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brucep
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 12:05 AM)
The problem is that we still have no feasible way to manipulate the local geometry of spacetime without huge quantities of mass. The only method that seems open to me is if we could figure out how to manipulate the relationship between mass, gravitation and inertia.

You're right it's an impossible problem now. It is theoretically possible.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 12:11 AM)
Read your link. When you convert to geometric units it should become clear that c^4 and G are a function of the units used when writing down the EFE.  Specifically conventional units. Since light is a form of energy then it does contribute to the right side of the EFE. The fact that you don't know 'what's up' with units means ...

brucep,
Geometric units hide clues that would lead to real progress in physics. Obviously you don't want progress. You just want to drag this physics forum into the gutter.

Everyone,
The speed of light, c, is the important clue that shows us how to get new physics, how to get a major breakthrough. The speed of light appears in quantum mechanics and relativity; none of the others appear in both: h, G, Lambda,...

Here is another clue. Only one thing travels at the speed of light: LIGHT!!!! Specifically photons. Particles with mass can only approach the speed of light. Gravitons don't count because they've never been detected. PHOTONS are the only thing that travel at the speed of light.

There are other clues that we have to do something with light, but some are reacting negatively, so I'll just get to the point...
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 12:12 AM)
Geometric units hide clues that would lead to real progress in physics. Obviously you don't want progress. You just want to drag this physics forum into the gutter.

You're an idiot and an a$s.
Mazulu
The break-though in physics that will lead to a TOE, the gravity drive, warp drives, proof of flying saucer technology, wormholes, electronics disruption beams, interplanetary travel, etc., comes from a very simple equation. The equation for a line.

Y = mX+b.

Y is the electromagnetic radiation frequency that you have to emit. X is the period of the shift photon; b is the frequency that you start with. You will have to perform your own experiments; this kind of technology is beyond what I can do.

If you generate this electromagnetic frequency shift repeatedly, you will produce a gravity field. I suggest you start with b=400THz, m = 4x10^17 cycles/sec^2.

You will have to experiment until you find the right slope (m = df/dt) and b (minimum frequency) that induces an acceleration field.

If you want new technology and new physics, then do this experiment.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 04:25 AM)
The break-though in physics that will lead to the gravity drive, warp drives, proof of flying saucer technology, wormholes, electronics disruption beams, interplanetary travel, etc., comes from a very simple equation.  The equation for a line.

Y = mX+b.

Y is the electromagnetic radiation frequency that you have to emit.  X is the period of the shift photon; b is the frequency that you start with.  You will have to perform your own experiments; this kind of technology is beyond what I can do.

If you generate this electromagnetic frequency shift repeatedly, you will produce a gravity field.  I suggest you start with b=400THz, m = 4x10^17 cycles/sec^2. 

You will have to experiment until you find the right slope (m = df/dt) and b (minimum frequency) that induces an acceleration field. 

If you want new technology and new physics, then do this experiment.

I'm sorry I just can't make it any simpler than that. If you don't know what "emit light at frequency shift Y=mX+b" means, then what can I say? sad.gif
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 04:25 AM)
The break-though in physics that will lead to the gravity drive, warp drives, proof of flying saucer technology, wormholes, electronics disruption beams, interplanetary travel, etc., comes from a very simple equation. The equation for a line.

Y = mX+b.

Y is the electromagnetic radiation frequency that you have to emit. X is the period of the shift photon; b is the frequency that you start with. You will have to perform your own experiments; this kind of technology is beyond what I can do.

If you generate this electromagnetic frequency shift repeatedly, you will produce a gravity field. I suggest you start with b=400THz, m = 4x10^17 cycles/sec^2.

You will have to experiment until you find the right slope (m = df/dt) and b (minimum frequency) that induces an acceleration field.

If you want new technology and new physics, then do this experiment.

I've a 4 year old nephew who spouts delusional idiocy in much the same way ....... pray tell, how old are you? blink.gif
Robittybob1
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 04:24 AM)
You're an idiot and an a$s.

If you don't like it stay away please. You and Alex don't help the attitude of the people here.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 24 2012, 05:02 AM)
I've a 4 year old nephew who spouts delusional idiocy in much the same way ....... pray tell, how old are you?  blink.gif

Are you calling your 4 year old nephew and "idiot"??? ohmy.gif

You are a loathsome aunt!!! The little boy's parents should ban you from visiting.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 24 2012, 05:06 AM)
If you don't like it stay away please.  You and Alex don't help the attitude of the people here.

Robittybob1,
You're right! There are some loathsome people around here. But I don't know where else to go. String theory is a blind alley beyond hope of experiment. The Einstein equations are only half of the truth. There is too much gutter-sniping here to even discuss frequency shift experiments.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 05:07 AM)
Are you calling your 4 year old nephew and "idiot"??? ohmy.gif

You are a loathsome aunt!!! The little boy's parents should ban you from visiting.

Let's not turn this forum into a slanging match. Apologise to the cross-dresser immediately.
Lady E is not known to be lady like when angered.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 05:15 AM)
Robittybob1,
You're right! There are some loathsome people around here. But I don't know where else to go. String theory is a blind alley beyond hope of experiment. The Einstein equations are only half of the truth. There is too much gutter-sniping here to even discuss frequency shift experiments.

No not you. It was FBM that I was referring to. I see AlexG has been banned (but not for long though) on another forum for flaming.
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 05:07 AM)
Are you calling your 4 year old nephew and "idiot"??? ohmy.gif


It's "an idiot" ... idiot! laugh.gif

No, he's a very bright little chap;- merely suffering from parents expecting the poor boy to way over-achieve;- his pathetic outbursts (extraordinarily similar to your own) are merely sad cries for attention and acceptance. sad.gif

Are your parents bitterly disappointed with you? ...... well, we @ physforum most definitely are.

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Mazulu
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 24 2012, 05:30 AM)
It's "an idiot" ... idiot!  laugh.gif

No, he's a very bright little chap;- merely suffering from parents expecting the poor boy to way over-achieve;- his pathetic outbursts (extraordinarily similar to your own) are merely sad cries for attention and acceptance.  sad.gif

Are your parents bitterly disappointed with you? ...... well, we @ physforum most definitely are.

smile.gif

Actually no, my parents both loved me and were very proud of me. I miss them.

Wait till that little boy grows up and experiences life. Wait till he gets kicked around by life. That "pathetic outburst" will become a roar, and he will influence the opinions of others.

Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 24 2012, 05:21 AM)
No not you.  It was FBM that I was referring to.  I see AlexG has been banned (but not for long though) on another forum for flaming.

Flaming? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Nah, you're all right Robittybob1. biggrin.gif

I'm just trying to pull the physics community out of the ditch so we can continue our technological progression. String theory was the wrong exit. Get back on the freeway.

Take the exit that says: Shift photon experiments.
Lady Elizabeth
If you really want to create warp drive, this is how I imagined it when I was a youngster;-

If all particles have intrinsic transdimensional wavestate. Then gravity could well be assumed to be mutual energy exchange (induction) from wavefront to wavefront surfaces. This naturally creates morphic asymmetry, as parts of the condensing import wavefront reach their Schwarzchild distance before others - the affect of this simply relocates the singularity spatially (being a purely harmonic buffering reaction to allow singularity formation) ..... as a direct consequence, the particle/mass is seen to accelerate towards the greatest source of inductance.

Furthermore, by selectively screening-out (dampening) parts of the overall geodesic (of a starship for instance) would allow for 'warp drive' to become an actuality.

Hey, that sounds better than your flashing lights and crayons version ...... doesn't it?



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Mazulu
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 24 2012, 06:05 AM)
If you really want to create warp drive, this is how I imagined it when I was a youngster;-

If all particles have intrinsic transdimensional wavestate. Then gravity could well be assumed to be mutual energy exchange (induction) from wavefront to wavefront surfaces. This naturally creates morphic asymmetry, as parts of the condensing import wavefront reach their Schwarzchild distance before others - the affect of this simply relocates the singularity spatially (being a purely harmonic buffering reaction to allow singularity formation) ..... as a direct consequence, the particle/mass is seen to accelerate towards the greatest source of inductance.

Furthermore, by selectively screening-out (dampening) parts of the overall geodesic (of a starship for instance) would allow for 'warp drive' to become an actuality.

Hey, that sounds better than your flashing lights and crayons version ...... doesn't it?



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In one sentence, how do you test your theory? For example:

To induce a gravity field you must repeatedly emit an electromagnetic frequency shift at frequency f(t) = df/dt*t+f_0, where df/dt>4x10^17cycles/sec^2, f<400THz, for a repetition period < 100ms.

Now you try it.

Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 06:25 AM)
In one sentence, how do you test your theory?

Test? laugh.gif ....... how the hell do you think I came to be marooned on this filth-pit planet?

I've had to adapt from a 14 tentacled, iron vapour breathing state into something resembling human (although that was over 6 centuries ago) .... hope to be going home real soon. biggrin.gif

Click
Mazulu
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 24 2012, 06:45 AM)
Test?  laugh.gif ....... how the hell do you think I came to be marooned on this filth-pit planet?

I've had to adapt from a 14 tentacled, iron vapour breathing state into something resembling human (although that was over 6 centuries ago) .... hope to be going home real soon.  biggrin.gif

Click

Do you need a lift? Here is my ship.

But seriously, your picture looks like a foundation.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 24 2012, 06:45 AM)
Test? laugh.gif ....... how the hell do you think I came to be marooned on this filth-pit planet?

I've had to adapt from a 14 tentacled, iron vapour breathing state into something resembling human (although that was over 6 centuries ago) .... hope to be going home real soon. biggrin.gif

Click

I thought you'd be happy on this Honey Pot in the goldilocks zone.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 24 2012, 07:10 AM)
I thought you'd be happy on this Honey Pot in the goldilocks zone.

She breathes iron vapor. I'll take her to Mercury. rolleyes.gif
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 07:13 AM)
She breathes iron vapor. I'll take her to Mercury. rolleyes.gif

Actually, the orbital distance of my home world (44 Boötis A-1) is closer than Mercury is to your star, 56.3 times the mass of Earth, and it rains iron @ the poles.

My 'blood' is similar to molten glass, with an Aluminium oxide endoskeletal 'skin' ..... body temperature, around 1375°C

What you term the "goldilock's zone" was once thought to be uninhabitable by life .... and then we discovered Earth.


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brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 04:12 AM)
brucep,
Geometric units hide clues that would lead to real progress in physics.  Obviously you don't want progress.  You just want to drag this physics forum into the gutter.

Everyone,
The speed of light, c, is the important clue that shows us how to get new physics, how to get a major breakthrough.  The speed of light appears in quantum mechanics and relativity; none of the others appear in both:  h, G, Lambda,... 

Here is another clue.  Only one thing travels at the speed of light:  LIGHT!!!! Specifically photons.  Particles with mass can only approach the speed of light.  Gravitons don't count because they've never been detected.  PHOTONS are the only thing that travel at the speed of light. 

There are other clues that we have to do something with light, but some are reacting negatively, so I'll just get to the point...

You're a mentally deranged irrelevant imbecile. You 'rubber stamp' your ignorance with unbelievably stupid posts like the one I'm referring to. Units are 2nd chapter high school physics.

Everyone,

Mazulu is scientific illiterate. Ignorance is a choice but maybe not for the mentally deranged.
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 08:14 AM)
You're a mentally deranged irrelevant imbecile. You 'rubber stamp' your ignorance with unbelievably stupid posts like the one I'm referring to. Units are 2nd chapter high school physics.

Everyone,

Mazulu is scientific illiterate. Ignorance is a choice but maybe not for the mentally deranged.

Agreed.
Lady Elizabeth
Even us Robinson Crusoe alien types think Mazulu is mentally deranged.

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brucep
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 24 2012, 05:06 AM)
If you don't like it stay away please. You and Alex don't help the attitude of the people here.

You mean the attitude of the fuking scientifically illiterate mo*rons posting here. IE conservatively 85% of members posting here. You 'stay away' then it will be closer to 84%.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 08:26 AM)
You mean the attitude of the fuking scientifically illiterate mo*rons posting here. IE conservatively 85% of members posting here. You 'stay away' then it will be closer to 84%.

Yes, I mean the rest of us, hate hearing Alex and FBM moaning.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 08:14 AM)
You're a mentally deranged irrelevant imbecile. You 'rubber stamp' your ignorance with unbelievably stupid posts like the one I'm referring to. Units are 2nd chapter high school physics.

Everyone,

Mazulu is scientific illiterate. Ignorance is a choice but maybe not for the mentally deranged.

retard,
Geometric units de-emphasize the importance of c, the speed of light. But relativity reminds your retarded as$ that velocities of all matter are gauged against the velocity of what? Velocity of light. Light is the velocity standard for ALL other particles. And only one thing can travel at exactly the speed of light. Can you guess what that is?

No retard, it's not geometric units. No it's not 1. No it's not neutrinos. No dumb-as$, it's not dark matter. No, it's not quarks.

Only one thing travels at the speed of light. Can you guess what that is? It's what you have to use to unify QM with GR to obtain a GUT.

Maybe you're not exactly retarded. Maybe you just have no common sense. dry.gif
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 24 2012, 08:40 AM)
Yes, I mean the rest of us, hate hearing Alex and FBM moaning.

They moan because they can't discuss and they can't debate. They have no vision. The don't want warp drive technology to be discovered. Because if it were discovered, their pessimistic world view would dissolve. That is the Truth.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 04:25 AM)
The break-though in physics that will lead to a TOE, the gravity drive, warp drives, proof of flying saucer technology, wormholes, electronics disruption beams, interplanetary travel, etc., comes from a very simple equation.  The equation for a line.

Y = mX+b.

Y is the electromagnetic radiation frequency that you have to emit.  X is the period of the shift photon; b is the frequency that you start with.  You will have to perform your own experiments; this kind of technology is beyond what I can do.

If you generate this electromagnetic frequency shift repeatedly, you will produce a gravity field.  I suggest you start with b=400THz, m = 4x10^17 cycles/sec^2. 

You will have to experiment until you find the right slope (m = df/dt) and b (minimum frequency) that induces an acceleration field. 

If you want new technology and new physics, then do this experiment.

These are the basics of the experiment that could lead to the warp drive. But the physics community is not interested in experiments. They are not interested in new technology, interstellar travel or First Contact with extraterrestrials.

It is you who are not ready to travel to the stars.
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 10:09 AM)
These are the basics of the experiment that could lead to the warp drive.  But the physics community is not interested in experiments.  They are not interested in new technology, interstellar travel or First Contact with extraterrestrials. 

It is you who are not ready to travel to the stars.

Not really, most individuals on this forum are not quite so critically fucked-up in the head department as your sickeningly deluded self

.... anyone without a brain can pretend and make up worthless puerile faeces.

The real gut-wrenchingly distressing thing;- even IQ deficient imbeciles have greater imaginative/intellectual skills than you.

I really sob for you inside. sad.gif .... sad pathetic, deluded little twerp.

ps;- and that's being exceptionally kind.

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Mazulu
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 24 2012, 10:53 AM)
Not really, most individuals on this forum are not quite so critically fucked-up in the head department as your sickeningly deluded self

.... anyone without a brain can pretend and make up worthless puerile faeces.

The real gut-wrenchingly distressing thing;- even IQ deficient imbeciles have greater imaginative/intellectual skills than you.

I really sob for you inside. sad.gif .... sad pathetic, deluded little twerp.

ps;- and that's being exceptionally kind.

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I offered you an experiment that could prove warp drive technology. You respond by sinking into the gutter. You don't want warp drive physics, do you?
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 11:47 AM)
I offered you an experiment that could prove warp drive technology.

No, you merely vomited retard-minded bollocks.

I work with spectral instrumentation that sweeps across a broad UV band 1000 times per second ..... does my spectrophotometer accelerate off the bench?

No, fuckwit!


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Ed Wood
Mazulu,

This an
Optical frequency multiplier

it is used to increase (shift) the frequency of photons.

They are used in Fusion experiments for the most part.

UC davis frequnency multiplier

Yes these things kind of work the way you have sort of described by combining multiple different frequencies.

Maybe you could contact UC Davis or the National Ignition Facility NIF to see if they have experienced any evidence of a warp field surrounding their device.

National Ignition Facility NIF

I know you probably think you're smarter than them but you do not have more money. They have been shifting photons for years. Contact them, send an email or just call. Maybe if you have a decent proposal they will give you some time to play with their lasers when they are not being used.
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Ed Wood+Mar 24 2012, 12:55 PM)
Maybe if you have a decent proposal they will give you some time to play with their lasers when they are not being used.

Maz' thinks like some idiot who's been fooling around with a tera-watt laser;- the aftermath of a horrible incident, where he totally vaporized his head.

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Ed Wood
lol

Mazulu um don't look directly at the laser to see the warp field.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 05:07 AM)
They moan because they can't discuss and they can't debate. They have no vision. The don't want warp drive technology to be discovered. Because if it were discovered, their pessimistic world view would dissolve. That is the Truth.

Wow. Guess what? You've turned your warp drive theory into a one-man cult. Science is not a religion dumba*s
Ed Wood
Mazulu, If you read the NIF website you will notice that the shifted laser photon ignition sources rely on ABLATION of the outer coating of the fuel pellet to achieve ignition of the fuel within through inertial confinement NOT a warp field.
Whitewolf4869
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 01:19 PM)
Wow. Guess what? You've turned your warp drive theory into a one-man cult. Science is not a religion dumba*s

No science isn't a religion but physics certainty seems to be!( Dumba )
Whitewolf4869
I cant imagine building a boat or in this case a ship before I know if its going to travel through air or water.
That's where phyisics has gone wrong. We know almost every thing about matter and almost nothing about what is floating in. smile.gif rolleyes.gif
Ed Wood
lol

silly human speaking of his own ignorance and blaming everyone else. laugh.gif ph34r.gif cool.gif rolleyes.gif tongue.gif
Whitewolf4869
QUOTE (Ed Wood+Mar 24 2012, 02:25 PM)
lol

silly human speaking of his own ignorance and blaming everyone else. laugh.gif ph34r.gif cool.gif rolleyes.gif tongue.gif

I see you have a problem with the emotion button as well (silly human)
Whitewolf4869
So your going to power your flying sauser with a laser.
That's a real good plan because all you would have to do is turn you ship around and use your propulsion system as a weapon when the Romulins attack lol
flyingbuttressman
Never have I seen so many dunces conglomerating in one place.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 05:12 PM)
Never have I seen so many dunces conglomerating in one place.

Well just open your eyes and you will.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Ed Wood+Mar 24 2012, 12:55 PM)
Mazulu,

This an
Optical frequency multiplier

it is used to increase (shift) the frequency of photons.

They are used in Fusion experiments for the most part.

UC davis frequnency multiplier

Yes these things kind of work the way you have sort of described by combining multiple different frequencies.

Maybe you could contact UC Davis or the National Ignition Facility NIF to see if they have experienced any evidence of a warp field surrounding their device.

National Ignition Facility NIF

I know you probably think you're smarter than them but you do not have more money. They have been shifting photons for years. Contact them, send an email or just call. Maybe if you have a decent proposal they will give you some time to play with their lasers when they are not being used.

That's helpful. I'll take a closer look at these when I get home tonight. Obviously these instruments don't fly off the table. Then again, neither do spinning superconductors. But I think the gravity field generator ability of frequency shift really requires a wide frequency shift in a very short time. I suggest 400 to 800THz in <100ms, repeatedly, in order to prove the concept. It's gravitational redshift that makes me think that frequency shift and gravity are coupled to each other.

I have to give you a pat on the back for being helpful by offering knowledge and reasonable suggestions. I think it's a shame that this physics website has been overrun by such bad behavior.
Whitewolf4869
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 05:12 PM)
Never have I seen so many dunces conglomerating in one place.

What would a good old dunce party be like with out you blink.gif
waitedavid137
You know whats really killing me right now is that by coincidence while all the crazyness in this warp drive thread is going on, someone actually sent me an interesting paper on a warp drive idea a couple of days ago I've been discussing it with, but I can't say whats in it because it may at some point be publishable which is why he wanted me to look at it in the first place. Oh well. And no Mazulu, it has nothing to do with LEDs.
Mazulu
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 24 2012, 06:25 PM)
You know whats really killing me right now is that by coincidence while all the crazyness in this warp drive thread is going on, someone actually sent me an interesting paper on a warp drive idea a couple of days ago I've been discussing it with, but I can't say whats in it because it may at some point be publishable which is why he wanted me to look at it in the first place. Oh well. And no Mazulu, it has nothing to do with LEDs.

If this leads to an effective acceleration field generator, then I'm happy. In the mean time, I'll continue with my efforts.

Whitewolf4869
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 24 2012, 06:25 PM)
You know whats really killing me right now is that by coincidence while all the crazyness in this warp drive thread is going on, someone actually sent me an interesting paper on a warp drive idea a couple of days ago I've been discussing it with, but I can't say whats in it because it may at some point be publishable which is why he wanted me to look at it in the first place. Oh well. And no Mazulu, it has nothing to do with LEDs.

Your going to hold out on us?
Ok the extinction of the human race will be on your head.
We could have had a fighting chance when the Grays attack! sad.gif
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Mar 24 2012, 11:40 AM)
Your going to hold out on us?
Ok the extinction of the human race will be on your head.
We could have had a fighting chance when the Grays attack! sad.gif

lol. You don't need warp drives for attack you need weapons. Seriously, I could tell you how to make star wars rifles for less than 1000 bucks but I'm not going to do that either.
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 24 2012, 11:46 AM)
Howdy.

What are star wars rifles please? Explain as simple as poss for me please! Thankyou.

'bye.

You've never watched star wars?
brucep
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 24 2012, 06:25 PM)
You know whats really killing me right now is that by coincidence while all the crazyness in this warp drive thread is going on, someone actually sent me an interesting paper on a warp drive idea a couple of days ago I've been discussing it with, but I can't say whats in it because it may at some point be publishable which is why he wanted me to look at it in the first place. Oh well. And no Mazulu, it has nothing to do with LEDs.

Can you mention the general focus of the paper? IE what part of the warp drive problem.
Whitewolf4869
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 24 2012, 06:48 PM)
You've never watched star wars?


Didnt you say that the image of the ship would still be there after it went to warp its the invisibility aspect im talking about.
Just drop out of warp and use conventional Nuc's before they know your there. lol
brucep
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 24 2012, 08:40 AM)
Yes, I mean the rest of us, hate hearing Alex and FBM moaning.

Those guys are respected members of this public forum and neither suffer the disconnect with reality that the 85% do. Raise the discussion to an intellectual level and there won't be any need to point out who is a delusional scientific illiterate. What do you think of the 'delusion of grandeur' permeating the 'nonsense posts'?
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 24 2012, 02:43 PM)
The discussion here has cleared up your misunderstanding that causality would be violated by ship's motion though hyperspace or whatever?

Ignoring causality problems is not a solution to the problem.
According to Relativity, faster-than-light travel is essentially time travel. To be honest, I don't fully understand all the implications of Relativity, and I can't recall all the details of how this was explained to me, but one thing's for sure. I don't take scientific advice from people who can't separate fact from fantasy.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 24 2012, 03:39 PM)
Thankyou. It is explained. There is no causality problem. So no ignoring any problem which does not exist in discussion there. Old saying, out of mouths of babes sometimes truth. Maybe dunces too? Thankyou.

Wishful thinking isn't a useful method of scientific discovery.

As for you, what is your point here? Your posts seem to be lacking in substance, except for your rants against religion. What are you here for?
Lasand
Any reports of green laser pointers jumping out of peoples hands when 1064nm is "shifted" to 532nm?

http://blog.gadgettown.com/2010/07/08/how-...-laser-pointer/
Mazulu
Particles and light that fall into the event horizon of a black hole are removed from space-time. Space-time stops at the event horizon. The interior of a black hole is a region of hyperspace.

Emitting shift photons to induce gravity fields
Emitting frequency shift as a means to induce gravity fields is a lot more difficult than it sounds. Even if you had 400 lasers with frequencies 401THz, 402, 403, ... 800THz, shift photon generation is still technically challenging for several reasons.

-First, you have to get the phase of the ith+1 frequency to start at the same phase that the ith frequency stops at.

-Second, all of the frequencies have to emit from the same emission surface area. Otherwise, you're not generating shift photons, your just blinking lights. There are no established methods for doing this.

-Third, you need to flash each frequency for a time period of < 250 microseconds. There are few lasers, if any, that can turn on and off that quickly.

But if you could overcome the technical and philosophical obstacles, and you could acheive this level of optical performance, you could bend space-time to your will. You could induce gravity fields strong enough to escape space-time and enter hyper-space.

When you enter space-time, you can travel superluminally without worrying about paradoxes. When you re-enter space-time, you can use a telescope to watch yourself enter hyper-space. This is a paradox free observation.
Ed Wood
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 06:18 PM)
That's helpful.  I'll take a closer look at these when I get home tonight.  Obviously these instruments don't fly off the table.  Then again, neither do spinning superconductors.  But I think the gravity field generator ability of frequency shift really requires a wide frequency shift in a very short time.  I suggest 400 to 800THz in <100ms, repeatedly, in order to prove the concept.  It's gravitational redshift that makes me think that frequency shift and gravity are coupled to each other. 

I have to give you a pat on the back for being helpful by offering knowledge and reasonable suggestions.  I think it's a shame that this physics website has been overrun by such bad behavior.

Glad to help.

I thought you may like to know how a real life working frequency multiplier works.

I still think the notion of photons warping space is will not work at least outside of matter.

That is why I posted the paper on virtual photons involvement in super conductors.
The REAL not kinetic mass/energy of virtual photons is tuneable and changes with acceleration.

The formula in the paper accurately predicts the transition temperature of high temperature super conductors. Which by the way is no small feat.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 24 2012, 03:52 PM)
I do not rant against religion, I explain what goes wrong with it.

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Religion: Humanity's greatest sin. Animals can be forgiven what they do because they are not equipped for any other behaviour. Humans that do likewise despite having the infinite advantage of social and individual conscience and knowledge of the consequences of their actions are beyond forgiveness when they knowingly behave worse than animals and call it Religion. Such unthinking traitors to scientific understanding and such mockers of even the most minimal human self-awareness are below the level of animals. No amount of religious fantasy can excuse them. Learn to be human, not religious.

That's a rant if I've ever seen one.
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Religion: Humanity's greatest sin. Animals can be forgiven what they do because they are not equipped for any other behaviour. Humans that do likewise despite having the infinite advantage of social and individual conscience and knowledge of the consequences of their actions are beyond forgiveness when they knowingly behave worse than animals and call it Religion. Such unthinking traitors to scientific understanding and such mockers of even the most minimal human self-awareness are below the level of animals. No amount of religious fantasy can excuse them. Learn to be human, not religious.

That's a rant if I've ever seen one.
What is your point here? What are you here for? Thankyou.

I'm here to learn and share what I know. The problem is that most people here don't want to do either, and instead seek approval for their half-cocked "theories."
Mazulu
QUOTE (Ed Wood+Mar 24 2012, 08:13 PM)
Glad to help.

I thought you may like to know how a real life working frequency multiplier works.

I still think the notion of photons warping space is will not work at least outside of matter.

That is why I posted the paper on virtual photons involvement in super conductors.
The REAL not kinetic mass/energy of virtual photons is tuneable and changes with acceleration.

The formula in the paper accurately predicts the transition temperature of high temperature super conductors. Which by the way is no small feat.

Ed,
I was looking at frequency multipliers. It sounds like an interesting technology. Do you know how long it takes to frequency shift?
Mazulu
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 08:21 PM)

That's a rant if I've ever seen one.

I'm here to learn and share what I know. The problem is that most people here don't want to do either, and instead seek approval for their half-cocked "theories."

There comes a point when the scientific community has to take everything it has learned from natural phenomena, and extrapolate to gravity field manipulation.

So either lead, follow, or get out of the way. mad.gif
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 04:11 PM)
Particles and light that fall into the event horizon of a black hole are removed from space-time. Space-time stops at the event horizon. The interior of a black hole is a region of hyperspace.

Do you enjoy making idiotic claims? Do you get a high from being completely and utterly wrong?

When a black hole is formed, it can continue to accrete matter, getting more and more massive. If it was just a hole to "hyperspace" it wouldn't have mass, let alone be able to continue gaining mass.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 04:29 PM)
There comes a point when the scientific community has to take everything it has learned from natural phenomena, and extrapolate to magical pony adventures.

Fixed that for you.
Whitewolf4869
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 24 2012, 08:32 PM)
Do you enjoy making idiotic claims? Do you get a high from being completely and utterly wrong?

When a black hole is formed, it can continue to accrete matter, getting more and more massive. If it was just a hole to "hyperspace" it wouldn't have mass, let alone be able to continue gaining mass.

Now your talking Fly I didn't know you had it in you.
But your absolutely right! wink.gif wink.gif
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 24 2012, 04:41 PM)
Maybe it could be latent effect of what has fallen in before?

I don't think this even qualifies a response.
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If the mass before has been transported to some hyperspace dimensions maybe the mass is not what continues gravity attraction?

What force would you propose? Magic? You don't just throw away mass and expect everything to stay where it is.
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If the mass before has been transported to some hyperspace dimensions maybe the mass is not what continues gravity attraction?

What force would you propose? Magic? You don't just throw away mass and expect everything to stay where it is.
Maybe the mass falling in before starts a spacetime vacuum flow into some hyperspace dimension that continues to drag things into hole and keeps flow going?

What is a "vacuum flow" in space?
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I don't know.

That's a BINGO!
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I don't know.

That's a BINGO!
I am only guessing for making conversation and maybe learning from your answer to my guesses.

Here's a tip: If Mazulu says it, it's probably horrifically wrong.
brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 08:11 PM)
Particles and light that fall into the event horizon of a black hole are removed from space-time.  Space-time stops at the event horizon.  The interior of a black hole is a region of hyperspace.

Emitting shift photons to induce gravity fields
Emitting frequency shift as a means to induce gravity fields is a lot more difficult than it sounds.  Even if you had 400 lasers with frequencies 401THz, 402, 403, ... 800THz, shift photon generation is still technically challenging for several reasons. 

-First, you have to get the phase of the ith+1 frequency to start at the same phase that the ith frequency stops at.

-Second, all of the frequencies have to emit from the same emission surface area.  Otherwise, you're not generating shift photons, your just blinking lights. There are no established methods for doing this.

-Third, you need to flash each frequency for a time period of < 250 microseconds.  There are few lasers, if any, that can turn on and off that quickly. 

But if you could overcome the technical and philosophical obstacles, and you could acheive this level of optical performance, you could bend space-time to your will.  You could induce gravity fields strong enough to escape space-time and enter hyper-space. 

When you enter space-time, you can travel superluminally without worrying about paradoxes.  When you re-enter space-time, you can use a telescope to watch yourself enter hyper-space.  This is a paradox free observation.

That's complete nonsense. I'm sure you find it necessary to believe your nonsense. Nobody else will unless they're as needy for recognition as you. Your shift photon was a really ignorant idea. If you knew the physics you'd be really embarrassed.
brucep
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 25 2012, 12:03 AM)
Howdy.

Thankyou. I understand your answer. Thankyou for explaining. I just guessed what may happen to spacetime when the momentum energy content of infalling mass still falling to singularity or beyond in dimensional transition. I don't know what physics say about how many dimensions inside black hole horizon? Or how many dimensional steps downscale on the way to singularity condition of all mass falling in? Does string theory or multiverse theory say how many dimensions inside black hole or on way down to singularity? Any other theory which says about that inside black holes? Thankyou, I will think about your advice of other members. Are you ok with causation now? Thankyou.

'bye.

You should do some research about the domain of applicability of the classical theory of gravity, GR, and the domain of applicability for the quantum theories which make up the standard model. The domain of applicability for quantum gravity is the black hole singularity at r=0 and the universe, before symmetry breaking, when all the forces of nature were unified. For evaluating the spacetime inside the event horizon, excluding r=0 [the domain of quantum gravity] GR is the theory we use. For instance:

Project F from Edwin Taylor and John A Wheeler 'Exploring Black Holes'.

http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/SpinNEW.pdf

It's a great read even if you can't do the math.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 09:16 PM)
That's complete nonsense. I'm sure you find it necessary to believe your nonsense. Nobody else will unless they're as needy for recognition as you. Your shift photon was a really ignorant idea. If you knew the physics you'd be really embarrassed.

Actually, it looks like the physics community is already moving in this direction. Frequency multipliers are a very good step in the right direction. I think the physics community is about a 100 years away from being able to perform shift photon experiments.

That gives me time to remind everyone that shift photons will lead to the warp drive. It gives me peace of mind to know that the physics community is on track. biggrin.gif
waitedavid137
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 12:01 PM)
Can you mention the general focus of the paper? IE what part of the warp drive problem.

He was compensating for Doppler shift on cosmic rays, but when I calculated the stress-energy tensor for his metric modification found positive energy density terms were added to the negative energy density.
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Investigator+Mar 24 2012, 11:55 AM)
Howdy.

Thankyou. Yes I have. But it is fiction no? Are there real star wars rifles that you know to make? Thankyou.

Yes and its so easy to do with current technology that its kind of amazing that weapons enthusiasts don't all already have one.
Mazulu
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 25 2012, 03:10 AM)
He was compensating for Doppler shift on cosmic rays, but when I calculated the stress-energy tensor for his metric modification found positive energy density terms were added to the negative energy density.

Compensating for Doppler shift? To quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_shift, "...is the change in frequency of a wave for an observer moving relative to the source of the wave. "

I don't know the details of the paper, but it sounds like frequency shift to me.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 24 2012, 09:16 PM)
That's complete nonsense. I'm sure you find it necessary to believe your nonsense. Nobody else will unless they're as needy for recognition as you. Your shift photon was a really ignorant idea. If you knew the physics you'd be really embarrassed.

Brucep says blah blah blah, I'm really not listening to you. But the following is a very good experiment.

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QUOTE (Mazulu @ Mar 24 2012, 08:11 PM)
Particles and light that fall into the event horizon of a black hole are removed from space-time.  Space-time stops at the event horizon.  The interior of a black hole is a region of hyperspace.

Emitting shift photons to induce gravity fields
Emitting frequency shift as a means to induce gravity fields is a lot more difficult than it sounds.  Even if you had 400 lasers with frequencies 401THz, 402, 403, ... 800THz, shift photon generation is still technically challenging for several reasons. 

-First, you have to get the phase of the ith+1 frequency to start at the same phase that the ith frequency stops at.

-Second, all of the frequencies have to emit from the same emission surface area.  Otherwise, you're not generating shift photons, your just blinking lights. There are no established methods for doing this.

-Third, you need to flash each frequency for a time period of < 250 microseconds.  There are few lasers, if any, that can turn on and off that quickly. 

But if you could overcome the technical and philosophical obstacles, and you could acheive this level of optical performance, you could bend space-time to your will.  You could induce gravity fields strong enough to escape space-time and enter hyper-space. 

When you enter space-time, you can travel superluminally without worrying about paradoxes.  When you re-enter space-time, you can use a telescope to watch yourself enter hyper-space.  This is a paradox free observation. 
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 08:11 PM)
-Third, you need to flash each frequency for a time period of < 250 microseconds. There are few lasers, if any, that can turn on and off that quickly.


Odd, we already have laser technology that can deliver 100 attosecond pulses (10^-16 seconds) ? ..... over a trillion times shorter than you've droolingly belched forth.

Exhibit A

Idiot! smile.gif
AlexG
Oh, Good Lord, I've been gone three days and Mazulu seems to have taken a giant leap further towards total ignorance, along with a supporting cast.

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[Moderator: Uncalled for cheese-based remark. Suspended 3 days (yes, I mean it) for bullying the mentally incontinent. (I know what I wrote.)]


rpenner, you have a nice turn of phrase. And it applies to so many here.
Confused1
@Mazulu,

Radar speed guns work using the doppler shifted return beam from the moving vehicle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_gun ). Your task for today is to make the car move by changing the frequency of the radar.

-C2.
synthsin75
QUOTE (Confused1+Mar 25 2012, 08:20 AM)
@Mazulu,

Radar speed guns work using the doppler shifted return beam from the moving vehicle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_gun ). Your task for today is to make the car move by changing the frequency of the radar.

-C2.

laugh.gif I much less herculean task than what he keeps going on about.
Lady Elizabeth
QUOTE (Confused1+Mar 25 2012, 02:20 PM)
@Mazulu,

Radar speed guns work using the doppler shifted return beam from the moving vehicle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_gun ). Your task for today is to make the car move by changing the frequency of the radar.

-C2.

Hey!, C2 ...... am now totally warming to your new-found wit.

Excellent drubbingly cool stuff, man. biggrin.gif
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 24 2012, 09:25 PM)
Compensating for Doppler shift? To quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_shift, "...is the change in frequency of a wave for an observer moving relative to the source of the wave. "

I don't know the details of the paper, but it sounds like frequency shift to me.

I'm talking about the doppler shift on cosmic rays hitting the crew of the ship.
flyingbuttressman
Their seems to be a hierarchy of cranks here.
At the very bottom, we have Mazulu.
Above that, we have people like RobbityBob, who know that Mazulu is nuts, but can't recognize the same ridiculous tendencies in themselves.
Then we have people like RealityCheck, who enable cranks and use their modest reputation to admonish the anti-cranks for giving the cranks a hard time. Of course, this group will probably have one or two pet theories that they've wasted countless hours on and dismiss all criticism because their theory is a "work in progress."

Did I miss anybody?
Robittybob1
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Mar 25 2012, 02:58 PM)
Their seems to be a hierarchy of cranks here.
At the very bottom, we have Mazulu.
Above that, we have people like RobbityBob, who know that Mazulu is nuts, but can't recognize the same ridiculous tendencies in themselves.
Then we have people like RealityCheck, who enable cranks and use their modest reputation to admonish the anti-cranks for giving the cranks a hard time. Of course, this group will probably have one or two pet theories that they've wasted countless hours on and dismiss all criticism because their theory is a "work in progress."

Did I miss anybody?

"Im offended you haven't put me on the top of the pile of nuts.
brucep
QUOTE (AlexG+Mar 25 2012, 12:08 PM)
Oh, Good Lord, I've been gone three days and Mazulu seems to have taken a giant leap further towards total ignorance, along with a supporting cast.



rpenner, you have a nice turn of phrase. And it applies to so many here.

So this must mean physforum actually has a moderator. Looks like he's here to protect those who disrespect the scientific literature and troll the forum with nonsense.
Mazulu
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 25 2012, 02:54 PM)
I'm talking about the doppler shift on cosmic rays hitting the crew of the ship.

waitedavid,
You don't want cosmic rays to hit the crew of your ship; cosmic rays consist of protons, electrons, anti-protons and positrons. They are a health hazard.

QUOTE
Hey!, C2 ...... am now totally warming to your new-found wit.  Excellent drubbingly cool stuff, man. biggrin.gif

Confused1, run away while you still can! Run away or Lady Elizabeth will eat you like a burger & fries.

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QUOTE
Hey!, C2 ...... am now totally warming to your new-found wit.  Excellent drubbingly cool stuff, man. biggrin.gif

Confused1, run away while you still can! Run away or Lady Elizabeth will eat you like a burger & fries.

@Mazulu, Radar speed guns work using the doppler shifted return beam from the moving vehicle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_gun ). Your task for today is to make the car move by changing the frequency of the radar. -C2.

That is one of the hints that frequency shift is some how related to motion. The challenge now is to generate a frequency shift, rapidly and repeatedly, until it generates a measurable acceleration field.

brucep
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 25 2012, 03:10 AM)
He was compensating for Doppler shift on cosmic rays, but when I calculated the stress-energy tensor for his metric modification found positive energy density terms were added to the negative energy density.

Thanks.
Mazulu
QUOTE (Lady Elizabeth+Mar 25 2012, 06:23 AM)
Odd, we already have laser technology that can deliver 100 attosecond pulses (10^-16 seconds) ? ..... over a trillion times shorter than you've droolingly belched forth.

Exhibit A

Idiot!  smile.gif

A little overkill, but that's great!!! Now shrink that down to the size of an IC chip and clock it at 10^18 Hz (which is impossible with current technology). Use that to construct a frequency synthesizer that will output a linear frequency shift of (Y=mX+b ) with b=400THz, m=4x10^17Hz/sec, and a repetition period < 100ms, and you should get a good strong acceleration field.

It will take a couple of decades for the engineering community to create a multi-frequency shift LED that can emit these frequencies. But once they're available, you will tessellate the top and bottom of your spaceship with them. You will eventually have steering controls that, using computer systems, will control the propulsion of your ship by driving sections of tessellated multi-frequency LED's.
brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 26 2012, 12:00 AM)
waitedavid,
You don't want cosmic rays to hit the crew of your ship; cosmic rays consist of protons, electrons, anti-protons and positrons.  They are a health hazard


Confused1, run away while you still can! Run away or Lady Elizabeth will eat you like a burger & fries. 


That is one of the hints that frequency shift is some how related to motion.  The challenge now is to generate a frequency shift, rapidly and repeatedly, until it generates a measurable acceleration field.

What makes you think David wants cosmic rays to hit the crew of a warp ship? You're just trolling 'nonsense interpretations' for what was said. Hopefully the next time your parents take away Internet privileges it'll be permanent.
norgeboy
I have not paid close attention. Warp drive means? Thx.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Mar 26 2012, 12:30 AM)
What makes you think David wants cosmic rays to hit the crew of a warp ship? You're just trolling 'nonsense interpretations' for what was said. Hopefully the next time your parents take away Internet privileges it'll be permanent.

The real key to converting frequency shift into gravity waves (gravity fields) is that the phase, from the highest frequency to the lowest frequency, should be unbroken. Just like in the picture, there is no break in phase from one frequency to the next. The change in frequency has to be large, and the time it takes to emit the shift has to be small; in effect, df/dt has to be as large as possible.
Mazulu
QUOTE (norgeboy+Mar 26 2012, 01:13 AM)
I have not paid close attention. Warp drive means? Thx.

Albert Einstein described gravity as a warp in the space-time continuum. A warp drive is a hypothetical engine (shows up in science fiction) that can produce gravity fields that are so strong, that the spaceship can be made to travel faster than the speed of light. Take a look at the Alcubierre drive.
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 25 2012, 05:00 PM)
waitedavid,
You don't want cosmic rays to hit the crew of your ship; cosmic rays consist of protons, electrons, anti-protons and positrons.

AND gamma rays. And no kidding they're a health hazard. Now imagine them under a high velocity Doppler shift.
Mazulu
QUOTE (waitedavid137+Mar 26 2012, 03:11 AM)
AND gamma rays. And no kidding they're a health hazard. Now imagine them under a high velocity Doppler shift.

Huh? So you're going to detect protons, electrons, positrons, antiprotons and gamma rays with a detector that is moving with a high velocity?
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 26 2012, 03:42 AM)
Huh? So you're going to detect protons, electrons, positrons, antiprotons and gamma rays with a detector that is moving with a high velocity?

The quickest way would be to capture a UFO.

Disable it with powerful star-wars type lasers, and then reverse engineer it determine the secrets of the propulsion.

The thing to work out first is a bit like fishing, you have to work out how to lure then into the trap position.

Would we be able to understand the mechanism from a single sample?
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Mar 26 2012, 07:41 AM)
The quickest way would be to capture a UFO.

Disable it with powerful star-wars type lasers, and then reverse engineer it determine the secrets of the propulsion.

The thing to work out first is a bit like fishing, you have to work out how to lure then into the trap position.

Would we be able to understand the mechanism from a single sample?

Disabling a UFO will not be as easy as you think. Some alien spacecrafts carry defensive capabilities that can disable electronics. As I've tried to explain before, the laws of nature are built upon the speed of light, c, which is the most fundamental and important constant. Do you know about permittivity and permeability of free space?

Permittivity and permeability scale electric and magnetic field strength, respectively. Since permittivity*permeability*c^2 = 1, permittivity and permeability can be changed as long as the whole equation equals 1. The aliens have turned this into an electronics disruptor ray. They can aim it at electronics equipment and cause the electric field strength to change. This results in changes in voltage. When this happens, most sophisticated electronics won't work.

It might be easier just to ask the extraterrestrials for assistance.

Robittybob1
QUOTE

It might be easier just to ask the extraterrestrials for assistance.

Yeah what language do they speak?
It won't be based on Babel you can guarantee that. You need to keep your mind fairly incoherent or else they will read your mind. A couple of nips of Scotch keeps them off your tail. But don't drink and drive!

How do you plan to set up the meeting?
Mazulu
If the scientific community decides that they want help from extraterrestrials with building a warp drive, they should ask for guidance from a higher benevolent power. They should reach out with sincerity and integrity; failing those, then not at all.
Ed Wood
Have you ever woke up with the decidedly Ptolemaic notion that you are being held 9.80665 meters from the center of the universe?
flyingbuttressman
Hint: When you're insane, or close to being insane, you shouldn't try your hand at sarcasm.

I really hope this UFO talk is sarcasm.
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 25 2012, 08:42 PM)
Huh? So you're going to detect protons, electrons, positrons, antiprotons and gamma rays with a detector that is moving with a high velocity?

It has nothing to do with a detector. Apparently you never heard of this issue so I'll explain from the beginning. Most people who have looked at warp drive have only looked at the case of a lapse function of 1 meaning that time runs at the same rate in the ship as it does for the home base from which it warps away. This means that gamma rays and even lower frequency light from stars head on from the front of the ship undergoes ordinary Doppler shift according to those intersectin it in the ship. At high enough warp speed even most starlight becomes Doppler shifted to gamma ray spectrum and this all becomes a Danger to the crew. I'm saying that there are ways of manipulating the spacetime geometry so that this incomming light is gravitationally Doppler shifter toward red by the time it gets into the ship or up to deflective shielding so that it isn't a danger.
waitedavid137
QUOTE (Mazulu+Mar 26 2012, 03:45 AM)
If the scientific community decides that they want help from extraterrestrials with building a warp drive, they should ask for guidance from a higher benevolent power. They should reach out with sincerity and integrity; failing those, then not at all.

Yeah yeah, flase prophet, blah blah.
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