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We think about many things which we have seen and can bring them into our thoughts. I want to know when scientist think of any thing which he has never seen or thought of but sometime he get it just out of nowhere and he develop the theory and at last answer.

What we call to this phonomenon. Is it revelation if it is then there has to be source to this storage.

any one can explain what he or she thinks about this thread.

And what should be the speed of thought is it faster than speed of light.


See you.
DB

I beleive new IDEAS are just formed by alot of information you've previously learnt.... like what you see around you, and when you move you're hand or hit somthing, you observe its reation, like when you hit yourselfe, it hurts, you learn from that and expand... We learnt all this, we learnt alot, so we goto school to get everyone up to date, so then we can use all this to formulate new ideas...

its like having a bunch of diffrent lego's and putting them in an unlimited combination to come up with somthing new, but i beleive you must have knowledge of somthing to beable to create somthing new.... so if a baby was born blind and def, and couldent feel, well... it probably wouldent beable to think and create new ideas without information to build upon.

Far as thought going the speed of light or faster, hehe... not really.... i think its quite slower... theres conductive fluid in our heads to help fire info via the Synaps to other neurons.... a single computer today, like even a old Pentium 100mhz, is probably faster than a single neuron in our brain, but there's billions of neurons and they're all working at the same time in parallel, wich makes it very "FAST" and efficient.... imagine how much you could multi-task in windows XP if you had a billion 100mhz cpu's sharing each work load... it would probably just as fast or faster than the fastest PC today....

The.Cheat
The most interesting part of thought, were do new never thought of ideas come from. I have something that might resemble an answer... here goes.

We've all heard of the seriously smart mathematicians... the guys who can stare at a bank of seemingly random numbers, then spit back the formula that generated all of them. Subconsiously their mind figures out what's going on, and spits back the answer.

So if we as a species can do this with something as simple (and complicated) as mathematics, why couldn't we do the same thing with other patterns? After all dealings with people for instance are just a series of predictable patterns. I would imagine that someone who is educated in their field can percieve patterns on an unconsious level, until suddenly... eurieka! An idea is born. :-)
Cuder
I am going to agree with the previous post in saying the brain's main function is pattern recognition. If you do a series of experiments, and look at the results, more often than not a pattern will emerge (assuming the experiments were designed well). This, I think is the main source of new ideas: recognizing a pattern of consequences.

As far as thought being faster than light, I would have to give a resounding NO. Unless you consider conscienceness an un-explanable phenomenon.

To me, it is a series of electrical and chemical impulses in a vast network of cells that have evolved to facilitate a strengthening of certain pathways by repetition. In my view, there are two very distinct methods for the signals to travel, one being relatively fast (electrical), and one relatively slow (diffusion based chemical). The distance is so small between neurons that the chemical signal happens extremely fast, but is still based on diffusion, a relatively slow process.
Draugluin
QUOTE (The.Cheat+Jul 27 2005, 09:51 AM)
We've all heard of the seriously smart mathematicians... the guys who can stare at a bank of seemingly random numbers, then spit back the formula that generated all of them. Subconsiously their mind figures out what's going on, and spits back the answer.

Subconsciously? I always thought the only way to do those kind of stuff was to consciously pull out random fomulae out of your *** and try them all, see if they fit.
TRoc
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The interesting part is: when these "charges" are moving in the magnetic field.

We all know what happens next.

A hertz is generated, which does propogate at ©.

This sets the stage for "mirror neurons" to be fired in another person in proximity.

(C + neural speed) = (instantaneous speed - C)



T.Roc







Burnt toast
QUOTE (Cuder+Jul 27 2005, 02:14 PM)
In my view, there are two very distinct methods for the signals to travel, one being relatively fast (electrical), and one relatively slow (diffusion based chemical). The distance is so small between neurons that the chemical signal happens extremely fast, but is still based on diffusion, a relatively slow process.

As a matter of fact, the electrical-based mode of signal transduction is based on sodium influx and potassium efflux across a nerve cell's membrane and flow of ions within the cell (all based on difusion). The mechanisms are simple really once you've got the "rules of the game" in your head, but they're a bit complicated to explain without diagrams. I urge you to google "cellular physiology action potential" or "membrane potential", if you want to find more about it. Nevertheless, this process definately happens at subluminal speeds, which Einstein would be glad to know.

Now thinking is basically the integration of the external stimuli (in this case, the sight of the problem at hand) and past experiences (including how to read the problem, what are the rules, analogous problems in the past, etc.). Bringing the right combination of past experiences to light at one time is basically the source of "revelation" I guess.

Oh and by the way, pattern recognition seems to be a higher order function. These functions usually occur at integration sites that are present in the cerebral cortex, which is a relatively small section of the brain. Most of the brain is involved in "simple" housekeeping functions, such as reflexes, maintaining hormone levels, etc.

Burnt Toast
manifespo
"To me, it is a series of electrical and chemical impulses in a vast network of cells that have evolved to facilitate a strengthening of certain pathways by repetition. In my view, there are two very distinct methods for the signals to travel, one being relatively fast (electrical), and one relatively slow (diffusion based chemical). The distance is so small between neurons that the chemical signal happens extremely fast, but is still based on diffusion, a relatively slow process."

Well Said. I would add that the chemical signals are also electrical (obviously).
The Electrical seems to be the medium for quick reactions, logic, data-collection
Also, the chemicals seem to be the real meaty, sensory, modulatory, memory medium

It is fun for shits to arbitrarily divide the brain into elec and chem, but in reality the brain is electrochemically united in a mass of meat with minicurrents flowing through it.

From Wikipedia
Thus, the process of saltatory conduction is essentially one of the action potential "jumping" from node to node, being regenerated anew at each node. The advantage is that it maximizes the speed of conduction for a given axon diameter. This has undoubtedly played an important role in the evolution of larger and more complex organisms. The conduction velocity of the largest human myelinated axons significantly exceeds that of squid giant axon (~120 m/s vs. ~25 m/s)
__insomnia
I would read David Bohm's Thought As A System
fivedoughnut
Speed.......around 0.6 milliseconds/average human mind.
Burnt toast
QUOTE (fivedoughnut+Dec 1 2005, 11:24 PM)
Speed.......around 0.6 milliseconds/average human mind.

Uhh.... how does do the units "milliseconds/average human mind" equate to distance per time?
fivedoughnut
QUOTE (Burnt toast+Dec 4 2005, 09:04 AM)
QUOTE (fivedoughnut+Dec 1 2005, 11:24 PM)
Speed.......around 0.6 milliseconds/average human mind.

Uhh.... how does do the units "milliseconds/average human mind" equate to distance per time?

Easy...the distance is variable and involves the resultant "length" of all neurally active "circuits" present in a particular "thought"
Ash
QUOTE (fivedoughnut+Dec 1 2005, 11:24 PM)
Speed.......around 0.6 milliseconds/average human mind.

Speed should be distance/time as Burnt toast pointed out, not time / human mind (which really should've been better explained to begin with)

That said, where did this number come from? Back up your statements!
wallace f
the average thought travels at the speed of 24,ooo,ooo,ooo miles per second. Now
thoght is an actual unseen reality triggered by electrical impluses in the brain that has the
ability to be materialized in physical evidence. the above figure given for thought
travel is the slowest speed of thought, there are some people above average and
think much quicker. the only way to detect the speed of thought is with the mind
because only the mind can detect mind and its projection of thoughts through the atmosphere. there is not a instrument in existence that can calculate how fast a
thought travels per second. the fully developed mind of the human has the ability
to transcend the pyhysical body and escape time. the point we should all be looking
for is what is the actual origin of thought, if thought produces everything we see in
our three dimensional world in terms of physical objects, where did the first thought come from if no one was physically in existence with a body and brain to
project a thought.
Ash
QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 16 2005, 05:50 PM)
the average thought travels at the speed of 24,ooo,ooo,ooo miles per second.


Proof?

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... if thought produces everything we see in
our three dimensional world ...


Problem Solved: It doesn't.
wallace f
to ash, can you name me one thing that exist on this planet earth that did not come
from the mind first ? everything that you see on this planet has its root in the mind
of a human being first and then the person worked a plan to bring what was in his
or her mind into a physical reality that now we all can see. EX. music, fashion,buildings,religion,paintings,cars, homes,sex, and last people and even the
construction of this very planet came from the mind of a master thinker. the may be hard for you to understand because maybe your mind and your power of thought is not strong enough to tap into a higher realm of conscience reality. far
as how fast thought travels i will let you measure it for yourself and tell me smarty.
HINT one scientist stated that E=MC2 the constant i said to be light, and that this
light traveling through darkness converts energy into matter and matter into energy. well what proceeded light in the darkness of space and time, and what produces light, thought if understood shapes matter and i have one example emotions such as heartbreaks, anger, hatred, happiness, love.
wallace f
EXCUSE ME ALBERT E. SAID THE CONSTANT WAS LIGHT.
Burnt toast
QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
to ash, can you name me one thing that exist on this planet earth that did not come
from the mind first ?

I'd say the earth itself didn't come into being because of the human mind. Cause and effect, m'lad. The earth had to exist before the human mind for the human mind to have evolved. Clear and simple.

QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
everything that you see on this planet has its root in the mind
of a human being first and then the person worked a plan to bring what was in his
or her mind into a physical reality that now we all can see. EX. music, fashion,buildings,religion,paintings,cars, homes,sex, and last people and even the
construction of this very planet came from the mind of a master thinker.

Or the construction of the planet could have been due to the congregation of materials from the accretion disc surrounding the sun. There really is no need to invoke a higher being.


QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
the may be hard for you to understand because maybe your mind and your power of thought is not strong enough to tap into a higher realm of conscience reality.

Yeah, Ash. Stop not being in touch with "conscience [sic] reality". You're so delusional. Not like wallace f over here who beleives in an invisible, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being who we can't detect with any scientific means whatsoever and who makes things appear with its mind...


QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
far as how fast thought travels i will let you measure it for yourself and tell me smarty.

QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 16 2005, 05:50 PM)
the average thought travels at the speed of 24,ooo,ooo,ooo miles per second.

Now the figure you gave is equal to 3.85*10e13 m/s. This is about 100 000 times the speed of light. So what you said was complete and utter bullshit.

This site provides the fastest neuron speed as 100m/s.
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The fastest neurons are those that are in pathways in which speed is essential such as certain reflex pathways. These neuron can transmit impulses up to 100 meters per second

The rate of neuron conduction in the brain, especially in the higher regions of the brain is actually much slower because the neurons there are unmylenated and much thinner than those associated with reflexes in the muscle.

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The fastest neurons are those that are in pathways in which speed is essential such as certain reflex pathways. These neuron can transmit impulses up to 100 meters per second

The rate of neuron conduction in the brain, especially in the higher regions of the brain is actually much slower because the neurons there are unmylenated and much thinner than those associated with reflexes in the muscle.

HINT one scientist stated that E=MC2 the constant i said to be light, and that this
light traveling through darkness converts energy into matter and matter into energy.

The constant of cc is simply a mathematical vestige and nothing more. No real meaning can come from the fact. It doesn't mean that light converts energy into matter or vice versa. What you just said is bordering on mysticism and numerology.

QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:34 PM)
EXCUSE ME ALBERT E. SAID THE CONSTANT WAS LIGHT.

And everyone knows who derived it. Not all of us are idiots.

QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
well what proceeded light in the darkness of space and time, and what produces light, thought if understood shapes matter and i have one example emotions such as heartbreaks, anger, hatred,  happiness, love.

So what you're saying is that no emotion exists when the light goes out?

In short, you're wrong.


Burnt Toast
Ash
QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
to ash, can you name me one thing that exist on this planet earth that did not come from the mind first ?

From my point of view? Everything that existed before humans did. Somethings that came after humans did too. (So in case you were wondering, the anwer is Yes)

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everything that you see on this planet has its root in the mind
of a human being first and then the person worked a plan to bring what was in his
or her mind into a physical reality that now we all can see. EX. music, fashion,buildings,religion,paintings,cars, homes,sex, and last people and even the
construction of this very planet came from the mind of a master thinker

Master thinker? Ok. I'm not going to tell you that such a thing doesn't exist. I'm not going to tell you that i think you sound like a crackhead. I will tell you that that is NOT SCIENCE!
It's no more a science than Intelligent Design (well, actually, i suppose it IS intelligent design), astrology, water divining or...uhh.. fingerpainting. Otherwise, where is the proof? Any repeatable experiments? Any predictions you can make about this?
(Sorry, that's not really fair. I like fingerpainting)

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everything that you see on this planet has its root in the mind
of a human being first and then the person worked a plan to bring what was in his
or her mind into a physical reality that now we all can see. EX. music, fashion,buildings,religion,paintings,cars, homes,sex, and last people and even the
construction of this very planet came from the mind of a master thinker

Master thinker? Ok. I'm not going to tell you that such a thing doesn't exist. I'm not going to tell you that i think you sound like a crackhead. I will tell you that that is NOT SCIENCE!
It's no more a science than Intelligent Design (well, actually, i suppose it IS intelligent design), astrology, water divining or...uhh.. fingerpainting. Otherwise, where is the proof? Any repeatable experiments? Any predictions you can make about this?
(Sorry, that's not really fair. I like fingerpainting)

the may be hard for you to understand because maybe your mind and your power of thought is not strong enough to tap into a higher realm of conscience reality.

*scratches head*

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far as how fast thought travels i will let you measure it for yourself and tell me smarty.

Not my area. I wouldn't even have a clue as to how to try to do that. There are many people or places that i trust to be able to answer that question for me. However, YOU have put forward a number, YOU have to back it up. That is how science works. Feel free to start throwing in random (and blatantly unrealistic) numbers. But i'm going to start posting my pancake recipe. At least mine means something.

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far as how fast thought travels i will let you measure it for yourself and tell me smarty.

Not my area. I wouldn't even have a clue as to how to try to do that. There are many people or places that i trust to be able to answer that question for me. However, YOU have put forward a number, YOU have to back it up. That is how science works. Feel free to start throwing in random (and blatantly unrealistic) numbers. But i'm going to start posting my pancake recipe. At least mine means something.

HINT one scientist stated that E=MC2 the constant i said to be light, and that this
light traveling through darkness converts energy into matter and matter into energy. well what proceeded light in the darkness of space and time, and what produces light, thought if understood shapes matter and i have one example emotions such as heartbreaks, anger, hatred, happiness, love.


Um.. what? E=MC^2 isn't some kind of mantra. Typing that won't automatically make your next sentence true. It's an equation (it's not even the whole equation). It might be a cool equation as these things go, but it's got nothing to do with what came afterwards. Apart from that, you can believe whatever the hell you like, but in the future i don't think i want my science sitting at the same table as your craziness.
Guest
well know one still has told me what proceeded light in the darkness of our universe, because the bottom line is that darkness produced the light but there is
a force operating in the darkness that graudually pushes objects up into our view.
the light was dematerialized in the darkness then brought out.i understand the universal law of cause and effect, what im saying is if the effect is real such as things
we see and feel that means the cause is even more real an thats the unseen reality
that i speak of . light is limited but thought is infinite and can travel beyond the diameter of light, although thoughts can contain light in two senses of the word. our
physical sun light ends at a certain point, we can not see with our physical eye beyond the sunlight of our universe, but the darkness i speak about is at the walls of the universe where the diameter of light is not present, but there in that darkness theres the ability to produce life and that force can be controlled by someone who mind is fully developed, just as natural forces of nature can be controlled, because the natural urges of the human can be controlled and that which exists outward exists inward. who was the fist man and where did he come from and how was he created? also whats the origin of water? now if you tell me man came from some lower form of sea life or from monkeys that would be bullshit
i deal with logic and mathematics. science to but science is a degree lower than mathematics because in science its alot of guessing and and approximates and not
always right and exact, meaning what happened one time is not sure to happen another time.
Guest_wallace f
the posting before this one is wallace f
Guest_wallace f
to ash its not true that the earth formed before the first man, i figured you would
say that thats why i asked you when was the first man was created and what was the
origin of water because where ever water is life is also there, where there is no water ther is no life. the human body is made up of the same material of the earth.
the point is the same way babies are in the womb of darkness in their mothers forming such could be said about the first man, also could be said about the earth.
but someone had to pull the matter that was present in the darkness together and
form it into a solid land mass this did not all just happen by chance, but by unique
design of a master thinker take it or leave it. if what you are saying is true then
the actual earth itself can think and it created us and have more power and intellegence than us, maybe we should ask the earth and other things that came before us these questions that we have been contending on. if you think my explanation of man being created in the darkness of the womb of the universe is
madness just think about a sperm fertilizing an egg and that process as well as the concept of twins both identical and fraternal. this will take you back to thought
and its power to shape matter, even the sperm has an intellegence working in itself
that guides it right to the egg and light is also present there in the head of that sperm moving in it. thought is not dependent on the eyes to see or ears to here
nor muscles for locomotion it has a life of its own independent of matter. for example you can be sleeping at night and not here anything around you in your room but have a dream or vision and remember everything that was said to you
by another person in that dream and what you said to them even what they looked
like, the whole time you are a sleep but its thoughts and the power of the mind that is creating this, but what if you are able to do this on an extreme consciencelevel.
Ash
QUOTE (Guest_wallace f+Dec 20 2005, 05:09 PM)
if what you are saying is true then
the actual earth itself can think and it created us and have more power and intellegence than us, maybe we should ask the earth and other things that came before us these questions that we have been contending on.

That's not what i was saying at all. Mind you i'm not beyond believing that the earth has more intelligence than some people.

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to ash its not true that the earth formed before the first man

No? Ok. prove it. You're in the science forum. Back up your answers.

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to ash its not true that the earth formed before the first man

No? Ok. prove it. You're in the science forum. Back up your answers.

i figured you would say that thats why i asked you when was the first man was created

I don't remember being asked that, but anyway - I cannot answer that question as i think it contains a false assumption, that is the creation aspect.

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and what was the origin of water because where ever water is life is also there, where there is no water ther is no life.

*tears hair out* Bad logic alert!
While it's certainly true (as far as humans are concerned at least) that to live we need water, (so let's say life -> water, if there is life there is water) there is no need for life to exist for water to exist. So life -> water, but water !-> life (sorry everyone, i can't think of a better way to express that right now)

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and what was the origin of water because where ever water is life is also there, where there is no water ther is no life.

*tears hair out* Bad logic alert!
While it's certainly true (as far as humans are concerned at least) that to live we need water, (so let's say life -> water, if there is life there is water) there is no need for life to exist for water to exist. So life -> water, but water !-> life (sorry everyone, i can't think of a better way to express that right now)

if you think my explanation of man being created in the darkness of the womb of the universe is
madness just  think about a sperm fertilizing an egg and that process as well as the concept of twins both identical and fraternal. this will take you back to thought
and its power to shape matter, even the sperm has an intellegence working in itself


I thought about a sperm fertilizing an egg. I thought about the process of conception and the idea of twins. It made me hungry. I might make myself a cheese sandwich. But i still think your explanation is crazy.

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who was the fist man and where did he come from and how was he created? also whats the origin of water? now if you tell me man came from some lower form of sea life or from monkeys that would be bullshit
i deal with logic and mathematics. science to but science is a degree lower than mathematics because in science its alot of guessing and and approximates and not
always right and exact, meaning what happened one time is not sure to happen another time.

I think we have different definitions of logic.
Maths sure is sexy, yes.
If what happened one time in a scientific experiment differs from what happened the next time, then you try and figure out why that is. If need be, you abandon that hypothesis and try something else. I'm not saying science is always right, but science as a process is great. Every time you go through you weed out some of the bullshit and hopefully get closer to a good explanation of how things work. If not, you start again. What you are doing is not science. That may be fine with you. But why are you here then?

Now, if you'll excuse me, i'm going to get myself a cheese sandwich and discuss science with my fellow unenlightened colleagues.
Drude
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EXCUSE ME ALBERT E. SAID THE CONSTANT WAS LIGHT


HE surely did not. He said no object can go faster than light. Maxwell, and Hertz were the people who first proved that the fasting moving entity is electromagnetic radiation and they postulated that nothing goes faster than that.
AlternatePhysicist
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the average thought travels at the speed of 24,ooo,ooo,ooo miles per second. Now
thoght is an actual unseen reality triggered by electrical impluses in the brain that has the
ability to be materialized in physical evidence. the above figure given for thought
travel is the slowest speed of thought, there are some people above average and
think much quicker. the only way to detect the speed of thought is with the mind
because only the mind can detect mind and its projection of thoughts through the atmosphere. there is not a instrument in existence that can calculate how fast a
thought travels per second. the fully developed mind of the human has the ability
to transcend the pyhysical body and escape time. the point we should all be looking
for is what is the actual origin of thought, if thought produces everything we see in
our three dimensional world in terms of physical objects, where did the first thought come from if no one was physically in existence with a body and brain to
project a thought.

That seems like you have spent a bit of time researching the scientific side of Psionics. the whole idea that the world is only in our consciensness and that we can leave the world by becoming unconsous and creating things in our imagination.

Other than that nothing really to contribute to finding the answer here but i kindof think its an amazing concept. Right now we are doing something we have mastered in order to figure out how to do it... sort of removes the idea that we know how to think in my mind...
Guest
QUOTE (wallace f+Dec 16 2005, 05:50 PM)
if thought produces everything we see in
our three dimensional world

Is thia some existentialism?
BurcakT
[/QUOTESo if we as a species can do this with something as simple (and complicated) as mathematics, why couldn't we do the same thing with other patterns? After all dealings with people for instance are just a series of predictable patterns. I would imagine that someone who is educated in their field can percieve patterns on an unconsious level, until suddenly... eurieka! An idea is born. :-) ]

I think that type of foundations come out with the "sensitivity of the scientist to the solution of the problem"

there is nothing coming out suddenly.
howtothinklikegod
Yah! Prove your claim!!!

Prove it!!!!!
Good Elf
Hi All,

I think the ability of Bats to navigate with such speed agility and accuracy is beyond what physics would normally believe. I saw a Discovery program which said that bats routinely navigate through a grid of very fine wires at speed in the dark using echolocation.
Bat sonar more accurate than thought – by three times 1998
This is very old information and there is more to the story below. The bats brain is processing a vast amount of data yet the ability of a bats brain is limited "technically" to about 400 computations per second being a biological system. The fine wires dimensions and maths theory indicate the need for a "superior" processing ability. This suggests that bats brains are able to cut through the Gordian Knot of information congestion and do upwards of 3 Million operations per second by some process yet unknown. I assume they can "walk and chew gum at the same time" as well. I have included this article as something related for you all to think about...
Talk Show - Laura Lee on Bats
QUOTE (Conversation For Exploration: Laura Lee+)

Bat Sonar And Anti-Submarine Warfare

Dolphins do it. Big brown bats do it. And sometime soon, the Office of Naval Research hopes its researchers will be able to do it too. Echolocation, that is, and turning the processing of such signals into a system that will enable us to mimic a flying bat’s ability to detect and classify a flying beetle in three dimensions at thirty feet.

ONR’s Bio-Sonar program supports the bat research of Brown University neuroscientist, Jim Simmons. Bats use sonar to find food and avoid obstacles much the way our military sonar systems would like to find and detect submarines and mines. “Bats make sounds, listen to echoes, and then see objects,” notes Simmons. “We want to know what the neurons in the bat's auditory system are doing to process the echoes that allows their brains to ‘see’ an image. We now know that bats have a method of doing synthetic aperture sonar while flying that not only determines the distance and direction of all the objects in a scene, but also reconstructs one specific object’s shape. What’s really incredible is that they can do both simultaneously.”

In Simmons' experiments, the bats are trained to differentiate sounds with the time separation of those sounds shortened to test the bats' response.

“The bats humor us,” says Simmons. “They get mealworms if they behave.”

A major goal of ONR’s bio-sonar research program is to duplicate the ability to differentiate between two echoes that arrive at almost the same time. Today’s electronic sonar processing can differentiate between echoes about 12 millionths of a second apart. Bats have it down to 2 to 3 millionths of a second. Being able to separate such sounds means that bats can tell the difference between objects and shapes that are separated by only about the width of a human hair.

“ONR would like to get naval sonars, both in listening and in processing the return information, a bit more, well, bat-like,” notes ONR’s Harold Hawkins.

Source: Office Of Naval Research ( http://www.onr.navy.mil)

This is fascinating stuff and it has great philosophical implications for puny organic systems such as ourselves if only we could use these processes to enhance our cognitive skills. It would be worth more than a "couple of mealworms" to us if we could. biggrin.gif

Cheers
guessed
The 'speed' of thought is instantanious, therefore infinite, just like its true origin.

Your 'dreams' connect you to all the other possibilities in the Infinite.
With your 'science', you are about to 'prove' it to yourselves.

Your infinite aspect is REAL.
You have already given it many names.

Soon, you will see that your mind is not a 'toy'.
When you see this, you will force yourselves to 'grow up'.

Your 'theories' have no meaning.
Your 'theories' are merely vague attempts to connect to reality.

Reality will connect to you, when you let it.

Go to sleep now, and when you awake you will remember your connection.

You have spoken to yourselves.
Robohogg
Wow !! Interesting. I think I see what "guest_wallace f" is trying to say, it's just, he/she talks in circles, so that by the time you've finished reading the post..you're not sure which particular part is the point. It's not impossible for this all to be a creation of a mind, whether it's mine, yours, the collective unconscious, God, Buddha, Explorer-Builder K'gonzaghee from Palain IV, The Machine, etc. However, unfortunately, I have to agree with the "scientific" point of view in that if it's "your" theory, YOU have to prove it. problem I struggle with is that how can you use the tools that reality has given you, to evaluate the reality that has given them to you. Almost akin to using things you find in your dreams to find out if you're dreaming, nothing in your dream has the power to go "outside" the dream and dissect/examine it to a more accurate frame of reference. How can you prove that God exists ?? How can you prove that he does not ? If He/She /It IS an omnipotent being, then anything you do, or attempt to do has already been forseen, or is instantaneously forseen by relevant deity when neccessary, and depending upon the deity's motives, any move of yours can be be circumvented, or forestalled, hindered or diverted. So..good luck trying to outhink God.
However (apologies for the long post) I do believe that everyone has their own set of beliefs, and if you feel you need to prove them, go right ahead. I believe that there is more to life than what we can see/taste/touch etc. More to life than we can identify with our reason. I can't prove it, but I will attempt to. And if I fail, well, will you be bothered ?? For you have your own beliefs. And that is how it should be. Well, unless you believe it is ok to go out and murder, rape, kill, defile, etc..Because I think it is WRONG to harm others, and you can view that as morally wrong, or just wrong because it's not a productive way for a society reliant on co-operation for survival. The End.
Knot of this world
QUOTE (Robohogg+Mar 15 2006, 01:15 PM)
It's not impossible for this all to be a creation of a mind...

How about if we are just evolved aspects of One Universal Mind, trying to understand itself? That would unify just about everything, wouldn't it?

S.
Matador
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Mekigal
ordering sets does. .
anyway that was interesting . If you think of the origin of a thought as a starting place and the conclusion or destination being your mind right now for it to be accurate seems to me you have to add all the time it took to get to your brain independent of how long it took to transverse your gray matter .
So to you it transverses the universe of time it self but really it just transverses the distance of your brain + the time others prepared the package for delivery , which could be millions or even billions of years of different entities on down through the ages refining and deleting bits and pieces of the information .
I still call it stacking.
It don't seem like stacking to the individual because of the hoarding instinct . You have the sensation that the thoughts are your own . When in fact they are replicas of past thoughts reconfigured in your brain . Which adds to the delusion that you do have your own thoughts. Even if you do something that resembles a new thought it really is not but rather a natural progression of thought instead . Reconfigured by natural processes as the next reorganization in the advancement of ever changing circumstances.
Adaption as to keep up with the demands of exploitation.
Hoarders all the way
james067
thought is that which came from ur mind and it will take nanaseconds..
Plotus
QUOTE (fivedoughnut+Dec 1 2005, 11:24 PM)
Speed.......around 0.6 milliseconds/average human mind.

I imagine you mean the speed synapsis function at ie. distance traveled. Could that be the 'initiation to the manifestation of thought' rather than the distance thought can travel. imagination/thought takes me from this keyboard to the surface of pluto in my mind nearly instantly, or rather at this 0.6 milliseconds? from the time i imagine it till it manifest in my mind........ just my food for thought.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Plotus+Mar 27 2013, 02:04 AM)
I imagine you mean the speed synapsis function at ie. distance traveled. Could that be the 'initiation to the manifestation of thought' rather than the distance thought can travel. imagination/thought takes me from this keyboard to the surface of pluto in my mind nearly instantly, or rather at this 0.6 milliseconds? from the time i imagine it till it manifest in my mind........ just my food for thought.

The thought about the surface of Pluto was a preconceived thought. You had already worked out a picture of Pluto before you thought of using it as an example. So your thought didn't go to the surface of Pluto but just to another area of your relatively small brain which should have taken virtually no time at all to traverse.
Mekigal
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 27 2013, 02:21 AM)
The thought about the surface of Pluto was a preconceived thought. You had already worked out a picture of Pluto before you thought of using it as an example. So your thought didn't go to the surface of Pluto but just to another area of your relatively small brain which should have taken virtually no time at all to traverse.

why did you do that ? What did he do to you ? You said he had a small brain ? Rpenner You are one mean irritable dude Rob . Rude thing to say . I knew you where mean
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mekigal+Mar 27 2013, 05:31 AM)
why did you do that ? What did he do to you ? You said he had a small brain ? Rpenner You are one mean irritable dude Rob . Rude thing to say . I knew you where mean

I thought you might be affected by me saying that. Look he was trying to say his mind extends all the way to Pluto, so very truthfully the dimensions of a human brain in comparison is extreme minuscule to say the very least.
And that is what I was saying, but the likes of you would naturally read it the wrong way and accuse me falsely of being rude.
Could you not see the funny side to that? To me it was as funny as.
Mekigal
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 27 2013, 05:41 AM)
I thought you might be affected by me saying that. Look he was trying to say his mind extends all the way to Pluto, so very truthfully the dimensions of a human brain in comparison is extreme minuscule to say the very least.
And that is what I was saying, but the likes of you would naturally read it the wrong way and accuse me falsely of being rude.
Could you not see the funny side to that? To me it was as funny as.

funny as a one armed wall paper hanger cause you are an evil Jesus lover . Say it < You are an Evil Jesus lover so they know
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mekigal+Mar 27 2013, 05:44 AM)
funny as a one armed wall paper hanger cause you are an evil Jesus lover . Say it < You are an Evil Jesus lover so they know

I don't find seeing a person with a disability funny? I would much prefer to be an "an Evil Jesus lover" than find that funny.
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