The verse that Jesus uses often and repeatedly is, "The first generation shall be the last, and the last generation shall be first". (Jesus is talking about Heaven.) Some of the verses have, "...few will be chosen but many will be called". This parable (in my opinion) is similar to the research that has been done with light's photons and relativity. Of course heaven would have to be on Earth; I mean where else would it originate from? The first generation starts the process of creating heaven and heaven is not finished or completed until the last generation has achieved love peace and harmony for all, all the time and forever. (Daunting task)
Imagine trying to explain the inner workings of light and relativity with no foundation of vocabulary or mathematical science. Was Jesus' use of parables the best way of accomplishing this daunting task; Would there have been a better way to explain relativity knowing that the realization of relativity would not come for another two thousand years? Jesus often said, "I am the light" so maybe Jesus was explaining light rather than all of relativity?
I do know that this type of talk upsets Atheists and people that like to explain the New Testament with the Old Testament but if we could keep the insults to a minimum I would appreciate it.
I would imagine that it is difficult to reconcile the modern understanding of the universe with the total lack of scientific information in the Bible. I understand the need to find something, anything that could indicate that god tried to share scientific truth with his believers. As a result, you get interpretations that stretch the meaning of the text beyond any kind of rational extent. It would be quite impossible for someone to "discover" any scientific truth by studying those passages. In the same way, studying Nostradamus isn't going to give you foresight into future events.
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In the same way, studying Nostradamus isn't going to give you foresight into future events.
In fact, the only "predictions" Nostradamus got right were those he made retrospectively. (James Randi's book)
Anyway, you could read anything into the bible, particularly if you are a true believer, that is, those people who will believe no matter how compelling the evidence to the contrary. You, tazz3, are one of those and it won't make a scrap of difference what anyone says to you because your "mind" is fixed.
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In fact, the only "predictions" Nostradamus got right were those he made retrospectively. (James Randi's book)
Anyway, you could read anything into the bible, particularly if you are a true believer, that is, those people who will believe no matter how compelling the evidence to the contrary. You, tazz3, are one of those and it won't make a scrap of difference what anyone says to you because your "mind" is fixed.
Lol, I like how everyone calls Jesus "God" that is funny. But seriously There are some indications that relativity was breached how ever so slight in the time of Jesus simply with John the baptist first saying, that from these stones could God make descendants of Abraham. or something like that and of course the famous, "If every tongue were to hold there peace the rocks and stones would cry out". Jesus said as the High priests were saying the crowd was too loud as Jesus entered Jerusalem. If you don't see it I do not blame you for looking away.
Anyway, you could read anything into the bible, particularly if you are a true believer, that is, those people who will believe no matter how compelling the evidence to the contrary. You, tazz3, are one of those and it won't make a scrap of difference what anyone says to you because your "mind" is fixed.
Lol, I like how everyone calls Jesus "God" that is funny. But seriously There are some indications that relativity was breached how ever so slight in the time of Jesus simply with John the baptist first saying, that from these stones could God make descendants of Abraham. or something like that and of course the famous, "If every tongue were to hold there peace the rocks and stones would cry out". Jesus said as the High priests were saying the crowd was too loud as Jesus entered Jerusalem. If you don't see it I do not blame you for looking away.
"It would be quite impossible for someone to "discover" any scientific truth", now it may be true that many are well educated in modern science but I do believe that Jesus was a smart man and capable of thinking and reasoning along the same lines as any man.
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Anyway, you could read anything into the bible, particularly if you are a true believer, that is, those people who will believe no matter how compelling the evidence to the contrary.
I'm always shocked whenever I come into contact with someone who actually believes all the Creationist BS. I recently talked with someone I knew several years ago, and they proceeded to go from "Homosexuality is an abomination" to New World Order nonsense to "evidence" that the Earth is 6000 years old. He sent me an entire text document full of "proofs" to that effect. I effectively ripped apart every single one of those arguments and sent it back, but all this guy does is go to find more "arguments." Now he wants to send me some DVD his pastor made where he talks about "science." How can one person be so dumb? How do people go through life with zero critical thinking skills?
I'm always shocked whenever I come into contact with someone who actually believes all the Creationist BS. I recently talked with someone I knew several years ago, and they proceeded to go from "Homosexuality is an abomination" to New World Order nonsense to "evidence" that the Earth is 6000 years old. He sent me an entire text document full of "proofs" to that effect. I effectively ripped apart every single one of those arguments and sent it back, but all this guy does is go to find more "arguments." Now he wants to send me some DVD his pastor made where he talks about "science." How can one person be so dumb? How do people go through life with zero critical thinking skills?
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How do people go through life with zero critical thinking skills?
They don't need critical thinking skills to keep breathing, and for many people, breathing is as complicated as they get.
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They don't need critical thinking skills to keep breathing, and for many people, breathing is as complicated as they get.
I just can't imagine going through life judging claims based only on whether they fit my pre-existing conceptions. That's my idea of hell.
I just can't imagine going through life judging claims based only on whether they fit my pre-existing conceptions. That's my idea of hell.
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I just can't imagine going through life judging claims based only on whether they fit my pre-existing conceptions. That's my idea of hell.
Exactly, they are quoting each other as if I had a bartender’s mentality. I was talking of Parables nothing more but they assume I was talking of miracles or "God".
Exactly, they are quoting each other as if I had a bartender’s mentality. I was talking of Parables nothing more but they assume I was talking of miracles or "God".
LOL, You were talking about me...How funny; I thought you were talking about you but I did not realize you where the original post with the bartenders mentality. My bad.
QUOTE (tazz3+Aug 7 2012, 03:34 PM)
LOL, You were talking about me...How funny; I thought you were talking about you but I did not realize you where the original post with the bartenders mentality. My bad.
I wasn't talking about you.
I wasn't talking about you.
All religion sucks when compared to physics;- it's far more awesome, unfathomably deeper and doesn't require total brain removal to appreciate.
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All religion sucks when compared to physics;- it's far more awesome, unfathomably deeper and doesn't require total brain removal to appreciate.
Oh that quote made me horny . Full blown erection
Oh that quote made me horny . Full blown erection
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he verse that Jesus uses often and repeatedly is, "The first generation shall be the last, and the last generation shall be first". (Jesus is talking about Heaven.) Some of the verses have, "...few will be chosen but many will be called". This parable (in my opinion) is similar to the research that has been done with light's photons and relativity.
As a way to explain this, picture the automobile from the very first 19th century horseless carriage, to the present day automobile with blue tooth, GPS, computer technology, etc.
If we ordered these cars in terms of level of advancement, the last models become first (top of the pile) and the first models become last (simple and crude).
Jesus was talking about an evolutionary process of faith, where it begins very simple with many called, and then gets more complex. In the future, when we finally compare all the models, the final prototypes will be at the top of the list (few chosen). He describes a process, similar to the evolution of the soul.
The opposite alternative would have put the final or best prototype first, and the last prototype placed last. This would imply the best comes first, and then degrades from there. That is not what he wanted; "I am the best". Rather he wanted this time to be only the beginning of a living process, leading to something better.
The difference between the two approaches is like the differences between life and death. Death slowly decays life, after life reaches its peak. But when life is new and about to bloom, it gets better and better.
This evolving direction is part of the reason Christianity stayed fresh and adapted to the times; living waters. Things that are too strict (initial perfection) eventually start to age, wrinkle and crack. Unless you be as children; full of new life unfolding, you will be going the wrong way.
Exactly, now the Physics can be applied: Jesus was talking of Heaven and once the last generation working on creating heaven on earth is finished then all the past generations would have contributed to heaven. Of course the full definition of Heaven has yet to be determined but I would imagine the ultimate goal would to insure mankind's continuation. Once a guaranteed state of continuation is achieved then Earth could easily pull all it's resources of material and time for very lofty goals. Like Jesus said, "God, is a God of the living" or something close to that. Anyway, Once mankind establishes a state of forever for mankind then time for the dead is part of this forever and forever would give all a state of potential opportunities.
Now I begin to reach; If mankind lives forever and if all time is but a instant (in the realm of relativity) then the dead would live forever in that instant of forever. So Hell would be the failure to create forever and thus destroying all the potential that is inherent in relativity. So, it is Heaven or Hell not Heaven and Hell. Like I Said in a earlier post evil people are mostly caused by the product of a miss handled two year old and should be looked upon as a indicator of society's woes. A rapist can be considered evil but he is also and more importantly an indicator that society has a problem.
Back to forever: Given enough time mankind would eventually reach for the inconceivable task of creating a primordial soup of life out of our known galaxies until with the right amount of time and patience a new dimension of would be created out of a vast scale. Would a galaxies be considered a atom or would it be considered a neutrino? The energy needed to manipulate the cosmos is inconceivable today but far into the future of mankind could be as easy as starting a large generator. That is a Heaven I could forever live with.
Now I begin to reach; If mankind lives forever and if all time is but a instant (in the realm of relativity) then the dead would live forever in that instant of forever. So Hell would be the failure to create forever and thus destroying all the potential that is inherent in relativity. So, it is Heaven or Hell not Heaven and Hell. Like I Said in a earlier post evil people are mostly caused by the product of a miss handled two year old and should be looked upon as a indicator of society's woes. A rapist can be considered evil but he is also and more importantly an indicator that society has a problem.
Back to forever: Given enough time mankind would eventually reach for the inconceivable task of creating a primordial soup of life out of our known galaxies until with the right amount of time and patience a new dimension of would be created out of a vast scale. Would a galaxies be considered a atom or would it be considered a neutrino? The energy needed to manipulate the cosmos is inconceivable today but far into the future of mankind could be as easy as starting a large generator. That is a Heaven I could forever live with.
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