Perpetual Motion power generators? That thing never works. They look good on paper but there is always some force that has been overlooked.
Could someone tell me how to paste a scaned image into the post box? The schematic drawing has been inserted and croped in a microsoft word document however when I click copy and past it doesnt apear in the physorg post box.
Since we can't cut and past schematic drawings from Microsoft word we are just going to have to visualize it in our minds as i describe building it.
Take two powerful rare earth magnets that are long rectangles. Next machine a positive and negative pole of the magnet so that a on inch Copper ball bearing could swivel between the two poles of the rare earth magnets. Next cut the copper ball-bearing in half and machine out some of the copper diameter slice so that the copper ball becomes a cathode and anode separated by plastic. Next drill a hole through the plastic vein so that the copper semi-spheres are separated by plastic semi-circles.
Next make two plastic semicircular containers that will have the magnet-copper assemblage inserted into. Next make some plastic semi-circular wedges that will be inserted into the semicircular containers: the shape of a crescent moon cut in half.
Assemble the apparatus and make 10 more of such. They will be layered side by side like button batteries plus to minus with their swiveling copper anodes/cathodes.
Next remember that these will function like an arrangement of angled hour-glasses and have to be timed with the precision of V-12 camshaft.
The plastic semi-circular containers have a crescent semi-circular wedgies making the interior of the containers something like a tear drop shape cut in half. However in the opposite of each-others directions.
When assembled the the two containers would be like a disc container with a potential internal volume overbalance of 30 degrees clockwise.
Liquid Mercury would be poured into one of the semi-circular containers of each disc hour-glass. They would be precision aligned like the radial-orbital drive-shaft of a propeller plane with timing valves in-place.
The rotating cylinder of discs plus to minus would generate electricity from the flow of mercury between the rare earth magnets. Flowing though the copper ball anode/cathode that would swivel to accommodate the progressive sequential 30 degree tilt in each disc cell from the volume overbalance in each semi-circular containers center of gravity.
Take two powerful rare earth magnets that are long rectangles. Next machine a positive and negative pole of the magnet so that a on inch Copper ball bearing could swivel between the two poles of the rare earth magnets. Next cut the copper ball-bearing in half and machine out some of the copper diameter slice so that the copper ball becomes a cathode and anode separated by plastic. Next drill a hole through the plastic vein so that the copper semi-spheres are separated by plastic semi-circles.
Next make two plastic semicircular containers that will have the magnet-copper assemblage inserted into. Next make some plastic semi-circular wedges that will be inserted into the semicircular containers: the shape of a crescent moon cut in half.
Assemble the apparatus and make 10 more of such. They will be layered side by side like button batteries plus to minus with their swiveling copper anodes/cathodes.
Next remember that these will function like an arrangement of angled hour-glasses and have to be timed with the precision of V-12 camshaft.
The plastic semi-circular containers have a crescent semi-circular wedgies making the interior of the containers something like a tear drop shape cut in half. However in the opposite of each-others directions.
When assembled the the two containers would be like a disc container with a potential internal volume overbalance of 30 degrees clockwise.
Liquid Mercury would be poured into one of the semi-circular containers of each disc hour-glass. They would be precision aligned like the radial-orbital drive-shaft of a propeller plane with timing valves in-place.
The rotating cylinder of discs plus to minus would generate electricity from the flow of mercury between the rare earth magnets. Flowing though the copper ball anode/cathode that would swivel to accommodate the progressive sequential 30 degree tilt in each disc cell from the volume overbalance in each semi-circular containers center of gravity.
The apparatus is capable of generating power. Could it do it perpetually is Disc-us-sable. However given that a revolvable 7 foot diameter apparatus was built. it would be such a well aligned counterbalancing arrangement of crescent hourglasses that a child or small woman could manually rotate it to the next 30 degree power generating position.
QUOTE (momentito+Jan 10 2008, 06:47 AM)
Perpetual Motion power generators? That thing never works. They look good on paper but there is always some force that has been overlooked.
Let now consider one DISC seven foot in diameter. Like I said there is always some force that has been overlooked, but what?
Friction to begin with. The swiveling Copper-Ball assemblage between the two rare earth magnets won't swivel because of the ton of Mercury pushing down on it from the top semi-circular container.
Observation, the disc revolves around the +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Copper anode/cathode assembly.
Consider the two magnets in your mind as horizontally spaced with variable spacing within the circular disc. In place of the copper ball we could put two long rectangular copper rods vertically in the disc to be cathode and anode making something that loos like a cross in a circle. The copper rods would be insulated at to points where they touch and hold apart the two rare earth magnets. Mercury would flow between the rods freely at whatever angle. The rods would provide a sturdy metal frame to build upon the central revolving axis shaft.
Let now consider one DISC seven foot in diameter. Like I said there is always some force that has been overlooked, but what?
Friction to begin with. The swiveling Copper-Ball assemblage between the two rare earth magnets won't swivel because of the ton of Mercury pushing down on it from the top semi-circular container.
Observation, the disc revolves around the +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Copper anode/cathode assembly.
Consider the two magnets in your mind as horizontally spaced with variable spacing within the circular disc. In place of the copper ball we could put two long rectangular copper rods vertically in the disc to be cathode and anode making something that loos like a cross in a circle. The copper rods would be insulated at to points where they touch and hold apart the two rare earth magnets. Mercury would flow between the rods freely at whatever angle. The rods would provide a sturdy metal frame to build upon the central revolving axis shaft.
We can now clearly visualize the 3 dimensional apparatus.
Next to analyze the physics forces. That can be achieve by thinking of the disc's in 2D flatland space. Imagine a circle with 12 diametric lines draw through the center of the circle. Each triangle from the center is 30 degrees. In 2D area = volume =mass. Remembering that the semi-circular containers of area have area overbalance because of internal design that would cause a tilt 30 degrees clockwise. So you can think of the 30 degrees slices as having a shadowy extra 15 degrees overlap of the next 30 degree slice of the pie in 2D flatland.
However think in terms of 12 x 30 degree pie slices. The 2D circle is perfectly balanced with its 12 areas of mass (mercury)
When the mass area from the top container drains to the bottom container there is a mass tilt of 30 degrees because of the internal curvature of the real discs. Next the second top disc drains it area into the bottom disc. Huston we have a problem. The area of mercury it the top part of the circle is less than the area of mercury in the bottom half of the circle. The circle achieve equilibrium and tilts further but less than an additional 30 degrease from the internal curvature. Forces of the areas of mercury momentum flowing down are negating any angular momentum developing. The vector of flow of area momentum is in the opposite direction to the revolving rise that we are attempting to produce.
Let this be a less to kid's about mechanical perpetual motion machines.
Like i said the look great on paper but there are always forces overlooked.
Perhaps with superconductors magnetically shielding revolving magnets there cold be some potential in the revolving perpetual motion generator
Next to analyze the physics forces. That can be achieve by thinking of the disc's in 2D flatland space. Imagine a circle with 12 diametric lines draw through the center of the circle. Each triangle from the center is 30 degrees. In 2D area = volume =mass. Remembering that the semi-circular containers of area have area overbalance because of internal design that would cause a tilt 30 degrees clockwise. So you can think of the 30 degrees slices as having a shadowy extra 15 degrees overlap of the next 30 degree slice of the pie in 2D flatland.
However think in terms of 12 x 30 degree pie slices. The 2D circle is perfectly balanced with its 12 areas of mass (mercury)
When the mass area from the top container drains to the bottom container there is a mass tilt of 30 degrees because of the internal curvature of the real discs. Next the second top disc drains it area into the bottom disc. Huston we have a problem. The area of mercury it the top part of the circle is less than the area of mercury in the bottom half of the circle. The circle achieve equilibrium and tilts further but less than an additional 30 degrease from the internal curvature. Forces of the areas of mercury momentum flowing down are negating any angular momentum developing. The vector of flow of area momentum is in the opposite direction to the revolving rise that we are attempting to produce.
Let this be a less to kid's about mechanical perpetual motion machines.
Like i said the look great on paper but there are always forces overlooked.
Perhaps with superconductors magnetically shielding revolving magnets there cold be some potential in the revolving perpetual motion generator
QUOTE (momentito+Jan 12 2008, 08:26 AM)
We can now clearly visualize the 3 dimensional apparatus.
Next to analyze the physics forces. That can be achieve by thinking of the disc's in 2D flatland space. Imagine a circle with 12 diametric lines draw through the center of the circle. Each triangle from the center is 30 degrees. In 2D area = volume =mass. Remembering that the semi-circular containers of area have area overbalance because of internal design that would cause a tilt 30 degrees clockwise. So you can think of the 30 degrees slices as having a shadowy extra 15 degrees overlap of the next 30 degree slice of the pie in 2D flatland.
However think in terms of 12 x 30 degree pie slices. The 2D circle is perfectly balanced with its 12 areas of mass (mercury)
When the mass area from the top container drains to the bottom container there is a mass tilt of 30 degrees because of the internal curvature of the real discs. Next the second top disc drains it area into the bottom disc. Huston we have a problem. The area of mercury it the top part of the circle is less than the area of mercury in the bottom half of the circle. The circle achieve equilibrium and tilts further but less than an additional 30 degrease from the internal curvature. Forces of the areas of mercury momentum flowing down are negating any angular momentum developing. The vector of flow of area momentum is in the opposite direction to the revolving rise that we are attempting to produce.
The device is both to complex and too simplistic to prove much. Removing the rare earth magnets that are expensive and using water in place of toxic mercury would make the device easier to think about and make a model.
When the second disc starts filling up with water they find a center of balance between them preventing another tilt of ten degrees because there is no flow between the contained disc's. However a complete 360 degree revolution may be possible until it stops with most of the water in the last disc. We have be considering this in 2D flat land geometry. To perhaps resolve the problem we have to think of it in higher dimensions. Consider the revolving disc's like a necklace connected with universal joints. As the second disc fills up with water the initial disc transfers its counter balancing mass to a semicircle in a lower position. The mathematics is to complicated to think about without schematic drawings. It's just a hunch and as was said there are always forces that are overlooked that lead to disappointment.
Next to analyze the physics forces. That can be achieve by thinking of the disc's in 2D flatland space. Imagine a circle with 12 diametric lines draw through the center of the circle. Each triangle from the center is 30 degrees. In 2D area = volume =mass. Remembering that the semi-circular containers of area have area overbalance because of internal design that would cause a tilt 30 degrees clockwise. So you can think of the 30 degrees slices as having a shadowy extra 15 degrees overlap of the next 30 degree slice of the pie in 2D flatland.
However think in terms of 12 x 30 degree pie slices. The 2D circle is perfectly balanced with its 12 areas of mass (mercury)
When the mass area from the top container drains to the bottom container there is a mass tilt of 30 degrees because of the internal curvature of the real discs. Next the second top disc drains it area into the bottom disc. Huston we have a problem. The area of mercury it the top part of the circle is less than the area of mercury in the bottom half of the circle. The circle achieve equilibrium and tilts further but less than an additional 30 degrease from the internal curvature. Forces of the areas of mercury momentum flowing down are negating any angular momentum developing. The vector of flow of area momentum is in the opposite direction to the revolving rise that we are attempting to produce.
The device is both to complex and too simplistic to prove much. Removing the rare earth magnets that are expensive and using water in place of toxic mercury would make the device easier to think about and make a model.
When the second disc starts filling up with water they find a center of balance between them preventing another tilt of ten degrees because there is no flow between the contained disc's. However a complete 360 degree revolution may be possible until it stops with most of the water in the last disc. We have be considering this in 2D flat land geometry. To perhaps resolve the problem we have to think of it in higher dimensions. Consider the revolving disc's like a necklace connected with universal joints. As the second disc fills up with water the initial disc transfers its counter balancing mass to a semicircle in a lower position. The mathematics is to complicated to think about without schematic drawings. It's just a hunch and as was said there are always forces that are overlooked that lead to disappointment.
QUOTE (momentito+Jan 12 2008, 08:26 AM)
Perhaps with superconductors magnetically shielding revolving magnets there cold be some potential in the revolving perpetual motion generator
Consider a iron flywheel. Under the flywheel is a magnet. The magnetic field attracts the whole flywheel so it doesn't spin. However if a super conductor was place halfway under the center it would reflect the magnetic fields from affecting that half of the center of gravity (magnetically speaking; equilibrium).
Why wouldn't it spin? If the half of the flywheel being affected makes the whole flywheel magnetic remember that the superconductor blocking the magnetic fields would be pushing up the obstructed sides magnetic field.
Perhaps a flywheel made from semiconductor material that could be given a static charge could be used with the position of the bulk of the charge controlled electrically by the semiconductor to make it spin in the presence of the magnet and superconductor. I haven't got any such materials to play around with so it's hard to say what would happen, except the educated knowledge `You can't get something for nothing in physics'
Consider a iron flywheel. Under the flywheel is a magnet. The magnetic field attracts the whole flywheel so it doesn't spin. However if a super conductor was place halfway under the center it would reflect the magnetic fields from affecting that half of the center of gravity (magnetically speaking; equilibrium).
Why wouldn't it spin? If the half of the flywheel being affected makes the whole flywheel magnetic remember that the superconductor blocking the magnetic fields would be pushing up the obstructed sides magnetic field.
Perhaps a flywheel made from semiconductor material that could be given a static charge could be used with the position of the bulk of the charge controlled electrically by the semiconductor to make it spin in the presence of the magnet and superconductor. I haven't got any such materials to play around with so it's hard to say what would happen, except the educated knowledge `You can't get something for nothing in physics'
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