Sorry if this has been asked before, but it just occurred to me and it's bothering me. I am definitely not a physicist.
When we look out into space we're looking back in time. Also, the early universe was smaller than today's universe. Indeed, there was a time when the universe was the size of a walnut (and inflating fast), correct?
So, why is it that when we look at galaxies that are nine, ten, eleven billion light years, and more, away from us (i.e., at the ancient universe), space is so blooming big? By my calculations, there is more space out there (and, by inference, back then) than there is in the inner nine billion light years. Shouldn't it be smaller out there than it appears to be? Shouldn't the galaxies be closer together out there because there is less space for them? Shouldn't it appear that we're perhaps somehow looking down a funnel at distant space, a smaller space, instead of looking out at this vast expanse of ancient space? Thank you.
The trick is to remember that our *visible* universe was 'the size of a walnut'. We have no idea how big the 'actual' universe is.
Also the universe was opaque for certain amount of it's early expansion.
While we look into the space we see just a curvature of the 1 dimensional universe. but remember there could be infinite dimensions in space but fortunately those are not understandable by us.
QUOTE (hpdrdoom+Mar 9 2012, 04:22 AM)
While we look into the space we see just a curvature of the 1 dimensional universe. but remember there could be infinite dimensions in space but fortunately those are not understandable by us.
There are no infinite dimensions in space... That's the crazy math talking... Its 'imagination' (time) has been running wild... lol
It now seems that gravity is the highway for all particles, photons, etc to travel over... Before there is matter in the void there is no gravity.., no highway, nothing for anything to travel over.., and therefore no means for us to see it or know of it...
But when matter and mass travel into the void.., it brings its own gravity with it., therefore providing the highway system by which all else can be seen, measured, and know of.
Some day soon I'll write a paper explaining everything...
Or if you want to read back through my posts, you'll see what I'll be including...
Replacing time with gravity answers all the questions, paradox's, and gets rid of fantasy land in deal... No more time travel, dilation, folding, etc...
Wow.., 'time' really had people going for awhile... Some still believe it exists in the cosmos.
Take care... Read carefully... Don't take my word for anything... Just ignore those who need to disagree and think for yourself... Those others are just afraid of losing their 'investment'...
Original:
http://www.ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html
Easier to read:
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Speed_of_Gravity.htm
There are no infinite dimensions in space... That's the crazy math talking... Its 'imagination' (time) has been running wild... lol
It now seems that gravity is the highway for all particles, photons, etc to travel over... Before there is matter in the void there is no gravity.., no highway, nothing for anything to travel over.., and therefore no means for us to see it or know of it...
But when matter and mass travel into the void.., it brings its own gravity with it., therefore providing the highway system by which all else can be seen, measured, and know of.
Some day soon I'll write a paper explaining everything...
Or if you want to read back through my posts, you'll see what I'll be including... Replacing time with gravity answers all the questions, paradox's, and gets rid of fantasy land in deal... No more time travel, dilation, folding, etc...
Wow.., 'time' really had people going for awhile... Some still believe it exists in the cosmos.
Take care... Read carefully... Don't take my word for anything... Just ignore those who need to disagree and think for yourself... Those others are just afraid of losing their 'investment'...
Original:
http://www.ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html
Easier to read:
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Speed_of_Gravity.htm
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 11 2012, 02:11 AM)
Just ignore those who need to disagree and think for yourself... .
That's just willful ignorance;- your inept posts paint a hulking giant of ill-educated delusion.
Firstly, learn a foundation - building on nonsense with poppycock scaffolding, will a billion times out of a billion lead you nowhere ...... a pathetic waste of effort for both yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to read your abysmally sad gibberish garnished claptrap.
Once you have a working basis, only then dare to lay your 'bricks'.
That's just willful ignorance;- your inept posts paint a hulking giant of ill-educated delusion.
Firstly, learn a foundation - building on nonsense with poppycock scaffolding, will a billion times out of a billion lead you nowhere ...... a pathetic waste of effort for both yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to read your abysmally sad gibberish garnished claptrap.
Once you have a working basis, only then dare to lay your 'bricks'.
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 10 2012, 08:11 PM)
Wow.., 'time' really had people going for awhile... Some still believe it exists in the cosmos.
Who believes time exists "in" the cosmos?
Who believes time exists "in" the cosmos?
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 11 2012, 03:09 AM)
That's just willful ignorance;- your inept posts paint a hulking giant of ill-educated delusion.
Firstly, learn a foundation - building on nonsense with poppycock scaffolding, will a billion times out of a billion lead you nowhere ...... a pathetic waste of effort for both yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to read your abysmally sad gibberish garnished claptrap.
Once you have a working basis, only then dare to lay your 'bricks'.
I've got my foundation... More than the screwloose mystics who keep berating everyone else for not having 'faith'.., and who can't give any logical reason for doing so... I'm sitting in my chair and the clock telling me what time it is in my time zone on earth... That's because gravity is making it run at that speed... When I go off into space and take it with me.., it isn't that dumbass clock that's making time go slower... It's what everyone KNOWS is causing that clock to run slow... Gravity. Same thing that makes me say younger than if I had stayed at home... *Time* has nothing to do with it... It's an analogy for gravity... And when you stop using it instead of gravity it all becomes crystal clear...
So YOU can also join AlexG as being unable to explain where anything I have said is wrong... Where it does not work as I said it does or can... Tell me why it can't...
Freud didn't go to college to become a psychiatrist... So why would I want to go to college to become a physicist, where I'd be taught the wrong theory...? That's what they'd teach me, you know..? That's what they taught you.., you know that too.? You did go to college I take it..?
So go ahead and try explaining what you're going by.., instead of shooting off your mouth with high sounding words of elitism...
Firstly, learn a foundation - building on nonsense with poppycock scaffolding, will a billion times out of a billion lead you nowhere ...... a pathetic waste of effort for both yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to read your abysmally sad gibberish garnished claptrap.
Once you have a working basis, only then dare to lay your 'bricks'.
I've got my foundation... More than the screwloose mystics who keep berating everyone else for not having 'faith'.., and who can't give any logical reason for doing so... I'm sitting in my chair and the clock telling me what time it is in my time zone on earth... That's because gravity is making it run at that speed... When I go off into space and take it with me.., it isn't that dumbass clock that's making time go slower... It's what everyone KNOWS is causing that clock to run slow... Gravity. Same thing that makes me say younger than if I had stayed at home... *Time* has nothing to do with it... It's an analogy for gravity... And when you stop using it instead of gravity it all becomes crystal clear...
So YOU can also join AlexG as being unable to explain where anything I have said is wrong... Where it does not work as I said it does or can... Tell me why it can't...
Freud didn't go to college to become a psychiatrist... So why would I want to go to college to become a physicist, where I'd be taught the wrong theory...? That's what they'd teach me, you know..? That's what they taught you.., you know that too.? You did go to college I take it..?
So go ahead and try explaining what you're going by.., instead of shooting off your mouth with high sounding words of elitism...
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 10 2012, 09:28 PM)
Freud didn't go to college to become a psychiatrist... So why would I want to go to college to become a physicist, where I'd be taught the wrong theory...?
I've corrected you on this before. Freud completed his medical studies at the University of Vienna in 1881 and in 1885 studied under Charcot, a neurologist who was doing research with hypnosis.
He had his foundation, so you cannot use him as you example of neglecting your own.
I've corrected you on this before. Freud completed his medical studies at the University of Vienna in 1881 and in 1885 studied under Charcot, a neurologist who was doing research with hypnosis.
He had his foundation, so you cannot use him as you example of neglecting your own.
QUOTE (synthsin75+Mar 11 2012, 03:38 AM)
I've corrected you on this before. Freud completed his medical studies at the University of Vienna in 1881 and in 1885 studied under Charcot, a neurologist who was doing research with hypnosis.
He had his foundation, so you cannot use him as you example of neglecting your own.
And like before you missed the point... The colleges weren't offering courses in psychiatry... He *founded* that concept and practice of psychiatry from what he learned elsewhere. He made up his own mind without any one telling him WHAT to think...
Exactly as I'm doing...
You and others here are only non-thinking parrots...
You want a cracker..? lol
He had his foundation, so you cannot use him as you example of neglecting your own.
And like before you missed the point... The colleges weren't offering courses in psychiatry... He *founded* that concept and practice of psychiatry from what he learned elsewhere. He made up his own mind without any one telling him WHAT to think...
Exactly as I'm doing...
You and others here are only non-thinking parrots...
You want a cracker..? lol
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 11 2012, 03:28 AM)
So go ahead and try explaining what you're going by.., instead of shooting off your mouth with high sounding words of elitism...
Sure ..... and this is just pre-school common sense;-
So from what you've wrenched from the anal sphincter, is the notion;- "time is gravity"
In deepest intergalactic space, stationary with regards to your observable univese, where the only 'measurable' gravity would be due to you and your clown-ship.
According to you;- your clock would run almost infinitely fast compared to one on Earth.
Is this correct?
....... Hell, no, Bozo!!
Sure ..... and this is just pre-school common sense;-
So from what you've wrenched from the anal sphincter, is the notion;- "time is gravity"
In deepest intergalactic space, stationary with regards to your observable univese, where the only 'measurable' gravity would be due to you and your clown-ship.
According to you;- your clock would run almost infinitely fast compared to one on Earth.
Is this correct?
....... Hell, no, Bozo!!
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 11 2012, 04:33 AM)
Sure ..... and this is just pre-school common sense;-
So from what you've wrenched from the anal sphincter, is the notion;- "time is gravity"
In deepest intergalactic space, stationary with regards to your observable univese, where the only 'measurable' gravity would be due to you and your clown-ship.
According to you;- your clock would run almost infinitely fast compared to one on Earth.
Is this correct?
....... Hell, no, Bozo!!
Your close but no cigar... Because time does not really exist, except in your head.., along with some other's heads too I'm afraid... You and they can't comprehend anything without it... That's a pretty nasty handicap for people who are supposed to be able to theorize and postulate...
But., since there is no gravity out there, yes there would be nothing to slow *aging*.., which is what I think you meant to say... As we are slowed here on earth.., and more so with things entering black holes... It's linear you know..? From total gravity being total suspended animation to no gravity meaning everything ages at the speed of light. Percentage wise... Ratio wise... It's how relativity is figured you know..? Using percents..?
Every gravity field is it's OWN preferred reference frame. That's why light is the same to all frames... All of them see things as normal... Earth is the only one abnormal.., because it uses Einstein and Time to go by... lol
So yes my clock would run extremely fast... And that being no more difficult to understand than what we're told by your side. That those distant planets are rushing away from us at .9 c... Now that is something really difficult to comprehend.., don't you agree..? Of course you won't... But it is... Where do you think that energy comes from...? And increasing all the time at that..? Of course..., from fantasy land...
Did you ever think that they're not leaving us at all..? That they're simply aging at an extremely high rate of speed...? That this is what's causing the red shift..? But no, you don't know how that could happen.., so it must not be happening...
In any case.., what's the difference how much we think they're aging. They're rocks.., and they can hide their age really well... And remember too that they're in their own preferred reference frame and so they don't even know they're aging...
They just see us here on earth almost totally inert... Barely moving at allll... They're thinking out there that just maybe.., those very slow movers and thinkers on earth will amount to something some day... lol
You don't really understand how anything really works.., do you...
So from what you've wrenched from the anal sphincter, is the notion;- "time is gravity"
In deepest intergalactic space, stationary with regards to your observable univese, where the only 'measurable' gravity would be due to you and your clown-ship.
According to you;- your clock would run almost infinitely fast compared to one on Earth.
Is this correct?
....... Hell, no, Bozo!!
Your close but no cigar... Because time does not really exist, except in your head.., along with some other's heads too I'm afraid... You and they can't comprehend anything without it... That's a pretty nasty handicap for people who are supposed to be able to theorize and postulate...
But., since there is no gravity out there, yes there would be nothing to slow *aging*.., which is what I think you meant to say... As we are slowed here on earth.., and more so with things entering black holes... It's linear you know..? From total gravity being total suspended animation to no gravity meaning everything ages at the speed of light. Percentage wise... Ratio wise... It's how relativity is figured you know..? Using percents..?
Every gravity field is it's OWN preferred reference frame. That's why light is the same to all frames... All of them see things as normal... Earth is the only one abnormal.., because it uses Einstein and Time to go by... lol
So yes my clock would run extremely fast... And that being no more difficult to understand than what we're told by your side. That those distant planets are rushing away from us at .9 c... Now that is something really difficult to comprehend.., don't you agree..? Of course you won't... But it is... Where do you think that energy comes from...? And increasing all the time at that..? Of course..., from fantasy land...
Did you ever think that they're not leaving us at all..? That they're simply aging at an extremely high rate of speed...? That this is what's causing the red shift..? But no, you don't know how that could happen.., so it must not be happening...
In any case.., what's the difference how much we think they're aging. They're rocks.., and they can hide their age really well... And remember too that they're in their own preferred reference frame and so they don't even know they're aging...
They just see us here on earth almost totally inert... Barely moving at allll... They're thinking out there that just maybe.., those very slow movers and thinkers on earth will amount to something some day... lol
You don't really understand how anything really works.., do you...
Gravity = Time is a braindead concept ........ just like you.
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 11 2012, 05:26 AM)
Your close but no cigar... Because time does not really exist, except in your head.., along with some other's heads too I'm afraid... You and they can't comprehend anything without it... That's a pretty nasty handicap for people who are supposed to be able to theorize and postulate...
But., since there is no gravity out there, yes there would be nothing to slow *aging*.., which is what I think you meant to say... As we are slowed here on earth.., and more so with things entering black holes... It's linear you know..? From total gravity being total suspended animation to no gravity meaning everything ages at the speed of light. Percentage wise... Ratio wise... It's how relativity is figured you know..? Using percents..?
Every gravity field is it's OWN preferred reference frame. That's why light is the same to all frames... All of them see things as normal... Earth is the only one abnormal.., because it uses Einstein and Time to go by... lol
So yes my clock would run extremely fast... And that being no more difficult to understand than what we're told by your side. That those distant planets are rushing away from us at .9 c... Now that is something really difficult to comprehend.., don't you agree..? Of course you won't... But it is... Where do you think that energy comes from...? And increasing all the time at that..? Of course..., from fantasy land...
Did you ever think that they're not leaving us at all..? That they're simply aging at an extremely high rate of speed...? That this is what's causing the red shift..? But no, you don't know how that could happen.., so it must not be happening...
In any case.., what's the difference how much we think they're aging. They're rocks.., and they can hide their age really well... And remember too that they're in their own preferred reference frame and so they don't even know they're aging...
They just see us here on earth almost totally inert... Barely moving at allll... They're thinking out there that just maybe.., those very slow movers and thinkers on earth will amount to something some day... lol
You don't really understand how anything really works.., do you...
Well done ...... you've amazingly got everything wrong;- guess you're obviously some unfathomably pathetic old fart, realizing (only now) he's entirely hosed-up his pitiful existence ..... couple this with raging dementia. guilt and an immoderate lashing of neurological disorder (of the delusion variety)
Confess, and die in peace.
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 11 2012, 05:26 AM)
You don't really understand how anything really works.., do you...
Wrong in the extreme ....... but I could no more share my understanding with you, than lobotomized household dust.
Wrong in the extreme ....... but I could no more share my understanding with you, than lobotomized household dust.
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 11 2012, 05:48 AM)
Well done ...... you've amazingly got everything wrong;- guess you're obviously some unfathomably pathetic old fart, realizing (only now) he's entirely hosed-up his pitiful existence ..... couple this with raging dementia. guilt and an immoderate lashing of neurological disorder (of the delusion variety)
Confess, and die in peace.
Ok lost cause... I knew it would be...
So where is everyting wrong..? Nahh.., never mind... You know it isn't.
Buit I'm going to stop playing the game for now... I enjoy it for awhile cause it gives me more opportunity to get the facts out., and to show who the pretenders to the title of physicists are...
I'll just keep putting the facts out where I think they'll do good and you children can keep chasing after with your name calling... That will help...
Confess, and die in peace.
Ok lost cause... I knew it would be...
So where is everyting wrong..? Nahh.., never mind... You know it isn't.
Buit I'm going to stop playing the game for now... I enjoy it for awhile cause it gives me more opportunity to get the facts out., and to show who the pretenders to the title of physicists are...
I'll just keep putting the facts out where I think they'll do good and you children can keep chasing after with your name calling... That will help...
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 10 2012, 09:50 PM)
And like before you missed the point... The colleges weren't offering courses in psychiatry... He *founded* that concept and practice of psychiatry from what he learned elsewhere. He made up his own mind without any one telling him WHAT to think...
Exactly as I'm doing...
You and others here are only non-thinking parrots...
You want a cracker..? lol
First, Freud developed psychoanalysis, NOT psychiatry. At least learn the facts of what you are trying to use to bolster your excuses. Second, you can't get any closer to studying that subject, at the time, than to study neurology and hypnosis. What you're claiming is like saying that, say, Newton developed calculus without any prior education in mathematics.
No one advances a subject without a thorough education in it. What Freud did was actually study all available information related to his field of interest. Only then did he know enough to synthesize any new developments. You have yet to demonstrate that you understand current physics. And yes, accusations of "parroting" are the mating call of cranks everywhere. But then, cranks so rarely seem to have the sense to know when what they say sounds just like a crank.
You seem to have some sort of authority issues. This is not really the appropriate place to work these out. But speaking of Freud, might I suggest some therapy?
QUOTE (photo_guy+Mar 11 2012, 03:50 AM)
And like before you missed the point... The colleges weren't offering courses in psychiatry... He *founded* that concept and practice of psychiatry from what he learned elsewhere. He made up his own mind without any one telling him WHAT to think...
Exactly as I'm doing...
I'm not going to discourage college for anyone who wants to contribute to physics, but you have a good point. Physics certainly could benefit from original thinking, because an incredible number of physicists were taught the older theories first, and then have to build upon that knowledge.
If you were to become an expert at mathematics (I'd suggest college, but one can get excellent mathematical skill w/o college), and THEN foray into physics, you might be able to offer insights and solutions that others might not see.
Both Newton's and Einstein's great contributions were from a mathematical foundation, and often needed new thinking in math to forward.
A PhD in math before becoming a physicist might suit someone like you.
Exactly as I'm doing...
I'm not going to discourage college for anyone who wants to contribute to physics, but you have a good point. Physics certainly could benefit from original thinking, because an incredible number of physicists were taught the older theories first, and then have to build upon that knowledge.
If you were to become an expert at mathematics (I'd suggest college, but one can get excellent mathematical skill w/o college), and THEN foray into physics, you might be able to offer insights and solutions that others might not see.
Both Newton's and Einstein's great contributions were from a mathematical foundation, and often needed new thinking in math to forward.
A PhD in math before becoming a physicist might suit someone like you.
QUOTE (El_Machinae+Mar 16 2012, 05:30 PM)
I'm not going to discourage college for anyone who wants to contribute to physics, but you have a good point. Physics certainly could benefit from original thinking, because an incredible number of physicists were taught the older theories first, and then have to build upon that knowledge.
If you were to become an expert at mathematics (I'd suggest college, but one can get excellent mathematical skill w/o college), and THEN foray into physics, you might be able to offer insights and solutions that others might not see.
Both Newton's and Einstein's great contributions were from a mathematical foundation, and often needed new thinking in math to forward.
A PhD in math before becoming a physicist might suit someone like you.
El_Machinae
Hola.. Thanks for the support on the need to go out on a limb at times... I've been hearing the opposite from the too many parrots out there who want to play it safe... To no one's advantage... Your note is a breath of fresh air...
College courses are necessary in almost all cases of the more complicated processes we deal with today. There aren't many people out there who can know things instinctively... But I'm sure in this case, colleges have become locked into passing on the continuous 'advances' that are made in the wrong direction. The instructors and boards are people too, and everyone has bonded with time here on earth... They see it as their friend. But unfortunately it turns out to be the enemy when put into space...
The cosmos does not sue anyone for being wrong. Not even the school for teaching it wrong. They would get sued though, if they taught outside the 'accepted' realm of thought. By the people who took their courses and found the rest of the world wasn't dealing with that truer concept. So physicist don't really need to be exactly correct. They can 'theorize' to their heart's content... It's a job like building bombs. No one complains when they don't work. They just keep building new ones... ha!
Colleges are passing on what is claimed to be proven, workable, factual pieces of knowledge that one must believe..., no matter how weird. Not many, including the schools, dare step out of line or they will be trampled by the herd. Of course *most* of it is logical, workable, and real.., but where it's wrong.., it's mind bogglingly wrong... Time is screwing up everyone's mind and every other atom in the universe. It seems to me now to be an unstoppable avalanche of trash...
All those mathematical formulae that are based on it really need to be forgotten and never used again. Perhaps rewritten to include what is physical only.
I understand the thought about the math... But... There are things that do not need to be proven with math... You can't prove a negative, with math or whatever. That time does not exist, as in this case... But I can easily envision the cosmos without time... That it's a continuous analog movement without the need for time. Simply continued by natural forces. All of those actions out there are what create what WE see as time, but then don't need it themselves... No time is necessary... As my steak in the freezer is thinking it's still warm and cozy from just being cut from the flank of a steer.., it doesn't know that a year of earth's time has passed... It's physical operations are slowed by being frozen... Not because time slowed inside the freezer... People just have to get smarter, you know..?
Gravity is the same as my freezer... Except for there being different degrees in different areas of the cosmos. The various specific gravity fields. Instead of so called 'time dilated' areas. Like 'time' itself is controlling the hands of the clock..? lol How does the clock know time slowed down..? When the clock is simply recording the difference in gravity it experiences at different points in space and/or velocity, as opposed to the specific gravity it was 'built' to work in. That of earth, to keep track of where its meridian was at any one point in its revolution.
No need to know math to know that...
As for the math needed to replace time..? That can be done with simple algebra... As in a few of my previous posts... The amounts of gravity throughout the cosmos is the true relativity... When that is accepted, all the paradox's melt away. Everything is clearly explained. One can actually visualize how everything works in harmony... At least I can. Math may be needed to work out fine, fine details.., but really..., putting a clock anywhere will only measure the gravity difference between earth and that other point. Or use a gravimeter if you want to be technical.. But the clock and the gravimeter will compare favorably, I'm sure. Gravity relativity can then be mapped all over the place.., as they've done with the geoid...
As that geoid btw show different parts of earth are aging at different speeds too... At the atomic level and below... Is that not all perfectly logical..? I've been asking where anyone can say it's not., and why... I'm ready to be proven wrong... It would be easier on me to know I am than to have to keep putting up with trolls and SR devotees...
My basic thought.., not requiring math at all.., is that man has taken the concept of time., from his imagination, and caused it to be a working factor of the cosmos. That simple mistake has created the concept of time dilation, time travel, multiple universes, worm holes, holograms from black holes, and a host of other totally weird things going on out there... So... All I know.., which takes no math to understand.., is that when time is gone.., all the rest of that will go poof..., and disappear... We'll then and only then.., come to see the cosmos as it really is... We'll have the theory of everything...
And Einstein was rotten at math himself... And he tried to forget gravity existed...
So his time now, running wild in the math, is deluding everyone.
In any case.., thanks again for the understanding of what should be thought about..
If you were to become an expert at mathematics (I'd suggest college, but one can get excellent mathematical skill w/o college), and THEN foray into physics, you might be able to offer insights and solutions that others might not see.
Both Newton's and Einstein's great contributions were from a mathematical foundation, and often needed new thinking in math to forward.
A PhD in math before becoming a physicist might suit someone like you.
El_Machinae
Hola.. Thanks for the support on the need to go out on a limb at times... I've been hearing the opposite from the too many parrots out there who want to play it safe... To no one's advantage... Your note is a breath of fresh air...
College courses are necessary in almost all cases of the more complicated processes we deal with today. There aren't many people out there who can know things instinctively...
But I'm sure in this case, colleges have become locked into passing on the continuous 'advances' that are made in the wrong direction. The instructors and boards are people too, and everyone has bonded with time here on earth... They see it as their friend. But unfortunately it turns out to be the enemy when put into space... The cosmos does not sue anyone for being wrong. Not even the school for teaching it wrong. They would get sued though, if they taught outside the 'accepted' realm of thought. By the people who took their courses and found the rest of the world wasn't dealing with that truer concept. So physicist don't really need to be exactly correct. They can 'theorize' to their heart's content... It's a job like building bombs. No one complains when they don't work. They just keep building new ones... ha!
Colleges are passing on what is claimed to be proven, workable, factual pieces of knowledge that one must believe..., no matter how weird. Not many, including the schools, dare step out of line or they will be trampled by the herd. Of course *most* of it is logical, workable, and real.., but where it's wrong.., it's mind bogglingly wrong... Time is screwing up everyone's mind and every other atom in the universe. It seems to me now to be an unstoppable avalanche of trash...
All those mathematical formulae that are based on it really need to be forgotten and never used again. Perhaps rewritten to include what is physical only.
I understand the thought about the math... But...
There are things that do not need to be proven with math... You can't prove a negative, with math or whatever. That time does not exist, as in this case... But I can easily envision the cosmos without time... That it's a continuous analog movement without the need for time. Simply continued by natural forces. All of those actions out there are what create what WE see as time, but then don't need it themselves... No time is necessary... As my steak in the freezer is thinking it's still warm and cozy from just being cut from the flank of a steer.., it doesn't know that a year of earth's time has passed... It's physical operations are slowed by being frozen... Not because time slowed inside the freezer... People just have to get smarter, you know..? Gravity is the same as my freezer... Except for there being different degrees in different areas of the cosmos. The various specific gravity fields. Instead of so called 'time dilated' areas. Like 'time' itself is controlling the hands of the clock..? lol How does the clock know time slowed down..? When the clock is simply recording the difference in gravity it experiences at different points in space and/or velocity, as opposed to the specific gravity it was 'built' to work in. That of earth, to keep track of where its meridian was at any one point in its revolution.
No need to know math to know that...
As for the math needed to replace time..? That can be done with simple algebra... As in a few of my previous posts... The amounts of gravity throughout the cosmos is the true relativity... When that is accepted, all the paradox's melt away. Everything is clearly explained. One can actually visualize how everything works in harmony... At least I can. Math may be needed to work out fine, fine details.., but really..., putting a clock anywhere will only measure the gravity difference between earth and that other point. Or use a gravimeter if you want to be technical..
But the clock and the gravimeter will compare favorably, I'm sure. Gravity relativity can then be mapped all over the place.., as they've done with the geoid...As that geoid btw show different parts of earth are aging at different speeds too... At the atomic level and below... Is that not all perfectly logical..? I've been asking where anyone can say it's not., and why... I'm ready to be proven wrong... It would be easier on me to know I am than to have to keep putting up with trolls and SR devotees...
My basic thought.., not requiring math at all.., is that man has taken the concept of time., from his imagination, and caused it to be a working factor of the cosmos. That simple mistake has created the concept of time dilation, time travel, multiple universes, worm holes, holograms from black holes, and a host of other totally weird things going on out there... So... All I know.., which takes no math to understand.., is that when time is gone.., all the rest of that will go poof..., and disappear... We'll then and only then.., come to see the cosmos as it really is... We'll have the theory of everything...
And Einstein was rotten at math himself... And he tried to forget gravity existed...
So his time now, running wild in the math, is deluding everyone.
In any case.., thanks again for the understanding of what should be thought about..
Photo guy
I like you!
You are not afraid to think out side the box. After all this is all just theory. Not science
I was watching a program on tv today about a scientist with a lab set up half a mile under ground trying to detect dark matter (what a joke) This guy managed to get servile million dollars to set this bunch of junk up and hes been there for over five years without finding a thing. Its like setting up a dream detector. It would be cheeper
to and more feasible and cheeper to make contact with an advanced alien race and just ask them if dark mater exists or not. This is all because the standard model is fundamentally flawed.
I like you!
You are not afraid to think out side the box. After all this is all just theory. Not science
I was watching a program on tv today about a scientist with a lab set up half a mile under ground trying to detect dark matter (what a joke) This guy managed to get servile million dollars to set this bunch of junk up and hes been there for over five years without finding a thing. Its like setting up a dream detector. It would be cheeper
to and more feasible and cheeper to make contact with an advanced alien race and just ask them if dark mater exists or not. This is all because the standard model is fundamentally flawed.
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Not science
At least there's one thing you got right.
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Mar 19 2012, 12:06 AM)
Photo guy
I like you!
You are not afraid to think out side the box. After all this is all just theory. Not science
I was watching a program on tv today about a scientist with a lab set up half a mile under ground trying to detect dark matter (what a joke) This guy managed to get servile million dollars to set this bunch of junk up and hes been there for over five years without finding a thing. Its like setting up a dream detector. It would be cheeper
to and more feasible and cheeper to make contact with an advanced alien race and just ask them if dark mater exists or not. This is all because the standard model is fundamentally flawed.
Whitewolf...
Thanks for the second breath of fresh air in the past week... The only two I've had since I've been here... lol And did you notice, BAG only thought you were talking about 'outside' the box... ha! BAG is BotAlexG btw...
Hey BAG.., NONE of it is Science the way it's going...
Except mine of course... The only truly, logical, explanation there can possibly be. Someday your programmer is going to be have you try and one line everyone to death who goes against GR and the local gravity field 'theory'... lol
Just look at the points I've proven... It's going to happen.
Yes on the dream catcher WW... That's an apt concept and explanation for what's going on these days... And we're having to pay for it...
A few multi-millions here., a few there... They're paying and praying that no one wakes up to reality...
I like you!
You are not afraid to think out side the box. After all this is all just theory. Not science
I was watching a program on tv today about a scientist with a lab set up half a mile under ground trying to detect dark matter (what a joke) This guy managed to get servile million dollars to set this bunch of junk up and hes been there for over five years without finding a thing. Its like setting up a dream detector. It would be cheeper
to and more feasible and cheeper to make contact with an advanced alien race and just ask them if dark mater exists or not. This is all because the standard model is fundamentally flawed.
Whitewolf...
Thanks for the second breath of fresh air in the past week... The only two I've had since I've been here... lol And did you notice, BAG only thought you were talking about 'outside' the box... ha! BAG is BotAlexG btw...
Hey BAG.., NONE of it is Science the way it's going...
Except mine of course... The only truly, logical, explanation there can possibly be. Someday your programmer is going to be have you try and one line everyone to death who goes against GR and the local gravity field 'theory'... lol
Just look at the points I've proven... It's going to happen.
Yes on the dream catcher WW... That's an apt concept and explanation for what's going on these days... And we're having to pay for it...
A few multi-millions here., a few there... They're paying and praying that no one wakes up to reality...
You really are a wacko, p_g.
I think Shakespeare was a Donut.
~Beer w/Straw
~Beer w/Straw
QUOTE (AlexG+Mar 19 2012, 04:11 AM)
You really are a wacko, p_g.
But at least *I* can explain why I think what I do...
Go ahead... It's your turn... Let's see what a troll bot can do.
But at least *I* can explain why I think what I do...
Go ahead... It's your turn... Let's see what a troll bot can do.
What you think really isn't worth an explanation. It's non-scientific crap.
The troll here is you.
The troll here is you.
QUOTE (AlexG+Mar 19 2012, 04:22 PM)
What you think really isn't worth an explanation. It's non-scientific crap.
The troll here is you.
The troll bot continue doing it's thing...
NOT saying why it's scientific crap... Like *can't*..?
Bot's can't think to say anything original...
It doesn't even know that what it keeps repeating is an admission it can't to anything but....
So it repeats and repeats brainlessly...
The troll here is you.
The troll bot continue doing it's thing...
NOT saying why it's scientific crap... Like *can't*..?
Bot's can't think to say anything original...
It doesn't even know that what it keeps repeating is an admission it can't to anything but....
So it repeats and repeats brainlessly...
Getting back to the original question.
Why is the ancient universe so big?
Who says its any different than it ever was?
I know that answer (THE STANDARD MODLE).
Witch is completely wrong because space and matter are two completely different things and don't mix like oil and water. But they do interact.
Why is the ancient universe so big?
Who says its any different than it ever was?
I know that answer (THE STANDARD MODLE).
Witch is completely wrong because space and matter are two completely different things and don't mix like oil and water. But they do interact.
,,,,, This guy who says time is exchangeable with gravity might be on to something.... IF you think out side of the box...... I don't think he is saying that if you substitute g for s everything works. in my opinion he is saying that time is the only constant because without time how could we measure things? its like a universal ruler..if you think about gravity. think about how gravity changed over a hundred million years. if we are drifting away from the sun we weight as humans (on earth) less that when the planet was closer to the sun. right?
if the universe is ever expanding and contracting doesn't that mean logically that energy is created and destroyed? plus where do black holes come into play with this? does the protons and electrons of atoms get torn apart and shoved back into quarks inside a black hole or in dark matter?
QUOTE (Jon+Mar 27 2012, 08:41 PM)
,,,,, This guy who says time is exchangeable with gravity might be on to something.... IF you think out side of the box...... I don't think he is saying that if you substitute g for s everything works. in my opinion he is saying that time is the only constant because without time how could we measure things? its like a universal ruler..if you think about gravity. think about how gravity changed over a hundred million years. if we are drifting away from the sun we weight as humans (on earth) less that when the planet was closer to the sun. right?
if the universe is ever expanding and contracting doesn't that mean logically that energy is created and destroyed? plus where do black holes come into play with this? does the protons and electrons of atoms get torn apart and shoved back into quarks inside a black hole or in dark matter?
Gravity is a product of matter and so is time.
With out matter there's nothing No time No gravity.
And as far as I know gravity doesn't change it all depends on the amount of mater.
Matter is expanding through empty space but no one knows wether it will ever contract on itself again.
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Gravity is a product of matter and so is time.
With out matter there's nothing No time No gravity.
And as far as I know gravity doesn't change it all depends on the amount of mater.
Matter is expanding through empty space but no one knows wether it will ever contract on itself again
With out matter there's nothing No time No gravity.
And as far as I know gravity doesn't change it all depends on the amount of mater.
Matter is expanding through empty space but no one knows wether it will ever contract on itself again
(Gravity is a Product of matter and so is time) yes because particles are matter and matter has mass? and when you have mass, mass creates gravity? my reasoning is that when gravity is created the subatomic particles and matter change speeds in the cosmos and bond together they drop from one dimension to another creating a massive thing relative to its own physical size, thus creating gravity. time is just, in my opinion, just a way for 4 dimensional creatures (human mind) to make sense of a 3 dimensional world. yes time does not exist as we think it to be continuous in a 4 dimensional world that just consists of protons, neutrons and electrons because just from reasoning can you say that the speeds of the atomic particles as they are them selves are traveling to fast to bond together creating an electronic bond. the particles slow down so into the third dimension to create an atom? and in the 4th dimension gravity as we know little g, in my opinion, does not exist because there are zero atomic bonds to create matter thus there is no mass?
(Gravity doesn't change it all depends on the amount of matter) I think gravity or little g changes, however Big G, or i like to call it cosmic gravity, only is created or destroyed (inter dimension changes between the 3rd and 4th dimension) still proving the law that energy is nether created nor destroyed just transferred.
(Matter is expanding through empty space but no one knows whether it will ever contract on its self again) and empty space only exists in the top or smallest dimension. I'm getting fatter each day as my body and atomic structure keep getting further apart from each other ..... but my body is so small that if this would happen to me it would only take a nano of a nanno second to happen and be ripped into the 4th dimension... then who know where i go from there.. lol
Tossed Word Salad.
QUOTE (AlexG+Mar 28 2012, 07:47 PM)
Tossed Word Salad.
What does 40% warm mean Al?
What does 40% warm mean Al?
QUOTE (Curious_Jon77+Mar 28 2012, 07:29 PM)
(Gravity is a Product of matter and so is time) yes because particles are matter and matter has mass? and when you have mass, mass creates gravity? my reasoning is that when gravity is created the subatomic particles and matter change speeds in the cosmos and bond together they drop from one dimension to another creating a massive thing relative to its own physical size, thus creating gravity. time is just, in my opinion, just a way for 4 dimensional creatures (human mind) to make sense of a 3 dimensional world. yes time does not exist as we think it to be continuous in a 4 dimensional world that just consists of protons, neutrons and electrons because just from reasoning can you say that the speeds of the atomic particles as they are them selves are traveling to fast to bond together creating an electronic bond. the particles slow down so into the third dimension to create an atom? and in the 4th dimension gravity as we know little g, in my opinion, does not exist because there are zero atomic bonds to create matter thus there is no mass?
(Gravity doesn't change it all depends on the amount of matter) I think gravity or little g changes, however Big G, or i like to call it cosmic gravity, only is created or destroyed (inter dimension changes between the 3rd and 4th dimension) still proving the law that energy is nether created nor destroyed just transferred.
(Matter is expanding through empty space but no one knows whether it will ever contract on its self again) and empty space only exists in the top or smallest dimension. I'm getting fatter each day as my body and atomic structure keep getting further apart from each other ..... but my body is so small that if this would happen to me it would only take a nano of a nanno second to happen and be ripped into the 4th dimension... then who know where i go from there.. lol
I totly agree with you and every one else untill it comes to the fat guy getting fatter.
I got a warning for being unkind to the mentally incontinent.
The first warn was UNDESERVED. I've never responded to any of the spammers on this site. (Unless rpenner meant answering the mentally incontinent)
The first warn was UNDESERVED. I've never responded to any of the spammers on this site. (Unless rpenner meant answering the mentally incontinent)
Oh so you have been studying physics so hard that now you have dementia? lol 
I don't mind any responses I'm learning myself as well .... criticism and comments are really welcome to me ... thank you :-)
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