What is total speed of light?
In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the frame reference (interferometer), mirrors, and source of light are all in one area of earth. As far as that reference, that small area is concerned, light is the same, constant at 186,000 miles/sec. anywhere it is pointed. But in bigger context, bigger reference, the entire earth, a light emanating from earth to outer space has TOTAL speed as follows: light constant speed of 186,000 miles/sec. plus ride on source of light, earth, itself, with speed of 68,000 miles/hr. This ride-on computation conforms with the ride-on computation by NASA of speed of earth which orbit on sun, the sun orbit on Milky Way, etc, with total accumulated speed of over 500,000 miles per/hr. total ride-on speed of earth within Milky Way.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy were detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered illusion. But if light ride-on on sources, like earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible as explained in above paragraph, then that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Light is never independent from source, without the source, there is no light.
Jsaldea12
8.28.09
Jsaldea 12
8.28.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Aug 28 2009, 10:53 AM)
In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the frame reference (interferometer), mirrors, and source of light are all in one area of earth. As far as that reference, that small area is concerned, light is the same, constant at 186,000 miles/sec. anywhere it is pointed. But in bigger context, bigger reference, the entire earth, a light emanating from earth to outer space has TOTAL speed as follows: light constant speed of 186,000 miles/sec. plus ride on source of light, earth, itself, with speed of 68,000 miles/hr. This ride-on computation conforms with the ride-on computation by NASA of speed of earth which orbit on sun, the sun orbit on Milky Way, etc, with total accumulated speed of over 500,000 miles per/hr. total ride-on speed of earth within Milky Way.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy were detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered illusion. But if light ride-on on sources, like earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible as explained in above paragraph, then that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Light is never independent from source, without the source, there is no light.
I can almost detect a sensible question behind the nonsense.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy were detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered illusion. But if light ride-on on sources, like earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible as explained in above paragraph, then that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Light is never independent from source, without the source, there is no light.
I can almost detect a sensible question behind the nonsense.
jsaldea12 has no understanding of relativity and has probably never even heard of Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism.
Hubble telescope stationed in outer space does not lie. : that photographed super-luminal velocity of super-pressurized jettison emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, may be real…not an illusion.
Regards.
Jsaldea
8.29.09
Regards.
Jsaldea
8.29.09
8.30.09
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Comments & Questions
Sir/madam:
What is the total speed of light?
In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the frame reference used were: interferometer, mirrors, and source of light, all inside one area of earth. As far as that reference, that small area is concerned, light is the same, constant at 186,000 miles/sec. anywhere it is pointed, thus, everything inside the area moves as one including light because light is constant. But in bigger context, bigger reference, re- the entire earth wherein the light emanates, and a detached observer OUTSIDE earth: a light emanating from earth to outer space will be seen by the detached outside observer as follows: light constant speed riding on the speeding earth, just like a detached observer on sidewalk will see a vehicle (representing earth) at night moving with light on. Thus, the total speed of light is constant 186,000 miles plus its ride-on on speeding earth of 68,000 miles per/hr. There is no question that light is constant, is 186,000 miles/sec. It is the frame reference that needs to be expanded. Light is never independent of source, like that vehicle with light put on and off. This ride on of light on moving earth conforms with the ride-on computation by NASA of speed of earth which orbits sun, the sun orbits Milky Way, etc, with total accumulated speeds of earth of over 500,000 miles per/hr., the total ride-on speed of earth within Milky Way.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty to forty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. A galaxy has speed of 1.5 million miles per/hr, more or less. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy was detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered “illusion”. But if light rides on motion of sources, like moving earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible, as explained in preceding paragraph, that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible..
Referring to the super-luminal velocity of jet moving 3 times the speed of light being ride-on: It appears strongly that Hubble telescope, which is stationed on outer space, does not lie. That photograph of the super-luminal velocity of super-pressurized jettison emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, may be real…not an illusion.
In this connection, permit undersigned to request NASA to re-investigate that jet emanating from galaxy moving faster than light, in the light of above new observations, ride-on.
Please respond. Thank you.
Very truly yours,
Jose S. Aldea
Chairman – Capiz Scientists & Inventors Society
Cc: phys forums
CONTACT NASA
Comments & Questions
Sir/madam:
What is the total speed of light?
In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the frame reference used were: interferometer, mirrors, and source of light, all inside one area of earth. As far as that reference, that small area is concerned, light is the same, constant at 186,000 miles/sec. anywhere it is pointed, thus, everything inside the area moves as one including light because light is constant. But in bigger context, bigger reference, re- the entire earth wherein the light emanates, and a detached observer OUTSIDE earth: a light emanating from earth to outer space will be seen by the detached outside observer as follows: light constant speed riding on the speeding earth, just like a detached observer on sidewalk will see a vehicle (representing earth) at night moving with light on. Thus, the total speed of light is constant 186,000 miles plus its ride-on on speeding earth of 68,000 miles per/hr. There is no question that light is constant, is 186,000 miles/sec. It is the frame reference that needs to be expanded. Light is never independent of source, like that vehicle with light put on and off. This ride on of light on moving earth conforms with the ride-on computation by NASA of speed of earth which orbits sun, the sun orbits Milky Way, etc, with total accumulated speeds of earth of over 500,000 miles per/hr., the total ride-on speed of earth within Milky Way.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty to forty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. A galaxy has speed of 1.5 million miles per/hr, more or less. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy was detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered “illusion”. But if light rides on motion of sources, like moving earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible, as explained in preceding paragraph, that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible..
Referring to the super-luminal velocity of jet moving 3 times the speed of light being ride-on: It appears strongly that Hubble telescope, which is stationed on outer space, does not lie. That photograph of the super-luminal velocity of super-pressurized jettison emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, may be real…not an illusion.
In this connection, permit undersigned to request NASA to re-investigate that jet emanating from galaxy moving faster than light, in the light of above new observations, ride-on.
Please respond. Thank you.
Very truly yours,
Jose S. Aldea
Chairman – Capiz Scientists & Inventors Society
Cc: phys forums
GPS works.
It would not work if what you say is accurate.
It would not work if what you say is accurate.
When I mean referring to outside earth, it is outside earth influence, The gravitational field of earth is its extension, is ONE with earth and moves as one with earth, accordingly GPS inside stated gravitational field, moves as one, too. . The outside observer has to be in Mars to observe earth....Hope its clear..
Regards.
jsaldea12
9.1.09
Regards.
jsaldea12
9.1.09
The Earth is nothing special.
As GPS orbits earth, it moves as one with earth speeding at 68,000 miles per/hour. Regards.
jsaldea12
9.2.09
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jsaldea12
9.2.09
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..there seems some misunderstanding somehow, what I just mean is this: GPS satellite is like the moon which orbits earth, and earth orbits the sun at 68,000 miles per/hr., thus the moon and GPS obey, accordingly, the orbit of earth. Both are one, ride-on, with earth in its motion. This ride-on computation is not mine alone, NASA also uses it to arrive at speed of earth around Milky Way which is 500,000 miles per/hr., more or less.
I could be wrong, I could take it, or I could be right. But NASA has not yet responded on repeated query that the ride-on of speed of light on that super-luminal energetic matter jettison, at super-speed (could exceeds light itself), emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole. could be real, not an illusion, as such was detected by Hubble telescope and Chandra radio telescope..
Regards, sir.
Jsaldea12
9.5.09
I could be wrong, I could take it, or I could be right. But NASA has not yet responded on repeated query that the ride-on of speed of light on that super-luminal energetic matter jettison, at super-speed (could exceeds light itself), emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole. could be real, not an illusion, as such was detected by Hubble telescope and Chandra radio telescope..
Regards, sir.
Jsaldea12
9.5.09
And my point is that the GPS says you can't use "ride-on" logic. When you do you get the wrong answers.
You can't use 1+1 addition. You have to use what I believe Rpenner has called "rapidity" in another thread..
You are using logic to say that reality is wrong. That is a losing arguement.
You can't use 1+1 addition. You have to use what I believe Rpenner has called "rapidity" in another thread..
You are using logic to say that reality is wrong. That is a losing arguement.
The point is because, like the moon, GPS moves as one with earth, GPS works perfectly. Gets.
Jsaldea12
9.7.09
Jsaldea12
9.7.09
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The point is because, like the moon, GPS moves as one with earth, GPS works perfectly.
The moon is not in a geosynch orbit.
Orbital speed in geosynch orbit is about 6878 mph. The earth rotates at about 1000 mph at the equator.
Are you too stupid to look up the simplest facts?
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Sep 7 2009, 01:42 PM)
The point is because, like the moon, GPS moves as one with earth, GPS works perfectly. Gets.
Jsaldea12
9.7.09
My point is the GPS satellites are not moving as one with respect to a GPS reciever.
And furthermore the people that built it did not use your "ride on" math. They used the math that says you can not add up speeds the way you do.
EIDT a little more detail at any time some satellites are getting closer to any given point and some are getting further away. The ones getting closer do not have radio signals coming faster than from the ones moving away.
Jsaldea12
9.7.09
My point is the GPS satellites are not moving as one with respect to a GPS reciever.
And furthermore the people that built it did not use your "ride on" math. They used the math that says you can not add up speeds the way you do.
EIDT a little more detail at any time some satellites are getting closer to any given point and some are getting further away. The ones getting closer do not have radio signals coming faster than from the ones moving away.
A stewardess walking back and forth the aisle of airplane has her own motion but her motion is one with the motion of airplane, thus GPS has its own secondary motion but is one in motion with primary motion of earth. Regards.
jsaldea12
9.08.09
If you have one GPS satellite going away from you and one coming towards you, does the light from them come at you at two different speeds?
Is the light coming from the one going away from you, slower?
Is the light coming from the one coming towards you going faster?
Is the light coming from the one going away from you, slower?
Is the light coming from the one coming towards you going faster?
Why doesn anyone argue with this idiot?
Light is simply constant, declared Dr. Einstein after 10 years of bafflement and investigation by Michelson-Morley and other scientists of the time. Light is constant at 186,000 miles per/sec. If you have a stick, 186 millimeters long, it is rigid, IT IS CONSTANT. Anywhere you thrust the stick, forward, backward, sideward, THE STICK REMAINS THE SAME 186 millimeter long. But if you thrust it forward, sideward, or backward, those THRUSTS INCREASE the distance of the stick reach by those thrusts. Light is constant, it is like that stick, only 186,000 miles in length per/sec. The stick is never independent from the hand of the person, in like manner, light is never independent from the source. If there is a flying saucer flying at twice the speed of light, and light is put on in front of flying saucer. Light remains constant but the flying saucer is thrusting the same constant light at twice the speed of light itself, thus, light is thrust faster than itself by twice.. This appears strongly the case of super-luminal, super-speed jet emanating from center of galaxy, a completely pressurized black hole that caused that jettison…could be moving faster than light, itself, plus the speed of light…is the detected speed of three times? than light. It implicates that matter and energy can be ejected at super-speed at FRICTIONLESS, frictionless, OUTER SPACE faster than light. That detected luminal velocity of jet from blackhole was taken by Hubble telescope in clear outer space and Chandra radio telescope, I don’t think BOTH could be lying…
Jsaldea12
8.9.09
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8.9.09
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idiot.
I feel there is just misunderstanding, thus, permit me to propound three queries:
(a) In my article, the frame reference of Michelson-Morley should have been expanded, with bigger context, bigger reference. Am I right or wrong.? Please refer to article.
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The ride-on concept of NASA in calculating the total speed of earth in Milky way, re-earth orbits sun, sun orbit Milky Way, Milky Way, itself, is speeding.. the total speed of earth in Milky Way is 500,000 miles plus per hr. This is not my calculation, this is NASA figure.
© Super-luminal velocity of super-jet emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, exceeding light, itself (correction: may not exactly three times the speed of light as Astronomer Beritta stated) , MAY be real as photos were taken by Hubble telescope, stationed in clear outer space and by Chandra X-ray telescope, BOTH CANNOT be wrong.
By the way, NASA has not responded yet to above queries, further brought up to NASA with request for re-investigation..
In the last posting of mine, I mean 186 centimeters, not 186 millimeters. But I guess this posting is better cancelled...
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AlexG, I see only skull, where is your brain? Regards.
Jsaldea12
9.12.09
(a) In my article, the frame reference of Michelson-Morley should have been expanded, with bigger context, bigger reference. Am I right or wrong.? Please refer to article.
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The ride-on concept of NASA in calculating the total speed of earth in Milky way, re-earth orbits sun, sun orbit Milky Way, Milky Way, itself, is speeding.. the total speed of earth in Milky Way is 500,000 miles plus per hr. This is not my calculation, this is NASA figure.© Super-luminal velocity of super-jet emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, exceeding light, itself (correction: may not exactly three times the speed of light as Astronomer Beritta stated) , MAY be real as photos were taken by Hubble telescope, stationed in clear outer space and by Chandra X-ray telescope, BOTH CANNOT be wrong.
By the way, NASA has not responded yet to above queries, further brought up to NASA with request for re-investigation..
In the last posting of mine, I mean 186 centimeters, not 186 millimeters. But I guess this posting is better cancelled...
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AlexG, I see only skull, where is your brain? Regards.
Jsaldea12
9.12.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Sep 12 2009, 10:02 AM)
By the way, NASA has not responded yet to above queries, further brought up to NASA with request for re-investigation..
Perhaps NASA isn't staffed by rock-headed crackpots?
Perhaps NASA isn't staffed by rock-headed crackpots?
Jsaldea; go for a walk. You are not stuck in an iron lung are you?
You really don't understand movement do you?
Why do you talk about distance when you talk speed?
I would think a simple walk would help you uderstand speed.
And I don't think you answered my question about the speed of light from a satellite coming towards you vs one going away from you.
When you answer that you will start to understand more about light when you get the correct answer.
You really don't understand movement do you?
Why do you talk about distance when you talk speed?
I would think a simple walk would help you uderstand speed.
And I don't think you answered my question about the speed of light from a satellite coming towards you vs one going away from you.
When you answer that you will start to understand more about light when you get the correct answer.
Had brought matter to NASA regarding these observations, re-the frame reference, the ride-on concept, the luminal velocity of jet...thus, for the time being, it is enough on this topic, If I am wrong, I can take it, if right, it is expanding relativity. Regards.
jsaldea12
9.13.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Sep 13 2009, 12:12 PM)
Had brought matter to NASA regarding these observations, re-the frame reference, the ride-on concept, the luminal velocity of jet...thus, for the time being, it is enough on this topic, If I am wrong, I can take it, if right, it is expanding relativity. Regards.
jsaldea12
9.13.09
If you think light coming from a source that is moving towards you "rides on" the object, and if moving faster than light from a retreating source, then you are wrong.
And wasteing people's time.
Why would you not research the basics first before bothering people at NASA?
jsaldea12
9.13.09
If you think light coming from a source that is moving towards you "rides on" the object, and if moving faster than light from a retreating source, then you are wrong.
And wasteing people's time.
Why would you not research the basics first before bothering people at NASA?
Actually your query was answered in my post last 9.8.09. I hope this time I’ll do justice to explain more clearly:
If a person holds a stick 186 centimeters (not millimeters) in front and thrust that stick forward, the stick remains the same but the REACH of the stick is increased as follows: the stick length plus the length of forward thrust. If the stick is pointed at the rear (back) and the person thrusts that stick forward, the length of the stick remains the same but its reach in front is not. but stating again, the length of the stick is the same, is constant. Suppose that stick is light, itself, because light is the same, CONSTANTLY the same length per second of 186,000 miles. So the length of light remains the same forward, backward, sideward of 186,000 miles per/sec. but the reach of the light in front, in forward thrust is increased by the forward thrust. This is what I mean, the ride-on which is in conformity with NASA calculation ride-on total speed of earth within Milky Way.. I hope it is clear, fos not deserved sus…..
It is the observation of Chandra X-ray telescope that the jet emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole facing toward us, moving toward us, is moving faster than light itself. It was further observed that the jet was moving fast first, then slowed when it reached cloud or nebulae.
Jsaldea12
9.14.09
If a person holds a stick 186 centimeters (not millimeters) in front and thrust that stick forward, the stick remains the same but the REACH of the stick is increased as follows: the stick length plus the length of forward thrust. If the stick is pointed at the rear (back) and the person thrusts that stick forward, the length of the stick remains the same but its reach in front is not. but stating again, the length of the stick is the same, is constant. Suppose that stick is light, itself, because light is the same, CONSTANTLY the same length per second of 186,000 miles. So the length of light remains the same forward, backward, sideward of 186,000 miles per/sec. but the reach of the light in front, in forward thrust is increased by the forward thrust. This is what I mean, the ride-on which is in conformity with NASA calculation ride-on total speed of earth within Milky Way.. I hope it is clear, fos not deserved sus…..
It is the observation of Chandra X-ray telescope that the jet emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole facing toward us, moving toward us, is moving faster than light itself. It was further observed that the jet was moving fast first, then slowed when it reached cloud or nebulae.
Jsaldea12
9.14.09
That is assuming Born rigidity which is a mathematical idealization which is counterfactual.
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Sep 14 2009, 04:03 AM)
Actually your query was answered in my post last 9.8.09. I hope this time I’ll do justice to explain more clearly:
If a person holds a stick 186 centimeters (not millimeters) in front and thrust that stick forward, the stick remains the same but the REACH of the stick is increased as follows: the stick length plus the length of forward thrust. If the stick is pointed at the rear (back) and the person thrusts that stick forward, the length of the stick remains the same but its reach in front is not. but stating again, the length of the stick is the same, is constant. Suppose that stick is light, itself, because light is the same, CONSTANTLY the same length per second of 186,000 miles. So the length of light remains the same forward, backward, sideward of 186,000 miles per/sec. but the reach of the light in front, in forward thrust is increased by the forward thrust. This is what I mean, the ride-on which is in conformity with NASA calculation ride-on total speed of earth within Milky Way.. I hope it is clear, fos not deserved sus…..
It is the observation of Chandra X-ray telescope that the jet emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole facing toward us, moving toward us, is moving faster than light itself. It was further observed that the jet was moving fast first, then slowed when it reached cloud or nebulae.
Jsaldea12
9.14.09
Again I say take a walk and pay attention to your movement.
Maybe have someone photograph you.
Try your thinking with a different time frame. Try a light year instead of a second.
Maybe go for a ride in a car that has a dual spedometor. Imperial and metric. Maybe then you will understand your analogy is seriously flawed.
If a person holds a stick 186 centimeters (not millimeters) in front and thrust that stick forward, the stick remains the same but the REACH of the stick is increased as follows: the stick length plus the length of forward thrust. If the stick is pointed at the rear (back) and the person thrusts that stick forward, the length of the stick remains the same but its reach in front is not. but stating again, the length of the stick is the same, is constant. Suppose that stick is light, itself, because light is the same, CONSTANTLY the same length per second of 186,000 miles. So the length of light remains the same forward, backward, sideward of 186,000 miles per/sec. but the reach of the light in front, in forward thrust is increased by the forward thrust. This is what I mean, the ride-on which is in conformity with NASA calculation ride-on total speed of earth within Milky Way.. I hope it is clear, fos not deserved sus…..
It is the observation of Chandra X-ray telescope that the jet emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole facing toward us, moving toward us, is moving faster than light itself. It was further observed that the jet was moving fast first, then slowed when it reached cloud or nebulae.
Jsaldea12
9.14.09
Again I say take a walk and pay attention to your movement.
Maybe have someone photograph you.
Try your thinking with a different time frame. Try a light year instead of a second.
Maybe go for a ride in a car that has a dual spedometor. Imperial and metric. Maybe then you will understand your analogy is seriously flawed.
JS: By your logic, both sound and water waves would travel faster if emitted from moving objects --- yet clearly they don't. Explain why there is a difference.
A person riding a car at 100 miles oer/hr, toward the direction of earth's orbit is moving faster than earth, itself. Earth orbits of 68,000 miles per hour plus 100 miles per hour. this is what i mean by ride-on. Regards.
jsaldea12
9.15.09
Still once again demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge regarding both relativity and light.
Why is this allowed to continue?
Why is this allowed to continue?
For vomit comic relief?
It may be out of respect to the country that gave us fried bananas, pancit bihon, and lumpiang shanghai. Or it might just be that once a poster reaches a certain level of disconnect with reality, proportionate moderator actions have no discernible effect. And the forum owners don't pay me enough to invent new draconian measures every day.
Are you proposing I should immediately ban everyone who doesn't have at least my grasp of the sciences, or that I should immediately ban everyone who fails to learn? jsaldea12 strikes me as obstinate, ignorant and a poor communicator, but far from completely odious. Why does jsaldea12 vex you so?
Are you proposing I should immediately ban everyone who doesn't have at least my grasp of the sciences, or that I should immediately ban everyone who fails to learn? jsaldea12 strikes me as obstinate, ignorant and a poor communicator, but far from completely odious. Why does jsaldea12 vex you so?
Good question.
I can put up with odious easier than rank stupidity.
I can put up with odious easier than rank stupidity.
Two ways of interpreting: the car no matter where it goes and how fast is ONE in motion of earth. The other, relativity speaking, the speed of earth plus speed of car.
jsaldea12
9.15.09
I repeat: jsaldea12: By your logic, both sound and water waves would travel faster if emitted from moving objects --- yet clearly they don't. Explain why there is a difference.
It is a common crank trait to completely avoid inconvenient questions. Are you one of those?
It is a common crank trait to completely avoid inconvenient questions. Are you one of those?
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Sep 15 2009, 02:42 AM)
A person riding a car at 100 miles oer/hr, toward the direction of earth's orbit is moving faster than earth, itself. Earth orbits of 68,000 miles per hour plus 100 miles per hour. this is what i mean by ride-on. Regards.
jsaldea12
9.15.09
And it works with a car but not light.
If a guy at the back of the light shines a light towards the front of the car, it doesn't matter how fast the car is moving.
The light travels the same speed relative to the car and relative to the road.
Light does not have a ride-on effect. It simply does not.
It has been proven not to have a ride-on effect and I don't mean just by MM experiment.
You are wrong. And keep saying you will accept it but don't.
You do know honey bees can fly, right?
So why do you believe some other nonsense that gets published?
Oh and we all know what you mean by "ride-on" but we learned in high school that it is not relevant when talking about light. And the GPS is one example of proof it does not work for light.
jsaldea12
9.15.09
And it works with a car but not light.
If a guy at the back of the light shines a light towards the front of the car, it doesn't matter how fast the car is moving.
The light travels the same speed relative to the car and relative to the road.
Light does not have a ride-on effect. It simply does not.
It has been proven not to have a ride-on effect and I don't mean just by MM experiment.
You are wrong. And keep saying you will accept it but don't.
You do know honey bees can fly, right?
So why do you believe some other nonsense that gets published?
Oh and we all know what you mean by "ride-on" but we learned in high school that it is not relevant when talking about light. And the GPS is one example of proof it does not work for light.
Sound and water waves, subject to earth’s gravity, are exceptionally slow compare to light. But as I said, if am wrong, I can take. Now, this is the implication, if it is true, because Hubble telescope in space and Chandra X-ray telescope appear very likely cannot be BOTH wrong.. regarding that super-luminal super-pressured jet, ejected from center of galaxy, a super-collapsed black hole, could be real. Why, it is black hole super-pressuring the jet to super-speed in FRICTIONLESS outer space that super-speed jet pushes light to move faster than itself,
No doubt about the super-luminal velocity of light from such jet because a number or reputable astronomers have made the observation: that is clue, there is something in it.
Reiterating, no question, light speed is constant, 186,000 miles per/sec. Makes no difference where the light is pointed from a moving car. But are you aware that as you drive a car at night with light on, your car pushes the head light of your car ON WHICH LIGHT IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT (without the source of light, there is no light), as you travel a certain distance, call it relativity ride-on or push-on, the point is there is increase in reach of CONSTANT light by that distance, though infinismitally small.
Hoping NASA would respond to settle the matter. Regards.
Jsaldea12
91609
No doubt about the super-luminal velocity of light from such jet because a number or reputable astronomers have made the observation: that is clue, there is something in it.
Reiterating, no question, light speed is constant, 186,000 miles per/sec. Makes no difference where the light is pointed from a moving car. But are you aware that as you drive a car at night with light on, your car pushes the head light of your car ON WHICH LIGHT IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT (without the source of light, there is no light), as you travel a certain distance, call it relativity ride-on or push-on, the point is there is increase in reach of CONSTANT light by that distance, though infinismitally small.
Hoping NASA would respond to settle the matter. Regards.
Jsaldea12
91609
From the Wikipedia article:
My bolding, just in case you can read.
NASA has you on their list of crackpots, which is why they don't respond.
QUOTE
In astronomy, superluminal motion is the apparently faster-than-light motion seen in some radio galaxies, quasars and recently also in some galactic sources called microquasars. All of these sources are thought to contain a black hole, responsible for the ejection of mass at high velocities.
When first observed in the early 1980s, superluminal motion was taken to be a piece of evidence against quasars having cosmological distances. Although a few astrophysicists still argue for this view, most believe that apparent velocities greater than the velocity of light are optical illusions and involve no physics incompatible with the theory of special relativity.
When first observed in the early 1980s, superluminal motion was taken to be a piece of evidence against quasars having cosmological distances. Although a few astrophysicists still argue for this view, most believe that apparent velocities greater than the velocity of light are optical illusions and involve no physics incompatible with the theory of special relativity.
My bolding, just in case you can read.
NASA has you on their list of crackpots, which is why they don't respond.
NASA is not responding formally but is against me? I was expecting that. It is best to shelve this issue for future study and reference, at least you confirm that this luminal velocity of jet was seen by many reputable scientists, an optical illusion? As observed by Chandra X-ray telescope, the jet was, at first, moving super-fast, then it slows down upon encountering clouds or nebulae. this takes decades or more observation. I dont know illusion can do that.
For the time being, let it rest but be on record, to include me among those who claimed to declare that the reach of the speed of light is increased by ride-on by suspended object, such jet, such colliding galaxies, such as quasar (pegged now to 99% speed of light), ltself> Hope someday, such luminal velocity of light will not be observed again, though such ride-on is based on NASAcomputation of total speed of earth, a RELATIVITY ride-on, within Milky Way which is amazing 500,000 miles per/hr.. Ride-on Concept is based on incontrovertible fact: Light is not independent of its source.
Regards.
jsaldea12
9.16.09
[Moderator: Suspended 15 days for nakedly asserting a contrafactual "incontrovertible fact." In fact, neither stars not atomic particles show any evidence of this "ride-on" concept since if there was a "ride-on" effect for binary stars, they would have predictable distortions in movements from Keplerian movement. And if it involved fundamental particles, it would have been evidenced when light from electromagnetic decays of highly relativistic particles has its speed measured. Physics is about talking about the behavior of the universe -- ignorant speculation of that behavior is counter-productive and treated as such.]
For the time being, let it rest but be on record, to include me among those who claimed to declare that the reach of the speed of light is increased by ride-on by suspended object, such jet, such colliding galaxies, such as quasar (pegged now to 99% speed of light), ltself> Hope someday, such luminal velocity of light will not be observed again, though such ride-on is based on NASAcomputation of total speed of earth, a RELATIVITY ride-on, within Milky Way which is amazing 500,000 miles per/hr.. Ride-on Concept is based on incontrovertible fact: Light is not independent of its source.
Regards.
jsaldea12
9.16.09
[Moderator: Suspended 15 days for nakedly asserting a contrafactual "incontrovertible fact." In fact, neither stars not atomic particles show any evidence of this "ride-on" concept since if there was a "ride-on" effect for binary stars, they would have predictable distortions in movements from Keplerian movement. And if it involved fundamental particles, it would have been evidenced when light from electromagnetic decays of highly relativistic particles has its speed measured. Physics is about talking about the behavior of the universe -- ignorant speculation of that behavior is counter-productive and treated as such.]
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Sep 16 2009, 05:32 AM)
Ride-on Concept is based on incontrovertible fact: Light is not independent of its source.
Regards.
jsaldea12
GPS(and lots of other examples) says otherwise.
Regards.
jsaldea12
GPS(and lots of other examples) says otherwise.
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Aug 28 2009, 02:53 PM)
What is total speed of light?
In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the frame reference (interferometer), mirrors, and source of light are all in one area of earth. As far as that reference, that small area is concerned, light is the same, constant at 186,000 miles/sec. anywhere it is pointed. But in bigger context, bigger reference, the entire earth, a light emanating from earth to outer space has TOTAL speed as follows: light constant speed of 186,000 miles/sec. plus ride on source of light, earth, itself, with speed of 68,000 miles/hr. This ride-on computation conforms with the ride-on computation by NASA of speed of earth which orbit on sun, the sun orbit on Milky Way, etc, with total accumulated speed of over 500,000 miles per/hr. total ride-on speed of earth within Milky Way.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy were detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered illusion. But if light ride-on on sources, like earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible as explained in above paragraph, then that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Light is never independent from source, without the source, there is no light.
Jsaldea12
8.28.09
Jsaldea 12
8.28.09
Oh I like your ideas and writing style well as
Come on !
In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the frame reference (interferometer), mirrors, and source of light are all in one area of earth. As far as that reference, that small area is concerned, light is the same, constant at 186,000 miles/sec. anywhere it is pointed. But in bigger context, bigger reference, the entire earth, a light emanating from earth to outer space has TOTAL speed as follows: light constant speed of 186,000 miles/sec. plus ride on source of light, earth, itself, with speed of 68,000 miles/hr. This ride-on computation conforms with the ride-on computation by NASA of speed of earth which orbit on sun, the sun orbit on Milky Way, etc, with total accumulated speed of over 500,000 miles per/hr. total ride-on speed of earth within Milky Way.
This ride-on may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why super-luminal velocity of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy were detected faster than speed of light by as much as 3 times. This observation was later considered illusion. But if light ride-on on sources, like earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible as explained in above paragraph, then that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Light is never independent from source, without the source, there is no light.
Jsaldea12
8.28.09
Jsaldea 12
8.28.09
Oh I like your ideas and writing style well as
Come on !
Vintage Guitars,
Thank you for the compliment. But I am afraid to be given red again. But, due to long freeze duration, had to occupy myself and had submitted same to astronomy forums. Regards. But nice to be back. Regards to all.
jsaldea12
10.2.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 2 2009, 12:45 AM)
Vintage Guitars,
Thank you for the compliment. But I am afraid to be given red again.
jsaldea12
10.2.09
THEN learn.
And drop your wrong assumptions.
You said that "Light is not independent of its source."
That is wrong.
Accept it and move forward.
You will be doing yourself a favour.
Thank you for the compliment. But I am afraid to be given red again.
jsaldea12
10.2.09
THEN learn.
And drop your wrong assumptions.
You said that "Light is not independent of its source."
That is wrong.
Accept it and move forward.
You will be doing yourself a favour.
I accept, light is not independent from source. I mis-interpreted, I mixed up and got lost in mixed up.. What it means is that once released from source, light is free, is independent from source. It is on its own voyage..
I was referring to light, per si, cannot exist, by itself, without ORIGINAL source. Sorry.
But here is an interesting find (but please do not suspend): Light cannot escape black hole because of strong gravitational pull of the black hole. that is why black hole is dubbed like proton which does not decay in a sense that black hole just sucks everything within range, like very hungry pacman. That luminal jet emanating from center of galaxy must be a monster black hole to eject that luminal jet…must be super-ejected faster than light, otherwise, that jet would have been sucked back to pacman black hole. This is just one angle that needs to be looked into, honestly.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.7.09
I was referring to light, per si, cannot exist, by itself, without ORIGINAL source. Sorry.
But here is an interesting find (but please do not suspend): Light cannot escape black hole because of strong gravitational pull of the black hole. that is why black hole is dubbed like proton which does not decay in a sense that black hole just sucks everything within range, like very hungry pacman. That luminal jet emanating from center of galaxy must be a monster black hole to eject that luminal jet…must be super-ejected faster than light, otherwise, that jet would have been sucked back to pacman black hole. This is just one angle that needs to be looked into, honestly.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.7.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 7 2009, 01:28 AM)
I accept, light is not independent from source. I mis-interpreted, I mixed up and got lost in mixed up.. What it means is that once released from source, light is free, is independent from source. It is on its own voyage..
I was referring to light, per si, cannot exist, by itself, without ORIGINAL source. Sorry.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.7.09
Do you now acknowledge that light travels at the speed of light and does not go faster if it is from a moving source?
That there is no "ride on" effect?
That you can't add the speed of light to the speed of the source of the light?
Do realize those things now?
I was referring to light, per si, cannot exist, by itself, without ORIGINAL source. Sorry.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.7.09
Do you now acknowledge that light travels at the speed of light and does not go faster if it is from a moving source?
That there is no "ride on" effect?
That you can't add the speed of light to the speed of the source of the light?
Do realize those things now?
No one has seen a black hole, There are just some scientists who content that it is superstar. Whatever is that at the center of Milky Way that locks some 100 billion stars must be of super, super-gravitational strength…that light cannot escape, nothing can escape?
Regards
Jsaldea12.
10.8.09
Regards
Jsaldea12.
10.8.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 8 2009, 08:10 AM)
No one has seen a black hole, There are just some scientists who content that it is superstar. Whatever is that at the center of Milky Way that locks some 100 billion stars must be of super, super-gravitational strength…that light cannot escape, nothing can escape?
Regards
Jsaldea12.
10.8.09
Before moving onto that, do you understand that there is no "ride on" effect with light?
Start simple and work up.
Do you now admit you were totally wrong before about the speed of light being added to the speed of the object creating it?
Regards
Jsaldea12.
10.8.09
Before moving onto that, do you understand that there is no "ride on" effect with light?
Start simple and work up.
Do you now admit you were totally wrong before about the speed of light being added to the speed of the object creating it?
.
When light is released/projected from its source, like galaxy, light waves preserves such original image of the source, that no matter how far light travels, even in million of light-years travel, that original impression of the source is retained as is, .that upon contact on earth, that image of source is seen exactly as is, re-at the time of occurrence, location, with all sounds, color, and motion at that time of impression.….though the real source, galaxy, has moved and is presently somewhere.. not like "Back to the future", but back in time.. This simply shows that light once released is independent from its source (that is why “velocity of light is independent from source and motion of source”), but it retains exactly the image of the source, as a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images but exact images of the original impression, the time of event, location, etc. like a movie in theatre.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10909
When light is released/projected from its source, like galaxy, light waves preserves such original image of the source, that no matter how far light travels, even in million of light-years travel, that original impression of the source is retained as is, .that upon contact on earth, that image of source is seen exactly as is, re-at the time of occurrence, location, with all sounds, color, and motion at that time of impression.….though the real source, galaxy, has moved and is presently somewhere.. not like "Back to the future", but back in time.. This simply shows that light once released is independent from its source (that is why “velocity of light is independent from source and motion of source”), but it retains exactly the image of the source, as a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images but exact images of the original impression, the time of event, location, etc. like a movie in theatre.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10909
So does that mean you admit you were wrong about light being "ride on"?
although your last post was even more nonsense.
How do photons preserve sound?
although your last post was even more nonsense.
How do photons preserve sound?
Just doing some research. Hope I will not be suspended for doing this.
1.Supernova is actually super-luminal by itself, in a sense that it is brighter than a galaxy, yet, it is accepted as is.
2.Had asked a professional photographer, a friend, why he lights up very brightly his studio. For better clarity, sharpness, contrast. Thus, a photo taken is exactly as is, with clarity, sharpness, contrast. The source light reflects better with better lighting.
3.What about that colliding galaxies detected by a number of reputable astronomers, some 35 years ago, each moving super-fast. Not super-luminal.
4.SR did not forbid particles faster than light. But it is not exactly faster than light. Just ride-on so that the range of light is lengthened than its constant speed.
5.NASA has not responded yet. Please follow up..
It is best to explore all possibilities.
Jsaldea12
10.13.09
1.Supernova is actually super-luminal by itself, in a sense that it is brighter than a galaxy, yet, it is accepted as is.
2.Had asked a professional photographer, a friend, why he lights up very brightly his studio. For better clarity, sharpness, contrast. Thus, a photo taken is exactly as is, with clarity, sharpness, contrast. The source light reflects better with better lighting.
3.What about that colliding galaxies detected by a number of reputable astronomers, some 35 years ago, each moving super-fast. Not super-luminal.
4.SR did not forbid particles faster than light. But it is not exactly faster than light. Just ride-on so that the range of light is lengthened than its constant speed.
5.NASA has not responded yet. Please follow up..
It is best to explore all possibilities.
Jsaldea12
10.13.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 13 2009, 08:54 AM)
Just doing some research. Hope I will not be suspended for doing this.
You can't do physics research here.
Dumbass...
You can't do physics research here.
Dumbass...
I'm really considering a permanent ban. Poster does not seem to engage with facts or definitions, let alone debate.
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM)
Just doing some research. Hope I will not be suspended for doing this.
Jsaldea12
10.13.09
Then do some.
Go buy a GPS unit. If it works then there is no "ride on".
The GPS was designed based on there being no "ride on".
The existence of "ride on" would mean that GPS would not work.
Jsaldea12
10.13.09
Then do some.
Go buy a GPS unit. If it works then there is no "ride on".
The GPS was designed based on there being no "ride on".
The existence of "ride on" would mean that GPS would not work.
All I will say from now on, the best I can say, I am sure you wll agree 100% is
Regards
jsaldea12
10.15.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 13 2009, 11:05 PM)
All I will say from now on, the best I can say, I am sure you wll agree 100% is
Regards
jsaldea12
10.15.09
It's not about what we agree on, it's about what reality agrees on.
And reality does not agree with your "ride on" idea.
Regards
jsaldea12
10.15.09
It's not about what we agree on, it's about what reality agrees on.
And reality does not agree with your "ride on" idea.
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Subject: Follow up on status of article submitted Sept. 9, 2009, entitled, “What is
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Date: October 13, 2009
Dear sir/madam:
Please permit me to follow up status of article submitted Sept. 9, 2009, entitled, “What is the total speed of light? Below is revision with additional supports. It appears that the concept of ride-on needs to be explored as one possibility that can explain that super-luminal jet faster than light.
Please inform status. Thank you
Jose s. Aldea
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What is the total speed of light?
In the famous Michelson-Morley experiment which measured the speed of light, the frame reference used were: interferometer, mirrors, light source, and observer, all on earth. As far as that frame reference, everything on earth moves as ONE with earth motion, including such light. (it is like car full of passengers that move as ONE with the motion of car) . But in bigger context, bigger reference, re- earth and light emanating therefrom and a separate observer OUTSIDE earth’s gravitational pull, such observer would see such earth and light, emanating there from to outer space, as one in motion, with light riding on the said motion of earth. It is like an observer, at night, on sidewalk, seeing a car with lighted head beam moving as one, that wherever the car goes, light follows completely, at that same speed, same constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. Light is independent from motion of source, once released, as is evident in galaxies, million of
light years away, but such light projects indispensably and exactly, the image of its real source, of such galaxy, that upon contact on earth, such travelling light preserves the impressed image as is, re-the occurrence of event, location, complete with color and sound, though the real source, re-galaxy has moved, is somewhere else. As a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images. But those images retain the indispensable impression of the real source.. There is no question that light has constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. In that example, earth in motion and light emanating therefrom, to arrive at total speed of light, re- constant speed of light of 186,000 miles per/sec. plus ride on earth with speed of 18 miles per/sec.. = 186,018 miles per/sec. This is ride-on concept of speed of light as patterned, conformably, after the ride-on computation by Standard University and NASA of total speed of earth around milky way, re- earth circling the
sun, the sun circling Milky Way, Milky way circling on itself, thus, earth’s total speeds is over 500,000 miles per/hr. around Milky Way.
.
This ride-on concept may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty to forty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. A galaxy has speed of 1.5 million miles per/hr, more or less. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why, it is not becoming rare, super-luminal of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, has been detected faster than speed of light. This observation was later considered “illusion”. But if light rides on motion of sources, like orbiting earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible, that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Hubble telescope, stationed on outer space and Chandra X-ray telescope which took the photographs of the super-luminal velocity of super-pressurized, super-speed jettison emanating from center of galaxy,
a black hole, cannot be BOTH wrong.
Here is further clinger: Light cannot escape black hole because the gravitational force of black hole is so strong. it pulls back escaping light from black hole, thus, to escape black hole, an object must exceed the speed of light. Black hole is known not to decay, like proton, because of its strong gravitational force, it sucks all matters. But there is that super luminal jet ejected from center of galaxy, a monster black hole, must be super-ejected, faster than the speed of light or at tremendous super-speed to break loose from such black hole or superstar.. It must noted that Milky Way tugs some 50 billion stars. To tug such billions of stars, Milky Way must have an unimaginable strong gravitational force emanating from the center, a monster black hole, that even escaping light is pulled back to black hole, yet that jet escapes and on which indispensable light rides on. Thus, light to exceed itself is not illusion.. Besides, Special Relativity does not forbid particles moving faster than light. This meritorious matter has been brought to attention of NASA, who is in-charge of Hubble telescope and Chandra X-ray telescope, for re-investigation. .
Submitting the ride-on concept, which is in conformity with NASA, itself, to explore, as one possibility that may explain the super luminal jet emanating from center of galaxy, could be a monster black hole.
Undersigned shall appreciate a response. thank you.
Jsantosaldea12
jsaldea12@yahoo.com
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by: jose s. aldea
Well, there you have it. You aren't getting any replies from the government because you've submitted to the wrong agency. You know how these government types won't help you if your problem is the slightest outside their portfolio.
You see, NASA doesn't deal with "the speed of light" because they work at significantly lower speeds! So, forget getting an answer from them.
What you need is an agency that deals with light on a day-to-day basis, one that depends on light. Therefore, I suggest submitting to the Department of Agriculture. They depend on light: plants don't grow without light! So they care about light.
Yes, the Department of Agriculture is definitely what you want. Light creates plants, plants are eaten by cows, cows produce "fertilizer". All of these things, including your idea, are closely related. And all are under the purview of the Agriculture department.
You see, NASA doesn't deal with "the speed of light" because they work at significantly lower speeds! So, forget getting an answer from them.
What you need is an agency that deals with light on a day-to-day basis, one that depends on light. Therefore, I suggest submitting to the Department of Agriculture. They depend on light: plants don't grow without light! So they care about light.
Yes, the Department of Agriculture is definitely what you want. Light creates plants, plants are eaten by cows, cows produce "fertilizer". All of these things, including your idea, are closely related. And all are under the purview of the Agriculture department.
NASA is the right agency. the most qualified NASA is in charge of Hubble telescope and Chandra X ray telescope. NASA's arm, per below, responded before they will answer ASAP. but former letters with request for re-evaluation. Maybe follow up is needed. this one.
jsaldea12
10.15.09
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Subject Follow up on your CNSHD 757663 and CNSHD75764
Re-What is the total speed of light?
Date: October 15, 2009
Sir/madam:
As the arm of NASA, re-Contact NASA, kindly permit me to request response on above CNSHD’s. re-What is the total speed of light?. Below is revised expanded article, “What is the total speed of light?” you promise to abswer ASAP per above CNSHD’s, last September. Thus, please give answer. Thank you..
Very truly yours,
JOSE S. ALDEA
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What is the total speed of light?
In the famous Michelson-Morley experiment which measured the speed of light, the frame reference used were: interferometer, mirrors, light source, and observer, all on earth. As far as that frame reference, everything on earth moves as ONE with earth motion, including such light. (it is like car full of passengers that move as ONE with the motion of car) . But in bigger context, bigger reference, re- earth and light emanating therefrom and a separate observer OUTSIDE earth’s gravitational pull, such observer would see such earth and light, emanating there from to outer space, as one in motion, with light riding on the said motion of earth. It is like an observer, at night, on sidewalk, seeing a car with lighted head beam moving as one, that wherever the car goes, light follows completely, at that same speed, same constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. Light is independent from motion of source, once released, as is evident in galaxies, million of
light years away, but such light projects indispensably and exactly, the image of its real source, of such galaxy, that upon contact on earth, such travelling light preserves the impressed image as is, re-the occurrence of event, location, complete with color and sound, though the real source, re-galaxy has moved, is somewhere else. As a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images. But those images retain the indispensable impression of the real source.. There is no question that light has constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. In that example, earth in motion and light emanating therefrom, to arrive at total speed of light, re- constant speed of light of 186,000 miles per/sec. plus ride on earth with speed of 18 miles per/sec.. = 186,018 miles per/sec. This is ride-on concept of speed of light as patterned, conformably, after the ride-on computation by Standard University and NASA of total speed of earth around milky way, re- earth circling the
sun, the sun circling Milky Way, Milky way circling on itself, thus, earth’s total speeds is over 500,000 miles per/hr. around Milky Way.
.
This ride-on concept may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty to forty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. A galaxy has speed of 1.5 million miles per/hr, more or less. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why, it is not becoming rare, super-luminal of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, has been detected faster than speed of light. This observation was later considered “illusion”. But if light rides on motion of sources, like orbiting earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible, that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Hubble telescope, stationed on outer space and Chandra X-ray telescope which took the photographs of the super-luminal velocity of super-pressurized, super-speed jettison emanating from center of galaxy,
a black hole, cannot be BOTH wrong.
Here is further clinger: Light cannot escape black hole because the gravitational force of black hole is so strong. it pulls back escaping light from black hole, thus, to escape black hole, an object must exceed the speed of light. Black hole is known not to decay, like proton, because of its strong gravitational force, it sucks all matters. But there is that super luminal jet ejected from center of galaxy, a monster black hole, must be super-ejected, faster than the speed of light or at tremendous super-speed to break loose from such black hole or superstar.. It must noted that Milky Way tugs some 50 billion stars. To tug such billions of stars, Milky Way must have an unimaginable strong gravitational force emanating from the center, a monster black hole, that even escaping light is pulled back to black hole, yet that jet escapes and on which indispensable light rides on. Thus, light to exceed itself is not illusion.. Besides, Special Relativity
does not forbid particles moving faster than light. This meritorious matter has been brought to attention of NASA, who is in-charge of Hubble telescope and Chandra X-ray telescope, for re-investigation. That was a month ago..
Jsantosaldea12
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jsaldea12
10.15.09
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From: "Jose Aldea" <jsaldea12@yahoo.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: outreach@stsci.eduTo: Contact NASA
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From: Jose S. Aldea
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Subject Follow up on your CNSHD 757663 and CNSHD75764
Re-What is the total speed of light?
Date: October 15, 2009
Sir/madam:
As the arm of NASA, re-Contact NASA, kindly permit me to request response on above CNSHD’s. re-What is the total speed of light?. Below is revised expanded article, “What is the total speed of light?” you promise to abswer ASAP per above CNSHD’s, last September. Thus, please give answer. Thank you..
Very truly yours,
JOSE S. ALDEA
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
What is the total speed of light?
In the famous Michelson-Morley experiment which measured the speed of light, the frame reference used were: interferometer, mirrors, light source, and observer, all on earth. As far as that frame reference, everything on earth moves as ONE with earth motion, including such light. (it is like car full of passengers that move as ONE with the motion of car) . But in bigger context, bigger reference, re- earth and light emanating therefrom and a separate observer OUTSIDE earth’s gravitational pull, such observer would see such earth and light, emanating there from to outer space, as one in motion, with light riding on the said motion of earth. It is like an observer, at night, on sidewalk, seeing a car with lighted head beam moving as one, that wherever the car goes, light follows completely, at that same speed, same constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. Light is independent from motion of source, once released, as is evident in galaxies, million of
light years away, but such light projects indispensably and exactly, the image of its real source, of such galaxy, that upon contact on earth, such travelling light preserves the impressed image as is, re-the occurrence of event, location, complete with color and sound, though the real source, re-galaxy has moved, is somewhere else. As a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images. But those images retain the indispensable impression of the real source.. There is no question that light has constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. In that example, earth in motion and light emanating therefrom, to arrive at total speed of light, re- constant speed of light of 186,000 miles per/sec. plus ride on earth with speed of 18 miles per/sec.. = 186,018 miles per/sec. This is ride-on concept of speed of light as patterned, conformably, after the ride-on computation by Standard University and NASA of total speed of earth around milky way, re- earth circling the
sun, the sun circling Milky Way, Milky way circling on itself, thus, earth’s total speeds is over 500,000 miles per/hr. around Milky Way.
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This ride-on concept may explain why colliding galaxies, some thirty to forty years ago, were detected by a number of reputable astronomers moving toward one another, each, at speed faster than light. A galaxy has speed of 1.5 million miles per/hr, more or less. This observation was later modified because nothing is faster than light. This ride-on may explain why, it is not becoming rare, super-luminal of super-jet, emanating from center of galaxy, a black hole, has been detected faster than speed of light. This observation was later considered “illusion”. But if light rides on motion of sources, like orbiting earth, like colliding galaxies, like super-jets, it is not impossible, that total speed of light exceeding its own constant speed is possible. Hubble telescope, stationed on outer space and Chandra X-ray telescope which took the photographs of the super-luminal velocity of super-pressurized, super-speed jettison emanating from center of galaxy,
a black hole, cannot be BOTH wrong.
Here is further clinger: Light cannot escape black hole because the gravitational force of black hole is so strong. it pulls back escaping light from black hole, thus, to escape black hole, an object must exceed the speed of light. Black hole is known not to decay, like proton, because of its strong gravitational force, it sucks all matters. But there is that super luminal jet ejected from center of galaxy, a monster black hole, must be super-ejected, faster than the speed of light or at tremendous super-speed to break loose from such black hole or superstar.. It must noted that Milky Way tugs some 50 billion stars. To tug such billions of stars, Milky Way must have an unimaginable strong gravitational force emanating from the center, a monster black hole, that even escaping light is pulled back to black hole, yet that jet escapes and on which indispensable light rides on. Thus, light to exceed itself is not illusion.. Besides, Special Relativity
does not forbid particles moving faster than light. This meritorious matter has been brought to attention of NASA, who is in-charge of Hubble telescope and Chandra X-ray telescope, for re-investigation. That was a month ago..
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QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 14 2009, 11:18 PM)
Light is independent from motion of source, once released, as is evident in galaxies, million of
light years away, but such light projects indispensably and exactly, the image of its real source, of such galaxy, that upon contact on earth, such travelling light preserves the impressed image as is, re-the occurrence of event, location, complete with color and sound, though the real source, re-galaxy has moved, is somewhere else. As a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images. But those images retain the indispensable impression of the real source.. There is no question that light has constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. In that example, earth in motion and light emanating therefrom, to arrive at total speed of light, re- constant speed of light of 186,000 miles per/sec. plus ride on earth with speed of 18 miles per/sec.. = 186,018 miles per/sec.
You say that the speed of light is independent once it leaves it's source then you say there is a "ride on" effect.
Which is it? It can't be both.
You say both but only one can be true.
light years away, but such light projects indispensably and exactly, the image of its real source, of such galaxy, that upon contact on earth, such travelling light preserves the impressed image as is, re-the occurrence of event, location, complete with color and sound, though the real source, re-galaxy has moved, is somewhere else. As a matter of fact, all galaxies seen are images. But those images retain the indispensable impression of the real source.. There is no question that light has constant speed of 186,000 miles per/sec. In that example, earth in motion and light emanating therefrom, to arrive at total speed of light, re- constant speed of light of 186,000 miles per/sec. plus ride on earth with speed of 18 miles per/sec.. = 186,018 miles per/sec.
You say that the speed of light is independent once it leaves it's source then you say there is a "ride on" effect.
Which is it? It can't be both.
You say both but only one can be true.
The image projected by the light from the SOURCE is the same as the source, itself, that is why a photo of you in a camera is you, the source. An image of the source, re- galaxy, though million of years travel in outer space and though the source, galaxy, has moved, such image retains the same image of source, such is the basis of trust and confidence of astronomers for all images in outer space and outside and inside earth are all images! If in a moving camera, the source of image is moving, the same motion is exactly reflected in the film. That’s it.
By the way, stsci, the arm of NASA has acknowledged receipt.
Jsaldea12
By the way, stsci, the arm of NASA has acknowledged receipt.
Jsaldea12
QUOTE (rpenner+Oct 13 2009, 11:22 AM)
I'm really considering a permanent ban. Poster does not seem to engage with facts or definitions, let alone debate.
Isn't this latest post enough to tilt the scales in favor of banning?
Isn't this latest post enough to tilt the scales in favor of banning?
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The image projected by the light from the SOURCE is the same as the source, itself, that is why a photo of you in a camera is you, the source. An image of the source, re- galaxy, though million of years travel in outer space and though the source, galaxy, has moved, such image retains the same image of source, such is the basis of trust and confidence of astronomers for all images in outer space and outside and inside earth are all images! If in a moving camera, the source of image is moving, the same motion is exactly reflected in the film. That’s it.
By the way, stsci, the arm of NASA has acknowledged receipt.
Jsaldea12
Emphasis mine.
By the way, stsci, the arm of NASA has acknowledged receipt.
Jsaldea12
what I am telling is fact, already, everything that is visibly/seen is reflection or image, impressed and bounced by light of the real source! Unless electro-magnetic light reaches and contact electro-magnetic eyes, no IMAGE is seen. Such impression happens to be property of light. Regards.
jsaldea12
10.15.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 15 2009, 01:25 AM)
The image projected by the light from the SOURCE is the same as the source, itself, that is why a photo of you in a camera is you, the source. An image of the source, re- galaxy, though million of years travel in outer space and though the source, galaxy, has moved, such image retains the same image of source, such is the basis of trust and confidence of astronomers for all images in outer space and outside and inside earth are all images! If in a moving camera, the source of image is moving, the same motion is exactly reflected in the film. That’s it.
By the way, stsci, the arm of NASA has acknowledged receipt.
Jsaldea12
You have to learn to be a lot more precise in what you are saying.
Are you talking about a series of photographs?
By the way, stsci, the arm of NASA has acknowledged receipt.
Jsaldea12
You have to learn to be a lot more precise in what you are saying.
Are you talking about a series of photographs?
In simple language, everything that we see are IMAGES Of THE REAL SOURCE. never the real source. Unless electro-magnetic light reaches and contact electro-magnetic eyes and brain, NOTHING IS VISIBLE. Thus it is projection of the source bylight that makes visible the image of the real source. For only the image of the source and the object it comes in contact is light visible. In between, light is invisible. Do we know why light is invisible, why outer space is pitched black, why the night is dark, inspite of billions of galaxies, trillions of stars?
regards, buttershug, etc.
jsaldea12
10.18.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 18 2009, 01:37 AM)
Do we know why light is invisible, why outer space is pitched black, why the night is dark, inspite of billions of galaxies, trillions of stars?
You simply don't have any glimmer of an inkling, do you?
Stars are separated by literally astronomical distances ..... Galaxies too, but on a much grander scale - we're talking in terms of millions of light years! - such are these separations that little visible light (relatively speaking) is shed on our Earth. In addition, one must take into account interstellar/galactic absorption by dust etc.
Incidentally, "Do we know why light is invisible" is probably the dumbest head-trauma statement this side of Meem.
You simply don't have any glimmer of an inkling, do you?
Stars are separated by literally astronomical distances ..... Galaxies too, but on a much grander scale - we're talking in terms of millions of light years! - such are these separations that little visible light (relatively speaking) is shed on our Earth. In addition, one must take into account interstellar/galactic absorption by dust etc.
Incidentally, "Do we know why light is invisible" is probably the dumbest head-trauma statement this side of Meem.
There is some truth in your rationale. But do you know that anywhere in the sky you point your finger, there is always a star or galaxy or cluster thereat...that there is no reason why the outer space is pitched black. it should have been bright.
Here is xpecific: here in our solar system, the sun rays fills fully the solar system and yet the night is dark. Why?
jsaldea12
10.19.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 18 2009, 12:56 PM)
There is some truth in your rationale. But do you know that anywhere in the sky you point your finger, there is always a star or galaxy or cluster thereat...that there is no reason why the outer space is pitched black. it should have been bright.
Here is xpecific: here in our solar system, the sun rays fills fully the solar system and yet the night is dark. Why?
jsaldea12
10.19.09
Because photons have to be in our eyes to see them.
You don't see any that go over your head.
If you are in space and photons go directly in front of your eyes, you don't see it at all.
You could have a powerful laser to your left shining directly in front of you to your right and you won't see the light at all if you are in vacuum.
Here is xpecific: here in our solar system, the sun rays fills fully the solar system and yet the night is dark. Why?
jsaldea12
10.19.09
Because photons have to be in our eyes to see them.
You don't see any that go over your head.
If you are in space and photons go directly in front of your eyes, you don't see it at all.
You could have a powerful laser to your left shining directly in front of you to your right and you won't see the light at all if you are in vacuum.
Hi, Buttershug, try again, your answers is half baked. Geoff answer with grain of salt though there is a better answer. Try again.
From the author of "Four treatises of modern Physics"
jsaldea12
10.20.09
But the matter density of the universe is very small, and the age of the universe is not infinite, and the universe is expanding, which means that the most distant background that we have is not visible to human eyes.
If the universe was infinite and the age of the universe was infinite, then it would be reasonable for light to reach us from every point in the heavens. It does not, so there is something wrong with your reasoning or assumptions. Since you don't display your reasoning, then you are simply and persistently wrong.
If the universe was infinite and the age of the universe was infinite, then it would be reasonable for light to reach us from every point in the heavens. It does not, so there is something wrong with your reasoning or assumptions. Since you don't display your reasoning, then you are simply and persistently wrong.
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 18 2009, 10:53 PM)
Hi, Buttershug, try again, your answers is half baked. Geoff answer with grain of salt though there is a better answer. Try again.
From the author of "Four treatises of modern Physics"
jsaldea12
10.20.09
If you are talking about the idea that if the Universe is infinite then you should see a star then your example is not appropriate to that.
The sun is only in one direction.
He is right on the money that you don't have any glimmer of an inkling.
From the author of "Four treatises of modern Physics"
jsaldea12
10.20.09
If you are talking about the idea that if the Universe is infinite then you should see a star then your example is not appropriate to that.
The sun is only in one direction.
He is right on the money that you don't have any glimmer of an inkling.
Light speeds at 186,000 miles per/sec. and is supra-supra thin that it cannot be visible on its flight.. But when light length of 186,000 miles impact per second on matter, light becomes concentrated, light becomes visible.
That is why half of earth is visible at daytime, that is why the moon is shinning at night. And glimmers of stars and galaxies can be seen…though outer space is pitched black.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
That is why half of earth is visible at daytime, that is why the moon is shinning at night. And glimmers of stars and galaxies can be seen…though outer space is pitched black.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 19 2009, 12:00 AM)
Light speeds at 186,000 miles per/sec. and is supra-supra thin that it cannot be visible on its flight.. But when light length of 186,000 miles impact per second on matter, light becomes concentrated, light becomes visible.
That is why half of earth is visible at daytime, that is why the moon is shinning at night. And glimmers of stars and galaxies can be seen…though outer space is pitched black.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
If the universe were infinite and size and infinitely dense, then an infinite number of photons in the visible spectrum would be 'impacting the matter' of earth on all sides at all times, keeping it lit. Your reasoning is not only flawed, it's so incredibly flawed that it serves no purpose than to provide us with excuses to mock you.
Dumbass.
That is why half of earth is visible at daytime, that is why the moon is shinning at night. And glimmers of stars and galaxies can be seen…though outer space is pitched black.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
If the universe were infinite and size and infinitely dense, then an infinite number of photons in the visible spectrum would be 'impacting the matter' of earth on all sides at all times, keeping it lit. Your reasoning is not only flawed, it's so incredibly flawed that it serves no purpose than to provide us with excuses to mock you.
Dumbass.
According to Carl Sagan, the visible universe has up to 100 billion galaxies, meaning the light of visible galaxies .that reach earth that become visible, though glimmer due to their distances. Nevertheless, you have a very good point, though Hubble telescope will tell you such galaxies are visible, meaning light is visible from its source and object it comesin contact with, though dimmer due to great distances of galaxies.
But if .light of all galaxies, stars, planets saturates brightly all of outer space, their combined, coordinating light would lighten up all outer space and earth all over.. But as it is, light is so ultra-thin and super-speed that it is invisible in its flight, that is why though there are trillions of lights from such suspended bodies in outer space, outer space is still invisible.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
But if .light of all galaxies, stars, planets saturates brightly all of outer space, their combined, coordinating light would lighten up all outer space and earth all over.. But as it is, light is so ultra-thin and super-speed that it is invisible in its flight, that is why though there are trillions of lights from such suspended bodies in outer space, outer space is still invisible.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 19 2009, 05:00 AM)
Light speeds at 186,000 miles per/sec. and is supra-supra thin that it cannot be visible on its flight.. But when light length of 186,000 miles impact per second on matter, light becomes concentrated, light becomes visible.
That is why half of earth is visible at daytime, that is why the moon is shinning at night. And glimmers of stars and galaxies can be seen…though outer space is pitched black.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
You really need to go for a walk.
Do you really not understand speed?
Measure out 10 meters. Walk it in 10 seconds. that is one meter per second.
Now walk it in 5 seconds. That is two meters per second.
Did the length change?
It only has to do with distance when you also give the time.
Or maybe get a flashlight. Shine at a wall. the light goes from the flashlight to the wall then your eye. Is that distance, 186,000 miles?
The length of light would be it's wavelength. Which has nothing to with it's speed.
That is why half of earth is visible at daytime, that is why the moon is shinning at night. And glimmers of stars and galaxies can be seen…though outer space is pitched black.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
You really need to go for a walk.
Do you really not understand speed?
Measure out 10 meters. Walk it in 10 seconds. that is one meter per second.
Now walk it in 5 seconds. That is two meters per second.
Did the length change?
It only has to do with distance when you also give the time.
Or maybe get a flashlight. Shine at a wall. the light goes from the flashlight to the wall then your eye. Is that distance, 186,000 miles?
The length of light would be it's wavelength. Which has nothing to with it's speed.
QUOTE (jsaldea12+Oct 19 2009, 02:13 AM)
According to Carl Sagan, the visible universe has up to 100 billion galaxies, meaning the light of visible galaxies .that reach earth that become visible, though glimmer due to their distances. Nevertheless, you have a very good point, though Hubble telescope will tell you such galaxies are visible, meaning light is visible from its source and object it comesin contact with, though dimmer due to great distances of galaxies.
But if .light of all galaxies, stars, planets saturates brightly all of outer space, their combined, coordinating light would lighten up all outer space and earth all over.. But as it is, light is so ultra-thin and super-speed that it is invisible in its flight, that is why though there are trillions of lights from such suspended bodies in outer space, outer space is still invisible.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
So you take Carl Sagan's word about the number of galaxies, but not about the size of the universe?
Dumbass.
But if .light of all galaxies, stars, planets saturates brightly all of outer space, their combined, coordinating light would lighten up all outer space and earth all over.. But as it is, light is so ultra-thin and super-speed that it is invisible in its flight, that is why though there are trillions of lights from such suspended bodies in outer space, outer space is still invisible.
Regards.
Jsaldea12
10.20.09
So you take Carl Sagan's word about the number of galaxies, but not about the size of the universe?
Dumbass.
NASA Hubble telescope has improved the number of visible universe: 130 billion galaxies. Regards.
jsaldea12
10.21.09
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