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czeslaw
19th February 2008 - 08:24 AM
Vacuum is filled of virtual particles-antiparticles. They do not disappear when they annihilate. There is a point of the wave function collapse when they meet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function_collapse

Two particles A and B emit the virtual particles-antiparticles (wrinkles of the space). The virtual particle meets antiparticle and the wave collapses. If there isn't enough energy the virtual particle becomes virtual antiparticle and goes back. The virtual particle goes forth after interaction and antiparticle goes in opposite (reverse) direction. If there is enough energy in a point of interaction the real particle-antiparticle is created with an elementary charge. There are 3 particles and 1 antiparticle now which exchange virtual particles-antiparticles. We observe a loop with traveling virtual particles and antiparticles traveling in the same loop in opposite direction.

In the vacuum are only the places where the virtual particles annihilate with the antiparticles. This interaction only needs time. The empty space where virtual particles travel alone does not exist. They interact continously and create a dynamical field for photons.

Curiously the virtual particle have to meet virtual antiparticle just in the fermion particle. The loop has to be synchronized.

In quantum entanglement two entangled photon travel separately on the carrier frequency of the vacuum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entan...of_entanglement
One photon starts with a virtual particle and the other starts with virtual antiparticle. They have opposite spin polarisation. The observer (measuring device) is a part of the loop in the vacuum there. The complete loop contains path of the both photons and the path of the observer together. It has to be a complete closed loop if it is observed. It is not possible to meet (+) and (+) charged virtual particle in a fermion because it has a complete, stable elementar charge. Each photon may have free , spontaneous polarisation but in the complete closed, loop they have to be opposite, because only opposite virtual particles can interact. The device of the observer creates a missing link in the entangled vacuum loop.

It is close to Copenhagen interpretation where the result of the experience depends on observer.
http://www.charge.glt.pl/
AlphaNumeric
19th February 2008 - 10:22 AM
QUOTE (czeslaw+Feb 19 2008, 09:24 AM)
Two particles A and B emit the virtual particles-antiparticles (wrinkles of the space). The virtual particle meets antiparticle and the wave collapses. If there isn't enough energy the virtual particle becomes virtual antiparticle and goes back. The virtual particle goes forth after interaction and antiparticle goes in opposite (reverse) direction. If there is enough energy in a point of interaction the real particle-antiparticle is created with an elementary charge. There are 3 particles and 1 antiparticle now which exchange virtual particles-antiparticles. We observe a loop with traveling virtual particles and antiparticles traveling in the same loop in opposite direction.

It sounds like you're not following the rules of interaction in QFT. Particles A and B cannot just emit any particle/antiparticle pair. There's certain constraints on what particles can do what.

For instance, an electron cannot emit an electron/positron pair directly. Why? Because electrons don't couple to electrons. Instead, an electron would have to emit a photon first (since electrons interact with photons) and then that photon can turn into an electron/positron pair.

Loop processes, involving virtual particles, are extremely complicated and you can't just wave your arms and say "And this happens" unless you've got a very good grasp of QFT. If Feynman said it, I'd trust his intuitive grasp of QED. If a college freshman said it, I'd be dubious.

Can you draw the Feynman diagram for your described process? There's a number of rules which tell you how to construct Feynman diagrams and fermionic loops are something you need to be particularly careful about.
czeslaw
19th February 2008 - 12:54 PM
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Feb 19 2008, 10:22 AM)
It sounds like you're not following the rules of interaction in QFT. Particles A and B cannot just emit any particle/antiparticle pair. There's certain constraints on what particles can do what.

For instance, an electron cannot emit an electron/positron pair directly. Why? Because electrons don't couple to electrons. Instead, an electron would have to emit a photon first (since electrons interact with photons) and then that photon can turn into an electron/positron pair.

Loop processes, involving virtual particles, are extremely complicated and you can't just wave your arms and say "And this happens" unless you've got a very good grasp of QFT. If Feynman said it, I'd trust his intuitive grasp of QED. If a college freshman said it, I'd be dubious.

Can you draw the Feynman diagram for your described process? There's a number of rules which tell you how to construct Feynman diagrams and fermionic loops are something you need to be particularly careful about.

You right - The particle can not emit particle-antiparticle pair.
I wrote the particle emit virtual particle-antiparticle pair. Do you know what is virtual particle ? I don't know.

There are quarks in the proton. Do you know what is a charge of quark ? We know, that sum of their charge is an elementary charge.

My assumption is that virtual particle is just a distortion in the space - it is like in Quantum Loop Gravity, not in String Theory. There isn't a space distortion in ST.

There are gravitons in ST. Do you know what is it ?
You may imagine gravitons fill all the space with density according to the mass of the particle. Every particle emits one graviton for each revolution. After 2 pi rotation the wave of the particle changes its sign and I assume there is (-) graviton emitted then. Gravitons move in perfect empty space like tachion - so they are in the moment of the interaction only and perfect empty space does not exist. Every gravitons (+) and (-) are interacting always. They jump from one interaction to another.

If they interact (+) and (-) the space is neutral there.
(+) can't couple to (+). That way every disturbation in the neutral plasma causes an opposite a movement.

Loop processes, involving virtual particles, are extremely complicated and I don't know their way in the space.
My assumption is, that Loop of entangled particles has to be closed if it is observed. An observer is a part of the closed loop.

mott.carl
19th February 2008 - 01:22 PM
czelaw-these closed loops produced by particles-antiparticles,could permit to observers "seen" the process of a physical event occur before of be emitted? or
these distortions in the space would appear as "holes",it is the absorption of the
antiparticles.then appear the nonconservation of energy,by shortest instants to the
oberver into the closed loop,being that the miror images generate new continuos spacetimes,therefore in that time-like coordinate,the transformations by chirality,violate the operator T,and CP is conserved.when the transpositions between particles and antiparticles changing the direction in the spacetime-forward in PT and backward in -PT is made with speeds greater than speed of light,
then the spins-that is potential energy-carry the tachyons-then the conservation of energy is restaured,when the rotation by 4pi is realized.
the rotational invariance in 4-dimensions is broken,but the rotational symmetry is restaured in 8dimensions,with split-octonions.then the solutions to the transformations of lorentz ,here is nonlinear,that implies the quantum,as distortions of spacetime continuum to level trans-planck constant.
czeslaw
19th February 2008 - 02:52 PM
QUOTE (mott.carl+Feb 19 2008, 01:22 PM)
czelaw-these closed loops produced by particles-antiparticles,could permit to observers "seen" the process of a physical event occur before of be emitted? or
these distortions in the space would appear as "holes",it is the absorption of the
antiparticles.then appear the nonconservation of energy,by shortest instants to the
oberver into the closed loop,being that the miror images generate new continuos spacetimes,therefore in that time-like coordinate,the transformations by chirality,violate the operator T,and CP is conserved.when the transpositions between particles and antiparticles changing the direction in the spacetime-forward in PT and backward in -PT is made with speeds greater than speed of light,
then the spins-that is potential energy-carry the tachyons-then the conservation of energy is restaured,when the rotation by 4pi is realized.
the rotational invariance in 4-dimensions is broken,but the rotational symmetry is restaured in 8dimensions,with split-octonions.then the solutions to the transformations of lorentz ,here is nonlinear,that implies the quantum,as distortions of spacetime continuum to level trans-planck constant.

In my idea the vacuum loop consists of a chain where in its links (quanta) interact the virtual particles and antiparticles. A photon is a distortion in the Chain. This distortion (photon) moves along the loop with a speed of light.

The values of some measurable variables of a system, most notably the total energy of a bounded system, can attain only certain discrete values determined by the system. (The smallest possible jumps in the values of those observables are called "quanta" (Latin quantum, quantity), hence the name quantum mechanics.) http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

The interaction in one quanta needs a time, then it jumps to another quanta - forth and back. It is not in time, it is in the space.

There is energy conservation in a closed system if there is a constant number of the particle-antiparticle.The distortions in the space would appear as "holes",it is the absorption of the antiparticles. Then appear the nonconservation of energy,by shortest instants to the oberver into the closed loop,being that the miror images generate new continuos spacetimes.

There is a group velocity greater than the speed of light, but it doesn't carry an information.

I have to consider your idea in the higher 8 dimensions. May be I do not understand it exactly.
czeslaw
20th February 2008 - 08:24 AM
Vacuum Quantum Gravity predicts a cloud of the virtual particles around the mass particle. This cloud has its own relativistic mass. The virtual particles may create loops in the cloud. VQG claims Dark Matter effect is due to relativistic mass of the Vacuum close to mass.

How do you think VQG explains the Bullet Cluster Dark Matter evidence ?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0608...ark_matter.html

MOND and Moffat have their own proposition:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0702/0702146v3.pdf

Could be Dark Matter a cloud of the Vacuum near the Galaxy ?
AlphaNumeric
20th February 2008 - 10:22 AM
QUOTE (czeslaw+Feb 20 2008, 09:24 AM)
Vacuum Quantum Gravity predicts a cloud of the virtual particles around the mass particle. This cloud has its own relativistic mass.

QFT already predicts such a thing, it's responsible for renormalising the bare mass and charge of things like electrons. And QFT is superior to your idea in that it's quantative as well as qualitative, it gives the ability to precisely compute the effect such shielding will have on physics.

And since such an effect doesn't explain dark matter, I doubt your idea does either.
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My assumption is that virtual particle is just a distortion in the space - it is like in Quantum Loop Gravity, not in String Theory. There isn't a space distortion in ST.
Yes, there is a space distortion in string theory. Any theory which works with a GR framework will describe spacial distortions. That's what the graviton in string theory is. And unlike every other theory involving gravity, string theory derives the existence of the graviton naturally, it requires the graviton to work. Every other theory needs to have gravity put in by physicists.
czeslaw
20th February 2008 - 03:33 PM
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Feb 20 2008, 10:22 AM)
QFT already predicts such a thing, it's responsible for renormalising the bare mass and charge of things like electrons. And QFT is superior to your idea in that it's quantative as well as qualitative, it gives the ability to precisely compute the effect such shielding will have on physics.

And since such an effect doesn't explain dark matter, I doubt your idea does either.
Yes.
Yes, there is a space distortion in string theory. Any theory which works with a GR framework will describe spacial distortions. That's what the graviton in string theory is. And unlike every other theory involving gravity, string theory derives the existence of the graviton naturally, it requires the graviton to work. Every other theory needs to have gravity put in by physicists.

Thank you for reply.
I am not so familiar with String Theory. Is it possible that gravitons fill the whole space and are a carrier frequency for photons ?
In Quantum Vacuum Gravity such gravitons create the gravitational field. This vacuum field stretches photons and we observe gravitational time dilation.
In relativistic motion relatively to the gravitational field (vacuum) causes relativistic time dilation and length contraction.
There is a relativistic velocity of a muon in Earth's GF but a galaxy cluster with z=2 moves only relative velocity because a cosmic expansion.

In VQG such a graviton is a distortion of the space and it has its own energy (very small) and relativistic mass. A photon hasn't its own energy but photon causes compression of the gravitons. There is higher vacuum density. Higher density means more potential energy (virtual particles are particles of the potential enerrgy).

In VQG relativistic energy and mass interacts gravitationally. It causes a Dark Matter effect.

Close to a Black Hole is a strong gravity and dense vacuum. There are many virtual particles in one point. It is neutral point because charged virtual particles jumps from one point of the interaction to another immediatelly. If there is a magnetic moment the virtual particles and antiparticles may be seperated. In a dense vacuum it is real particle-antiparticle creation then.
It is made in collisin of the relativistic particles too.

The Higgs field is naturally created close to Black Hole. The particles of the potential energy (virtual particles of vacuum) are transformed in the particles of the kinetic energy with a rest mass.

There is a natural protection against a superdense singularity. The potential energy particles in very high density are transformed in the kinetic energy particles and they have Pauli exclusion principle and centrifugal force.
Everything is good created.
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