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czeslaw
Mainstream claims it is because an energy exchange by the gravitational waves. We do not observe any gravitational wave till now.

An alternative explanation is a relativistic mass which is observed.
Binary stars are rotating around a common centre of gravity. The heavier star (Black Hole) rotates slower in the system because a shorter radius. A lighter star (neutron star) rotates faster because longer radius (distance from the gravity centre). If the distance between stars is short enough the velocity becomes relativistic in the gravitational field. The potential gravitational energy is transformed into a kinetic energy and into a relativistic mass at least.
Faster oscillations of the particles in the stars cause heavier mass. It increases gravitational attractive force, which means shorter radius and faster rotation.

Gravitational attractive force F=GMm/r^2

Kinetic repulsive force F=mv^2/r

Velocity in balance v^2=GM/r

where M = mass of the system under orbit of the less massive star, r= distance between less massive star and gravity centre.

The velocity does not depends on the mass of the less massive star but of the whole mass under orbit. The more massive star also rotates and its rotations are driven by the less massive star. The relativistic motion of the massive central star causes increase of the gravitational attractive force and the strar spirals towards the gravity centre. The process continues till the whole mass will be uniformly distributed on the orbit.

Accretion disc do not disturb a motion of the central star and it is stable very long time. Accretion disc may be even more massive than the central star but it is uniformly distributed on the orbit.
BenTheMan
Your analysis is wrong. The force is a frame dependant thing. And it's not called ``kinetic repulsive force'', most of us call it ``centripetal''.
Ron
Hi Czeslaw, BenTheMan,
Ben's right but you also have to remember that a BH has a MUCH more powerful gravitational field than a Neutron Star but the strength does decreases inversely proportionally to the distance from it, which would explain why accretion disks can happily revolve around a BH for quite a long time.
Any sharper minds out there please correct any flaws in my reasoning.
Peace,
Ron
BenTheMan
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The more massive star also rotates and its rotations are driven by the less massive star. The relativistic motion of the massive central star causes increase of the gravitational attractive force and the strar spirals towards the gravity centre. The process continues till the whole mass will be uniformly distributed on the orbit.


And this isn't how binary stars work. See this: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics.../discovery.html

And, from this website:
http://universe.nasa.gov/program/pulsars.html

``The waves carry away orbital energy, causing the two bodies to draw slowly closer together. The perfect match between the observed orbital decay and Einstein's prediction is so exquisite that it has convinced almost all physicists and astronomers that gravitational waves must exist.''

Can you fit the data better?
czeslaw
Mainstream prefers the gravitational waves as an explanation of the binary star collapse.
Why the accretions disc does not collapse by that way ?
AlphaNumeric
They do, just billions of times slower.
czeslaw
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Oct 3 2007, 02:34 PM)
They do, just billions of times slower.

I agree.
It is because accretion disc is uniformly distributed around a central star and does not disturbe its motion.
A star around a Black Hole causes rotations of BH around the common centre of gravity which is not at the centre of the Black Hole.
The potential gravitational energy of the star is transformed into kinetic energy of the star and Black Hole around their common gravity centre.
A more frequently oscillations mean more energy and relativistic mass.
I think , it explains stronger gravity between more compact system.
Dallas
QUOTE (czeslaw+Oct 3 2007, 02:58 PM)

A more frequently oscillations mean more energy and relativistic mass.

don't think so
BenTheMan
Inverse r squared explains stronger gravity around more compact systems...
czeslaw
QUOTE (BenTheMan+Oct 3 2007, 03:26 PM)
Inverse r squared explains stronger gravity around more compact systems...

Exactly
The problem is that like in accretion disc the distance remains the same very long time and in binary system the central star also may move with a relativistic velocity and receives relativistic mass. Larger mass under orbit increases centripetal acceleration. The relativistic mass is not big but enough to cause a spiral motion towards the centre.

Proton oscillate more frequently than electron. Some relativistic Cosmic Rays oscillate much more.
Muons coming from the space with a relativistic velocity are more energetic and live longer.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (czeslaw+Oct 3 2007, 04:36 PM)
Proton oscillate more frequently than electron. Some relativistic Cosmic Rays oscillate much more.

Errr.... what?
czeslaw
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Oct 3 2007, 03:39 PM)
Errr.... what?

May be it is not a proper word - oscillation.
Schroendiger call it "Zitterbewegung"
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