal case in nature is imposible... So on faster electron working bigger electric field but because of bigger mass it harder to aling to electric field and thus there is equal all, like imagine, that electron flying at v=10 m/s and have mass of m=10 m/s and flying time t=1 s and now imagine over electron which have speed v=1 m/s and mass m=1 m/s and flying time in electric field is t=10 s, so now, what fill be atraction of first electron by electric field? Well it will be E*v*t/m=E*10*1/10=E, where E is electric field. And what will be atraction of slower electron, it will be this: E*v*t/m=E*1*10/1=10*E, where E is electric field and so atraction of slower partcile will be stronger! And my this theory matching with official theory! and electric field will give for it (slower electron) more energy...
Now if slower and faster electrons falling into positive object, then faster electron energy will be W=E*v^2 *t/m=E*10^2 *1/10=E*10 and slower electron energy will be W=E*v^2 *t/m=E*1^2 *10/1=E*10 and thus energy goten from electric field will be the same, but seems, that there would be initial energy be added v=1 or v=1 to this energy and thus faster electron energy ... ech this is not correct calculations, because there unkwon that time will be and so on... But seems my theory is right and atraction/pushing force depends only time of interaction with electric field and not on energy of particle and energy of particle is ~k*v^2, where k is constant. But then now seems imposible to explain behavior of electron in magnetic field, because bigger mass shouldn't be obstacle... So there seems need somthing like electron mass and electron kinetic energy like m=v and E_k=v^2 and so then behavio of electric field simple can be explained that for bigger mass, hmm, lets calculate... electron atraction is w=E*v^2 *t/v=E*10^2 *1/10=10*E and for slower is w=E*1^2 *10/1=E*10, but this would be tru only if at any angle (ortogonal L to electric field) electron would be atracted with same force, but in real electron atraction depends on it angle with electric field and if angle is 90 deggrees then atraction is 0 and if 0 degrees then atraction is 100% and initialy both electrons flying with atraction angle 89.999999 degrees (because imposible to shot electron in magnetic field with very big precision and precision itself limited by space...), but seems for faster electron angle rotates faster quadraticaly and here I gives up... Somthing must be wrong or tomson experiments or electron behavion in magnetic field or electron realy have charge to what I don't want to believe. Wait, maybe I womthing wrongly calcualte with this angle. But no... Ah, yes slower electron goting some v^2 energy then falling, but no, the same energy goting faster electoron... Only one (with offical theory matching) conclusion can be that electron is negative ion, yes ion... And waiting long way to explain ions here...
DavidD
Yeah it is ions. And ions atracting the same like charged body. electron is negative ion. Then have charge and then atraction depends on charge...
DavidD
Possible explanation of tomson model of paraboles can be, that electric field acting stronger then particle is closer to it, but seems that even this don't enough... How about this? There is not parabols but lines at 45 degrees and over is just imprecision... And then heavier ions are slower and better atracted by electric field, because in generaly going closer? unsure.gif Seems ok...
excaza
QUOTE (DavidD+Aug 3 2008, 10:03 AM)
and anyway nobody know electron mass and speed (in experiments)!

Mass of an electron: 9.10938215*10^-31 kg

Velocity is dependent on the orbital.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 4 2008, 11:57 AM)
Mass of an electron: 9.10938215*10^-31 kg

Velocity is dependent on the orbital.

My current assumptions saying, that electron mass was measured inproperly... Thus nobody know electron mass and speed! And hydrogen-1 amss atom possible don't exist in my theory...
excaza
Prove your assumption is valid. Present a method for properly measuring the mass of an electron. Do SOMETHING
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 4 2008, 12:37 PM)
Prove your assumption is valid. Present a method for properly measuring the mass of an electron. Do SOMETHING

I think such method don't exist sad.gif Ions mass mayube possible to measure, but electron - no.
excaza
QUOTE (DavidD+Aug 4 2008, 09:00 AM)
I think such method don't exist sad.gif Ions mass mayube possible to measure, but electron - no.

YOU think.

This is the biggest issue. You think incorrectly. You think because you don't understand it, or can't find it on wikipedia, that it MUST be false. You should try WORKING in the areas you're trying to develop theories for and actually gain an understanding before you run around trying to say you're correct about everything. You've already demonstrated that you do not know basic math and science, maybe you should start out with that.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 4 2008, 02:10 PM)
YOU think.

This is the biggest issue. You think incorrectly. You think because you don't understand it, or can't find it on wikipedia, that it MUST be false. You should try WORKING in the areas you're trying to develop theories for and actually gain an understanding before you run around trying to say you're correct about everything. You've already demonstrated that you do not know basic math and science, maybe you should start out with that.

I am king of physics and I thus can't be wrong... Ions have diferent charge and mass and are quantized by measuring somthing of them... But electron is like interesting thing and thus photon in magnetic field should be atracted by the same amount like electron.
excaza
Ah yes, the "king" of physics, who can't even understand pressure. Or how to keep equations dimensionally consistent. Or provide proof for his "theories".
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 4 2008, 02:49 PM)
Ah yes, the "king" of physics, who can't even understand pressure. Or how to keep equations dimensionally consistent. Or provide proof for his "theories".

electron is photon tongue.gif
DavidD
BTW, do you know why tritium don't exist on earth? Because it don't exist at all according to my theory! Deuterium is proton and electron system and tritium with mass 3 and charge 0 can't exist, because he would be according to my theory positive or negative ion. So my theory is just briliant and neutron don't exist and it more evidece for imposiblity of nuclear fussion...
edit: I mean fussion tritium mass is 3, but it concist of 2 protons and 1 electron and thus can have charge 1 and deuterium with mass 2 concist of one proton and one electron and thus it's all at all is not like according to offical theory, except if electrons in atoms are realy smaller energy than protons, but seems, that energy must split equaly according to my theory...
edit2: here some fakes of thermonuclear in hystory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon , probably nobody actualy believes in them...
excaza
QUOTE (DavidD+Aug 4 2008, 11:53 AM)
BTW, do you know why tritium don't exist on earth?

It does, just not in large quantities.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 4 2008, 04:58 PM)
It does, just not in large quantities.

Yeah, but it is deuterium actualy... because have 1 neutron and one protona nd one neutron concist of proton and electron and protonmass is equal to electronmasss.
excaza
It is not deuterium. Deuterium is not radioactive, Tritium is.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 4 2008, 06:37 PM)
It is not deuterium. Deuterium is not radioactive, Tritium is.

Well, then don't matter what it is, but it is not what you think it is and at all particles physics about smaller than atom objects nothing know... So chemistry can be correct only from experiments... But since in biology interacting many chemical elements and molecules with many diferent concentrations and not nessasry burning or changing colour or somthing like in some "fun" chemical ractions, then in biological processes almost nothing know and can't be known... DNA probably correct understooded as consit of 4trits, but I can't understand how they understood what some peaces of DNA doing? blink.gif And this is hard without knowing chemistry, anyway...
DavidD
I seems know hot to explain tomson electron mass measurment experiment of ions with prabols. Electric field is homogenouse (and actualy it don't matter) and so slower ions more time interacting with electric and magnetic field, but to electric field they going gloser and closer and thus it is the same like electric field increasing and magnetic field is always the same. So thats why ions creating paraboles and it is not at all, that electric field force is w=E*e/m and magnetic field force is w=B*v*e/m, where E and B electric and magnetic fields. Or maybe tomson was think like I thinking now so then even better and then don't need nothing to "debunk"... My proves then seems very reasonable, that proton is one polarization photon and electron is another polarization photon and thus is only two polarizations photons. Also possible, that bigger energy/mass in atom have electron than proton, because it flying longer ring speed, but on the over hand proton then have bigger angular acceleration....
For verification of my experiments need to check does photon (say 500 nm) changing it direction in magnetic field and in electric field. If yes then gamma rays should be neutrons or hydrogen atoms... Or maybe for gamma rays just need stronger electric/magnetic field than for "electrons" to observe some visible effect? Maybe mc^2 is good only for atoms, but not good for electrons/protons/photons? What if E=c*m^2 ? Then faster particles... Or maybe E=m*c^0.5 ?
Say if in electric and magnetic field electron changing direction equaly with any energy, but what if electric or magnetic field is very weak? Then still would act equaly on all particles (photons, not atoms)? I now just thinking, that Tomson paraboles at all are nonsense and just mathematical trick without speed of electron coeficient... Maybe no, because electric field accelerating and then electron have more force in magnetic field.. But I see some inconsistence of Aston spectrograph, because if there would be two or more traveling tracks then ion will not end in same point! Because then bigger distance need fly for ion in magnetic field not matter that he "again" have the same speed like fast ion... My theory Aston spectrograph explaining better, but worse explaining tomson ions mass spectrograph... If electric field working like in my theory then at all no problem for my theory to explain Aston spectrograph, except if those many tracks was measured... But maybe nobody measure them... Hey maybe this parabola of ions by tomson model was goten because ions there was shoted not equaly and one closer to electric field and one farther from it? Yes! Then closer shoted to electric field ions stronger behaving with it and have aditional bigger acceleration and it's explaining parabols of atoms-ions.. Maybe tomson thinking in same way? Anyaway then may theory better explaining aston spectrograf of mass! So they both was wrong! And nobody then know electron mass and atoms maybe also... But seems there in tomson experiment is point in which was shooted wast ions, but maybe slower have bigger "uncertainty principle" or somthing? laugh.gif So I can't completly trust to tomsons experiments, because aston experiments seems are nonsense and should give... Here istering thing writen about aston experiment, that ions tracks better changing direction if are slower blink.gif Tomson seems claiming oposit? blink.gif Who is right? Maybe both? But then there seems can't be parabols... What if force of magnetic field on particle is v=speed and particle mass is m=v^2 and energy field is m^0.5=v and total energy E=m=v^2 ? Then it explaining behaving in magnetic field according to words of textbook and explaining behavior in electric field too... But only then I don't understand from where is those paraobles? And somthing still inconsitent aston model, because electric field accelerating slow electron and changing it direction and then if magnetic field better acting on slower particle.., but it is now not slower... Somephysbullshit. But at least then it explaining why gamma electrons are not sensitive to magnetic/electric field... So if believe to textbook words and don't believe to over assumptions then particle/photon, which flying with speed v have magnetic field of size/strenght v and have mass m=v^2 and have this particle kinetic energy and total energy also E=v^2. Of course particles possible/[rpbably flying with c speed some like photons and they mass increase somthing like enshtein probably... Or maybe nobody measure mass precisly and speed of light? Possible that eveyrthing with formules is correct, because force time is ~mv^2 and since speed...eh...wahtever,,, Say particle flying in magnetic field with speed 10 m/s and time 1 s and over particle flying with speed 1 m/s and 10 s. So first particle force will be w=E*v^2 *t/m=E*100*1/m and slower particle w=E* v^2 *t /m=E*1*10/m. So faster particle should more change direction in magnetic field, unlike writen in my textbook. I think they themself don't know... OR I somthing don't understanding... Maybe need to devide not by mass, but by kinetic energy like w=E*v^2 *t /(m*v^2) and then realy slower particles more changing direction in magnetic field. And, bWt, instead E should be B - magnetic field... But seems particle flying without acceleration... But it is kinetic energy, then maybe correct... So how then in electric field? Well, I think in electric field the same... From where is paraboles only god and tomson know...
So radiowaves photons must very good be atracted pushed by magnetic/electric field! Thats why in capacitor which generating electric field with some frenquency there is big atraction of radiophotons! And gamma photons are almost insensitive to electric/magnetic field! Also I think I understood this parabols, they are from fact that longer distance flying electron coming closer to electric field! So everything is just OK!!! particle mass is equal to energy and E=m=v^2 with some relativity spice... Like E=v^2 /(1-(v/c)^2)^0.5 . And particle gnereating magnetic field of size b=m^0.5=v. with some polarization.
DavidD
Or those paraboles of ions are because electric field little bit increasing speed of ion and mass is v^2 and ion field is equal to v/30, where 30 is atomic mass or somthing... And thus this somehow changes mass quadraticaly and ion magnetic field not quadraticaly when speed increase and thus possible parabols... I almost don't have doubt that current model is correct.
excaza
So now electric field and charge do exist? You need to make up your mind.
Trippy
More proof thatg Quantum mechanics is correct.
http://www.physorg.com/news137164506.html
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 5 2008, 09:06 PM)
So now electric field and charge do exist? You need to make up your mind.

They don't exist, but I using this words for hystorical reasons for better understanding...
DavidD
QUOTE (Trippy+Aug 5 2008, 10:44 PM)
More proof thatg Quantum mechanics is correct.
http://www.physorg.com/news137164506.html

"These states are relatively easily generated, and appear to behave in a completely non-quantum mechanical fashion, but by using the same analysis technique, the UCSB researchers were able to demonstrate the expected underlying quantum behavior."
If they somthing discover or somthing know it's don't means, that quantum mechanic correct...
DavidD
I don't know, but seems, that particles can accelerate only oposit "charge", because if electron flying to positive charged object then he acelerating some time by atraction of protons radiated from objects and when those protons reaching electron it then must became either atom or give back energy and if it will fly apart then still will be atraction, because of diferent magnetic fields and flying directions and thus still will give electron energy with what was accelerated...
Charged body radiating it charge particle (proton/electrons), because same charge particles flying in oposit directions pushing each over and thus body is in 3D and thus must radiate, because pushing force, but in same direction flying particles atracting each over, but still they are pushed and thus creating electric field... And if they are radiated by some portions then very far particles will not atract. So body charged can radiate charged particles, simplest...

Polarization can be just finger/fringer of many particless with this line epepepepepe, which means, that pushing diferent charge particles flying in same direction, thus expanding slowly wave... IF mass is big then such particle less manipulated by over particles magnetic fields...
Entanglement can be fake of experiments or somehow interference of two pppppp or two eeeeeee lines rotated at some angle and... actualy i dont know... Field between lines
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or somthing... But seems it don't making any sense... The most logical answer would be that entanglementis wrong.
And if it realy exist, then all particles should be entangled all photons, and always there sould be colapse of photons... But why always radiated two entangled photons and why imposible to make more entangled photons with 4 polarized detectors instead one? Of course it seems prety good deal with my theory, that almost must be radiated two same charge particles in oposit directionss because in over case they can't fly simply, can't move! But what is then polaziation? Why ortogoanal polarizers always making missmach result? Maybe because if there is
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angled then better somehow detecting particles each over even at very big distance and slowly interferenceing if one of is farther little bit and rotated a little bit to direction of oposit... But this seems so ridiculouse... Maybe there realy is some space dependence, but it not giving anythign...
DavidD
Okay in magnetic field particle have mass m=v^2 and energy of magnetic field around aprticle E=v^2 also. In electric field particle can fly only if catode pushing electrons and anode atracting and changing direction. But anode itself can't accelerate particle (electron) and give to it energy, because for this must fly two particles and if two particles flying to each over then they becoming atom or destructivly interferencing... So say acceleration of electrons or ions with some electric field by atraction is nonsense in LHC... Aaccleration can be only by pushing forces...

And here article, which proves(?) that photon don't colapse, what I claim long time before, but seems not I one was thinking in this way... http://www.physorg.com/news137245970.html
excaza
QUOTE (DavidD+Aug 6 2008, 01:11 PM)
And here article, which proves(?) that photon don't colapse, what I claim long time before, but seems not I one was thinking in this way... http://www.physorg.com/news137245970.html

No, it doesn't say that at all.
DavidD
QUOTE (excaza+Aug 6 2008, 06:18 PM)
No, it doesn't say that at all.

Maybe you are right... But maybe revealing of measurment is emittion of new weaker half photon? Anyway it can be some magnetic fields interference effects in my theory this colapse and then possible to reveal... It's like pushing electron, but I am not sure, how it possible in so sort time, except if speed of photons is match smaller than 300000 km/s....
DavidD
Possible clearization of my theorya about photons and waves...
so photon or any particle flying like tornado with smallest spheres rotation in random of two direction to controclockwise or counterclock... So as I say two photon atractin each over if have same (lets call it angular moments) angular moment - magnetic field rotation (spin then created artificialy...) so seems, that waves must expand and loose they energy and thus "frenquency", but this is wrong, because photons atracting energy from farther photon and fussing into one photon and since this process is slow then this goes on only on big distance and at small distance it seems like one photon, but actualy if there would be raly one photon then it would expand and would change frenquency and would be bluer of energy and will be visisble only in smaller energy "dimensions"-universes... So it possible explain wave particle duality if such exist I prefere this theory... And as you see there is many photons behidn over photons and so there like they are possible thus entangled and there thus changes information of over photon, because photon pushing each over always in two direction if they realy want to fly. So if two polarizers are rotated at same angle
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then photons still pushing and going through polarizer and basicly always there is too weak energy if it is not measured... So if in one polarizer was absorbed mostly photons then this disturbing all "ecosystem" of entangled line of photons... And thus energy little bit changings and basicly becoming smaller pushing force and then over photons in over polarizer also don't going through - so it is very realated!
If polarizations are ortogonal of polarizers then photons going in phorm
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and basicly in such combination they pushing force or somthing decreasing... And thus they more independedly from each over and this explaining missmatch at such angle!
So you see it now seems prety unclear, but seems, my theory about entanglement works excelent and only proving my previouse theory!
And since measurment is not so fast then there don't need faster than light bullshits. Also at very big distance of say lighthours entanglement can not work or just will be more time for waiting measurment and as I say possible faster going those photons which are more energetical...
DavidD
Possible solution for explaining constant of speed of light and thus all particles...

if photon speed is v, then photon mass and energy (of photon magnetic field) is E=m=v^2.
If photon flying close to speed of light then photon mass is m=v^2 /(1-(v/c)^2)^0.5 and photon magnetic field energy is E=v^2, because then photon flying close to speed of light and his magnetic field have less time to interact with some over external magnetic field or particle... So then it's equal like in magnetic force faster particle less time acting, ebcause it going faster so here faster particle have bigger mass and magnetic field weaker acting and thus it then all equal...
DavidD
I now was thinking about quantum computers and conclude, that all quantum algorithms are just faking iliusion! They don't working and there no good specialist who would be able to check with some problem or code how they working and how excactly they giving speed up. In over words they thinking that you can do mumbo (faktorization) without jumbo (data how to do it). Quantum algorithms proves are pseudoproves and even if quantum mecahnic would be true quantum computer wouldn't work! Deutsch algorithm is bullshit, grover's algorithm is bullshit, shors algorithm is bullshit and all over algorithms are bullshit.
This quantum computing theory is so complicated and hard, that sciencists become misslead themslefs in this computation theory and in reality need to close all this quantum computing games and to stop rambling bullshit without experimental proves on conventional computer, taht they works!
Quantum computer is like try to explain entanglement (in it officail original phorm) with hidden variables. So classical computer solving anturaly (normal entanglement) and quantum computer want to made entanglement with (local) hidden variables. So quantum computer can't work in principle! There is just much stupid crancks, which thinking that it can.
Deutach algorithm, which I understand, have nothing to do with quantum mecahnic and is just aliusion of math and don't giving speed up...
Grover algorithm is iliusion, that you have some method how to manipulate/control it. Shor algorithm is the same. Do for example somebody build program for shor algorithm to check how it work? no! Do somebody can check this program principle? No, because it is too hard. So what it is? It is the same as missleading yourself about your possibilities with mechanical whell to measure speed of light http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22712 .
DavidD
Possible found connection between photons speed and speed of light.
Smaller amplitude energy photons faster expanding and thus...
No. Longer waves photons faster expanding and thus they speed is smaller, but magnetic field speed is always c. So photon flying at speed c, but lower frenquency or energy photons expanding faster and cousing beter interaction with magnetic fields... bigger energy photons slower expanding and thus less sensitive to fields...

Rotating inside atom photons amortizating and resisting and thus because atom don't flyign with c speed.
DavidD
Here is images of flying two photons in distance by 1 km flying in same direction and depending on angle between them there can be atraction or pushing forces. So photons have magnetic field around flying direction, which is in same direction or think that there is two protons or two electrons, which flying in same direction...
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5510/coamplitudefs8.png
In picture spots shows flying direction and as say are with same magnetic field direction. So at 0 and 180 degrees between two same 'angular moment' photons there is maximal atraction of two particles and at 90 and 270 degrees amplitudes can be diferent and I describe two diagrams-graphics which showing, that there can be diferent forces, because I precisly don't know, which variant is more possible. But I think there probably no pushing forces and only atraction or no any force. But who knows...
So magnetic rotating field is somehow little bit faster or somthing than particle traveling speed. Because overways photons or electron will not comunicate with each over, except if electrons are actualy ions, like protons...
DavidD
So last atempt to create good theory of reality without magic is this:
Exist only electromagnetic effects and everything consist of them and this electromagnetic effects consist of smallest spheres. So there no electric or magnetic field and this is the same field, but one of those fields creating around over field, like if you will push smallest spheres and they will create around pushing direction over field (magnetic) and electric field will spread and will like rotates about magnegnetic field but magnetic field again will rotates about electric field and so on and thus how it expanding... Without changing direction I guess of rotation of magnetic and electric field... This all prety unclear, but this is most possible realistic explanation of all world... Spin of particles of course don't exist. Atoms structure is unclear, possible that simply protons and electrons are just different phase electric field, because its prety strange how smallest spheres vibration can be oposit creating electric field to flying direction... But I am unsure about amplitudes changing of electric and magnetic fields, - they may be always the same... And interference is realted with over thigns then...
So then mass and energy realation is E=0.5*m*c^2 like kinetic energy of waves, like sound waves... So all no ions particles flying with speed of light and couse we consist of ions thus we don't flying with speed of light, because consist of atoms of many photons which are reflected think from each over for short simple explanation... Because hard to determine real working of atom and I am unsure about two things:
why there is rotation of smallest sphers vibration of one direction about over;
and why this fields keeping holding this direction...
How this rotation don't breaking down and coexist? why there is rotation and not linear expanding of smallest spheres vibrations? On of answers can be, that onece smallest spheres are pushedthen reflected smallest spheres is like rotation it seems... because no ideal reflection from sphere of over sphere... or just such spheres structure, that in such way most easy this going on... So atraction in real is emision of energy, but possible in over direction than pushing force ohmy.gif
So then in one of direction psuhing forces are like neutrilized like big energy created atoms, I mean small energy big atoms infrared atoms created which decaying and which then slowly expanding and going to hell or don't acting with matter because most they energy going through like gamma or radiowaves and like light waves don't going through matter and thus they can create in over from two objects in center in oposit direction radiated creating atraction forces and pushing forces becoming from exactly oposit tricks, when you know ball is throughen from one object to over, but there is jsut photons... Maybe in over post I will try to explain all this in more logical and physical form, rather than mysticaly... if this possible...
DavidD
acording to my this kinetic energy formula of mass, then possible for relativity of increasing mass formula real is such:
1/(1-(v/c)^2). So then realativistic mass is
m=m_0 /(1-(v/c)^2) and E=mc^2 /2.
How to prove this? easy, just insert speed v=3*10^6 and mass m=1 kg into this formula to get kinetic energy:
E_k=0.5*m_0 *c^2 /(1-(v/c)^2) - 0.5*m_0 *c^2 =0.5*9*10^16 /(1-0.01^2) - 0.5*1*9*10^16 =4.50045*10^12 J;
And newton kinetic energy formula
E_k = 0.5*m_0 *v^2=0.5*9*10^12 =4.5*10^12 J.
So equal...

Whats more?
all nonatoms particles have c speed. magnetic fields and electric is kind as photons... Bigger particles energy cousing bigger density them toghether or/and thus bigger frenquency...

DavidD
I don't want to be ridiculouse, but what if relativity wrong and there just spaceship faster breaks than reach c speed... So what if energy formula is not mc^2, but mc?
Say that in uranium burning there mass defect is not 0.001%, but 100% and since uranium fuel consit of 0.3% or maybe 1% uranium-235 and about 99% of uranium-238 and maybe some 1/10 of this total mass is grafite or somthing which slowing down neutrons from ~c/10 to 2 km/s (thermal)... So what if neutrons mass is also energy, and we thinking, that neutrons goes out, but this was energy and then 1/10 of mass defect is for uranium-235, but what that even 100% of uranium all burn and I think there prety hard to find products of this fuels. And say that some 1% also is burned of uranium-238... Then say if in nuclear reactor is 10 tons of fuel of say uranium-238 roughly mass, then about 1% is burned according to (my) formula W=mc. So then from 10 tons energy will be
W=10000*3*10^8 /100=3*10^9 J. And according to enshtein mass=energy formula energy will be:
W=10000*9*10^16 /300/1000/3=9*10^14 J (3 just for fun for 30% mass of grafite).
So like with my formula is only nuclear reactor power ffor one second and with enshtein formula for day. Most optimisticly with enshtein formula for week or month.
But what if say at big temperature all uranium and grafit burning and nobody see it and then like burning 10~100% of mass?
Then according to my formula energy (if almost 100% burn)
W=mc=10000*3*10^8=3*10^12 J or energy for one day at 1 GW.
So maybe E=m*c is correct?
For nuclear explotion maybe if bomb box of metal exploading then this metal also going to energy according to mc formula and all stuf inside bomb?
Then say if bomb mass is 4 tons like on nagasaki, then
W=4000*3*10^8=1.2*10^12 J, which is almost equal to normaly estimated explotion power of 6*10^13 J.
DavidD
I check if waves/photons/protons/electrons is the spiral waves of shape of bolts and I check that if 2 bolts going from oposit directions to each over and rotating acording to clock, then they atracting each over (they heads coming closer to each over) and if they going from oposit direction and rotating one clowckwise and over counterclokwise then they nor atracting nor pushing. Was atraction force is then bolts rotation in same direction and pushing force then probably radiation of photons huh... And if two bolts flying in same direction then they heads also nor atracting nor pushing each over (distance the same...). And if two bolts - particles flying in same direction, but one rotating cloclwise and over counterclockwise then bolts pushing each over so this can be pushing force but maybe then there is realy some low energy going through everything gravity or charge/magnetism waves... Think that there is not stoping radiation of photons or more precisly smaller ball(s) vibration, which reflecting and going on in spiral law... Then this vibration maybe somehoww creating some gaps or somthing and this is like driling bolts atracting efect... So this spiral seems expanding over time... in radius...
But if this is charge and gravity forces, then how the same spiral can have magnetic forces? Well possible, that when spiral vibrating crachsing many spheres in spiral rotating then over vibrations apearing of maybe some over shape or energy, because how to explain, that magnet don't atracting charged bodies?
So this spiral apearing in one of two random directions counter or clockwise...
According to spiral law two charges going in same direction like bolts nor atracting nor pushing if charges are the same sign (clockwise say), so maybe then them pushing some total universe fluctations of lower energy or radiated waves from themselfs, but then why no pushing from "inside" - between them? Well, maybe because of destructive interference of radiated the same ph...waves. Shifted waves, because bolts must be in shifted phase... 180 degress seems,,, And gues how would push wires along current direction, maybe they pushing along this direction can't push and maybe wares pushing, but how magnets pushing? Well, as you know, magnets pushing like they want to change they poles and in some sense atracting... So it can be like bolts heads pushing... And again magnets can radiated over diferent energy spiral bolts, which then pushing...
So not so stupid this bolt theory?
DavidD
after refinking bolts driling don't makes sense, but itself spiral waves like I previously though bouncing two spiral vectors and then not sure can be or atraction or pushing force. Atraction can be because then like destructive interference and disapearing all energy betwehn two particles and then radiated in over direction force can be as pushing... And pushing force can be due to bouncing and then rebouncing and thus pushing... But atraction theory better deal with my previous old diagrams about charge replacing magnetism... So in same direction particles then atracts and I found physical spiral smallest spheres base of it...
If flying same "polarization" particles-spirales, but to each over from oposit directions then there no bouncing of spheres effect and they nicely don't letting seems close up in they theritory. So then is pushing force. or no any force, but probably pushing. If flying two oposit "polarization" spirals in same direction then is the same pushing force. And if such particles flying in oposit direction then again atraction force... This is like I though previously... But seems prety mysticaly why there should be atraction force? Well, maybe apering after radiating spiral gap, which filling waveatoms-matter.
DavidD
Entanglement then going straight instead spirals and colapse can be also straight and as you see it explains everything! If smallest spheres have some finite size then due to infinity big cosmos spheres in our frame can be infinity small, don't matter that it don't likes you... And then this rotation can depend on size of "dimension", depending on univrse size relative to smallest balls. So then seems like in straight going result due to measurment possible is infinity or very fast! So isn't it is big discovery over all the word for all faking religiouse? But it still don't disproving good in same sense like evolution disproving chrystian god. But somthing new, huh?
Okay, let me think on entanglement not with emotions...
Now I analizing if clocks working on microseconds or even nanoseconds precision and measurment time is almost 100% the same like time needed to travel from one point to over and not some twice bigger...
Hm, seems realy "crash" of entanglement can be instanouce due to particles instant hole apearing, but there prety speculative until I don't know measurment time of entanglement...

P.S. During posting this disapear internet...
DavidD
I realize, that even sound waves in air are spiral waves (possible). Then it explains, why short sound waves have the same amplitude like long sound waves, even if they (shor waves) amplitude is actualy smaller (because longer charging capacitor? (for long waves)). So short waves going like many spirals expanding and then some spirals heating with they snake spiral and over don't heating and if most heating then big amplitude (becoming). Longer waves have wider snacke and thus have biger probability to hit. So Actualy then(!) shorter waves hitting more chaoticaly, than longer waves, which haeing more harmonicaly in spiral snacke style. This couse effect, that shorter waves have less chance to hit harmonicaly and thus it couse to as frenquency of high frenquency understanding...
DavidD
Then possible, that even between sound waves is entanglement! Because if spiral waves will be converted into "fringer/fingers" waves with measuring plate with hole(s)-fingers then going not spiral but fast comunication and faster than sound speed colapse... I think, that this all measuring colapses of entanglement are based on + or matching - between - or | with |, and + missmatching psuhing forces and thus some like colapse... Of course maybe there no faster than speed of sound in air feedback, but maybe measuring process is prety slow due to "low frenquency of human brain neurons of 25 Hz" say... So if detector measuring slowly and we prety not sure in which place there is faster measurment and what is latency in over detector places of microseconds, then possible that entanglement is prety not overcoming speed of sound/light... But maybe if no point in which bounce for wave or is such point, then on waves spiral motions it's accuring instantly... Since sound detectors don't have some discreate measuring properties then sound entanglement may be not be possible to observed... Maybe polarized sound/light waves are elipse spiral shape... Or maybe polarization is fringers/fingers spirals with some order...
DavidD
Here possible variant of atoms working principle. Atoms don't exist! There is only spirals, which by flying along flying direction axis rotating around in one or over spiral shape... So there if one atom is one spiral shape, then over is over spiral direction shape... So single atom can't exist and it will move somethere or will decay. And it will move with speed of light. So then you can ask, why body of human don't moving with speed of light? You see, this "atoms" in human body reflecting many from wall of itself and need induction of smallest balls to fly with such speed thus...
So if you will put some stone into vacum in space, there no sun, under planet shadow say, then he will evaporate/volatilize when his temperature will decrease, but since walls are have 2D surface and volume is 3D and induction maybe also v^2, then he will vanish seems prety slow, but maybe no, and also there can sill to keep him fluctations from all direction which pushing to don't evaporate, but this waves then are from over energy dimension and are or very shor or very long etc., but maybe such waves don't exist or don't playing in our energetical dimension any role and at all no such pushing forces nother...
But they seems needed for explaining magnetism and charge forces bu maybe there would be enough just thermal radiation, yes!
DavidD
Oh yes, about quantized ions in stern-gerlach experiment... Quantizations are due to diferent energy levels, which fusing or not if they diference is visible or not... Or maybe ions at all are not ions, but peases of matter... Possible discreate peases of matter again due some energy laws... don'g go or to go tthrough... fussing or not... Or realy some rotations around each over in oposit direction and with oposit spiral rotations... Then this is kind like ion or atom. Then due to energy there is such quatizations of electron or proton energy (spiral energy). Becouse nobdy fillmed or photographed single atom, that it don't decaying... OR maybe when atom flying, it decaying slower?
DavidD
Okay here principle of lorence force.
Magnets radiating photons with some spiral rotating direction. Diferent poles have diferent circle flying rotation - spiral... So if there is diferent poles then from up and down they spirals waves will not bounce and they will not push, but possible will atracts, because push will from "outside" say thermal waves... And pushing force is that bouncing two same rotation spirals and then pushing back... Maybe even same magnets poles atracting becouse some interference destructive of space between them apearing or somthing...
So lorence force is that spiral flying and rotating in some direction similar bouncing or not into (maybe over energy) photons spirals, which is magnetism and then it's pushing little bit and thats what is lorence force of say electron. And analogicaly with proton/-positron, when it bouncing, damn, I miss somthing... That then need that only one some magnet radiate photons, but then hard(?) to explain magnets pushing/atraction forces? No way! Then only one magnet radiates spirals say in only one direction and this spirals only interacting say with over magnet spirals only when they going to/into magnet and then seems still then will be bounce only of electron or proton for lorence force... Only one possible think to explain lorence force, taht proton and electron and poles have some diferent energy walkthroughvility properties and then say electron more interacting in spiral bouncing scheme with say north pole and proton more interacting with energy of south pole say. Because say if rotatings electrons in matter and creating magnetism then there going spirals and then those spirals are shooted and then reflected from smallest spheres and with less apropriate energy say, over energy... But seems with same rotating field direction, what is very bad, because it's means, that there radiated the same rotating spirals like from some charge and not like from magnet, so need somthing over then probably, but maybe, no because key role there playing diferent energy and like more particles-spirals with packed energy and then bounce will be and lorence force will be explained and if to say, that for lorence force electrons and protons energy is
|_________|
and if magnet diferent poles energy is
....|____|
Then it many explaining, because there enough energy close to interact between magnets and for proton and electron is closer to His energy pole...
The biggest then chalagne looks like why no bounce in over place of spiral, well, maybe because spiral rotating as fast as photons flying...
Then charge would be radiation of spirals with same energy... And haotic arangment of electrons or ions, which are more or less....
DavidD
Now I seems realy understood lorence force!
So Two wires atracting if current inthen going in same direction and pushing if in oposit directions. So current is say electrons, which rotating in some spiral directions like tornados, so in infinity big space those tornados are almost like one and thus if (rotation) directions matching then they atracting, because thend to become one tornado big instead two smalls. Anf if there current going in two oposit directions then in infinity big space it's means, that there is two counterforces which "killing" each over and thus then those oposit direction rotating fields thend to push each over like two destructive torandaos interference, but since energy can't go nowhere then they pushing each over seems...
So if there flying say electron and electrons rotating in magnet or current in wire is and there is two magnets and electron flying like spiral with his certain rotating spiral direction, then he like tornado trying to align/fit in like small torando in big tornados dance... Because thus spiral field shape will be of magnets like concentrated between magnets "string" and like oval/ circle from outside in left or right (if magnets are up and down), so then seems like this small electron tornado will fit in in all this "dance" like if it will be in eadge, because magnetic field, seems talking it... So isn't it a great discovery? I can say more about it the same for proton, but hey electron and proton is pushing if flying in same direction and they magnetic fields 'not bouncing' and so this means pushing and so then imagine magnetic field lines and then it means he same like tornado that proton must be on left eadge if S is up and N is down seems... So this is increadible interesting and maybe this was know very long time that this is lorence force? So everything Maxwellical, that so excelen explaining all lorence force and no need charge and magnetic field separation, beacuse everything is spiral field, which creating charge, which like spirals is electrons with certain direction and one motion creating over spirals possible...
So charges interactions is spirals tornados to the same direction spiral field in infinity creating stuff.
DavidD
OK, here some nice picture of how must look magnetic lines binding and then acuring force, which must align or antialign with magnetic lines rotating tornados so this tornados like magnetic lines fussing to one. I don't know, need to be very stupid to don't understand what I saying... Over point is that this tornados may most power waist for nearest point antialigning and then over infinity field is not stronger than this close... OR maybe there is bounce principle which somewhow freelizing... But I most like tornado principle, that there is inertion of rotating waves, which bouncing and antibouncing creating rotation -huraganas -tornados..
Enjoy
http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lorfiz1.png

Around wire is magnetic field and magnetis have magnetic field..

I was thinking, and seems very nice, that charge and magnetic fields don't atracting each oevr, because charge radiating spiral photons and if same charge then those photons bouncing and thus pushing and if there oposit charges then those photons don't bouncing in spiral sense... then there is same rotation of magnetic field or spirals, between oposit charges and then maybe it radfiating rotating spiral from center and infrared or over flcutations pushing then them... OR some over more dificult processes.. like energy is radiated from center between oposit charges and atoms going into this energy deficit to be radiated from tornado rotated...
DavidD
According to energy formula E=mc, then if all ~100 kg in little boy become fuel according to mc^2, then energy is 100 times bigger than same amount of TNT detonation energy.
Because TNT energy is 1000 kcal/kg = 4184 kJ/kg = 4*10^6 J/kg. So TNT of 100 kg energy is:
E=100*4*10^6 = 4*10^8 J.
And energy of uranium 100 kg according to mc formula if all mass of fuel mixed with uranium-238 (which in bomb is ~99% and ~1% real fuel uranium-235 and only 0.1% of uranium-235 according to official theory burning like E=mc^2) burning according to E=m*c formula then:
E=mc=100*3*10^8=3*10^10 J.
So then about 100 times bomb is more powerfull, than TNT bomb with same mass.
And if only burning (anihilating) all uranium 235, then well, explostion power is exactly like TNT:
E=m*c/100=100 kg * 3*10^8 m/s /100 = 3*10^8 kg*m/s =3*10^8 J.
So then maybe realy E=mc formula is correct?
Then atomic reactors seems ridiculouse, but let's see how according to official theory was exploaded bomb:
E=100*m*c^2 /100 /1000 = 9*10^16 /1000 = 9*10^13 J, but according to official theory there was ~6*10^13 J, so about 1000\100000 times is diferent (1000 times if uranium-238 also anihilating according formula E=mc).
DavidD
I take some food and sow, that it have 2226 kJ of 100 g, so 1 kg have 22263 kJ =2*10^7 J.
And according to E=mc formula it have
E=mc=0.1*3*10^8= 3*10^7 J for 100 grams.
E=mc=1 kg *3*10^8 m/s = 3*10^8 J for 1 kg.
So Food energy don't disproving my formula E=mc. Because there is in food according to anihilation 10 times more energy... Or possible that eficiency of our organism is 10% only or then such energetical food we must shitgout only 10% of his mass... Maybe exactly this is?! Because those food analyzing gays prety stupid... For example in vegatables and fructs is about 90-99% of water and mass defect almost imposible to measure escpecialy from so deliciouse humanshit...
Benzine or gas or coal reactors may have smaller burning effiecency or somthing, than nuclear reactor, by factor of 100 times and then say nuclear reactor giving much more energy, like one kg of mix of uranium238 and uranium235 is like 100 kg of gas or ton of coal or oil... Maybe uranium235 making burn also uranium238...
Then say nuclear bomb is 100 times stronger explotion than TNT bomb of same mass and 1000 times weaker than "enshtein" bomb with formual E=mc^2 with same mass.

Or at all this all formulas don't making sense, but mass still 'must' be somehow linear lawly depend on energy and visaversa. Speed and mass multiplication seems prety tasty, why speed must be somewho like kinetic energy E=mc^2 /2 ?

Or then if need to explain relativity then prety easy it to do with this formula, but then actualy energy formula must be hald smaller: E=0.5*m*c.
So then for example 1 kg mass object moving with 3*10^6 m/s = 0.01c. So then relativity formula looks like:
E_k=E-E_0=0.5*m_0 *c/(1-(v/c)^2)=0.5*3*10^8 /(1-0.01^2) - 0.5*3*10^8 = 4.50045*10^12 J.
And according to integral kinetic energy formula:
E_k=0.5*m*v^2 =0.5*1*(3*10^6)^2 =4.5*10^12 J. So equal...
This quadrat in relativity can be from something like surface or maybe just from kinetic energy... But this don't deniding E=mc/2 formula...

EDIT: I seems wrong calculate
E_k=E-E_0=0.5*m_0 *c/(1-(v/c)^2)=0.5*3*10^8 /(1-0.01^2) - 0.5*3*10^8 = 150015001.5-1.5*10^8 = 15001.5 J.
So this is not equal to E_k=0.5mv^2=4.5*10^12 J !
DavidD
Looking at this http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lorfiz1.png picture I can change fiew to spin classical explanation.
So there is emited some quantized energy photons with random spiral rotation directions. In center created like neutral atoms is very high energy this photons, that magnetic field almost don't acting on them (or neutral peases of matter). So here then magnetics lines between magnets blasting little, but very energetical spiral ("silver atom" say) not only in right or left by lorence force, but also up and down, depending where is this photon, more in left or right and depending, what his spiral rotating when flying direction is.

Okay, leave it for while. I think resolve how magnets atracting! As you see... No! Previouse explanation is better! In previouse explanation there is rotating magnetic fields symetric which of two magnets wanna to fuse and become one according to same inertion/energetic-magnetic lines.

Charges maybe also atracting because want to go into easier rotating atracting spiral magnetism force between charges, but this seems little bit not logical, because magnetic circle (spiral) rotating between oposit charges, which conecting axis, so rotating about this axis magnetic field and this matching of magnetic field tend to atract two opositly charged bodies. Maybe just pushing force of spirals becoming rotating energy of magnetic field and then pushing forces from oposit charged directions (from back) radiated photons with to this charge obvious rotation of spiral, so this photons pushing toward each charge! This looks prety logical. I would explain it in more priceise fashion. When bouncing two spirals with same charge (say negative) bodies, then bouncing not only photons, but spirals! So this energy is much bigger than energy of just radiated photon in all directions from charge! So you see, hoWELL, my theory explaining electromagnetism!!!

Magnets of course also radiating spiral(S) but only in one direction according to magnetic lines in picture. This spirals then going again like circle or spirals in magnetic lines sense and reaching end of south pole, then this two magnetic lines tend to align...
But possible even over method of explanation. There is spirals radiated from picture monitor into you, but this seems not making, sense, because I forget, that this picture must be in 3D and not 2D... But seems it good even in 3D, but just no rotating spirals from up and down of magnet in picture. But problem with this method is, that then there should be only one rotation direction from all edges of magnet except up and down. But then it seems not good for explanation of lorence force. Because then wire should be in center and if you will want to push it from center then it will go to center. And oposit (electricity) direction wire seems will go in any side left or right from center.

Also there possible, that then radiated spirals from opositly charged bodies will not bouncing, but going uo and down like circles and like over 'bigger" spirals and thus looking it like in magnet magnetic field, like I just imagine... So but then seems, that this new spirals rotating in oposit direction and seems there this 4 new spirals-circles can't create atraction. So seems previouse method of explaining charge is much more logical and correct and I think it is correct.

And yes, seems very nice, that wire is atracted also up. So this seems exactly like in Stern-Gerlach experiment, that if wire is on eadge, then it atracting up and going to right like in picture if current going like in picture (I all the time was talking (and still talking) about "left pircuture" in picture). And if wire going now from center to right like in left my picture with magnetic lines, then seems force up becoming mroe and more neutral (and lorence force remaining the same). Now if going wire like shown in righ picuture (without magnetic lines) from right to center then of course lorence force is to right (wire moving to right, gh) and going seems also up, hm... But more and more, when closer to center... So no something wrong and my previouse explanation of spin circular particle/photon rotation around magnet lines between magnets is then correct. This random again spiral rotation explaining quantized spin itslef!!! Ha ha, thats grate! biggrin.gif Lorence force creates/makes spiral rotation, which is quantized lines of particles/photons! This random one of two rotations making greate job! Yeah this is so simple and good... So then either there realy exist charged atoms, or quantized energies in matter of photons (because absorbing if no separation between energies they each over) or quantized peases of matter with inside quantized number of photons or maybe even smallest sphers...
DavidD
My thoughts about spin is nonsense, because without magnetic field no spiral effect...
So since photon is spiral then this spiral tends to align to 'electric field' around axis between magntes and thus it depending on photon 'magnetic field' rotation direction around photon flying direction axis along...
DavidD
I since don't know, is realy don't burning about say 90% or 50% of all tons mass toghetehr with uranium238, so I just analizing is (lol to ask with begining with is, isn't?) or gasoline don't violating my formula of energy and mass relation E=mc.
So here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline#Energy_content average gasoline energy/kg is 45 MJ and 1 kg in E=mc formula =300 MJ. So not violating my this formula. Hydrogen energy in 1 kg is 121 MJ and it still is less than maximal energy(/kg) 300 MJ (even E=mc/2 is correct). BTW, TNT energy is 4 MJ/kg.

So if to compare in atomic reactor how much times it is more powerfull per kg burning in official theory with gasoline energy then need to check...
In nuclear reactor there is say 1 kg of fuel mass, which actualy you need to put into reactor and this mass you need transport... So
E=mc^2 /300/1000=9*10^16 /300/1000=3*10^11 J.
Because only 0.3% of uranium235 in nature is in uranium 238, which is about 99% of all uranium (isotopes). And uranium mass defect is 0.1%.
According to my formula at most uranium all this mass with uranium238 is
E=mc=3*10^8 J.
So according to original formula.
1 kg of TNT have energy as say:
E=4184000 J =4*10^6 J.
And 1 kg of gasoline have energy:
E=4.5*10^7 J.
And 1 kg of hydrogen have energy:
E=1.2*10^8 J.
And 1 kg of chips have energy (about):
E=2*10^7 J.
For human live need about 100 W energy, so in 24 hours need
E=100*3600*24=8640000 J=8.6*10^6 J. Probably not all energgy human consuming or somthing? Oh yes chips usualy are about 50-100 g=0.05-0.1 kg, so
E=0.1*2*10^7=2*10^6 J. So this is 1/4 of total energy in 24 hours needed.

So let's see how much energy should produce nuclear bomb "little boy"!?
E=mc^2=0.6*9*10^16 /1000=5.4*10^13 J. So this seems also in wikipedia writen...
And let's see how much energy can produce 100 kg (this is mass of uranium-238) of gasoline:
E=100*4.5*10^7 J =4.5*10^9 J. This is 10000 times less than energy produced from little boy explotion.
Let's see how much energy can produce 1 ton of gasoline (such predetonator is possible in "little boy" couse little boy mass was about 4 tons). So:
E=4.5*10^10 J. So this is 1000 times less explotion energy than from 600 grams uranium-235.
Now if 1 ton anihilate according to formula E=mc, then energy
E=1000*3*10^8=3*10^11 J and this is about 100 times less energy than from actual stated little boy explotion. Prety anoing fact.

The most possible answer then is that energy formula is E=0.5*m*c^2. And thenr elativity formula if relativity exist m=m_0 /(1-(v/c)^2) .

Let's see how much better to burn or transport more precisly uranium238 fuel than gasoline. So 1 kg of uranium fuel for nuclear reactor have energy:
E=mc^2 /300/1000=9*10^16 /300 /1000=3*10^11 J.
And gasoline energy density per kilogram is:
E=4.5*10^7 J. So gasoline/oil energy density is about 10000 times smaller than nuclear fuel per mass. But I guess, that gasoline or oil to burn much easier than uranium, I mean it much more effiecnt must be, probably...


DavidD
So why two wires atracting? If current going in same direction?!
This is because, that each magnetic lines around wire have the same energy in infinitly small part. Closer wires waisting more energy for creaing over magnetic circle lines around wires. So actualy like with icentrical force somthing each magnetic line have the same energy!!! So those magnetic lines divergeiting to infinity like 1.2554612316546135, but maybe have some finit not divergetion like some 2D geometrical figures have finite value if f(x) and x changings to infinity close to y line... So if two wires will be infinity close then seems atraction force between them will be infinity big. But magnetic lines circles, which going to infinity with same strengh like small circle magnetic lines around wire, loosing they power by friction into over ENERGIES. So if there wouldn't be any noise (in space-"vacum") then two wires seems would atract with infinity force! So everything have infinity energy, but only matter of noise/over energies, which infintly disturbing all infinity space and so thus magnetic force is not infinity strong!
So my theory about magnetism and lorence force and spin explanation is briliant!
Why they (wires with same current) trying to align to same lines magnetic? This possible due to fluctations of space and over energies, which pushing or somthing and then this not chaotic magnetic lines "searching" minimal energy for they "existance" to align between with magnetic lines... Thats how it's cool! I explain all physic one alone! I am genuise of universe!!! cool.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif
You can search some fractals/atoms, but I explain all electromagnetism with spirals effects of smallest balls in all space... This is Newton mechanic and nothing more (except smallest spheres, which have or don't have mass, but it's don't matter!).
DavidD
Gravity is magnetism, you know it, but I think it even "DC" magnetism!
So sun flying and some energy circulation of photons or somthing, the spirals rotating in certani direction I think and sun flying around some bullshit like galaxy or maybe not and it actualy don't matter. Couse sun itself enough, it is like flying charge and generating around magnetic circle lines in official language to say. So Earth also flying in same direction like sun and thus generating magnetic the same direction lines, which then tend to atract... About this lines can increase again 'electric' lines, which only probably increasing atraction force. So this is gravity! Moon also have same atraction and created electric lines may make spining earth about sun and moon about earth etc or this is just from never falling effect...
So why magnet is not atracted by gravity so much? You see, between magnets there gravitation force depending on distance quadraticaly 1/r^2 and between magnet and earth there atraction force is proportional to 1/r only. So thus Bigger magnetic field of magnet almost don't chaning it atraction by gravity! And human as object is aligning with his molecules/photons etc or somthing bigger magnetic field to earth magnetic field and thus gravity depending almost only on earth magnetic field. So magnetic field those spatial lines or kinda spheres all is equal not matter at what distance they are from center of earth, because rotation of spirals acceleration energy is a=(v^2)/r. So if distance is bigger then icentric acceleration is smaller and field power is bigger (but wait this can be possible only in 2D!?). So farther magnetic lines is disturbet by noise power, because they are longer and thus more gained by noise of many electromagnetic fluctations... So then magnetic power should decrease only 1/r on distance, but since we living in 3D, thus magnetic lines are actualy 2D and not 1D, so magnetic field noise is power is r^2 and magnetic field strenght is 1/r^2. Simple, nothing wrong, everything okay. Seems... But I think there can be somthing over than icentrical acceleration and I would call it 2D Centripetal force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centripetal_force, which is D=(v/r)^2 or for standart understanding D=m*(v/r)^2. So what when cousing not linear but quadratic deacreasing of magnetic force? Well, quadratic noise maybe of course! So those noise are not so strong to overcome bigger value taking of matching magnetic lines of two (parallel) wires with current in same direction than only small amount of value which taking magnetic lines which are in oposit directions (between two wires). But if there wouldn't be noise then magnetic force would be infinity or JUST would depend on force of electricity in wires!.. But from where is then quadratic deacreasing if distance increasing linarly? Well, Either quadratic increasing of bouncing lines, or one lines becoming stronger and over weaker thus maybe quadratic (I am not sure is there right math?). But I prefer much more first variant. So back to reality without any frenquencies noises! And then no infinity energy in spirals...
But noises was helping to me in explaining of atraction force between charged bodies... Because then they want to create same aligning field of two oposit charged bodies between them and this field creating one direction rotation and this aligning and cousing atraction and all over noise pushing into it minimum... How now I should explain atraction force?..
I think somthing wrong with my 2D centrical force... Imagine, that there striking from up ball to voer balls, then it reflecting and so going in circle, those over balls then creating two lines and striking and again in circle reflecting and creating 4 lines of balls which then doing 16 lines. And centrical force of each "rotating" ball is v^2 /r, so then line energy is E=v^2 - (v^2)/r. Say first ball speed is v=10 m/s and r=10 m. So then energy of magnetic line is E=10^2 - 100/10=90 J.
Now say v, never mind... Too dificult.
Seems, that line is longer, but have smaller centrical force (which was given for creating this longer magnetic line from shorter also rotating magnetic line). So at least in 2D all magnetic lines don't matter of they size and distance from source should have the same magnetic power. But how now in 3D? Is they also have the same magnetic power? Let's see analogy with sound in air, sound energy nother can go, so even spherical shape similar magnetic "sphere" must have the same energy like small magnetic sphere. But since magnetic spheres going to infinity then seems atraction force of two parallel same current direction wires must be stronger than pushing force from bouncing of values of magnetic filled spheres -balls between wires. And thus only this resistance creating smaller atraction or deacreasing atraction force at distance! But seems if matching of magnetic lines between wires is infinity more than unmatching between wires then atraction force seems should be the same strenght at any distance! But missmatching lines seems also going to infinity, but not in such amount like matching magnetic lines! So this probably key to understanding atraction forces, because matching magnetic lines is more than missmatching! By some amount of space, which expanding audraticly probably and that's why strenght deacreasing also quadraticly probably, this like take some 1/10 of all magnetic lines value in some finit space and to check then what will be atraction force!
So for now enough about charges explanation, not this time I mean...
Let's then think about how to explain gravity with DC magnetism of earth and induced human and let's try to explain why magnet not atracted by earth match stronger than same mass over thing!
So magnet distance between earth almost don't changing and thus it don't must to atract earth quadraticly better.. But why he don't atracting earth stronger? Well, he atracting like you can see from compas pointer, but why not so much, because seems many faking teslas was puted into it to create strong magnetic field? Well, maybe to compare with mass teslas B=0.5mc^2 it's faking not much? I mean, maybe our bodies have some 10^12 teslas or somthing and faking magnet have 1.1*10^12 teslas, so almost no faking diferent, huh? Also you body is not, magnet, but faking provider, which also like dog aligning to his human-power rules of Eerth magnetic field! So thus possible only to measure earth magnetic field and not faking body magnetic field, in though all magnetic lines/spheres have same energy and magnetic pointer not capapable to measure it all lines and thus it seems faking weak. I think I thinking prety logical and it's even wonder why before this wasn't estimated? Maybe sciencists was thinking, that human is not provider and his magnetic field don't aligning to planet or moon magnetic field? Oh, no, it's aligning and in cosmos it's possible is turned off and disbalanced by thermal fluctations in body and at earth it becomse to faking rotating in body all this circular faking spirals and then human becoming like faking magnet toghetehr iwth faking earth magnetic field, grate isn't?
essentialogic
QUOTE (DavidD+Feb 28 2008, 08:54 AM)
Quantum mechanic claims that quantum computer must be possible to build, but unfortuntly quantum computers don't working... Quantum mechanic don't have any evidence about completnes and possibility to build quantum computer and that for simulation quantum physics need exponentional computation power. So quantum mechanic is hypothetical theory. Some things in quantum mechanic are proven and some - not. Why those unproven things are included in quantum mechanic theory? Why there is tryes to build quantum computer if there no proff about concept according to which quantum computer must work? Should we try made all things, which we can imagine and which don't match with logic (multiuniverse, exponentional speedup...)?

Please stop spewing forth your crap.
excaza
That request has been made many, many times before. Unfortunately he won't comply.
DavidD
Here how atracting becomes between magnets in over position...
Like you see in center there when going lines in infinity atraction factor becoming dominate also like between two paralel wires with same current direction or like between magnets in most normal atraction form like in previous my picture... This infinity line with eadges lines half atracting and half pushing and thus nobody wining.
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DavidD
With analogy of sound waves, bigger amplitude spirals faster expanding, don't matter what is frenquency, but usualy if you will think in this way, sound waves in air are bigger distance of those waves, which are longer (I mean distance - free space - air "vacum"). So in short, short waves of sound is many small amplitude waves each after another, and long sound waves is one long big amplitude wave. You hearing equaly long and short waves, because short waves in microphone inducing this short waves and small amplitude waves and actualy transmiting them without any tricks (and for this don't need big capacitors insert wires) and the same long waves are transmited by inducing electricity on rotated around magnet wire... This sounds vibrations couse this... If half negative amplitude shor waves cut with diod then you can get 'goting" wave of voise trhough AM radio, when connecting diod to speaker from phone and to one wire antenna and to over ground (ground is not negative nor positive and thus absorbing any charge which was hitted up say in antena by electromagnetic spirals... Then diod cuting half amplitude and then collecting from many small amplitude untill current don't have time to go back because of induction of speaker (which consist of wire around magnet rotated many times), so there is many short waves only positive amplitude shots, which creating long amplitude like from long voise wave. So this spirals probably are still like vibration amplitudes vacum-smallestspheres. So antena must be better with size of wave lenght of AM radio or with half lenght or somthing... And some mistake, diod don't leting go into earth to charge in wire so current going only through phone speaker and inducing small sound. And this current was maked by many hits into antena by spirals-waves, which depending on diod puting "sign" direction between anten and ground, thus either from anten there is I think photoefefcted electrons (taked), or gived to antena and then this of course creating electrons coming either from ground or going into ground by this "voice" big sound wave long... So what's why very short waves radio can't work, because need very short anten and this deacreasing then radio effiecency, I guess, and that's why possibly shorter waves "have more calories", because shorter waves in antena are used more 'coherently' I guess of say 100 MHz, rather than 10 kHz, for which need big annten to take "positive/negative charge"?.. Somthing wrong I think, but maybe correct... Let's see, I have long wire-anten, waves in all it places taking electrons, then through diod and trhough speaker coming electrons in this place from ground and this is one hit for sound. Then bouncing wave and puting into wire electrons or pushing electrons to go somewhere (in ground etc or capacitror or to induct speaker), so electron now can't go to ground whrough diod, but can go through speaker and hit again. So wave increasing in speaker. And after many hits becoming sound wave... But electrons from ground come into oposit direction in speaker and thus there is only short wave. So there somthing tell me, that Earth have negative charge, isn't? So then if there electrons taked by one sing radiowave, then electrons comes here trhough diod and not trhough speaker, because speaker resitivity is about 16-100 oms and diod in this direction about 1-3 oms I guess. So I forget, that through diod going in first case electrons from ground (because by first wave sign was taked) and thus no induction in speaker and with over sign radiowave electrons was puted and can go to earth trhough diod and thus going trhough speaker wire into ground and making small hit after which falowing pause and then again hit and then again pause and so on... But why...oh, I see, Wire don't atracts then through it don't going current (if current gonig through diod) and thus since radio frenquency of hiting speaker is match bigger, then there is with therey small distances quantized sound wave, but how apearing pushing force to this say jumped up speaker surface to this surface from hearing direction of human?.. Well, most likely air itself reflects back energy and then it's only about to creating more or less hitings with bigger or smaller hitings amplitude, thats how is created sound wave from speaker.
So this posibly explains why there is quantized "atoms" in sterngerlach experiment. Because at big bang say, there was many hiting waves which ones was less hiting and over more from some considence (considence probablity to create more or less quantized fractals-atoms-photons of energy in infinity is infinity big, this is beyond of math and our natural some sense, but this is more likely right). So all atoms numebers shmabers in mendelev table are of course wrong and this quantization is little bit anlog. But why there no some very central half mass of neutron or proton in all those atoms? Well, maybe exactly this apearing in time of your deaf... Joking, because seems, everythere is such atoms, except maybe in air! Maybe sciencists weighting only very roughly value of them, but seems stern gerlach experiment states oposit. But this seems is not reasonable proff. Hey, maybe there is just somehing like two photons-spirals interaction interference or 3 photons and thus they such quantized and in real live there such quantization maybe almost invisible? So where I leading? I leading, that bigger photon and, which have more energy (damn I not finished about radio) is longer, wider and have bigger mass and thus possible going slower, because spiral, but maybe not because more energy and more particles pushed at one time... I was thinking, that maybe photon is huragan, but then it seems should rotate faster if it come from cosmos...
So let's bettwer continue about radio, why need longer anten? Well, maybe also diod is some kind capacitor and don't letting to go for bigger amplitde wave and maybe wire capacity is limited to give or to take so many electrons-photons? This is most logical answer, but seems electricity becoming to go in radiowaves hiting into anten time... Also this can be induction problem, because need goog material/matter, which would was be able to induct not only himself but near wire-spiral also... for this need what both spirals thus rotated on one cilind shape feromagnetic, but I guess this feromagnetic capacity can be limited, because most important is induction possiblityinside of this spiral(s) of wires, like I rember from my rethinking of this magnetic lines (at bigger frenquency induction faster changing and don't need thus so big it...).
In spiral wire there going many electrons (or whatever?) and they creating according to this soiraled rotated wire same spirals which then inducing over electrons pushing in spiral style. IF there is rotated wire with spiral on iteslef in-one-oposit directionthen this is not problem, because spirals going and creating magnetic field of same rotating about cilind wire say clockwaise direction and it is equal to electrons making good job and acts like protons and creating like from spiral wires rotating about each ove rin oposit direction from cilind there is radiated in on direction like elctrons and in over like protons... (So possibly charge even don't exist in acumulators say and there is just in one place more metal-photons than in over, which want to transit...). So if there is long waves, then they have big amplitude and big amplitude spirals expanding very not apriate and are very big in radius and thus much less induction power is for over spiral which puted on same feromagnetic cilindr for little bit increasing induction. So I would say, that most energy (about 80-90%) of buble electric lamp is going not for heat, but for big electromagnetic waves, albeit heat may occure from this big waves reshaping all wires/metal structure of fractals or somthing, so maybe no, because at big frenquency or at small lammp burning the same even with DC field. But shorter current possible cousing less destroing metal structure heating effect, but easier radiating electrons-photons from wire lnto some capacitors or somthere else...
Over possible variant is, that long waves many times rotating about itslef and so on creating many over spirals, because very expanding like sound waves because pushing very much in big density "glued" smallest spheres or for sound waves - atoms in air and thus why at big distance long waves in air almost not hearing or from headphones.. But maybe just short waves less expanding like freaking gosts and are then more reaching target like with parabaloid satelites and speaker not spherical. I have Idea how to create ideal sound speaker, need to create sphere which would expand and it size would become bigger or smaller and then it would radiate supergood equal not expanding effect harmfull waves of sound, like some air pomp inside it, but air is too slow and thus my idea will die... So then sound would go equaly in all directions and wouldn't need to more or less to expand to change energy etc... So maybe short radiowaves just (better than longer) reflecting from earth and atmosphere and thus reaching you no matter where you are? And long waves going freakingly everywhere through earth and sky... And almost not reflecting and short waves say reflecting 2-1000000 times, huh? Also satelites like say have some direction of transmiting radiowaves, without expansion because of they physical properties... So then this freaking formula , that energy of electromagnetic waves radiated is E=f^4, where f is frenquency of radiowaves. Classical theory explains it like f^2=a, where a is accelration of electrons and thus f^2=v^2, v is like kinetic energy of electrons, because reaching bigger speed or somthing (sounds little bit ridiculouse, huh?)... But why electrons must at big frenquency to reach bigger speed? blink.gif And over quadtat (v^2)^2 is from what waves expanding in quardatic space and thus must increase one more time quadraticaly if amplitude increasing quadraticaly... This is fine, but only if there is bigger speed v for shorter waves, but it seems no! Because everythere is photons in wire, so shorter waves just better reflecting from earth and atmosphere!!!!
DavidD
Here suggestion how electron in CRT monitors can fly. Electron flying like spiral and crteating many spirals and so there instantly created many rotated spirals, which possible faster created this rotating lines than they have time to disapear... So in CRT display/ecran there hiting all this big spirals bounch which of course seeingly for magnetic field and magnetic field acts on it like in normal theory about electron... So hits many this magnetic lines - maybe even not spirals... But in center density of magnetic 2D line is most concentrated and thus it hitting like spot into ecran and not very spreaded...
DavidD
I wonder if there possible in http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInte...achZehnder.html interferometer that light will go 100% to detector-2 instead to detector-1 100% ? I suggesting, that htere possible magnetic field of photons from source aligning toghether with one of over paths magnetic field this magnetic field which wanna to go to detector-2!
DavidD
Here posible way how entanglement http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22346 works.
There is radiated photon-spiral with one or over centrical v^2/r aceleration spreading in magnetic lines phorm with equal each line amplitude, because smallest spheres stroking with speed v and energy v^2 to over spheres and reflecting in circle with energy v^2/r and v for first lines is small and r also, so energy given to second line is v^2-v^2/r and this second magnetic line have the same energy. So entanglement is 2D magnetic wave maybe from powerfull source created entanglement, which rotated 2D circle magnetic lines which then are by half in center mading angle (bend/crook/fold) like paper and if you would see in ideal plane when there is photon shooting from me/you into monitor and then magnetic lines like spirals rotating in counter- or clockwise then this rotation is like spirals and so there is correlation if one spiral blocked then over if not blocked go through because reflected smallest spheres even accelrating first spiral going into first detector... So like one photon going into left and over into right, but this is spirals and then if atoms realy are in polarized position like fringer/finger then in vertical fingers position magnetic lines can go through and in horizontal - can't. So if there is creating one magnetic lines spirals another spirals lines then it's similar like magnetic and electric field rotating about each over and thus through fringers/fingers can go either "electric" or "magnetic" field dependign on horizontal or vertical position of fractals finger/fringers shape. So if are rotated at same angle polarized galsses at same polarization, then magnetic lines going whell in same time, because magnetic and electric fields changing in same time equaly don't matter of distance. So I think you understand from there this probabilities nad amplitudes and entanglement and polarization. Now about polarization. Maybe even polarization can be in 2D whells in space polarization and I was previously little bit wrong about 'electromagnetism'. Because need to explain why it don't changing even at prety big distance(?). So of course there no photons in sense like hiting particles, but only limitation of detectors sensability... I previously say, that magnetic lines in same value/2D plane have bigger density in center and this can be observed like photons/atoms-fractals like in cinescop-CRT TV/monitors. So if source is prety strong of laser say, which "creating" entangled photons, then it even folded don't disturbe general principle of magnetic lines I guess or even photons go like magnetic lines and they not folding at all, but going through al matter, but maybe realy is some concentration in optical fibers and quantum theory can't explain why photons in optical fibers by many times reflecting don't loosing (almost?) they speed, in my theory maybe those magnetic lines reflecting from walls of optical fiber and thus safing they energy and then if wrong polarization reflecting and going back by same chanell and if there flying many 'photons' each afetr over then they magnetic lines if are same then one photon measurment possible changing over magnetic lines because bouncing into fringer if they are ortogonaL to magnetic lines... And this going back by magnetic lines and reaching over photon. More was reflected more power will arise to over photon (maybe from here this quadrat-square?), because reflection moving in oposit direction and this oposit power will be give if more ortogonal two detectors-polarizers are and if they are both in same ortonality more then this will destroy quadraticly... and no go through photons, but in matching everythwere case of polarizations photons almost not reflect with destroing power!
DavidD
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Here it's all depending how detectors are puted but since light seems going only straight then red lines on up left seems more logical. Optical fiber can play role of like for tanks on whells this similar like elipses so phtons then flying like ninja stars into detectors and they magnetic fields atracting each over and thus they seems feel each over not dpending on 10-100 km distance. because then magnetic lines deacresing and bouncing close to BBO crystal (from which produced entangled photons) because of oposit direction. Or maybe even one photon is like long elipse in two fibers, because fibers limiting magnetic lines say. Because BBO crystal producing what not very depending on angle, but I don't sow at what angle escaping those photons, maybe like from beam spliter?.. If so then angle must be very small to produce such elipses in two both optical fibers at same time and amplitude will be very small like this angles ortogonal. But maybe this is exactly key for producing very weak amplitude ("entangled") "photons"? With laser... dry.gif (it's hard to believe, that laser can produce small photons...).
So then this entanglement amplitude is from cos and circles geometry x and y, where if increasing one then deacreasing over.
Only I thinking, maybe if those fields is 2D or even 3D then for not entanglement pitagor theorem seams still good and amplitudes still have they place! rolleyes.gif
Because you know 2D then quadraticaly deacreasing or increasing if polarization angle changings linarly then again x and y... And quadraticaly and in 3D seems everything the same, there pitagor theorem holds also if field is 3 dimensional (or maybe it's time? laugh.gif ).
But seems photons can't go then in spirals like, but must fly like ninja stars... But maybe one spirals craeting around another like electromagnetism? But on the over hand maybe exactly this spirals from atoms radiated like ninja stars? ohmy.gif You know atoms are like rotating tornados and only over magnetic (thermal) radiation increasing one tornados and ddeacreasing over, but atoms also radiating they own tornados (ninja star(s)) and then they seems should loose energy? huh.gif
Maybe just those tornados don't loosing energy which have oposit rotation, but trying to align, but after some time still everything goes from balance and that's why cells in human body borning and dieing in about 10-30 days changing roughly, because need new food and new atoms to change they molecules, atoms completly! This is strong evidence, that neurons in brain should die and born like all over cells. Or in over case you should show to me any cell or bacteria, which living say 10-100 years! Oh you saying, why metal is so longly stable, huh? Because it consist of same atoms and is magnetized, probably... Maybe atoms of human also have magnetized, but it seems don't helping them from rapid entropy normalization... In metal all atoms are same and thus no problem, that they tornados strenghts will become the same.
DavidD
I seeing some ways why photons don't radiating this tornados-atoms-fractals all energy, when they creating rotating magnetic field:
1) magnetic field is compensated with incoming spiral photons, which then fussing with current atoms or becoming electrons...
2) magnetic field don't going nowhere (stange, because magnetic lines stroking seems still somewhere, but maybe some over magnetic lines compensating, but unlikely) it always rotates and thus energy don't loossing;
3) fractals very fast aligning to over magnetic fields and maybe radiating very slowly this magnetic lines...

So most possible variant, that spiral photons going into matter and thus aligning and refreshing matter power and quantization of roughly atoms mass. Atoms becoming newier, but for biological systems like cells it don't working well and need, that cell always would get fresh atoms (devide and grew).
Then all spirals energy of photons is gived to matter and which not gived going to over matter like spirals and fussing and giving they energy for compensating magnetic lines radiated energy. This magnetic lines I don't know, maybe farther becoming spirals, maybe not...
Say underground there is pressure and energy of atoms is one energy and outside - over...
Maybe even energy atoms taking from air atoms, or maybe just those magnetic lines can't go outside of matter very much, because of big density over atoms magnetic lines...

I think there need to do simulations of many smallest spheres and with then hiting into this spheres with over spheres and to see how they would fly, or to try somehow to create tornado rotating in this spheres and this spheres, which maybe can apear if there is presure of fluctations from all sides of spheres...
Maybe there even nobody doen simulation of waves in smallest spheres medium and always thinking what waves must be like in water or 2D or like on water, but not like spirals, because they meybe too stupid and this is to hard for such program to anilize all this stuff and also there seems need infinity such spheres or at least very much and put them then into some over big empty sphere, say. Also they rambling about wavefunction with they mathematical nonsesnses of imaginary wave and not trying to analize real 3D things in real world, not in math textbook beyond they ability...
DavidD
I don't know how this related with physics but with my theory for me it's looks more possible that human at all don't have those DNA, RNA and over bullshits kind of this, maybe even proteins... So human child borning boy or girl depending on domination of energy size or somthing of farther and mother cells, which fusing... If energies are somehow equal then borning hemofrodit say...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome don't exist (like autism of course), because those chromosoms possible don't exist either. So looks like genetic kinda ofshit? Overwise need photos of those chromosoms and DNA, RNA.
So live is encoded then in energy of cell, thise energy of cell creating all structure and so on. So if energy is analog, huh... There prety much those human information, but human consist of very much atoms maybe with diferent energy, which are like bits maybe, because they energy is separated by atoms energy and this energy is 0.5mc^2, prety big this separations of energy... But if energy of atoms is not in say 1 dimension like in analog computers, but in 3 dimensions, then since analog computer have about 100-100000 discrete levels separated then in 3 dimensions it will be 10^6-10^15 bits of information in cell! DNA at most have real or evolution information of about 3 GB as I understand. So human is analog machine-mech, which structure and growing depending on genes and on food (atoms energy etc).
DavidD
About "charge".
If you will take cilindr and draw on it spirals or magnetic lines which rotating in same direction and then slowly rotate this cilind until will draw all magnetic circles, which last circle will be drawed close to first circle and you will see, that they all is in same direction rotating this magnetic lines don't matter from what side of cilind you looking (i doen such experiment with say cilind-paper). So I look, that magnetic lines of ortogonal cilind side going into oposit directions with magnetic lines to ortogonaL.. So then it's means, that if there is two charged bodies then this spiral field don't expanding, because over magnetic lines are ortogonal, albeit like circles if you will put two circles and if they go through each over then there would be goest going through one circle ortogonal to over and if you take magnetic liens on it like clockwise then there would be intersection of them in oposit directions, but circurly oposit...
So I draw both circles in ortogonal 2D plane and sow that those lines close up, but on the over hand they bouncing to each over. They to don't bounce going like super 3D spherical spiral as far as I conclude. But maybe just more possible, that those photons-electrons pushing each over if they ortogonal - they magnetic lines pushing and thus they are compact like spiral photons and thus have limited they cilindric flying surface
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and this superspiral seems nonsense, better just ortogonal spirals pushing each over and thus they magnetic lines not very much expanding... Only close to each voer spirals going like maybe one photon, but then seems maybe they should atract magnets? No, because magnets have also over type spirals like of buterfly whings... And this buterfly spirals seems don't matching in any sense with spirals of charge! Maybe except in "particle spin" sense, then... But no. Spin better can explained if lorence force creating circle motion and any circle motion cousing spiral motion! But in spiral can go not nessasry electrons to couse magnetic properties. There can go photons (protons or electrons with random spiral orentation), but you see this photons going into one direction, because say electrons which magnetising body can go in two diferent directions and this enough to create magnetic buterfly lines in one of two directions with random spirals (which then creating buterfly wings spirals or not it doesn't matter, but more likely spirals probably...). Over problem would be if there in atoms (metals) is not electrons but positrons and electrons, but then must be just one say "+" hotter and "-" colder, because without photons and then electrons are just photons and going into colder place. Don't ask me, how creating those empty and photonic space, but how then to explain charges atraction if charge "+" realy is just hotter body or with more specific photons? Maybe charge(d body) realy little bit atracting magnet(s)? Like spin?
But no seems charge can't atract, because from center going same photons and they spiral rotations because of his oposit flying directions also oposit and thus magnet can't atract, because if say one spiral going through all charge then on over side charge pushing. So magnet nohow can atract charge! I mean charged body...
DavidD
I write my current signature:
"Everything consist of small(est) spheres-balls with/in maximal density, which filling all space/cosmos."
But thinking it's equivalent and maybe simpler way even is if all matter and so on consist not of smallest spheres, but is liquid, which can be divided into infinity. Although smallest spheres "liquid" also can be divided into infinity even if they don't haves infinity small gaps... But seems then ridiculouse who the hell put this smallest spheres and how he put in maximal density and how he know about what and of what consist smallest spheres and do they are empty?
So then like in my enshtein image, that everything is liquid with no any gaps, but just think that, you or somthing pushing this liquid, then you (itself) can't push it without any angle of wave, or there still will be over some small stroking liquid space which will little bit rotate this liquid, so thios liquid will rotates into spirals, but maybe not!
If say pushing one spirals another then charge can be, that there if there is same temperature photons in (charged) body then they bouncing to each over and thus pushing and those which go trhough going in same direction and atracting and thus pushing force becoming between two same charged bodies, because of fluctations say. So there even spirals can not exist, but just random spirals... But spirals when it becoming it seems don't disapearing overwise it seems (maybe?) imposible to explain quantizations in stern-gerlach experiment... Let's try to explain it! But no, seems that total vector leaves and if moving in cirlce due to lorence force, then this cousing also random motion in spiral if there is with mass particle and not traveling with c speed, but if traveling then maybe there even don't need spirals, because some random flux of some photon between magnets can push it and dramaticly change direction, which then almost unchangable...
DavidD
Here I predicting, that simply wire moving (and not rotating) in magnetic field don't couse (electric) current in it!
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This is because because electrons becoming hotter in one place than in over, because matching rotation with magnetic lines or not (it is oposit). So then electrons hoter or which wasn't eliminated with magnetic lines will go to over wire "side" and this exactly cousing current in wire and thus electricity and so on...
So I think physicists just bothering to try to not rotate wire in magnet field, but move it, but need very long magnets or some very fast wire... So I think they simple don't test it and just test with rotation and made wrong conclusion!!! Now they have chance to test it without rotation, but directly moving wire like shown in left picture. And this maybe explains why voltage and current are shifter between by 90 degrees (phase) amplitudes...
Liongold
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Quantum mechanic claims that quantum computer must be possible to build, but unfortuntly quantum computers don't working... Quantum mechanic don't have any evidence about completnes and possibility to build quantum computer and that for simulation quantum physics need exponentional computation power. So quantum mechanic is hypothetical theory. Some things in quantum mechanic are proven and some - not. Why those unproven things are included in quantum mechanic theory? Why there is tryes to build quantum computer if there no proff about concept according to which quantum computer must work? Should we try made all things, which we can imagine and which don't match with logic (multiuniverse, exponentional speedup...)?


Grammar, I notice, is jarringly absent, which always is a pain for me, but let's not discuss that.

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Quantum mechanic claims that quantum computer must be possible to build, but unfortuntly quantum computers don't working... Quantum mechanic don't have any evidence about completnes and possibility to build quantum computer and that for simulation quantum physics need exponentional computation power. So quantum mechanic is hypothetical theory. Some things in quantum mechanic are proven and some - not. Why those unproven things are included in quantum mechanic theory? Why there is tryes to build quantum computer if there no proff about concept according to which quantum computer must work? Should we try made all things, which we can imagine and which don't match with logic (multiuniverse, exponentional speedup...)?


Grammar, I notice, is jarringly absent, which always is a pain for me, but let's not discuss that.

Quantum mechanic claims that quantum computer must be possible to build, but unfortuntly quantum computers don't working... Quantum mechanic don't have any evidence about completnes and possibility to build quantum computer and that for simulation quantum physics need exponentional computation power


Has it occured to you that it might not yet be possible to build a quantum computer yet? Rudimentary forms have been developed, yes, but they are still rudimentary, and so need a lot of work. It's like the computer: the first was amazingly big and able to perform complex calculations only. Then it miniaturised, until we see the result today ( I assume you can see it, because, lol, of course you're typing on one).

Likewise, these rudimentary quantum computers have not met your expectations, but they need a lot of improvement.

The second part of your objections has no basis whatsoever. It predicts that quantum computers can be built, as Richard Feynman so elegantly explained, and hence you must be relying on inaccurate information. Given the tiny size of the memory (all of the memory is to be stored on atoms instead of silicon chiops in quantum computers), we will naturally need a lot of energy to imprint information on atoms.

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So quantum mechanic is hypothetical theory


How do you say so? It has no logical root, and a theory is always hypothetical unless it manages to successfuly explain natural phenomena, which quantum mechanics does. That's the reason why it ranks among the two finest theories developed, the first being general relativity.

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So quantum mechanic is hypothetical theory


How do you say so? It has no logical root, and a theory is always hypothetical unless it manages to successfuly explain natural phenomena, which quantum mechanics does. That's the reason why it ranks among the two finest theories developed, the first being general relativity.

Some things in quantum mechanic are proven and some - not. Why those unproven things are included in quantum mechanic theory?


Because a theory is always built on something unproven. Besides, there is no reason why they cannot proved in the future.

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Why there is tryes to build quantum computer if there no proff about concept according to which quantum computer must work? Should we try made all things, which we can imagine and which don't match with logic (multiuniverse, exponentional speedup...)


You know, one can say the same of general relativity. We don't have to believe that space-time is curved; there's no proof! Just because there's no proof doesn't mean that it can't be right.
DavidD
Since I think in some motors is used lorence force instead lorence force and magnetic force and induction toghether for induction lorence force also with rotation of wire around some like trnsformator 2D plates of iron, but this can be explained in such motors only with magnets/magnetic effect and almos no need lorence force in most electric motors, but there is some electric motors like in sony players or maybe CD players also, where no iron part, but only magnet and on litographyc plate printed "2D" wires, which for inducing air and thus push/atract some magnets is ridiculouse, so in sony players motors I think there used nothing more but real lorence force and thus to rotate such motor should produce real (not magnet) lorence force electricity... But still is AC this electricity kinda and usualy there is about 6 coils of "2D" spirals-wires, which have only about 5-10 2D spiral rotations. And magnet is divided into half N and half S pole (similar is in normal player motors with iron parts, but they rotated about 3 coil around iron parts, like long magnet with big force rotated into circle). So I understand how this can work and working of electric car and those two types players motors. Particularly in electric cars there is magnetisation which atracting until electric magnet 1/3 part going to magnet and then switching to over 1/3 electric magnet (with iron/rotated around iron wire), which again atracting and so on. There you can say, taht is some lorence force. Maybe, but closer to center then becoming like pushing force, so I in genereal would say, that in electric kids cars used motors are ineffiecent and probably mostly ruled by magnetic force and not by magnetic AND lorence force toghether like in players all motors. In not sony motors there 1/3 part is between two poles, where one atracting and over pushing electric magnet with wire rotated around iron and this like is two magnets
SSSNNN
electric magnet
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SSSNNN
kinda this, but this electric magnet by iron is very spreaded (wide/big) and that's why there is "all around magnet" instead two magnets in electric cars, but which I am not 100% sure can be also puted not
this
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electric magnet
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electric magnet
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So there is unclear do current electric motors ruled by lorence force or by magnetic force or by two (those) forces toghether. But it's I think almost prety clear, that in sony motors in players they rotates most likely ONLY by lorence force, because air induction constant or somthing is very small, but you can say, maybe magnetic field big? MAybe, and then magnetic field, which creating those wires is lorence force or somthing like in my theory, that magnetic field lines spreading into infinity like light expanding like sphere and magnetic lines catching each over...
So then there is some spirals of magnetic lines which created around electrons say in conventional maxwell language, so this spirals can be either electrons radiated only in some one direction or also positrons radiated but in oposit direction (from magnet - magnetic lines), or there no any electrons and all atosm/'fractals are roughly equal energy, but just rotates they and some radiated in one direction with same rotation and over in over and this like positrons and electrons, but this maybe even same atom/fractal doing... But charged body must consist of some over energy maybe electrons or just they atracting forces are then thermal or somthing, but then imposible to explain CRT monitors/TV principle, so most likely that there is electron types charged bodies... And curent in wire also must be like electrons...
So say there is electrons type spirals (of smallest sphers) which going in wire and this wire puted like usualy in my pictures between two magnets, which atracting each over... And so this electrons going like spirals and they magnetic lines possibly creating one net big same direction magnetic line (which possiblity is little bit under doubg, because over magnet lines must with oposit direction also go around magnetic buterfly wing, I mean electric lines, this time, but they maybe enough place or maybe even not nessasary and all small circles doing they job like donig electron motion and hole creating...), which one if wire moving in right like in picture then current going from me and electrons going to me. In my picture electric spirals means electrons moving and not electric current like black "i" letter. So if wire moving to right then it farther eadge bouncing with electron spiral countermotion and this maybe pushing electrons or charging electrons or somthing (or maybe even taking like photoeffect) and closer to me wire eadge (wire on picture is not showen, but some circle big..., but think that wire is like in my previouse picture with two wires) mathcing with electron spiral pushing force in same direction and thus there maybe no electrons charged or pushed or taked and thus electrons going along wire to me from monitor... So then lorence force explained. When wire don't moving then say this spiral of electrons w\this electrons line pushing both eadges and then electrons don't going anywhere (or going in center maybe).
This is picture:
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6657/shit2qv7.png
Maybe this pushing force is kinda rotation little bit and that's why they going then in wire electrons and thats why maybe in wire conture no "not lorence force" electricity about which I claim previose post. MAybe in conture there is those both forces combination, but just give idea... Maybe over not lorence force which creating from up coming lines can't exist, because it kinda not spiral or if spiral then this pushing in same direction and seems don't making sense of why electrons should go if there no rotation force or maybe is.. but anyway in real motors this conture type motors don't exist! This is just very primitive protipe... IF electrons are taked-photoeffected then both methods in conture of producing electricity seems logical... But maybe then realy conture producing electricity infull power and not by some cosinus angle of lorence force moving direction?

As far as I understood about entanglement. There is for one polarized glass more magnetic lines or somthing and for over less, this then like x and y in circle if point with center is distance =1, but this quadrates (of cosa=x and y=sina) is from, that those magnetic lines expands in 2D (space) so then x^2 and y^2. And for polarizers it exactly the same polarization means that for one more for over less like the same x and y and then x^2 and y^2, because this is 2D space!
So those fibers maybe even not needed, but just isolating from over "photons", because I think physicists counts, that many photons in fibres will be absorbed dry.gif. So maybe there is ome one at some angle most biggest ninja star wich going straigh to both detectors and ignoring all obstacles and this then kinda this one photon which can be registred. Or maybe realy this biggest ninja star becoming very kinda elipsic/long and going into two intakes of fibers like tanks those worms...

So what if energy is of legs in 3D energy and then cells which mutating in wrong energy connection with over cells then dieing? And then only right cells is for baby...
And maybe signals from brains are not just electric signals, but maybe are energy like for electric motors? Directly electric energy? Human maybe energy consuming also from air for brains...
It's not good to know now, that chemistry is wrong, huh?
So I tend to claim, that all vacines don't exist!
Chemical bacterias kinda killing drugs 50/50%, that maybe some works and maybe don't working all.
Viruses most either 25%, that exist or 25%, that exist, but don't have DNA/RNA and 25% that exist and don't have proteins or viruses at all 25% can't breaks cells and divides and are no more than chemical junk etc...
TheDoc
DavidD, please answer this question.

Is the ordered pair (-1, 3) a solution of the equation y = -2x + 1?

No particular reason why, just curious.
DavidD
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DavidD, please answer this question.

Is the ordered pair (-1, 3) a solution of the equation y = -2x + 1?

No particular reason why, just curious.

write it
0 = -2x + 1,
then x=0.5, but your solution also correct when y=3 and x=-1.
This is kinda scool math...
ASTERIX*
QUOTE (DavidD+Oct 4 2008, 07:17 AM)
This is kinda scool math...

"school" you illiterate fuckhead. dry.gif
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TheDoc
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write it
0 = -2x + 1,
then x=0.5, but your solution also correct when y=3 and x=-1.


BRA-VO! You found another solution for the equation! You're smarter than I thought.

Oh, by the way, it's "school", not "scool".
DavidD
Kinda take a look into old CDreader and there is 3 motors and two of those are such motors like in usual players and are for opening and pushing laser. Third motor is for rotating CD. This third have on iron rotated 12 coils... And this magnet around like in those two motors is "quantized" into 24 NS poles... But why I so interesting, that there would not be induction through iron in motors? Because also those magnets rotating and like maybe distance changing, but maybe not, but still small chance.... So in this sony motor in player there maybe also is 12 or 8 those "iron coils", or maybe 8 is in this cd rotating motor coils I don't remeber... So kinda probably also puted on magnet with many quantizations probably or maybe just enough those 4 for six printed coils... But there no seems distance changing, but still small chance that changing... I just real pure lorence force electricity producing experiment without any "wrong" angles... There is some why to do this, but need to rotate around some toroid coil and then put magnet there down and up are N and S poles respectivly and then rotating this magnet there would be lorence force and electricity and seems no any jingle bingles there can't exist, but rotation still can create some angles and it can kinda produce electricity like centrical force from magnet center to wires or somthing. So I kinda looking for real lorence force evidence, that it can produce electricity 100% like long magnet or big magnet puted and wire say 10 meters going (say such magnet 10*10 m^2 is) and then ampermeter and voltmeter kinda showing ampers/volts... maybe milivolts and miliampers, but at bigger speed seems should be more... So I kinda believing that lorence force for producing electricity is 99% correct. But I now as you see can't 100% redect possiblity, that maybe there is kinda thermal atraction/pushing/magnetic forces instead spiral... Say maybe, maybe positive particles going in some direction due them thermal energy in magnetic or electric field or somthing...
Here what we got:
1) rotated about iron axis wire/coil makes spiral or rotation and this thermal photons going in some rotation direction creating rotation same in over induced spiral;
2) electricity going, because of thermal diference say;
3) same energy charges pushing and over kinda thermal energy charges pushing;
4) magnets have rotation which just have some direction in 2D plan.
What we can't explain:
1) why electrons/ions flying in one some direction or more precisly why in CRT monitors electrons flying in some direction by magnetic field;
2) why in wire moving thermal particles making to atract wires if going in same direction current (maybe thermal energies charges diference).

So kinda spirals theory is better for now than thermal theory, because it explaining why charges atracting/pushing, magnetism, lorence force and kinda quantum entanglement and amplitudes... Thermal theory wors also explaing kinda entanglement...

Why if charges radiating some spiral rotation photons don't loosing almost they charge? Because coming energy from thermal photons which compensating or charge just inducing fields, which hen just exist...
Also atoms can consist kinda of over small atoms, but seems not so small if mc^2/2 is correct, because need somehow to explain they atracting force in general or somthing, or maybe this is just because of gravity force induction?
So I kinda wondering if realy and how those chemicists or phisicits examoing those DNA molecules or some atoms, because seems they must decay as quick as they are in small portion of 1000-1000000 in small sphere say or maybe they expanding and creating some smaller energy matter? blink.gif rolleyes.gif
So this is still very unclear even if I can explain atraction/pushing forces and lorence force with those spirals... So I kinda read, that IBM write they name seems with DNA molecule or maybe even with atoms in one tail... But maybe those atoms or molecuels was in some liquid or somthing, because seems most likly that in air on surface they should decay, disapear without any tail... If DNA kinda consist of say those GBRA seems or somthign chemical molecules, which one latter consit of about seems 15 atoms, then I don't know maybe they somehow holds, but they must be kinda unstable, escpecialy in open vacum or air... except if they somebody along DNA long molecule induced... But somewhy I thinking that they don't know of what consist DNA and they just found kinda indirect tail of some for they intelect seems logical conclusion of such atoms, but it DNA may even don't exist or exist like kinda energy someshit and if you taking it from cell then it energy is disbalanced and total bullshit apearing maybe instead some information...
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