Matt
23rd February 2005 - 04:26 PM
QUOTE (Guest_martin+Feb 23 2005, 03:19 PM)
After reading Matt's version of inteligence I'm stuck by not only the accuracy of that account, but for me the close resemblence of it to that of A.D.H.D. Isn't it stange how one is an ability, the other considered a disability? My experience is that with one you can choose to let your mind wander into and out of certain collabrative thoughts, the other is more of a rollercoaster, sit down,strap in hold on. They are probably the same thoughts, just less control over them. In case you're curious, I'm a high school drop out with an I.Q. of 146 and A.D.H.D. I guess the bright side is I save money on thrill ride tickets!
I haven't been diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain I am ADD as well. though I did manage to make it thru High school and 3 years of college. well 2 years of college, the last one really didn't count.
but I assure you, I do not choose to let my mind wander. it does it all on it's own, often when I don't want it too.
philip347
23rd February 2005 - 05:02 PM
Matt' here is a test of your intelligence.
Answer these groupings of questions, if ya can.
A.What is the overall value of Jesus Christ, as opposed to his intrinsic value?
B.Why is the population of India, getting to be very much like the population of the United States?
C.Is mankind on Earth, almost a manufactured, or grown sort of population and how is God similar to Wal-Mart, or a superstore?
D.Does the main Christian God on Earth have an office here and if he does, is or would this office being going into decline?
F.How have personally hand held communications and information storage devices, changed mankind as we know him and has this change been either for the good or bad, or is this statement leading to a relativism?
G.What is the relative morality of young wimen needing money and participating in the action, known as a panty page?
Furthermore attached to this action, is this social action by these girls, to get the money they need, a relativism, as lots and lots of teens do this to get money, or is this a moral infraction?
>defination panty page,, a lite level of erotic web page, were only some elemtns of erontica are shown.This perfomance is often thought to be a money earner for the first second year of college age females, who have trouble makeing money in other way.
H.If the major churches and religions involved in sex scandals, where to have had the issue of sex infraction taken away from the mathematical inclusionary brackets, and had cannibalism replacing sexual infraction, then what would be the nature of the violation?
Too much cannibalism, or canibism is wrong?
J.If mankind were to be able to explore and land on the moon tomorrow and when NASAs spaceship landed there, there were already aliens,. there, living on the moon.Furthermore the aliens publicly went over to our astronauts and said to the astronauts so the words,, "We were already here"?!, got into the i.p news can headset of the astronauts, then how would everyone react to the news and the statements, "We were already here"?!....?
K.If you owned a house-hold rovbot, that cleaned for you as a maid, a roving floor model, that had picked up after you and one day there was a fit of jealousy, which caused your house cat, using a Japanese cat to English translator to come up to you along with this robvot and they were to ask you, who do you love more?...What and how would you answer their question, as the robot cleans up for you, however the cat is a companion that curls up to you, when you enjoy your evenings. (Note robot is a top of the line emergent intelligence model top of the line)
How would you word you answers, so that each did not become estranged?
longlivelinky
24th February 2005 - 10:14 AM
I used to have ADD and was threatened to be put into a special school...but wasnt
Actually it would explain the whole "theres a fine line between madness and genius" similar to how adhd is considered a disability and someone not of adhd is an ability
Matt your interpretation of intelligence is definately in many ways correct, however i think intelligence is defined over many things, your account being one of them for sure
as to "Depending on your surroundings you may not need to acquire a massive amount of knowledge to live normally. For example, a tribesman in Austrailia will most likely not need to know about mortgages as an average person living in the United States will. So, many things need to be considered when determining a person's intelligence. "
As i said before-intelligence is relative unto the goal you seek.
Matt this relativity between intelligence explains why people think youre smart probably, you obviously know a lot about physics and science and science has always had a reputation of being 'amazing" and also "hard to understand" so i think its your friends who cant gain that knowledge as good or well as you and might be in some ways jealous because they want there goals to be similar to yours and have large amounts of the intelligence you hold
longlivelinky
24th February 2005 - 10:18 AM
Phillip-while your questions are interesting i cant fail to notice (and maybe noticing this is what is tests intelligence??) that a lot of the answers are of personal preference, meaning there is no TRUE right or wrong answer?
Which also brings me back to the 130IQ and 180IQ debate
If phillip was extremely ignorant and arrogant and asked them questions and matt didnt answer them the way phillip answers them-phillip being arrogant and ignorant (dont get mad at me im using this as an example ok lol) would say matt is stupid.
Like the way someone with an IQ of 130 might pick something up that someone of an IQ of 180 cannot because there minds have there own "personal preference" and there own way of working, its similar also to when you get a subject in school whereby you cant understand the simple parts everyone else understands yet when you get to the advanced part you seem to one of few who understand-that has happened to me often.
philip347
24th February 2005 - 05:29 PM
Answer, groupings of questions.
A. Ambassador and representative by example. The intrinsic is held by those in need, or the theocracy.
B.Due to electronics and the Indians speaking English and being able to meet worldwide needs.Social contimanination factor.
C.Yes, like a grown product, more like cattle.Yes, through book The Andreasson Affair, seems to be made in component parts, as any product would be?
D.Yes according to Betty Luca, a crystal cave complex, over two miles in length.
F.Some changes destructive, however a relativism, as the more things change, the more they stay the same.
G.A social relativism as this practice is a commonance.If X amount of money is only supplied from a certain source, then in order to maintain their personal economies, what was once thought of as immoral, is now considered middle of the road.
H.Another relativism, as this would mean that in some respects, mankind would already be cannibals.Too much of anything.
J.Everyone would say, they were already there, why didn't we know, the government must have known, or the aliens were sneaky?
K.Cats aren't onus to anyone or anything.They take things in their own time and warm up, when they want to.
So make peace with the rovbot and the cat, however let the cat accept the rovbot on his own terms, in his own good time?
Matt
24th February 2005 - 05:57 PM
so how do you score this?
and if you get all the questions on an iq test right, how do they tell what your IQ is?
philip347
25th February 2005 - 12:14 AM
Re Matt, Clan Of The Cave-bear, Ayiallia
galactic warrior
27th February 2005 - 05:14 AM
hehee i got an average 100 and i guessed it all lol hehehehhehehe guess im not academically associated or talanted enough but when i get my space drive up an runnin hehehehe i still wont pass their tests
the1physicist
27th February 2005 - 09:06 PM
Folks, ADD doesn't exist! Kids have short attention spans, it's just a fact of life. The only reason kids get diagnosed with "ADD" is because teachers don't want to have to deal with the normal activity of kids. It's getting so bad that the teachers are going to start saying, "Ok, here's your book, and here's your riddelin. Next!" Seriously, I bet that'll happen within the decade.
Another Guest
28th February 2005 - 12:00 AM
I disagree. I think that ADD does exist, but it is severely over-diagnosed. Also, I think that it is more of a continuum, with no set line that delineates whether or not one has it.
I do know that Ritalin worked wonders for me as a boy. I was much happier and my grades shot up.
It is now my hypothesis that I ADD is a mild form of autism.
Back on topic: years ago, I saw on a show on PBS that there are several different kinds of intelligence. I don't remember whether it was 7 or 9, but I do remember it was an odd number (funny how the mind plays that kind of tricks on you). These different kinds of intelligence are present in everybody, with their levels independent of each other, so someone might excel in one area, but be a little slow in another area. The IQ test measures only a few of these, and unevenly at that.
Matt
28th February 2005 - 03:01 AM
I also think ADD exists. mostly because I'm not a kid anymore and I still have a problem with it. though I went to school before ADD so I was just lazy.
when they locked me in the closet all day, I got all my work done no problem. when I had to sit in class and listen to the teacher drone on about crap I figured out 20 minutes ago, forget it.
and the homework always seemed like such a mountain. and to this day I can't read a text book for more than 3 minutes without either falling asleep, or looking down and realising that I was off on some tanget for the last two pages and have no idea what I had just read. (it's an interesting sensation to be reading words, and thinking about something else and not noticing.)
all I know is that my brain isn't like everyone elses, because most people don't seem to have these problems, and I really don't think it's just a matter of mental discipline.
Another Guest
28th February 2005 - 04:01 AM
QUOTE (Matt+Feb 28 2005, 03:01 AM)
I can't read a text book for more than 3 minutes without either falling asleep, or looking down and realising that I was off on some tanget for the last two pages and have no idea what I had just read. (it's an interesting sensation to be reading words, and thinking about something else and not noticing.)
all I know is that my brain isn't like everyone elses, because most people don't seem to have these problems, and I really don't think it's just a matter of mental discipline.
You're not alone. It looks like you are describing me, there.
Guest_longlivelinky
5th March 2005 - 12:16 PM
Actually ive just realised
Intelligence is what the dictionary says,
However the things everyone discuessed goes towards the way the human brain works, meaning its a form of intelligence-but youd need to make a new word for it...thats all
linky
5th March 2005 - 12:17 PM
I used to have that problem matt...but its gone now, as long as im interested in it i can do it.
lurker
5th March 2005 - 02:23 PM
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Feeling a bit inadequate are we?
Funny how the poll shows everyone to be above average/100 mark.
Online "IQ tests" tend to inflate scores to pander to the insecurities. So as to increase traffic, sell more ads, have repeat customers.
More credible "IQ tests" are ALL supervised by qualified psychometricians.
What masquarades as online "IQ tests" on some Hi-IQ societies is at best a "Power test" (definition in psychometry) and often just a quiz to guess what the test designer was thinking (and not much more). They offer little more than correlation of subjects scores with other more credible tests the subjects may have done. Eg, a subject may have done the Wecshler WAIS-III and/or SAT and also do one of these hi-iq power tests. The authors of these power tests seem to be content in offering a suite of these correlations only.
IQ. What is it really? Is it a ratio of mental age over chronological age? Is it where ones scores on the test falls with respect to the rest of the population, converted to a gaussian z-score? If so its no longer a quotient. Is it a Rasch score?
Okay, lets step back a bit.
What is Intelligence? Have we got that right yet?
Is it ability to solve difficult problems? Or lots of ordinary problems really quickly and with low error rate? So then what is a 'problem' and who decides what they are, and more importantly, which ones to include?
According to the APA 1996 Intelligence Task Force Report,
http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/apa_01.html, they havent yet agreed that intelligence is sufficiently defined for them to be able to test for it. And even those aspects which they think they have defined, they know they cannot test most of!
In physics, some quantities are much easier to measure and test (with repeatability). Unfortunately, quantities like 'intelligence' in the social sciences are much harder to test for because their definition is not settled yet.
What use does it have? Absolutely none I contend. It doesnt even give the false sense of security to those who seek it.
Better tests are those you study and prepare for. They're called subject examinations. Or aptitude tests. At least with them, there's a more direct correlation with the score you get at the end, and how much of the learning material you have retained/understood. Thereby providing relevant guidance to either a future employer, OR indication to the subject as to whether they're wasting their time, and possibly not interested.
Even for medical diagnostic purposes there are far more accurate and specific tests. Tests for memory, tests for anti-social behaviour, etc.
There will come a day, when IQ tests and IQ testing will be relegated the same undignified status as Phrenology now has.
If you have time to burn,
http://www.mental-testing.com/[/lurk]
haste
23rd March 2005 - 03:32 AM
max iq is 300, average is 80-100, all the tests everywhere are inaccurate, on one i got 197, another i got 156 (though it told me i like to play around with words and am an intense thinker, so points in thier favor there)
Matt
23rd March 2005 - 01:00 PM
lurker, while I totally agree with just about all of your points, I do find a small fault with one.
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Funny how the poll shows everyone to be above average/100 mark.
this is a forum about science and more specifically, advanced physics.
I think it's safe to say a forum like this is more likely to attract those at the higher end of the bell curve.
and anyone who is here and is not, isn't going to be honest about it.
But like you said, when a site tells you that you have an IQ of 158, and then asks for money, it's a pretty safe bet that it's not all that accurate.
amnesia
23rd March 2005 - 02:11 PM
For one, I imagine that most people that clicked on that survey either lied or don't even know their IQ. Most people have never actually been tested, and have just made up their own IQ.
Secondly, IQ is a total sham anyway. I think anybody that believes that intellegence can be measured by a simple test and then quantified into a single integer is, well, mentally deficient. To me that's about as scientific as saying "how good does this pizza taste?" and you replying with "it's quantifiable goodness is 160". It's an oversimplified analogy but you get the idea. It's absurd to think that we could quantify something as abstract as "intellegence", especially into a single integer.
Also, IQ tests themselves are completely unidirectional. They only measure a very specific type of cognitive skill. Intellegence comes in many different forms. Mozart would probably score relatively low on a standard IQ test, despite his obvious genious. Nobody would argue that Michaelangelo was a genious, but I doubt he would score very well on an IQ test either.
Oh, and for the record, A.D.D. is NOT a real disorder - unless you define it as Absense of Discipline Disorder. Mainly it is a convienent way for psychiatrists (who get kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies) to sell all sorts of new an expensive drugs - and it's an excuse for parents to not have to take the blame for bad parenting.
When a child acts up in school, it's because they are bored. It's why children act up in any situation. Boredom. When I was a kid, I got spanked for acting up - so I quickly learned not to act up. I was awefuly bored in school, but I didn't act up because my parents properly trained me not to. I didn't pay attention to things because I wasn't interested in them, not because of any mental disorder. The problem today is that good parenting has gone by the wayside. So kids get bored in school and stop paying attention to the teacher and start acting up. This is not a mental disorder, it's just a simple lack of discipline.
Aside from negligence on the parent's side I can also blame the schools for being antiquated and boring in their teaching methods. I'm in constant dismay at the fact that we have so much wonderful technology that could make learning so much fun, but schools mostly still rely on outdated books and the old fashion method of "read all this crap today and then take a test on it tomorrow to see if you memorized it".
Matt
23rd March 2005 - 03:51 PM
I respectfully disagree with you.
I don't feel that I have a lack of discipline, I was spanked by my teachers and my parents, I was punished in all sorts of interesting manners. nothing worked.
Frankly I don't see how you can claim its not a disorder without siting any data or expertise, you are welcome to your opinion, I'm sure if I did not have the problems I have I would agree with you.
However in a double blind study, if you have a kid who has problems, and the only thing different you add to the mix is a few milligrams of ritilan, or whatever the current flavor of the week is, and the child changes dramatically, and the children on the placebos don't, how can you claim that nothing is going on?
last bit, My ex girlfriends kid was on some type of ADD meds, not ritilan, but something similar, I don't recall it's name. Everytime the kid forgot to take his pill in the morning, the teacher would call and ask if he had forgotten it.
and not because he was a zombie or behaved better on the drug, but because he couldn't focus without it.
Clearly not all children on drugs are ADD. and clearly it's over perscribed, and clearly there are many bad parents out there who just don't care, and clearly there needs to be a better way to diagnose it. but just because it's over perscribed, doesn't mean that there is nothing there.
what do you do when you've tried everything and nothing works?
how many kids do you have?
haste
23rd March 2005 - 04:15 PM
i have ADD, my brain functions by working on tangents, its the only way i can visualize something, i can concentrate, but at the same time im always thinking on related paths, i have also come to realize that i think in pictures rather than through reasoning as most people do, this was initially a severe detremint in my early education, but as i learned to work with it, being able to visualize the atom, and 'see' the electrons in thier different paths, moving in waves, while atoms rotated around each other and vibrated as though on springs, is not difficult at all for me, but also while im thinking about this, im also thinking about electric charges, you know, 1/r^2 etc etc,
basically ADD is less of a handicap than a tool if you can just keep a direction to your thoughts
and as for IQ, the numbers are less important than the type of thinker it will tell you to be, online IQ tests dont give you much, but a real paper IQ test will give you a multi-page evaluation of how you figured your way through problems, and in what method you think best, thats the important piece
amnesia
23rd March 2005 - 04:57 PM
Matt,
I wasn't meaning to suggest that spanking was the answer to everything. The fact that discipline (whatever method) didn't work on you probably means that whoever was disciplining you either didn't use it effectively or wasn't using an appropriate method that you would respond to.
And no, I have no citations or evidence to say that it is not a real disorder -- I think anybody would have a hard time finding that because people (especially doctors and pharmaceutical companies) WANT it to be a real disorder. So you will find all sorts of weak experiments that point to A.D.D. as a real disorder, but not very much towards disproving it. It is entirely my opinion that is it not a real disorder, and I have no facts to base it on other than my own experiences. I was diagnosed with the same thing and put on various drugs, which affected me in various ways but not with the results I wanted. It was only through my own self-awareness that I discovered my problem was not a chemical imbalance or a made-up disorder like doctors suggested, rather it was just a lack of mental discipline.
Everybody has trouble concentrating sometimes, especially on activites that we don't feel are important or activities that others are forcing us to do. I have to do stuff all day that I don't want to do (my job), I can waste time and fart around, or I can buckle down and get it done. It's just a matter of having the discipline to do the latter. It's just self-efficacy.
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However in a double blind study, if you have a kid who has problems, and the only thing different you add to the mix is a few milligrams of ritilan, or whatever the current flavor of the week is, and the child changes dramatically, and the children on the placebos don't, how can you claim that nothing is going on?
Ok so you've just shown that psycho-active drugs effect the brain... that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, since that is what they are supposed to do! I could go smoke a bunch of pot and it would effect my brain too....
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Ok so you've just shown that psycho-active drugs effect the brain... that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, since that is what they are supposed to do! I could go smoke a bunch of pot and it would effect my brain too....
what do you do when you've tried everything and nothing works?
two words: Jerry Springer
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how many kids do you have?
haha, I knew you'd ask me that. I have no children, but I was one once! Some people say I still am.
Another Guest
24th March 2005 - 09:43 AM
Saying that ADD is not a real disorder is a slap in the face of all that suffer from it. You might as well claim that autism is not real, that spanking will cure the dyslexic, and grounding will cure Alzheimer's.
You are not only being foolish, but also cruel.
The fact that not every diagnosis of ADD is correct does not mean that every diagnosis of ADD is incorrect. That is a non sequitur (Latin for it does not follow). Your logic is flawed.
haste
24th March 2005 - 12:30 PM
how can ADD be a disorder, our brains function diferent, just because i dont think the same as you doesnt make me inferior
while advances in science have put thousands of drugs on our shelves, psyciatrists(i never can spell big words) wave assements over our heads and have power over our lives, i dont trust these assements one bit
Matt
24th March 2005 - 01:52 PM
QUOTE
Everybody has trouble concentrating sometimes, especially on activites that we don't feel are important or activities that others are forcing us to do. I have to do stuff all day that I don't want to do (my job), I can waste time and fart around, or I can buckle down and get it done. It's just a matter of having the discipline to do the latter. It's just self-efficacy.
I have trouble concentrating all the time, even on activities that I feel are important and fun. I stop reading a book I am engrossed in mid sentence because I suddenly feel the need to do something else. I'm a programmer, I can be in the middle of a project and fully in the zone and suddenly feel an overwhelming need to check a few websites.
this stuff happens all the time, I won't even begin to tell you what a struggle it is for me to hold onto a coherent thought for any length of time. let alone 2 or 3.
but I guess I'm just lazy huh?
so lets see, I can't concentrate, I take some psychoactive drug (a stimulant actually) and suddenly I can.... and this proves that I have no disorder?
I think the fact that it didn't work for you proves that you were not ADD. the same way as I think the fact that it does work for some proves that they are.
your logic is like saying people don't have allergies because you don't sneeze when your around a cat. and there's a difference between saying "I don't think ADD is a real disorder" and saying "Oh, and for the record, A.D.D. is NOT a real disorder"
For the record it's clear that you have no credentials from which to speak from and are frankly talking out of your rear end. In this particular case I'm going to trust the findings of the American Medical Association and the National Institute of Mental Health over your uneducated opinion.
WaterBreath
24th March 2005 - 03:04 PM
QUOTE
Everybody has trouble concentrating sometimes, especially on activites that we don't feel are important or activities that others are forcing us to do. I have to do stuff all day that I don't want to do (my job), I can waste time and fart around, or I can buckle down and get it done. It's just a matter of having the discipline to do the latter. It's just self-efficacy.
I'm going to have to go with Matt on this one as well. His experiences sound very similar to mine. I know I'm younger than him, so ADD might have been known when I was in school, but I didn't hear about it till I was in high school. Likely my parents wouldn't have been able to afford to take me to a doctor to figure out what was going on.
Fortunately I still managed good grades, because my parents were very strict about my homework practices when I was young. Had to be finished first thing after school, before I did anything else. Which, also fortunately, led my teachers to say that I didn't pay attention in class because I was bored because I was "bright", rather than just lazy and undisciplined.
At any rate, I have always had problems with concentration as well. And, like Matt, it doesn't matter whether what I enjoy what I'm doing, I'll get sidetracked. I've always loved reading. But I can't count the number of times I was reading a really interesting science book, or even a fiction book I really enjoyed, and all of a sudden I realized that for the past 3 pages, I hadn't actually been reading. Rather I was just following the words with my eyes and thinking about completely different things.
I have the same problems at work meetings now as I had in school. I need to have one of two things in order to properly absorb what's going on: Either it has to be written down, so I can go back and re-read parts where my mind wandered, or I have to be actively participating in some sort of discussion.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion. But I think there's an inherent difference in the way your mind works. No matter how much I want to stay on task and finish what I'm doing, I can't stop the sidetracks from happening. It's not an active choice. I do not hesitate to make the active choice to get back on task once I've noticed I'm off. But that's just it. I get off track without even
noticing. It just happens, without a choice involved. I've personally found it well near impossible to altogether prevent the mental sidetracks from happening at all.
No matter what, my mind will fling itself off on tangents. Especially when I'm discussing or learning something that really interests me. It constantly spins off thinking about the consequences of some interesting fact, or the possibilities that a combination of points can lead to. I do have a little control over it. I can get a lot of work done because I can usually redirect myself after a short burst of distraction. But it'll only be a short time before my mind goes flying off again. It's a constant effort to redirect short tangents back on track. Which means that, as I am also a programmer and hence my work involves a lot of thought, a long day of such mental effort actually physically exhausts me.
*Sigh* This is also why my posts tend to be long, disjointed, and sometimes repeat themselves.
Matt
24th March 2005 - 04:26 PM
as I was reading this post, the song Angie was playing over and over in my mind, toward the end, I stopped reading and started wondering if you also constantly have some song going over in your head, though my eyes continued to follow the thread, I had to go back and read the last two paragraphs 2 times, and I still don't think I got them. while doing that the song got louder and louder and while looking at the words, all I comprehended was the lyrics I was hearing.
though meetings are the same for me. I can be looking right at someone and not hear anythign they said. which is why I sit politely and listen to people, and then ask them to email me what they just said, or I'll have a side one on one meeting where I get all the details I need.
I didn't hear about ADD until a few years after I dropped out of college. I found a book called "you mean I'm not stupid Lazy or Crazy?" the first two chapters of it are pretty good.
But it's been my experience that not everyone has these problems. And considering I have above average will power, I refuse to beleive that it's just a lack of discipline.
WaterBreath
24th March 2005 - 05:17 PM
Matt,
Firstly, I'm not sure if it was clear, but the "you" later in my last post was actually referring to the poster "amnesia". See what I mean about disjointed?
Anyway, I don't constantly have some song in my head. But it does happen fairly often. Sometimes it is very distracting, but sometimes it actually seems to allow me to focus better. Like maybe it is occupying the part of my mind that normally would cause me to get sidetracked.
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I can be looking right at someone and not hear anythign they said. which is why I sit politely and listen to people, and then ask them to email me what they just said, or I'll have a side one on one meeting where I get all the details I need.
I feel your pain, man. This is exactly how it is for me.

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I feel your pain, man. This is exactly how it is for me.

But it's been my experience that not everyone has these problems. And considering I have above average will power, I refuse to beleive that it's just a lack of discipline.
Same for me. My will power is one of the things that helped my get through college. I pick things up very easily, but not quickly... If that makes any sense. I may only need to read something once to get it and remember it, but I'm a very slow reader because I get distracted so easily. This meant that I had to give up recreational reading, and video games, and my own side programming projects, and going out on school nights, all in order to have the time I needed to get through my schoolwork. It took a lot of will power to give those up.
But it also helped to get together with my very dedicated and focused friends to do homework. Even if we didn't have the same classes, they served as a reminder of the task at hand that made it a little easier to get back on track. But even so, if we were in a public place, I'd end up wasting time people-watching, or listening to other people's conversations rather than comprehending what I was reading. Not because it was interesting. Just because it was there and available for my mind to hop over to.
Without my will power, and my focused friends, I wouldn't have made it through.
MattWeston
24th March 2005 - 07:30 PM
Matt, WaterBreath, I agree with you, though from the opposite side. I have an ADD kid I work with every week, and without medication he can't focus on anything.
In contrast I can
only focus on one thing at a time. (However, that does not mean I am not easily distracted off a subject to a more interesting one.) With a single strong focus I do one thing at a time, but do it very good. (This is why post are usually short and straight to a point.) Unfortunately my will power is not as strong as yours, and I barely managed to get through school.
I have a hard time relating to this ADD kid, but patience and discipline (not punishment) on my part, and some medication on his part make things work fairly well.
As far as IQ, I don't really care to know where I stand. It would only make me feel depressed or arrogant- things I really don't need.
WaterBreath
24th March 2005 - 08:19 PM
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As far as IQ, I don't really care to know where I stand. It would only make me feel depressed or arrogant- things I really don't need.
Same here.
I took one of those cheap online tests once, not so much for the actual score, but to see what "type" of intelligence I supposedly had. I thought that was more useful and interesting, and easier to determine. The result they gave me made sense.
Unfortunately, when I took a similar test at a different place, it gave me different results for both numeric score and "type" of intelligence. And that result made pretty good sense too. So I'm still not sure of a numerical score or what type of intelligence I have. But I guess I don't care. What I have is enough to get me through life. And if my experiences working in retail are any indication, it seems to be more than the average American. So I'm okay with the relative uncertainty.
Of course, if you are either arrogant or sadistic, you can try and take the
Mensa Workout Test and then brag about your result here. It has a fair variation of math, verbal, and spatial questions. And as a bonus, they let you know what your chances are of getting into their arrogant little elitist society.
Matt
25th March 2005 - 12:39 AM
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Your score was 25 out of 30. That is an excellent score, you would have a very strong chance of passing the Mensa test and joining Mensa.
I'll let you all decide if I am arrogent or sadistic.
Vas Niltere
1st April 2005 - 10:27 PM
there is no one I.Q. test that can measure everyone's actual intelegence quotient, simply because the number of questions that would be needed is far more than are on the tests. and because they have to cover manny diffrent areas, more than just math, which i have seen most are heavely math based.. i cant remember, i just said. 100 to 116. *shrug* i dont really know what mine was. could be 128? i think i got that on one of the average iQtests? who knows.
BlakHoleXplosion
1st April 2005 - 10:57 PM
When I was six a psycologist administered an I.Q. test and said I had an I.Q. of 185. I haven't taken an official test since then though, so I'm not sure if it's accurate. If it has changed, it's probably gone down.
Matt
2nd April 2005 - 12:06 AM
so when you were 6, you had the intelligence of an 11 year old.
BlakHoleXplosion
2nd April 2005 - 12:10 AM
Does that make me special or at least validate my existence?
Matt
2nd April 2005 - 12:41 AM
it depends, do you still have the intelligence of an 11 year old?
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