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Zarkov
Have you seen clouds like this recently ? ohmy.gif

The streaky or wispy clouds are ICE CLOUDS

see page
http://www.omegafour.com/forum2/viewtopic....&t=603&start=15

images at the bottom of page

Ice Clouds in Antarctica and Sydney....

I am doing a survey

Thanks


I will try and post images but system here seemed to fail

User posted image: User posted image
TheDoc
WACKO!
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 19 2008, 11:29 PM)
The streaky or wispy clouds are ICE CLOUDS

No, they aren't.

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I am doing a survey

No, you're not.

yor_on
Zarkow.

That thread you showed is a closed one from 2005?
Are you talking global warming / Icing???

The clouds i know as 'Ice clouds' are the Cirrostratus
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/c...ldtyp/home.rxml

Those depicted with the balloon?
Look here and compare.
http://www.pacificislandtravel.com/nature_...atmosphere2.gif

To me they looks more like Altocumulus ...
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/a...ldtyp/home.rxml
which can in some cases contain ice crystals too when temperatures are cold enough.

But that will depend on their geographical location.
For example Australia? Naah :)

what are you trying to prove?
Zarkov
Thanks

I will check thread links.... this forum is "strange" to me
checked... yes that forum is locked to keep "weidos" out LOL

The clouds have names, they are not "rare"
but they are becoming thicker and more widespread in the Southern hemisphere.

They belong to the Ice Cloud family, and they indicate very cold dry air.

I am just wondering what clouds are in your skies ?

I have taken a photo essay on their presence here over the last many months.

It does indicate something important to me.


HAVE YOU SEEN THESE CLOUDS.... Wanted Dead or Alive LOL
paul h
Zarkov,

>HAVE YOU SEEN THESE CLOUDS.... Wanted Dead or Alive LOL

If it will help you any,,, Yes I have seen clouds like the ones in the link you posted below here in Florida a few months ago. ( it was winter time)



User posted image: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8918/44465215wyushinmaruap20lr1.th.jpg


philip347
From what was purposely leaked out, I at least know one or two of these elements sprayed, I guess chem trails as they say.

One was a product said from a large chemical company, that produced a product that would absorb nineteen times its own weight, in moisture.
This would cause clouds to be formed over areas, that were supposed to be drought laiden and needed the moisture by rain clouds.

The second one, as released on one of the unusual subjects talk shows, was said to be barium.
Why barium would be important, is that it would act as a radiation block, in the event of a mass radiation does from outside of Earth.

I do know as of late, that both WR-104 and Eta Carinea, if detonated, would cause considerable damage to Earth, if beams from the rocket like blow-off compression, would strike Earth.
The only problem vested here, is that the strength of these beams from supernova, would be such that they more than likely would charge straight through this thin layer of boron and still do substantial damage.

Other items said dropped from planes, have been bacterias and said nano crystals, but have not seen the said verification on these said items.
Zarkov
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( it was winter time)


thanks..... yes I have seen them in TV footage (in the sky) behind some reports on other things...

I would have expected them to be seen in summer, but your winter at that time must have been quite dry.

this is an ongoing survey, so keep looking up

Often they are hidden by "lower condensation clouds"

so look high... often they are invisible (ice transmits light) but if that is the case they can be seen towards sunset if they are present...

The most important aspect is how persistent are they day to day
and IYO are they increasing in area and thickness.....

adoucette
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 20 2008, 07:32 PM)
The most important aspect is how persistent are they day to day
and IYO are they increasing in area and thickness.....

This is more complex than you imagine..... easy, but it involves a lot of theory/formulations I am not willing to be made public.

Arthur
paul h
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 20 2008, 09:21 PM)
This is more complex than you imagine..... easy, but it involves a lot of theory/formulations I am not willing to be made public.

Arthur

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Zarkov
Unfortunately some posters do not understand how silly they are


This is a serious matter and it is in YOUR interests

Ice Clouds... please look up

It is important that some sort of a record of these atmospheric structures are kept

I would like to hear of any reports.
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TheDoc
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
Unfortunately some posters do not understand how silly they are


Hypocritical or ironic?

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This is a serious matter and it is in YOUR interests


No, it isn't.

QUOTE (->
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This is a serious matter and it is in YOUR interests


No, it isn't.

Ice Clouds... please look up


All I see when I look up is a blue sky.

BUT WAIT! LOOK, UP THERE! IT'S AN ICE CLOUD!....

...Oops, nevermind. It's just a cumulus.

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I would like to hear of any reports.


I've heard reports of extreme insanity, if you're interested.
Zarkov
Thanks DuzmA

The Noctilucent Ice clouds exist high, almost at the fringes of space.

Yes please report these as well... you will only see these at night.

Sometimes the night sky will be iridescent metallic blue... this is also due to Ice Clouds... at somewhat lower altitudes

but the low level Ice Clouds, and there are several in the family, are what most people will see. As time goes on this family will become prolific, thick and expansive.

They reflect IR back to Earth, they reflect incoming solar EMR back to space.... they represent very very dry air.

PLEASE look up and report smile.gif

Photos if possible.
TheDoc
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
Yes please report these as well... you will only see these at night.


*looks up at night sky*

Oh look everybody! The iridescent ice clouds are coming! Ooooh!...

...Oops, that was just a helicopter. Sorry.

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PLEASE look up and report


Hmm. Okay I'll look up again. Okay. And what do I see?

NOTHING!
Zarkov
The night shinning Noctilucent clouds.... are very high up Ice Clouds.... famous and once quite rare.... They glow from the rays of a long set sun...
however during the day they are invisible

Even lower level Ice Clouds are often invisible during the day

however many of the Ice Cloud family are visible during the day.

They are quite beautiful... wispy, swirls or often filamentous.. forming into threads often with a specific parallel orientation

On some days the whole sky could be just white... not gray as normal condensation clouds are, but a bright and glaring white, all due to Ice Clouds... a total white out

Ice Clouds seldom bring rain. They indicate a very dry atmosphere.

They represent an ocean above our heads !!!!

NOTE:

This science forum as do all net-science forums has its resident idiots... spoilers,,, very selfish insecure people... poor things.

see my ignore list... if you value this facility, please ignore them as well... just skip over any posts they make.. those posts are never worth reading and will only bring pity and may depress you.
adoucette
National Overview

Based on the Palmer Drought Index, severe to extreme drought affected about 9 percent of the contiguous United States as of the end of February 2008, a decrease of about 1 percent compared to last month. By contrast, about 9 percent of the contiguous U.S. fell in the severely to extremely wet categories.
About 19 percent of the contiguous U.S. fell in the moderate to extreme drought categories (based on the Palmer Drought Index) at the end of February.

On a broad scale, the previous two decades (1980s and 1990s) were characterized by unusual wetness with short periods of extensive droughts, whereas the 1930s and 1950s were characterized by prolonged periods of extensive droughts with little wetness (moderate to extreme drought graphic, severe to extreme drought graphic).

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...us-drought.html

As for the globe:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/resea...2-200802-pg.gif

Arthur
Zarkov
Thanks Adoucette

It is comforting to see some areas have received some rain recently.

Tracking weather is OK... long term trends are more important.

The global climate will oscillate... but its final destination is what concerns many people.
adoucette
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 24 2008, 05:55 PM)
Thanks Adoucette

It is comforting to see some areas have received some rain recently.

Tracking weather is OK... long term trends are more important.

The global climate will oscillate... but its final destination is what concerns many people.

This is from the NOAA CLIMATE center

Note the length of time, when talking about MULTI-DECADAL time frames, one is discussing CLIMATE, not WEATHER:

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On a broad scale, the previous two decades (1980s and 1990s) were characterized by unusual wetness with short periods of extensive droughts, whereas the 1930s and 1950s were characterized by prolonged periods of extensive droughts with little wetness.


So as the climate has slowly WARMED over the latter part of the 20th century the GLOBE has generally gotten WETTER, not DRIER.

Arthur


Zarkov
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So as the climate has slowly WARMED over the latter part of the 20th century the GLOBE has generally gotten WETTER, not DRIER.


Oh, confusion rains.....

yes in the Northern Hemisphere there has been some expected activity... due to ice melt

my take OK.

The Southern Hemisphere, no ice melt shows quite a different story...

This tale isn't finished.

The data from the NASA Aqua satellite does not agree with your assertions.
TheDoc
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
The data from the NASA Aqua satellite does not agree with your assertions.


Prove it. Link to a source.
adoucette
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 24 2008, 06:49 PM)

Oh, confusion rains.....

yes in the Northern Hemisphere there has been some expected activity... due to ice melt

my take OK.

The Southern Hemisphere, no ice melt shows quite a different story...

This tale isn't finished.

The data from the NASA Aqua satellite does not agree with your assertions.

Nope.

The amount of ice that melts in the NH each summer is between 8 and 11 million sq km.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IM...current.365.jpg

The amount of ice that melts in the SH each summer is between 12 to 14 million sq km.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IM...t.365.south.jpg

So even in a year when the maximum amount of ice melts in the NH and the least amount melts in the SH, the SH still exceeds the NH by ~ 1 MILLION sq km of ice melting.

Typically though, the difference is much greater as the SH runs an average of ~ 3 million more sq km of ice melt per year then the NH.

As to Aqua, I've seen no data to support your assertions of a drying world.

If you have links to said data or reports then post them.

Dr Roy Spencer, in some recent talks about Aqua data has reportedly pointed out that the Climate Model predictions of an INCREASED amount of water vapor due to GHG accumulation did not appear to be the case, but this lack of INCREASE in atmospheric water vapor is not the same as DRYING, as you seem to be implying.

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Data from NASA’s Aqua Satellite, which was only launched in 2002, shows that water vapour and high altitude cloud cover don’t necessarily increase when there is warming. Rather weather processes limit the total greenhouse effect in proportion to available sunlight. This can happen in a variety of ways through the hydrological cycle, for example low level clouds release water vapour from the atmosphere when it rains.

The new data from the Aqua Satellite was probably the most important issue discussed at the recent ‘2008 International Conference on Climate Change’. The new findings were part of a presentation by Roy Spencer who leads the team analysing all the data from NASA’s Aqua Satellite.


Arthur

Zarkov
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this lack of INCREASE in atmospheric water vapor is not the same as DRYING, as you seem to be implying.


yes it is far more complex... the rise of the Ice Clouds negate your assertions.

But the world's climate is very complex.. and a complete discussion on it would break this forum.

Just lets say... I totally disagree.


Re ice melt in the Southern Hemisphere... mainly directly into the sea and under the oil membrane.

Not quite the same thing as "wetting the land" and being exposed to a hot land surface

Best just let time sort it out... LOL

but Earth has not got much time left.....right!

adoucette
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 24 2008, 10:24 PM)
yes it is far more complex... the rise of the Ice Clouds negate your assertions.

But the world's climate is very complex.. and a complete discussion on it would break this forum.

Just lets say... I totally disagree.


Translation from Zarkovian:

"I have nothing to actually back up my arguments or support my position"


Arthur

N O M
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM)
Translation from Zarkovian:

"I have nothing to actually back up my arguments or support my position"

Do you think Zerkoff is sane enough to realise just how stupid he appears by doing this?
paul h
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 25 2008, 03:26 PM)
Do you think Zerkoff is sane enough to realise just how stupid he appears by doing this?

Yes I do.
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Zarkov
Just wondering

any Ice Clouds in your skies ?
Moomin
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 30 2008, 04:47 AM)
Just wondering

any Ice Clouds in your skies ?

Hope the FM ICBM is in yours.


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Zarkov
Ice Cloud density is increasing in this part of the world.

Day and night temperatures are now plummeting... up to 7C below normal

Polar Stratospheric Clouds (pretty Ice Clouds)
see
http://images.livescience.com/images/080424-ps-clouds-02.jpg

I was watching the old movie "Easy Rider"

this is set is some dry part of the USA, maybe Nevada desert

to my joy in the backdrop of many scenes were Ice Clouds
exactly as this area of the world is now experiencing...

DRY DRY..... dry

Even the TV news footage from many areas of the world have Ice Clouds in the background sky

Seems recently there is a lot of talk of Ice Ages ....... well the Ice age that is coming is not here yet, but after the food runs out, and war is afoot, then y'all had better stock up on fur coats LOL

might as well not bother... there is no way out of this.

Zarkov
nice Ice Cloud in the UK

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4447..._jodrell203.jpg
barakn
QUOTE (Zarkov+Apr 30 2008, 04:15 AM)
nice Ice Cloud in the UK

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4447..._jodrell203.jpg

What makes you think those are ice clouds?
StevenA
Snow in Baghdad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU2VYmh5BPM

This hasn't happened in at least 100 years (I did some searching and didn't find any information regarding when it did snow in Baghdad last but it appears most everything agrees that it hasn't snowed there in over a century).
Zarkov
QUOTE
What makes you think those are ice clouds?


Their cellular structure

I have been observing them grow in area and thickness

Today in Tasmania the Ice Clouds are so thick that mid autum the weather is mid winter.

I look forward to observing just what winter will bring

even in Queensland... sub tropical

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
What makes you think those are ice clouds?


Their cellular structure

I have been observing them grow in area and thickness

Today in Tasmania the Ice Clouds are so thick that mid autum the weather is mid winter.

I look forward to observing just what winter will bring

even in Queensland... sub tropical

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/30/2231108.htm

>>  At Applethorpe on Queensland's Granite Belt, the temperature got down to -2 degrees Celsius this morning.  The weather bureau's Craig Mitchell says many centres are up to 11 degrees below average.

"Warwick was once again relatively cool, not as cold as yesterday at this time - 0.8, Dalby 1.5, St George 1.1 and Roma 0.5 - so those centres would be looking at a little bit of frost around the general area," he said.  >>


unprecedented.
barakn
QUOTE (Zarkov+Apr 30 2008, 08:57 AM)

Their cellular structure

I have been observing them grow in area and thickness

Today in Tasmania the Ice Clouds are so thick that mid autum the weather is mid winter.

I look forward to observing just what winter will bring

even in Queensland... sub tropical



unprecedented.

ohmy.gif laugh.gif
The cellular structure doesn't tell you anything about the phase of the water in the clouds. rolleyes.gif

Some people.
Zarkov
QUOTE
The cellular structure doesn't tell you anything about the phase of the water in the clouds.


Oh indeed it does.

Ice crystals have a much higher and localised electric charge

Condensation clouds have a filamentous structure due to H bonding.

They are entirely different in the micro and macro structures they form in the sky.
Zarkov
Ice Clouds over mainland Australia

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/business...rss&oref=slogin

the very high clouds are Ice Clouds
the lower fluffy clouds are condensation clouds
the condensation clouds come and go,,, no rain
the Ice Clouds remain

QUOTE
six long years of drought have taken a toll, reducing Australia’s rice crop by 98 percent


at above site a slide show

Ice Clouds and no clouds... "The Death of Clouds"
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/04/1...ide2_index.html

The prolonged "no cloud or clear sky" phenomenon is giving way to a proliferation of Ice Clouds.... and in lower latitudes these ice Clouds are getting thicker and more widespread.... at times now covering the sky in white.... reflecting (increasing earth's Albedo ) from the tops and bouncing IR from their bottoms.
TheDoc
Edit.
Zarkov
nice Ice Clouds over Mexico...

http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/CPS...ult-245x159.jpg

see article

http://physorg.com/news130942607.html which basically says nothing.

BUT the ICE CLouds are being noticed

In Tasmania some night temperatures -8C (near sea level) are breaking records.

The Ice Clouds cover the sky shielding sunshine.... bleak.

Have you seen Ice CLouds in your area ????

Zarkov
http://www.physorg.com/news135517638.html

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Scientists have created an instrument designed to help determine the shapes and sizes of tiny ice crystals typical of those found in high-altitude clouds, down to the micron level (comparable to the tiniest cells in the human body), according to a new study in Optics Letters, a journal published by the Optical Society. The data produced using this instrument likely will help improve computer models used to predict climate change.

Among the hundreds of factors climate scientists must take into account in modeling weather, the nature of clouds is one of the most important and least understood. The best researchers could do in the past to measure cloud ice crystals was to try to record images of them, but for crystals below 25 microns, the images were too blurred to allow accurate determination of the crystal's shape.

Researchers need to know the shape and sizes of these ice crystals because these properties influence how much incoming sunlight gets absorbed in the atmosphere and how much gets reflected right back out into space. This, in turn, can have a huge impact on the magnitude of possible global warming or cooling.

Now scientists from the University of Hertfordshire and the University of Manchester in the United Kingdom and Colorado State University in the United States have developed an optical scattering instrument that can evaluate the size of the crystals in a different way. Using this instrument, the researchers have been able to determine sizes and shapes of cloud ice crystals all the way down to the tiniest micron levels.

"The new instruments should help map out a more complete understanding of complex crystal shapes found in atmospheric clouds, especially cirrus clouds, which on any day can cover more than 20 percent of the Earth's surface," says one of the researchers, Hertfordshire scientist Paul Kaye. "We believe that this optical scattering instrument could help climate modelers reduce one of the greatest areas of uncertainty in interpreting the influence of clouds and in making more accurate climate predictions."

In addition, recent reports have examined the effect that pollution and the clouds caused by pollution have on reducing solar radiation reaching the ground, a development that may counterbalance global warming to some extent, and this new technology could help scientists better monitor and understand this situation.

Source: Optical Society of America 


Good to read... ICE CLOUDS are THE most important atmospheric development that will alter the Earth's climate.... into an ICE AGE

The oceans are the drivers, while the ICE CLOUDS will deliver the goods.

Zarkov
I don't hear much about the drought in the USA....

but it seems a lot of that country is almost as severely affected by drought as is mainland Australia.......

Anyone out there got any relevant information to update the documentation of the demise of this world that I am compiling.

But I suppose most of the forumites here think water comes out of a tap.
magpies
Why are you documenting the demise of the world when you could be documenting its survival?
Zarkov
I am doing both
FGG
QUOTE (Zarkov+Jul 18 2008, 09:00 AM)
I don't hear much about the drought in the USA....

but it seems a lot of that country is almost as severely affected by drought as is mainland Australia.......

Anyone out there got any relevant information to update the documentation of the demise of this world that I am compiling.

But I suppose most of the forumites here think water comes out of a tap.

What a complete freak'n maroon!

FGG
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