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professor andy
Ok people, lets get to the bottom of it.

I wanna hear ideas for warping space! I have the idea of propelling a vehicle by "screwing" it thought space, like a nut and bolt.

But how can we make a reaction force between it and space..?
JavaTool
If you need ideas, Star Trek would be a good starting point. laugh.gif As for some other possibilities, I don't know, something with tachyons or mini black holes? Psshhhh....
professor andy
I did see a chap on TV, he used high powered lasers to warp space.
intehnet
QUOTE (professor andy+Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM)
I did see a chap on TV, he used high powered lasers to warp space.

How so?
professor andy
He had loads of them arranged so as it made like a tight spiral. They crossed very closely, and he could send particles back in time. Or was it forward? Anyway, he was presumable warping space.
professor andy
perhaps it was the same beam reflected down it
Guest_mark
Professor Andy,

You must know about the piezoelectric and pyroelectric effects of crystal? In Star Trek, they called it Dilythium.

If you polarize the crystal with either heat or an electromagnetic field or both then this will produce kinetic energy or propulsion on the other corner of the crystal.

According to the wave compontent of the equation f=wavelength/speed of light then to travel at the speed of light one must product an electromagnetic field of around 60Thz range.

Recent experiments in Quantum Entanglement and Cold Nuclear Fusion are leading upto the possibility of travel in space.

We are soooo ready for this!

For more on the concept contact me at:

markkruger666@hotmail.com
Good Elf
Hi professor andy,

If you want to warp space you first need a theory about what space really is. Standard gravitational space warps will cost "heaps" of energy .... there are no power sources capable of warping spacetime on a large scale available... probably never.

To travel "great distances"you want a shortcut that naturally exists. That is why you need the theory first.

If you just want to "crawl" around space you might use a number of possible technologies already existing on a benchtop. To "really" travel.... quantum physics already has ways to tunnel through "space" to any place. All you need is to be able to specify the place. Bingo... you need a new theory of quantum physics because the present one will not allow that "choice".

You then have the choice...

1. Bang your head on a wall while yelling "Why... why... why!"... forever
or
2. Come up with the goods. biggrin.gif

Cheers

yquantum
tea time so I will make it fast.

Hi professor andy,

Just another view, like many has said on this site, some to be funny and others just as a note of concern, but I believe all with respect.

You could approach the problem with the tools at hand.

I have never given it consideration because of our current technology, and if the technology is available, the majority just does not know it. [Some hanger in the desert]. Eh!

What do you see with your intellect that is out in the four percent of the universe we know about in space that could be used to give you the energy needed? Not a ludicrous question, just a thought.

If you know of some research that has been done I can think of some ideas on the table but I have no right to say, but is it possible to tap into an idea and use it. pa, interesting question and I would like to see what you might come up with. It seems important to you and that is good enough.

I know there is much to learn, and I believe every question needs some answer like in, it is impossible, is there another way to solve this problem, or I will find a yes or no, and not stop until.

I like to tackle questions with that kind of mindset.

Best of luck!

Ciao_,
yquantum
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professor andy
QUOTE

f=wavelength/speed


this should read f = velocity / wavelength

And I wasn't talking about going at "warp speed". The way i seen that this guys experiment was happening was..

light can be treated as a wave that disturbs the ether. And when these waves are added in a certain way, they make the ether into a funnel. Like water down the plug hole, but in 3D. And small particles like protons can be sucked down it.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE

f=wavelength/speed


this should read f = velocity / wavelength

And I wasn't talking about going at "warp speed". The way i seen that this guys experiment was happening was..

light can be treated as a wave that disturbs the ether. And when these waves are added in a certain way, they make the ether into a funnel. Like water down the plug hole, but in 3D. And small particles like protons can be sucked down it.


light can be treated as a wave that disturbs the ether


(our eyes interprit a certain disturbance in the ether as light.)

But alas, I'm not sure if "ether" is an old theory that has been abandoned. I herd someone say it didn't work, but thats all the fun of wave/particle duality..
Hunnter
Professor Andy i also saw this thing on TV as well.
It was very interesting.

What it was is laser grids, 4 of them at right angles, and as you increase the grids, they were turned at an angle (probably calculated or something) and the length of the square grid got shorter.
And he believed that if you were to make the lasers intense enough, it would be able to bend space in a way as to bend it in to a funnel like shape.
I think it was meant to make things go back in time, so in theory, if you were to make a schedule that wouldnt change no matter what, you set it up to send an object back to a certain time (probably require ALOT of trial and error) then when it was meant to be sent back, wait, if it didnt, try again until you do, then you have some way of gauging the time line etc...
Another important part of this theory was that this machine had to exist in order to send things back to the past, so you couldnt go back to see the dinosaurs or back to see the the Wall of China being built, it would only send back to the time the machine was built..which was the limiting factor.

I personally like your idea of the 'screwing' through time, i think this was an idea on a film awhile back as well.
But the only bad thing about this would be the extremely high G-forces, they would probably crush you into the walls of the ship, some way is needed to 'lock' the inside of the ship out of space-time, like a cage, a seperate bubble in space.
I had a theory once about maybe one day if they can develop some readily available artificial gravity field, to arrange it in a cube, with the gravity facing out, which in theory if its strong enough, could lock out gravity coming from everywhere around you.
But theres still the problem if the ship were to all of a sudden hit light speed, you will go splat into the back wall..so theres still many things that need to be ironed out.

wow i love the bathroom, it really lets me think!
I was just at the bathroom there, and well i thought some more, and it hit me!
I mentioned the laser thing first, then i mentioned the screw-like space ship...
See what im seeing...
Have some form of this laser device on the space ship to create this 'funnel' through space, the energy requirements would be staggering, but it would still work in theory...

Whatever happens, im sure we will figure something out within the next 3 centuries or so.

(I think i might go register here, this place seems really cool and i feel i could really talk about some of my ideas and theories about stuff)

-Hunnter-
professor andy
really opens the door to the jokes..

"I screwed all the way to mars!"
DD3
Hey, waz up andy! Yeah, uh, let me introduce myself. I'm an inventor/writer/engineer/musician/etc. so i've been around the whole warping space idea block before. i have been thinking, working, and researching my but off for the past couple weeks and now(dramatic pause) i have finally discovered the fruit of my labor. I now have a proven and tested theory that i think you guys will enjoy.
All right, let's start from the very beginning and i will try to make this as small, short, and simple as possible. i shall get very basic and explain most stuff along the way( code name detour). First VERY important thing is this , i have created a formula that basically has a plate (not telling you guys what it is made of!)that absorbs all it's energy from the normal kind that surrounds us, turns it into electricity, and then uses another formula to turn all that electricity into a gravity field. Here's the cool thing, i have made modifications to it until i was able to only do that process once and the gravity plates work forever and be able to be turned on and off therefore being able to stop them and to control direction huh.gif (all shall be explained in good time, hold your questions till the end). Why is this so important?(detour)Einstein's formula states very clearly that if your speed approaches infinity, so does your mass because of relativity. so, you would need an infinite amount of propulsion to reach the speed of light, therefore you have to generate more propulsion than your mass, which is approaching infinity. You have to have to have something that has more out put than input. Ladies and gentlemen, they have two words for that, perpetual motion. Supposedly impossible? i think not...(Detour back)
Well, because of the design of the machine. i shall now describe it(it might even help to draw it to it to be able to visualize it better). Imagine a normal cylinder sitting on it's end. now, take from both sides a cone just large enough to reach to the middle and create a little hole with the two cones. now, smooth out the sharp edges and make the sides of the cylinder kind of bulge so as to make it a rounder shape. now, let's go back to the the gravity plates for a sec. they attract all matter in the vincity to he gravity plates. Now to keep them from crushing themselves because of their own weight, they move along the outer side of the machine at extremely high speeds.(detour) this is a very important detour. what happens to the matter around the plates that is being flung around? Well, it is a concentrated flinging. Explanation:1 It takes all the matter around and it brings it to it 2 puts it through funnel in machine by pressurizing matter extremely much blink.gif 3 shoots the extremely hot pressurized material out the other side moving the machine forward and keeping the plates going on all the faster. eventually(quite soon) it is going faster than the speed of light and i don't feel it at all! cool.gif Because, I'm technically not moving at all, every thing else is moving around me! So, i could go WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY faster than the speed of light and it not affect me negatively in any way. And they said you couldn't go to the next galaxy and back and live through it. tongue.gif
Now did you enjoy the lesson? any questions? just post your questions on here.
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AlexG
Why can unregistered cranks post here? If we're going to be subjected to this kind of rubbish, at least the poster should be made to register.
Alaxir Zoa
Dude i totally have to agree with you on that one. i mean, if you are coming on here just to give everybody a hard time being a stink bomb, might as well not be here. Every body will be a lot better off. Then again, if you have something useful to report, do it but without unfortunate incidences if you know what i mean. Please and thank you. biggrin.gif Now back to the real stuff. Anybody else got really cool ideas?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (DD3+Jul 27 2009, 12:50 PM)
Hey, waz up andy! Yeah, uh, let me introduce myself. I'm an inventor/writer/engineer/musician/etc. so i've been around the whole warping space idea block before. i have been thinking, working, and researching my but off for the past couple weeks and now(dramatic pause) i have finally discovered the fruit of my labor. I now have a proven and tested theory that i think you guys will enjoy.

This is the dumbest post I've read today. Congrats.
lzurha
why cant ships be fueled with hopes an dreams?
Alaxir Zoa
mad.gif Wait, wait, wait. I was DD3! That wasn't very nice!!
AlexG
QUOTE (Alaxir Zoa+Jul 28 2009, 07:37 AM)
mad.gif Wait, wait, wait. I was DD3! That wasn't very nice!!

Truth hurts sometimes.
Alaxir Zoa
And that is supposed to mean what exactly?
QUOTE
non-scientists are easily gulled by fake science.

Are you jealous that someone younger than you has made an advancement to science that people with a much greater range of ideas and information couldn't even imagine because THEY GAVE UP ON IT A LONG TIME AGO?
Even that doesn't seem like much of a reason though.
Maybe you just don't have hopes and dreams or no, could it be possible?
YOU GAVE UP ON THEM A LONG TIME AGO.
ph34r.gif See the truth, now do you?
No, of course not! You vehemently oppose it. And why not?
Well if you do, act like it for once, and don't pick on the underdog just to make yourself feel better.


Hey, prof Andy, there is also the ride a wave of space idea, and of course, the "Wrinkle in Time" idea which as a matter of fact, is very popular and well know. The SciFi "Dune" uses this idea to power the Holtzman(I don't know if I spelled that right)engines which basically do the same thing.
AlexG
QUOTE
Maybe you just don't have hopes and dreams or no, could it be possible?
YOU GAVE UP ON THEM A LONG TIME AGO.
See the truth, now do you?
No, of course not! You vehemently oppose it. And why not?
Well if you do, act like it for once, and don't pick on the underdog just to make yourself feel better.


This forum isn't about your hopes, dreams or imaginings. It's about the way the physical universe really operates. No one is here to tell you that you're a special snowflake. Learn physics, then get creative.

Alaxir Zoa
But what started it?
WHAT STARTED SCIENCE?
Someone with hopes and dreams.
Would Einstien have ever figured out relativity if he gave up like you?
Would Ben have ever made the light bulb?
Would Volta ever have created the battery?
Would Meucci have ever invented the phone?
The Wright bros the working plane?
Would Alan Turing have ever come up with the idea of the computer?
Would Edison have ever made the radio?
Would Onesime the cure for smallpox?
O.Dorsey the door knob and door stop?
Would Fredrick M. Jones AC?
Clothes dryer G.T. Sampson?
Cell phones Henry T. Sampson?
Lawn mower L.A. Burr?
What about George Washington Carver with peanut butter?
Would Edmond Berger the spark plug?
T.A Carrington with the stove?
J.Standard the fridge?
Garrett Morgan the traffic light?
W.B Purvis the fountain pen?
T. Marshall the fire extinguisher?
Alexander Miles the elevator?
Lawrence P. Ray the dust pan?
Lydia O. Newman the hair brush?
George Crum the potato chip?
Burridge & Marshman the type writer?
Richard Spikes automatic gear shift?
Sarah Boone the ironing board?
Granville T. Woods the phone transmittor?
C.O. Bailiff the shampoo headrest?
Fredrick M. Jones thermostat control?
W.H. Richardson strollers?
Alaxander Fleming penicillin?
Henri Laborit chlorpromazine?
Barnett Rosenberg cisplatin?
Humphry Davy anesthetic nitrous oxide?
Bioelectricity, by Luigi Galvani?
Neural control of blood vessels, by Claude Bernard?
Anaphylaxis, by Charles Richet?
The mydriatic effects of belladonna extracts, by Friedrich Ferdinand Runge?
Infrared radiation, by William Herschel?
Electromagnetism, by Hans Christian Oersted?
Radioactivity, by Henri Becquerel?
X rays, by Wilhelm Roentgen?
S. N. Bose Bose-Einstein statistics?
Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, by Arno A. Penzias and Robert Woodrow Wilson?
High-temperature superconductivity by physicists Johannes Georg Bednorz and Karl Alexander Müller?
Vulcanization of rubber, by Charles Goodyear?
Safety glass, by French scientist Edouard Benedictus?
The microwave oven by Percy Spencer?
Pyroceramic (used to make Corningware, among other things)by S. Donald Stookey?
The Slinky by US Navy engineer Richard T. James?
Art Fry Post-It Notes?
Chocolate chip cookies by Ruth Wakefield?
Isaac Newton the nature of gravitation?
Friedrich August Kekulé von Stradonitz cyclic compounds, such as benzene?
Archimedes water displacement?
Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (or LSD) by Albert Hofmann?
Gelignite by Alfred Nobel?
Polymethylene by Hans von Pechmann?
Low density polyethylene by Eric Fawcett and Reginald Gibson?
Silly Putty by James Wright?
Chemical synthesis of urea, by Friedrich Woehler?
Pittacal, the first synthetic dyestuff, by Carl Ludwig Reichenbach?
Mauve, the first aniline dye, by William Henry Perkin?
Racemization, by Louis Pasteur?
Teflon, by Roy J. Plunkett?
Cyanoacrylate-based Superglue (a.k.a. Krazy Glue) by Dr. Harry Coover?
Scotchgard moisture repellant, used to protect fabrics and leather, by Patsy Sherman?
Cellophane, a thin, transparent sheet made of regenerated cellulose, by Swiss chemist Jacques Brandenberger?
Helium by british chemist William Ramsay?
Iodine by Bernard Courtois?
The synthetic polymer celluloid by British chemist and metallurgist Alexander Parkes?
Rayon, the first synthetic silk, by French chemist Hilaire de Chardonnet?
Acesulfame, an artificial sweetener, by Karl Claus?
Aspartame (NutraSweet) by G.D. Searle chemist James Schlatter?
Saran (plastic) by Ralph Wiley?

I shall now do an enormous list of a couple I left out that I feel should be mentioned. smile.gif I shall also list the year and the country if possible. Remember, I got all of these of the top of my head, but double checked them afterwards. Enjoy?


aerosol can, 1926, Erik Rotheim, Norway
air conditioning, 1902, Willis Haviland Carrier, US
airbag, automotive, 1952, John Hetrick, US
airplane, engine-powered, 1903, Wilbur & Orville Wright, US
airship, 1852, Henri Giffard, France
alphabet, c. 1700–1500 BC, Semitic-speaking peoples eastern coast of Mediterranean Sea
American Sign Language, 1817, Thomas H. Gallaudet, US
animation, motion-picture, 1906, J. Stuart Blackton, US
answering machine, telephone, 1898, Valdemar Poulsen, Denmark
aspartame, 1965, James Schlatter, US
aspirin, 1897, Felix Hoffmann (Bayer), Germany
assembly line, 1913, Henry Ford, US
astrolabe, c. 2nd century — —
AstroTurf, 1965, James M. Faria, Robert T. Wright, US
audiotape, 1928, Fritz Pfleumer, Germany
automated teller machine (ATM), 1968, Don Wetzel, US
automobile, 1889, Gottlieb Daimler, Germany
baby food, prepared, 1927, Dorothy Gerber, US
bag, flat-bottomed paper, 1870, Margaret Knight, US
Bakelite, 1907, Leo Hendrik Baekeland, US
ball bearing, 1794, Philip Vaughan, England
balloon, hot-air, 1783, Joseph & Étienne Montgolfier, France
bandage, adhesive, 1921, Earle Dickson, US
bar code, 1952, Joseph Woodland, US
barbed wire, 1874, Joseph Glidden, US
barometer, 1643, Evangelista Torricelli, Italy
battery, electric storage, 1800, Alessandro Volta, Italy
beer, before 6000 BC Sumerians, Babylonians Mesopotamia
bicycle, 1818, Baron Karl de Drais de Sauerbrun, Germany
bifocal lens, 1784, Benjamin Franklin, US
bikini, 1946, Louis Réard, France
blood bank ,late 1930s, Charles Richard Drew, US
blow-dryer, 1920, Racine Universal Motor Co., Hamilton Beach Manufacturing Co. ,US
bomb, atomic, 1945, J. Robert Oppenheimer, et al., US
bomb, thermonuclear (hydrogen), 1952, Edward Teller, et al., US
boomerang, c. 15,000 years ago, Aboriginal peoples Australia
Braille system, 1824, Louis Braille, France
brassiere (bra), 1913, Mary Phelps Jacob, US
bread, sliced (bread-slicing machine), 1928, Otto Frederick Rohwedder, US
button, c. 700 BC, Greeks, Etruscans Greece, Italy
buttonhole, 13th century — ,Europe
calculator, electronic hand-held, 1967, Jack S. Kilby, US
calculus, 1680s, Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (invented separately), England and Germany (respectively)
calendar, modern (Gregorian), 1582 ,Pope Gregory XIII, Italy
camcorder, 1982, Sony Corp. ,Japan
camera, motion picture, 1891, Thomas Alva Edison, William K.L. Dickson, US
camera, portable photographic, 1888, George Eastman, US
can, metal beverage, 1933, American Can Co., US
can opener, 1858, Ezra J. Warner, US
candle, c. 3000 BC, — Egypt, Crete
canning, food, 1809, Nicolas Appert, France
carbon-14 dating, 1946, Willard F. Libby, US
cardboard, corrugated, 1871, Albert Jones, US
cards, playing, c. 10th century, — China
cash register, 1879, James Ritty, US
cat litter, 1947, Edward Lowe, US
catalog, mail-order, 1872, Aaron Montgomery Ward, US
cellophane, 1911, Jacques E. Brandenberger, Switzerland
celluloid, 1869, John Wesley Hyatt, US
cement, portland, 1824, Joseph Aspdin, England
cereal flakes, breakfast, 1894, John Harvey Kellogg, US
chewing gum (modern), c. 1870, Thomas Adams, US
chocolate, c. 3rd–10th century, Maya, Aztecs Central America, Mexico
chronometer, 1762, John Harrison, England
clock, pendulum, 1656, Christiaan Huygens, The Netherlands
clock, quartz, 1927, Warren A. Marrison, Canada/US
cloning, animal, 1970, John B. Gurdon, UK
coffee, drip, 1908, Melitta Bentz, Germany
coffee, decaffeinated, 1905, Ludwig Roselius, Germany
coins, c. 650 BC, Lydians, Turkey
compact disc (CD), 1980, Philips Electronics, Sony Corp., The Netherlands, Japan
compass, magnetic, c. 12th century ,— China, Europe
computed tomography (CT scan, CAT scan), 1972, Godfrey Hounsfield, Allan Cormack ,UK, US
computer, electronic digital, 1939, John V. Atanasoff, Clifford E. Berry, US
computer, laptop, 1983, Radio Shack Corp., US
computer, personal, 1974, MITS (Micro Instrumentation Telemetry Systems), US
concrete, reinforced, 1867, Joseph Monier, France
condom, latex, c. 1930 ,— —
contact lenses ,1887, Adolf Fick ,Germany
contraceptives, oral, early 1950s, Gregory Pincus, John Rock, Min Chueh Chang ,US
corn, hybrid, 1917, Donald F. Jones, US
correction fluid, white, 1951, Bette Nesmith, US
cotton gin, 1793, Eli Whitney, US
coupon, grocery, 1894, Asa Candler, US
crayons, children's wax, 1903, Edwin Binney, C. Harold Smith, US
cream separator (dairy processing), 1878, Carl Gustaf Patrik de Laval, Sweden
credit card, 1950, Frank McNamara, Ralph Schneider (Diners' Club), US
crossword puzzles, 1913 ,Arthur Wynne ,US
DDT, 1874, Othmar Zeidler, Germany
defibrillator, 1952, Paul M. Zoll, US
dentures, c. 700 BC, Etruscans, Italy
detector, metal, late 1920s, Gerhard Fisher, Germany/US
detector, home smoke, 1969, Randolph Smith, Kenneth House, US
diamond, artificial, 1955, General Electric Co., US
diapers, disposable, 1950, Marion Donovan, US
digital videodisc (DVD), 1995, consortium of international electronics companies
Japan, US, The Netherlands
dishwasher, 1886, Josephine Cochrane, US
DNA fingerprinting, 1984, Alec Jeffreys, UK
doughnut (ring) or donut, 1847, Hanson Crockett Gregory, US
door, revolving, 1888, Theophilus von Kannel, US
drinking fountain, c. 1905–1912, Luther Haws, Halsey W. Taylor (invented separately), US
dry cleaning, 1855, Jean Baptiste Jolly, France
dynamite, 1867, Alfred Nobel, Sweden
elastic, fabric, c. 1830, Thomas Hancock, UK
electric chair, 1888, Harold P. Brown, Arthur E. Kennelly, US
electrocardiogram (ECG, EKG), 1903, Willem Einthoven, The Netherlands
electroencephalogram (EEG), 1929 ,Hans Berger, Germany
electronic mail (e-mail), 1971, Ray Tomlinson, US
elevator, passenger, 1852 Elisha Graves Otis US
encyclopedia c. 4th century BC or 77 AD Speusippus (compliation of Plato's teachings) or Pliny the Elder (comprehensive work) Greece or Rome
engine, internal-combustion 1859 Étienne Lenoir France
engine, jet 1930 Sir Frank Whittle UK
engine, liquid-fueled rocket 1926 Robert H. Goddard US
engine, steam 1698 Thomas Savery England
escalator 1891 Jesse W. Reno US
eyeglasses 1280s Salvino degli Armati or Alessandro di Spina Italy
facsimile (fax) 1842 Alexander Bain Scotland
fiber optics 1955 Narinder S. Kapany India
fiberglass 1938 Owens Corning (corp.) US
film, photographic 1884 George Eastman US
flashlight, battery-operated portable 1899 Conrad Hubert Russia/US
flask, vacuum (Thermos) 1892 Sir James Dewar Scotland
food processor 1971 Pierre Verdon France
foods, freeze-dried 1946 Earl W. Flosdorf US
foods, frozen c. 1924 Clarence Birdseye US
Fresnel lens 1820 Augustin-Jean Fresnel France
fuel cell 1839 William R. Grove UK
genetic engineering 1973 Stanley N. Cohen, Herbert W. Boyer US
Geiger counter 1908 Hans Geiger Germany
glass c. 2500 BC Egyptians or Phoenicians Egypt or Lebanon
glass, safety 1909 Édouard Bénédictus France
greeting card, Christmas 1843 John Callcott Horsley England
guillotine 1792 Joseph-Ignace Guillotin France
guitar, electric 1941 Les Paul US
gunpowder c. 10th century — China or Arabia
hanger, wire coat 1903 Albert J. Parkhouse US
helicopter 1939 Igor Sikorsky Russia/US
holography 1948 Dennis Gabor Hungary
hypodermic syringe 1853 Charles Gabriel Pravaz France
in vitro fertilization (IVF), human 1978 Patrick Steptoe, Robert Edwards UK
ink c. 2500 BC — Egypt, China
insulin, extraction and preparation of 1921 Sir Frederick Grant Banting, Charles H. Best Canada
integrated circuit 1958 Jack S. Kilby US
Internet 1969 Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) at the Dept. of Defense US
iron, electric 1882 Henry W. Seely US
irradiation, food 1905 — US/UK
jeans 1873 Levi Strauss, Jacob Davis US
JELL-O (gelatin dessert) 1897 Pearle B. Wait US
jukebox 1889 Louis Glass US
Kevlar 1965 Stephanie Kwolek US
Kool-Aid (fruit drink mix) 1927 Edwin E. Perkins US
laser 1958 Gordon Gould and Charles Hard Townes, Arthur L. Schawlow (invented separately) US
laundromat 1934 J.F. Cantrell US
lawn mower, gasoline-powered c. 1940 Leonard Goodall US
Lego late 1940s Ole Kirk Christiansen Denmark
light bulb, incandescent 1879 Thomas Alva Edison US
light bulb, fluorescent 1934 Arthur Compton US
light-emitting diode (LED) 1962 Nick Holonyak, Jr. US
linoleum 1860 Frederick Walton UK
lipstick, tube 1915 Maurice Levy US
liquid crystal display (LCD) 1963 George Heilmeier US
lock and key c. 2000 BC Assyrians Mesopotamia
locomotive 1829 George Stephenson England
longbow c. 1000 — Wales
loudspeaker 1924 Chester W. Rice, Edward W. Kellogg US
magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) early 1970s Raymond Damadian, Paul Lauterbur US
margarine 1869 Hippolyte Mège-Mouriès France
matches, friction 1827 John Walker England
metric system of measurement 1795 French Academy of Sciences France
microphone 1878 David E. Hughes UK/US
microscope, compound optical c. 1600 Hans & Zacharias Jansen The Netherlands
microscope, electron 1933 Ernst Ruska Germany
microwave oven 1945 Percy L. Spencer US
miniature golf c. 1930 Garnet Carter US
mirror, glass c. 1200 Venetians Italy
missile, guided 1942 Wernher von Braun Germany
mobile home 1919 Glenn H. Curtiss US
money, paper late 900s — China
Monopoly (board game) 1934 Charles B. Darrow US
Morse code 1838 Samuel F.B. Morse US
motor, electric 1834 Thomas Davenport US
motor, outboard 1907 Ole Evinrude Norway/US
motorcycle 1885 Gottlieb Daimler, Wilhelm Maybach Germany
mouse, computer 1963–64 Douglas Engelbart US
Muzak 1922 George Owen Squier US
nail, construction c. 3300 BC Sumerians Mesopotamia
necktie 17th century — Croatia
neon lighting 1910 Georges Claude France
nuclear reactor 1942 Enrico Fermi US
nylon 1937 Wallace H. Carothers US
oil lamp 1784 Aimé Argand Switzerland
oil well 1859 Edwin Laurentine Drake US
pacemaker, cardiac 1952 Paul M. Zoll US
paper c. 105 Ts'ai Lun China
paper clip 1899 Johan Vaaler Norway
paper towel 1931 Arthur Scott US
parachute, modern 1797 André-Jacques Garnerin France
parking meter 1932 Carl C. Magee US
particle accelerator 1929 Sir John Douglas Cockcroft, Ernest Thomas Sinton Walton Ireland/UK
pasteurization 1864 Louis Pasteur France
pen, ballpoint 1938 Lazlo Biro Hungary
pencil 1565 Conrad Gesner Switzerland
periodic table 1871 Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleyev Russia
personal watercraft, motorized 1968 Bombardier, Inc. Canada
petroleum jelly 1870s Robert Chesebrough US
phonograph 1877 Thomas Alva Edison US
photocopying (xerography) 1937 Chester F. Carlson US
photography 1837 Louis-Jacques-Mandé Daguerre France
photography, instant 1947 Edwin Herbert Land US
Play-Doh 1956 Noah W. & Joseph S. McVicker US
plow, steel 1836 John Deere US
pocket watch c. 1500 Peter Henlein Germany
polyethylene 1935 Eric Fawcett, Reginald Gibson UK
polygraph (lie detector) 1921 John A. Larson US
polyvinyl chloride (PVC) 1872 Eugen Baumann Germany
Post-it Notes mid-1970s Arthur Fry (3M) US
potato chips 1853 George Crum US
printing press, movable type c. 1450 Johannes Gutenberg Germany
Prozac 1972 Ray W. Fuller, Bryan B. Molloy, David T. Wong US
radar c. 1904 Christian Hülsmeyer Germany
radio 1896 Guglielmo Marconi Italy
radio, car early 1920s William P. Lear US
rayon 1884 Louis-Marie-Hilaire Bernigaud, count of Chardonnet France
razor, electric 1928 Jacob Schick US
razor, safety c. 1900 King Camp Gillette US
reaper, mechanical 1831 Cyrus Hall McCormick US
record, long-playing (LP) 1948 Peter Carl Goldmark US
refrigerator 1842 John Gorrie US
remote control, television 1950 Robert Adler US
respirator c. 1955 Forrest M. Bird US
revolver 1835–36 Samuel Colt US
Richter scale 1935 Charles Francis Richter, Beno Gutenberg US
rifle, assault 1944 Hugo Schmeisser Germany
roller coaster 1884 LeMarcus A. Thompson US
rubber, vulcanized 1839 Charles Goodyear US
rubber band 1845 Stephen Perry UK
saccharin 1879 Ira Remsen, Constantin Fahlberg US, Germany
saddle (riding) c. 200 BC — China
safety pin 1849 Walter Hunt US
satellite, successful artificial earth 1957 Sergey Korolyov, et al. USSR
satellite, communications 1960 John Robinson Pierce US
saxophone 1846 Antoine-Joseph Sax Belgium
Scotch tape 1930 Richard Drew (3M) US
scuba gear 1943 Jacques Cousteau, Émile Gagnan France
seat belt, automotive shoulder 1959 Nils Bohlin (Volvo) Sweden
sewing machine 1841 Barthélemy Thimonnier France
shoelaces 1790 — England
silicone 1904 Frederic Stanley Kipping UK
skateboard 1958 Bill & Mark Richards US
skates, ice 1000 BC — Scandinavia
skates, roller 1760s Joseph Merlin Belgium
ski, snow c. 2000–3000 BC — Sweden, Finland, Norway
skyscraper, steel-frame 1884 William Le Baron Jenney US
slot machine 1890s Charles Fey US
snowmobile 1922 Joseph-Armand Bombardier Canada
soap 600 BC Phoenicians Lebanon
soft drinks, carbonated 1772 Joseph Priestley UK
sonar 1915 Paul Langevin France
stamps, postage 1840 Sir Rowland Hill UK
stapler 1866 George W. McGill US
steamboat, successful 1807 Robert Fulton US
steel, mass-production 1856 Henry Bessemer UK
steel, stainless 1914 Harry Brearley UK
stereo, personal 1979 Sony Corp. Japan
stereophonic sound recording 1931 Alan Dower Blumlein UK
stethoscope 1819 René-Théophile-Hyacinthe Laënnec France
stock ticker 1867 Edward A. Calahan US
stove, electric 1896 William Hadaway US
stove, gas 1826 James Sharp UK
straw, drinking 1888 Marvin Stone US
submarine 1620 Cornelis Drebbel The Netherlands
sunglasses 1752 James Ayscough UK
sunscreen 1944 Benjamin Green US
supermarket 1930 Michael Cullen US
synthesizer, music 1955 Harry Olson, Herbert Belar US
synthetic skin 1981 Ioannis V. Yannas, John F. Burke US
tampon, cotton 1931 Earle Cleveland Haas US
tank, military 1915 Admiralty Landships Committee UK
tea bag early 1900s Thomas Sullivan US
teddy bear 1902 Morris Michtom US
Teflon 1938 Roy Plunkett US
telegraph 1832–35 Samuel F.B. Morse US
telephone, wired-line 1876 Alexander Graham Bell Scotland/US
telephone, mobile 1946 Bell Laboratories US
telescope, optical 1608 Hans Lippershey The Netherlands
television 1923, 1927 Vladimir Kosma Zworykin, Philo Taylor Farnsworth Russia/US, US
thermometer 1592 Galileo Italy
thermostat 1830 Andrew Ure UK
threshing machine 1778 Andrew Meikle Scotland
tire, pneumatic 1888 John Boyd Dunlop UK
tissue, disposable facial 1924 Kimberly-Clark Co. US
tissue, toilet 1857 Joseph Gayetty US
toaster, electric 1893 Crompton Co. UK
toilet, flush c. 1591 Sir John Harington England
toothbrush 1498 — China
tractor 1892 John Froehlich US
traffic lights, automatic 1923 Garrett A. Morgan US
transistor 1947 John Bardeen, Walter H. Brattain, William B. Shockley US
typewriter 1868 Christopher Latham Sholes US
ultrasound imaging, obstetric 1958 Ian Donald UK
vaccination 1796 Edward Jenner England
vacuum cleaner, electric 1901 Herbert Cecil Booth UK
Velcro 1948 George de Mestral Switzerland
vending machine c. 100–200 BC — Egypt
Viagra 1997 Pfizer Inc. US
video games 1972 Nolan Bushnell US
videocassette recorder 1969 Sony Corp. Japan
videotape 1950s Charles Ginsburg US
virtual reality 1989 Jaron Lanier US
vision correction, laser 1987 Stephen Trokel US
washing machine, electric 1907 Alva J. Fisher US
wheel about 3500 BC proto-Aryan people or Sumerians Russia/Kazakhstan or Mesopotamia
wheelbarrow 1st century BC — China
wheelchair 1590s — Spain
windmill 644 — Persia
wine before 4000 BC — Middle East
World Wide Web 1989 Tim Berners-Lee UK
wristwatch, digital 1970 John M. Bergey US
X-ray imaging 1895 Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen Germany
Zamboni (ice resurfacing machine) 1949 Frank J. Zamboni US
zipper 1893 Whitcomb L. Judson US





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"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!', but 'That's funny…'" Isaac Asimov
"In reality, serendipity accounts for one percent of the blessings we receive in life, work and love. The other 99 percent is due to our efforts." Peter McWilliams
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"Serendipity is putting a quarter in the gumball machine and having three pieces come rattling out instead of one—all red." Peter H. Reynolds
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flyingbuttressman
All successful people have 2 thing in common: intelligence and drive. You have neither.
AlexG
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Would Einstien have ever figured out relativity if he gave up like you?
Would Ben have ever made the light bulb?


Dumba$$, Einstein got his degree in physics. (spell his name correctly, stupid).

And it was Edison who made the light bulb, not Franklin.

What grade did you drop out of school? Ninth?

Alaxir Zoa
Ok, I missed one, I was in blind rage when AlexG said that ideas had no place on this forum. Like i said last time, without inventions and discoveries science wouldn't exist. And we would still be knocking stones together. And about drive, I wouldn't be here trying to get sense and individuality knocked into peoples' heads.
Here is the sad part, I still haven't seen one person with good intentions on here. If you come here to comment negatively, don't come. We already have the criticizm of the world on our shoulders.

Bro, I'm 13 and just started 8th. (This the part when you realize that you have been out classed by a minor. And, you realize you were an idiot in comparison.)

I was listing inventions on my last post to show that the people who are remembered didn't give up. smile.gif
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Alaxir Zoa+Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM)
Bro, I'm 13 and just started 8th. (This the part when you realize that you have been out classed by a minor. And, you realize you were an idiot in comparison.)

That would have required you to outclass him, which you haven't even appeared to have done.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Alaxir Zoa+Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM)
Ok, I missed one, I was in blind rage when AlexG said that ideas had no place on this forum. Like i said last time, without inventions and discoveries science wouldn't exist. And we would still be knocking stones together. And about drive, I wouldn't be here trying to get sense and individuality knocked into peoples' heads.

I agree that innovation, creativity and hard work are the foundation for new ideas, but you are missing one aspect: hard work. Education is a prerequisite for work in physics, and the greatest force behind any inventor is money. Except in the rare case that you invent something by accident, inventors have to go through dozens, if not hundreds of variations to create a working prototype, and this usually requires a good deal of money.

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Here is the sad part, I still haven't seen one person with good intentions on here. If you come here to comment negatively, don't come. We already have the criticizm of the world on our shoulders.

This forum is a place to ask questions, not to postulate theories. If you have a legitimate scientific question, I will do my best to answer it. If you come here with a baseless idea that betrays your own lack of understanding, I will tell you that you are wrong. If you persist, you will be insulted.

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Here is the sad part, I still haven't seen one person with good intentions on here. If you come here to comment negatively, don't come. We already have the criticizm of the world on our shoulders.

This forum is a place to ask questions, not to postulate theories. If you have a legitimate scientific question, I will do my best to answer it. If you come here with a baseless idea that betrays your own lack of understanding, I will tell you that you are wrong. If you persist, you will be insulted.

Bro, I'm 13 and just started 8th.

It shows.

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I was listing inventions on my last post to show that the people who are remembered didn't give up. smile.gif

The people who are remembered didn't give up, and were successful you failed to mention the number of people who destroyed their careers on bad ideas.
Alaxir Zoa
That's just a bad down side. Sometimes if you live free, you gotta die hard. If you never tried, you would never succeed. Here is something I want you to hear. It's a daily dose of David's quotes. Here it is and there is much truth behind it,
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It is better to reach for the stars and land in the trees, than reach for the trees and land in the mud.
That's just the thing. You have to take chances, go for the gold, and if you fall, you just keep on keeping on, you get back up and persevere. I realize that this forum is not a place to state wild and random ideas, but there is nothing that I put in this forum so far that I cannot back up with solid truth. Here is where I come in. People need people. A person with a great idea and a solid basis should be encouraged to come here, because this is a place where he/she should be able to learn more than at the school building, work with people of equal and greater intelligence than him/her, make him/herself get smarter in this method, be able to test his/her theory with helpful, encouraging, build-you-up criticism. Or are people trying to make this site only for educated idiots who argue about nothing and everything? Yet I still believe that if you are coming here just goof off, or you have a random idea with out any basis, you shouldn't come here to waste our time. I personally take time out of my day specially to come here. Because everybody needs someone who can understand them, help them, and build them up. I have gotten to the point at which I am at, after an elementary school of nothing, and my life (I consider) began in 6th grade. I started getting interested in science, I started getting criticism. And at my school, i am the only person who wants to learn, everybody else being an idiot. So I hold my ideas in, improvising everyday, hoping that some day I will find some one that can talk to me on my level. And, about two days ago, I have found it, this site. And since then, I've gotten nothing but criticism. AT LEAST LOOK AT MY IDEAS would you?

I take being 13 as a compliment. And about outclassing you all, I meant when you guys were my age.(Or who knows, maybe even now?)(JOKING smile.gif )

About hard work, I considered it part of the package, not an extra unnececcity.

I will say once more, it is not just a theory, I have proven every aspect of it true ten times over. Would you just look at my ideas? Would it kill you to see the truth and act on it, or if you don't see it TELL ME HOW I'M WRONG?

I've neither intelligence or drive? I am intelligent enough to be arguing with you when you can STILL can't find any thing wrong with my invention, you just play around with words and try to make it sound good. I have enough drive to still put my ideas down in hope that someone who understands comes along. And guess what? There have been 8 murder attempt on me just because they want my idea. We will see who will be laughing when I'm on ABC NEWS because I've created perpetual motion and an efficient way to star travel. WE WILL SEE.

Hey, I've never done anything for the money before in my life and I'm not about to start now. I do what I do because I have a passion that drives me, an all-consuming fire that makes me wake every day, and gives me strength to go on(this is other than God), makes me want to live my life to the fullest, something I have never seen somebody have before. I do it for the love of inventing, not for the money. Because if you do it for the money, you wouldn't be happy doing it.
And if you aren't happy doing it, there is no reason to, every thing seems dead, and nothing will go well for you, you will start to be extremely negative, and you will lose all you have forever. I've seen it happen over and over again. A sad part of life.


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It is better to reach for the stars and land in the trees, than reach for the trees and land in the mud.
That's just the thing. You have to take chances, go for the gold, and if you fall, you just keep on keeping on, you get back up and persevere. I realize that this forum is not a place to state wild and random ideas, but there is nothing that I put in this forum so far that I cannot back up with solid truth. Here is where I come in. People need people. A person with a great idea and a solid basis should be encouraged to come here, because this is a place where he/she should be able to learn more than at the school building, work with people of equal and greater intelligence than him/her, make him/herself get smarter in this method, be able to test his/her theory with helpful, encouraging, build-you-up criticism. Or are people trying to make this site only for educated idiots who argue about nothing and everything? Yet I still believe that if you are coming here just goof off, or you have a random idea with out any basis, you shouldn't come here to waste our time. I personally take time out of my day specially to come here. Because everybody needs someone who can understand them, help them, and build them up. I have gotten to the point at which I am at, after an elementary school of nothing, and my life (I consider) began in 6th grade. I started getting interested in science, I started getting criticism. And at my school, i am the only person who wants to learn, everybody else being an idiot. So I hold my ideas in, improvising everyday, hoping that some day I will find some one that can talk to me on my level. And, about two days ago, I have found it, this site. And since then, I've gotten nothing but criticism. AT LEAST LOOK AT MY IDEAS would you?

I take being 13 as a compliment. And about outclassing you all, I meant when you guys were my age.(Or who knows, maybe even now?)(JOKING smile.gif )

About hard work, I considered it part of the package, not an extra unnececcity.

I will say once more, it is not just a theory, I have proven every aspect of it true ten times over. Would you just look at my ideas? Would it kill you to see the truth and act on it, or if you don't see it TELL ME HOW I'M WRONG?

I've neither intelligence or drive? I am intelligent enough to be arguing with you when you can STILL can't find any thing wrong with my invention, you just play around with words and try to make it sound good. I have enough drive to still put my ideas down in hope that someone who understands comes along. And guess what? There have been 8 murder attempt on me just because they want my idea. We will see who will be laughing when I'm on ABC NEWS because I've created perpetual motion and an efficient way to star travel. WE WILL SEE.

Hey, I've never done anything for the money before in my life and I'm not about to start now. I do what I do because I have a passion that drives me, an all-consuming fire that makes me wake every day, and gives me strength to go on(this is other than God), makes me want to live my life to the fullest, something I have never seen somebody have before. I do it for the love of inventing, not for the money. Because if you do it for the money, you wouldn't be happy doing it.
And if you aren't happy doing it, there is no reason to, every thing seems dead, and nothing will go well for you, you will start to be extremely negative, and you will lose all you have forever. I've seen it happen over and over again. A sad part of life.


Without passion you are nothing.
Without people you are nothing.
Without God you are nothing.
And with out a woman you are definitely nothing.

flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Alaxir Zoa+Jul 30 2009, 08:25 AM)
A person with a great idea and a solid basis should be encouraged to come here, because this is a place where he/she should be able to learn more than at the school building, work with people of equal and greater intelligence than him/her, make him/herself get smarter in this method, be able to test his/her theory with helpful, encouraging, build-you-up criticism. Or are people trying to make this site only for educated idiots who argue about nothing and everything?

I think this site does have more potential than is currently being demonstrated. It could be a powerful tool for education. Unfortunately, most of our time is taken up by those who come here and make up their own laws of physics and expect everyone else to admit that they are right.

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Yet I still believe that if you are coming here just goof off, or you have a random idea with out any basis, you shouldn't come here to waste our time. I personally take time out of my day specially to come here. Because everybody needs someone who can understand them, help them, and build them up.

I do come here to goof off a little, but I also try to use my knowledge to help others. Sometimes that help comes in the form of telling someone the inconvenient truth that they are an idiot. (not you)

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Yet I still believe that if you are coming here just goof off, or you have a random idea with out any basis, you shouldn't come here to waste our time. I personally take time out of my day specially to come here. Because everybody needs someone who can understand them, help them, and build them up.

I do come here to goof off a little, but I also try to use my knowledge to help others. Sometimes that help comes in the form of telling someone the inconvenient truth that they are an idiot. (not you)

I have gotten to the point at which I am at, after an elementary school of nothing, and my life (I consider) began in 6th grade. I started getting interested in science, I started getting criticism. And at my school, i am the only person who wants to learn, everybody else being an idiot. So I hold my ideas in, improvising everyday, hoping that some day I will find some one that can talk to me on my level. And, about two days ago, I have found it, this site. And since then, I've gotten nothing but criticism.

I "invented" a perpetual motion machine at about that time. It was a cork ring that sat in a box which was divided in half vertically by a wall. One half was filled with water, the other with air. The cork ring would rotate in place, rising in the water half and sinking in the air half. Sounded like a great idea at the time, but the problem is that water pressure balances out the force of buoyancy.

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I will say once more, it is not just a theory, I have proven every aspect of it true ten times over. Would you just look at my ideas? Would it kill you to see the truth and act on it, or if you don't see it TELL ME HOW I'M WRONG?

You are wrong because there is no possible way to convert electricity to gravity. Gravity can only be increased by adding mass. The only way to create mass is with a particle accelerator. The energy needed to create one atom is astronomical. Remember, E=MC^2. Any creation of mass requires tons of energy. Gravity is not like magnetism, you can't turn it on and off.


I think that you have a legitimate interest in science. Keep it up. Wikipedia is a great place to study scientific concepts. Unfortunately, the American school system has an extremely boring science curriculum, so you should probably study stuff on the side. Good luck!
AlexG
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I will say once more, it is not just a theory, I have proven every aspect of it true ten times over.


Stay in school.
Alaxir Zoa
Flyingbuttressman, i wasn't talking about you either. And about the not being able to turn electricity into gravity, see what happens when you put extreme voltage density on a piece of metal. It curves, giving it false mass. I have found a way around this. The samples were measured while resting on an insulated plate on a Mettler A100 digital scale. This scale had a repeatable accuracy of 0.0001 grams. In order to eliminate the twisting torsion effect of the disk when it was stressed two small #26 copper wire was soldered to the electrodes on the disks. The other end of these wires were placed in two small Styrofoam cups filled with mercury. There was an additional wire in each cup that connected to the high voltage supply. This way as the disk twisted it didn’t pull on either of the wires and induce a false mass change.

Ok. Now that you have gotten past the twisting effect,(you can make the plate wider to decrease it and allow more voltage density) apply an extreme amount of voltage(over 35 V/mil mil being 1/1000 of an inch) and record how heavy it is then. The Biefield-Brown Effect, as found by Thomas Townsend Brown in the late 1920's, produced a slight weight change in a specially constructed capacitor when it was subjected to an extremely high DC voltage. Others have verified the effect and several patents have been granted over the years.

I have a table of this.


TABLE I - Sample Characteristics



Sample
Initial

:F
Tested

:F
rc

meters
s

meters
k1
mass

gm
Poled
Mfg.

E5
.079
.082
.02858
.000890
3095
17.1
yes
EDO

P1
.882
.874
.0409 *
.000185
3507
7.7
yes
Piezo

M5
.563
.565
.03175
.000104
2088
2.3
no
Motorola


* effective radius

Column Definitions

Initial = Capacitance as received

Tested = Capacitance as tested (wires, insulation, etc.)

rc = Radius of electrode surface

s = Dielectric thickness

k1 = Dielectric Constant

mass = Dielectric mass in grams

Poled = Polarized when manufactured

Mfg. = Manufacturer of the sample

Rewriting equation (11) yields the generating equation.

Um, copying didn't work too well. blink.gif Uh, here is how it goes, there are 4 columns that you are seeing right now. How the real chart is goes like this, the columns are horizontal in exactly the same order as they are right now. Now what they are is listed in the fifth vertical column. Look and may the truth be revealed to you.

Here is something you might want to know, this was the table of my very first testing. I am now using different, more resistent metals and am putting such high voltage (nearing a hundred thousand) on it that it has a black hole effect. Though not as powerful, otherwise I wouldn't be here to tell you about it. It is so powerful, it bends the space-time in the vincity. A gravity plate extraordinaire. More next post. biggrin.gif



flyingbuttressman
I'm sorry, but your theory is not fact-based. The experiment that you mentioned did not produce a solid conclusion. The effect witnessed was most likely a product of ion wind. Ion wind occurs when an ionized fluid is exposed to an intense magnetic field. There is no such thing as anti-gravity. Gravity can not be affected by an electrical current.
Alaxir Zoa
WHEN and WHERE did I ever mention anti-gravity? And NOT affected, created!

Uh, hello? Ionic wind? Making it heavier? I don't think we are on the same subject.

The solid conclusion is this, i have proven that that you can create a gravity field using electricity. Making it heavier and heavier until it warps the space time continuum making it be essentially, a gravity field. Now, about the perpetual motion part of it, if you attach a steel/titanium 1mm thin flap onto it, it, going at unimaginably high speeds, it would create a wind powerful enough to power a car, more than enough for the milivolt or two that it will lose every now and then and plenty enough for the electricity needs that the passengers will have. Works well doesn't it? cool.gif

Is a page full of mathematical equations and formulas enough proof for you? I dare not show them here though for privacy and security reasons which I'm sure you'll understand.

OK. On with my last post. On the first testing, I applied 35 V/mil to the thin plate of metal. And it changed weight by a small amount. Now, let's think on the terms of a hundred thousand V/mil. Imagine, and understand. I can also make it even more powerful, by using the same concept wider plates and, like I said in my first post ever as DD3, connect them with this special nickel electrode glue and the effect is multiplied by much. biggrin.gif

Buddy, uh, trust me, i made sure there was no fluid within the next 50 meters of it. Otherwise bad things would have happened.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Alaxir Zoa+Jul 31 2009, 07:03 PM)
WHEN and WHERE did I ever mention anti-gravity? And NOT affected, created!

Uh, hello? Ionic wind? Making it heavier? I don't think we are on the same subject.

You mentioned the Biefeld–Brown effect. I looked it up. The interpretation that you are referring to is obvious nonsense about anti-gravity. It's a magnetic effect, not a gravitational one. The force that explains the effect is ionic wind, not a gravitational change.

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The solid conclusion is this, i have proven that that you can create a gravity field  using electricity. Making it heavier and heavier until it warps the space time continuum making it be essentially, a gravity field. Now, about the perpetual motion part of it, if you attach a steel/titanium 1mm thin flap onto it, it, going at unimaginably high speeds, it would create a wind powerful enough to power a car, more than enough for the milivolt or two that it will lose every now and then and plenty enough for the electricity needs that the passengers will have. Works well doesn't it?

I have not seen one example where you have "proven" that the creation of a gravity field with electricity is possible. In fact, that is completely impossible.

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The solid conclusion is this, i have proven that that you can create a gravity field  using electricity. Making it heavier and heavier until it warps the space time continuum making it be essentially, a gravity field. Now, about the perpetual motion part of it, if you attach a steel/titanium 1mm thin flap onto it, it, going at unimaginably high speeds, it would create a wind powerful enough to power a car, more than enough for the milivolt or two that it will lose every now and then and plenty enough for the electricity needs that the passengers will have. Works well doesn't it?

I have not seen one example where you have "proven" that the creation of a gravity field with electricity is possible. In fact, that is completely impossible.

Is a page full of mathematical equations and formulas enough proof for you? I dare not show them here though for privacy and security reasons which I'm sure you'll understand.

Somehow I doubt that you could use junior high school level math to explain a complex problem such as this.

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OK. On with my last post. On the first testing, I applied 35 V/mil to the thin plate of metal. And it changed weight by a small amount. Now, let's think on the terms of a hundred thousand V/mil. Imagine, and understand. I can also make it even more powerful, by using the same concept wider plates and, like I said in my first post ever as DD3, connect them with this special nickel electrode glue and the effect is multiplied by much. biggrin.gif

Somehow I doubt that you actually carried out any form of experiment with high voltage electricity. Even if you did, the effect you would have witnessed is magnetic, not gravitational.

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OK. On with my last post. On the first testing, I applied 35 V/mil to the thin plate of metal. And it changed weight by a small amount. Now, let's think on the terms of a hundred thousand V/mil. Imagine, and understand. I can also make it even more powerful, by using the same concept wider plates and, like I said in my first post ever as DD3, connect them with this special nickel electrode glue and the effect is multiplied by much. biggrin.gif

Somehow I doubt that you actually carried out any form of experiment with high voltage electricity. Even if you did, the effect you would have witnessed is magnetic, not gravitational.

Buddy, uh, trust me, i made sure there was no fluid within the next 50 meters of it. Otherwise bad things would have happened.

Air is considered to be a fluid. Fluid means "not solid."

Here is a little physics competency test:
If I push a box with 3 Newtons of force over a distance of 3 meters, how much work has been accomplished?
uaafanblog
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 1 2009, 01:22 AM)
Air is considered to be a fluid. Fluid means "not solid."


Rather than point out the myriad of mistakes that our pubescent friend made on his strange list, I thought I'd disagree with you FBM ... (seemed to me reading through his list that he'd misidentified a lot of "inventors". Guess he's never heard of Alexander Graham Bell or Marconi.)

But anyway .... Air is a mixture of "gases" as far as I remember.
lzurha
what if u had a reflector thing infront that kinda reflects light lke a crystal does inside but reverses the lasers force into a direction u want to go could u slowly gain speed with alaser in space?
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jul 31 2009, 09:30 PM)
But anyway .... Air is a mixture of "gases" as far as I remember.

That's what I thought, but I guess the term is a little more broad than that:
Wikipedia: Fluid
bukh
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QUOTE (flyingbuttressman @ Aug 1 2009, 01:22 AM)
Air is considered to be a fluid. Fluid means "not solid."




How solid must a solid be in order to be a solid ?

Perhaps not awfully relevant in this context - but always good to consider the dynamic of reality - the lastingness of existence - relatively speaking.
Alaxir Zoa
I turned the effect and the formula around a couple of times to get what i have now.

I also understand that it is usually associated to UFOs and a public gravitation propulsion system not too long ago researched in the US. ph34r.gif

Nothing is impossible. Nothing. Ever. No matter what. Nothing is impossible, and the sooner you believe it, the better off you will be in the world of science.

That's why it attracted the wooden table as well, huh? wink.gif

I was using calculus, trig, geometry, algebra, etc. huh.gif

Enough to get it that far. smile.gif
RobDegraves
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Nothing is impossible. Nothing. Ever. No matter what. Nothing is impossible, and the sooner you believe it, the better off you will be in the world of science.


Can white be black?

Can long be short?

Can 2 + 2 = 42?

Just curious.
AlexG
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Nothing is impossible. Nothing. Ever. No matter what. Nothing is impossible, and the sooner you believe it, the better off you will be in the world of science.


Nothing seems impossible to those who don't know.

This has got to be a liberal arts major, assuming there is ANY secondary education here.

Alaxir Zoa
ph34r.gif It is but it sometimes also depends on your view.
MM
QUOTE (professor andy+Jun 22 2005, 02:49 PM)
Ok people, lets get to the bottom of it.

I wanna hear ideas for warping space! I have the idea of propelling a vehicle by "screwing" it thought space, like a nut and bolt.

But how can we make a reaction force between it and space..?

Here is a question. If star light is millions of light years old if we are able to create a worm hole to jump to them, do we therefore travel back in time when we arrive there if arrival is within hours of first starting the journey. I recall Scientists on earth had created a space machine due to be tested around 2008 to enable travel to Mars in hours only. The website is now closed and nothing heard about this machine sicne.
Matador
QUOTE (MM+Sep 23 2009, 10:44 PM)
Here is a question. If star light is millions of light years old if we are able to create a worm hole to jump to them, do we therefore travel back in time when we arrive there if arrival is within hours of first starting the journey. I recall Scientists on earth had created a space machine due to be tested around 2008 to enable travel to Mars in hours only. The website is now closed and nothing heard about this machine sicne.

possibly because it was all crackpottery?

what your stating is best described as 'science fiction' smile.gif
Alaxir Zoa
Matador has a point on this subject. You would be moving "faster" than time would technically allow you to go so in a way that could be considered going back in time, but no, not really.

Inventors sometimes try to make their product seem amazing so people will buy it. But on closer inspection, it is all a hoax. It's life, move on. wink.gif
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