I read this today:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26837911/
This article attempts to explain a certain phenomenon that seems to happen on the net. It is why people get nastier behind a cloak of anonymity. I had wondered about that. Internet communication is fairly new, and it has revealed some surprising results about human psychology.
Any insights from people here who may have been either on the giving end or the receiving end?
I think its pretty normal to talk smack. I've come to these forums to talk smack just to vent some frustration. Right now the server is down some I can't pwn some noobs and tell them they suck. 
QUOTE (Fairy+Oct 28 2008, 07:34 AM)
Well t hanks for your posts! 
lol i come here between pwning noobs on bf2
My favorite smack talk, however, is quoting Shakespeare and sexual innuendo http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cathexis
lol i come here between pwning noobs on bf2
My favorite smack talk, however, is quoting Shakespeare and sexual innuendo http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cathexis
A good one Empress:)
The emperors new cloths unveiled sort of.
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Btw: I agree to it being the anonymity enabling it.
That as well as the normal cowardice you can see shown by bystanders when victims gets attacked in the street.
You get away with being a coward, at least you think you do:)
The emperors new cloths unveiled sort of.
------------
Btw: I agree to it being the anonymity enabling it.
That as well as the normal cowardice you can see shown by bystanders when victims gets attacked in the street.
You get away with being a coward, at least you think you do:)
QUOTE (Empress Palpatine+Oct 27 2008, 03:56 PM)
I read this today:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26837911/
This article attempts to explain a certain phenomenon that seems to happen on the net. It is why people get nastier behind a cloak of anonymity. I had wondered about that. Internet communication is fairly new, and it has revealed some surprising results about human psychology.
Any insights from people here who may have been either on the giving end or the receiving end?
It's because people truely do have alter ego's; a type of Jeckle and Hyde, which only comes out if there are real physical qualities surpressed. Such as creating a new character over the net, brings with it a new motive, new ambitions, new social lives, new thoughts, ect ect.
The screen itself, is like a brick wall, with only a few bricks missing. This defense, this ''stronghold'' is what normally gives the internet user a sense of his or her own power. It's... strange at best, that we might believe that this alter ego holds ny importance with anyone else, but it certainly means a lot to the person in question.
It's cowardly to say the least.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26837911/
This article attempts to explain a certain phenomenon that seems to happen on the net. It is why people get nastier behind a cloak of anonymity. I had wondered about that. Internet communication is fairly new, and it has revealed some surprising results about human psychology.
Any insights from people here who may have been either on the giving end or the receiving end?
It's because people truely do have alter ego's; a type of Jeckle and Hyde, which only comes out if there are real physical qualities surpressed. Such as creating a new character over the net, brings with it a new motive, new ambitions, new social lives, new thoughts, ect ect.
The screen itself, is like a brick wall, with only a few bricks missing. This defense, this ''stronghold'' is what normally gives the internet user a sense of his or her own power. It's... strange at best, that we might believe that this alter ego holds ny importance with anyone else, but it certainly means a lot to the person in question.
It's cowardly to say the least.
QUOTE (Photino+Oct 28 2008, 08:36 AM)
It's because people truely do have alter ego's; a type of Jeckle and Hyde, which only comes out if there are real physical qualities surpressed. Such as creating a new character over the net, brings with it a new motive, new ambitions, new social lives, new thoughts, ect ect.
Agreed, but the original statement by the Empress:
indicated that they are confusing brain wiring with psychology! I guess it's valid... I guess.
But I am a reading person and a writing person. I can attest that very clearly -at least to me- the brain circuits are different if I am talking to someone or writing to someone.
For the record: I am not even talky except with the people I really, really click with. But writing, I am someone else, and I have a very different personality.
That goes with the amount of effort that I put into the circuitry that I use to talk -not much- and to write -he doesn't stop editing his ideas... I wish he wold shut up sometimes. But I do like him.
I wouldn't confuse that with mere psychology, Empress. It's neurological.
Edit:
(The irony of ironies is that
indicated that they are confusing brain wiring with psychology! I guess it's valid... I guess.
But I am a reading person and a writing person. I can attest that very clearly -at least to me- the brain circuits are different if I am talking to someone or writing to someone.
For the record: I am not even talky except with the people I really, really click with. But writing, I am someone else, and I have a very different personality.
That goes with the amount of effort that I put into the circuitry that I use to talk -not much- and to write -he doesn't stop editing his ideas... I wish he wold shut up sometimes. But I do like him.
I wouldn't confuse that with mere psychology, Empress. It's neurological.
Edit:
(The irony of ironies is that
The screen itself, is like a brick wall, with only a few bricks missing. This defense, this ''stronghold'' is what normally gives the internet user a sense of his or her own power. It's... strange at best, that we might believe that this alter ego holds ny importance with anyone else, but it certainly means a lot to the person in question.
even though there might be a little something to the (psychological) theory of the wish for an "alter ego" for defense, the neurological suggestion is coming from me, someone who is someone else and has never had any wish to be someone else!)
AFAICT, not a chance. Writing/reading is only done in your head. The lady who smiled to you when you bought groceries will affect your input, the course of your thinking, and your output When you talk to a person you talk to a person. You are effectively a million people speaking at once when outputting over the internet, for instance. If you are doing it right, that is. If not... you are a poor you(!!!).
This is not to say that some people can't be the exact opposite, of course: I am talking about *me*.
When you are writing --and again, IF you are doing it right-- you are the total sum of all experiences of all the dealings you have had with people.
I find it impossible to be that when I am speaking, I am a mediocre speaker and an unimposing presence even for my cat, but my personality -that is, my psychology- is the same speaking OR e-writing.
(OK, AN, I confess: that *was* about you! So SUE ME! )
It's just that the character IAMoraes is a separate entity with a separate identity and personality... I just have to kill him off now.
(OK, AN, I confess: that *was* about y... Uh, I mean, NO, it wasn't!)
That is just another reason I think this is about brain wiring and not psychology. The "masks" theory would provide a handy background right about now if anyone can throw in the appropriate paragraphs, Your Highness Empress --I wouldn't know which ones to chose as I have only barely-functional familiarity with this theory.
Just so it's not left hanging in the air... I remember "changing" into another person when writing at a very young age, thus way before the internet; even then my writing was filled with characteristics that don't quite belong to me and in fact aren't.
Later, when I was 13 my two brothers and I "wrote" a "song" with almost 4 chords about the Delphi Oracle: "At the Delphi oracle I met the seer Rhea/she told me I was going to marry an old bag". HEY!!! IT RHYMED! I WAS 13! And if you ever mention that again I will kill you! It went on, blissfully letting you think that Rhea was from the Delphi oracle, which we already knew wasn't true (BUT IT RHYMED) to tell you about that smoke coming out of the ground and I WILL kill you if you ever mention that again!
Then again, when I was 37 I wrote a song about the pleasure of peeing standing up, ("I pee close/I pee far/by the bush/in a jar") so what?
In any case, Delphi has been a recurring thought for about a week. I knew I was going to use it. I will now, as I will call it the "oracular mode" (For God's sake, it's a mental MODEL, nothing else.) That is supposed to mean that the right person has to ask the right question at the right time because the right answer is ready and pre-made in my head.
Everyone has the same circuitry. The difference between writing and speaking, that is, the difference that I experience, is that oracular mode. Everyone, not only me, has an oracular mode, and everyone who gives any importance to any answer they output must necessarily enter oracular mode. It doesn't run on the regular brain wiring, it's all special --if you want to take that as a warning about stinky mediums in the regular population who don't even know they are stinky, much less mediums, go right ahead.
However, even if you are in prison and make 4 dollars a month, most people are not worth as little as the time you will spend reading their oracular output. I, for one, don't take just *anyone* in oracular mode.
As far as I understand it, the oracular mode is just not for everyone to act on. Most of the people who try stink at it. Note that I do, yes I do, tread an "oracular mode" as someone else independent of me, I wouldn't treat it as anything less in anyone else.
I could go on but I would need weeks to organize thoughts and it's not worth it.
Going back to the question "do the same filters apply?":
They most certainly are different filters.
Agreed, but the original statement by the Empress:
QUOTE
This article attempts to explain a certain phenomenon that seems to happen on the net. It is why people get nastier behind a cloak of anonymity. I had wondered about that. Internet communication is fairly new, and it has revealed some surprising results about ***human psychology***
indicated that they are confusing brain wiring with psychology! I guess it's valid... I guess.
But I am a reading person and a writing person. I can attest that very clearly -at least to me- the brain circuits are different if I am talking to someone or writing to someone.
For the record: I am not even talky except with the people I really, really click with. But writing, I am someone else, and I have a very different personality.
That goes with the amount of effort that I put into the circuitry that I use to talk -not much- and to write -he doesn't stop editing his ideas... I wish he wold shut up sometimes. But I do like him.
I wouldn't confuse that with mere psychology, Empress. It's neurological.
Edit:
(The irony of ironies is that
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| This article attempts to explain a certain phenomenon that seems to happen on the net. It is why people get nastier behind a cloak of anonymity. I had wondered about that. Internet communication is fairly new, and it has revealed some surprising results about ***human psychology*** |
indicated that they are confusing brain wiring with psychology! I guess it's valid... I guess.
But I am a reading person and a writing person. I can attest that very clearly -at least to me- the brain circuits are different if I am talking to someone or writing to someone.
For the record: I am not even talky except with the people I really, really click with. But writing, I am someone else, and I have a very different personality.
That goes with the amount of effort that I put into the circuitry that I use to talk -not much- and to write -he doesn't stop editing his ideas... I wish he wold shut up sometimes. But I do like him.
I wouldn't confuse that with mere psychology, Empress. It's neurological.
Edit:
(The irony of ironies is that
The screen itself, is like a brick wall, with only a few bricks missing. This defense, this ''stronghold'' is what normally gives the internet user a sense of his or her own power. It's... strange at best, that we might believe that this alter ego holds ny importance with anyone else, but it certainly means a lot to the person in question.
even though there might be a little something to the (psychological) theory of the wish for an "alter ego" for defense, the neurological suggestion is coming from me, someone who is someone else and has never had any wish to be someone else!)
QUOTE (IAmoraes+)
But I am a reading person and a writing person. I can attest that very clearly -at least to me- the brain circuits are different if I am talking to someone or writing to someone.
Do the same filters still apply?
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In 'reality' I would avoid anyone who is habitually rude - on the Internet I have to tolerate openly malicious people so I can have a dialogue with the people I actually want to exchange information with.
I am still relatively new to the Internet and still experimenting with ways to deal with 'Internet malice'.
-C2.
Do the same filters still apply?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In 'reality' I would avoid anyone who is habitually rude - on the Internet I have to tolerate openly malicious people so I can have a dialogue with the people I actually want to exchange information with.
I am still relatively new to the Internet and still experimenting with ways to deal with 'Internet malice'.
-C2.
QUOTE (Confused2+Oct 28 2008, 06:01 PM)
I am still relatively new to the Internet and still experimenting with ways to deal with 'Internet malice'.
Noob!
Noob!
So far the best way seems to be to call the *** a f*cking idiot and pull the plug out.
Nice, thanks. 
I am a n00b as well, in many ways. Very sad, indeed...
Very funny, thank you!
I invented the internet before Al Gore invented the Ithym, but no one noticed.
Haven't you been invited to the
yet?
I am a n00b as well, in many ways. Very sad, indeed...
Very funny, thank you!
I invented the internet before Al Gore invented the Ithym, but no one noticed.
Haven't you been invited to the
yet?QUOTE (yor_on+Oct 28 2008, 10:52 AM)
A good one Empress:)
The emperors new cloths unveiled sort of.
------------
Btw: I agree to it being the anonymity enabling it.
That as well as the normal cowardice you can see shown by bystanders when victims gets attacked in the street.
You get away with being a coward, at least you think you do:)
I personally think it's because you can't just walk away. If someone at work or wherever started talking BS, you would just laugh and ignore it. Here, that person gets open forum and it's very difficult to ignore someone who's telling you you're wrong when when they don't know sh!t!
But that only explains the science discussions which descend a little. The real rubbish that goes on here is mostly boredom I guess (like beer w/straw said).
The emperors new cloths unveiled sort of.
------------
Btw: I agree to it being the anonymity enabling it.
That as well as the normal cowardice you can see shown by bystanders when victims gets attacked in the street.
You get away with being a coward, at least you think you do:)
I personally think it's because you can't just walk away. If someone at work or wherever started talking BS, you would just laugh and ignore it. Here, that person gets open forum and it's very difficult to ignore someone who's telling you you're wrong when when they don't know sh!t!
But that only explains the science discussions which descend a little. The real rubbish that goes on here is mostly boredom I guess (like beer w/straw said).
QUOTE
Do the same filters still apply?
AFAICT, not a chance. Writing/reading is only done in your head. The lady who smiled to you when you bought groceries will affect your input, the course of your thinking, and your output When you talk to a person you talk to a person. You are effectively a million people speaking at once when outputting over the internet, for instance. If you are doing it right, that is. If not... you are a poor you(!!!).
This is not to say that some people can't be the exact opposite, of course: I am talking about *me*.
When you are writing --and again, IF you are doing it right-- you are the total sum of all experiences of all the dealings you have had with people.
I find it impossible to be that when I am speaking, I am a mediocre speaker and an unimposing presence even for my cat, but my personality -that is, my psychology- is the same speaking OR e-writing.
(OK, AN, I confess: that *was* about you! So SUE ME!
)It's just that the character IAMoraes is a separate entity with a separate identity and personality... I just have to kill him off now.
(OK, AN, I confess: that *was* about y... Uh, I mean, NO, it wasn't!)
That is just another reason I think this is about brain wiring and not psychology. The "masks" theory would provide a handy background right about now if anyone can throw in the appropriate paragraphs, Your Highness Empress --I wouldn't know which ones to chose as I have only barely-functional familiarity with this theory.
Just so it's not left hanging in the air... I remember "changing" into another person when writing at a very young age, thus way before the internet; even then my writing was filled with characteristics that don't quite belong to me and in fact aren't.
Later, when I was 13 my two brothers and I "wrote" a "song" with almost 4 chords about the Delphi Oracle: "At the Delphi oracle I met the seer Rhea/she told me I was going to marry an old bag". HEY!!! IT RHYMED! I WAS 13! And if you ever mention that again I will kill you! It went on, blissfully letting you think that Rhea was from the Delphi oracle, which we already knew wasn't true (BUT IT RHYMED) to tell you about that smoke coming out of the ground and I WILL kill you if you ever mention that again!
Then again, when I was 37 I wrote a song about the pleasure of peeing standing up, ("I pee close/I pee far/by the bush/in a jar") so what?
In any case, Delphi has been a recurring thought for about a week. I knew I was going to use it. I will now, as I will call it the "oracular mode" (For God's sake, it's a mental MODEL, nothing else.) That is supposed to mean that the right person has to ask the right question at the right time because the right answer is ready and pre-made in my head.
Everyone has the same circuitry. The difference between writing and speaking, that is, the difference that I experience, is that oracular mode. Everyone, not only me, has an oracular mode, and everyone who gives any importance to any answer they output must necessarily enter oracular mode. It doesn't run on the regular brain wiring, it's all special --if you want to take that as a warning about stinky mediums in the regular population who don't even know they are stinky, much less mediums, go right ahead.
However, even if you are in prison and make 4 dollars a month, most people are not worth as little as the time you will spend reading their oracular output. I, for one, don't take just *anyone* in oracular mode.
As far as I understand it, the oracular mode is just not for everyone to act on. Most of the people who try stink at it. Note that I do, yes I do, tread an "oracular mode" as someone else independent of me, I wouldn't treat it as anything less in anyone else.
I could go on but I would need weeks to organize thoughts and it's not worth it.
Going back to the question "do the same filters apply?":
They most certainly are different filters.
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