I have seen some ufo's, one was a brite dot moving fast, then it got smaller, and dimmer, until it disappeared. I thought at first it was a shooting star, but it did not burn.
Many people claim to have been taken, and don't forget area 51.
Ta-ta
I do believe there are others, perhaps on Mars. Do you think they will come to us?
I have seen some ufo's, one was a brite dot moving fast, then it got smaller, and dimmer, until it disappeared. I thought at first it was a shooting star, but it did not burn.
Many people claim to have been taken, and don't forget area 51.
Ta-ta
I have seen some ufo's, one was a brite dot moving fast, then it got smaller, and dimmer, until it disappeared. I thought at first it was a shooting star, but it did not burn.
Many people claim to have been taken, and don't forget area 51.
Ta-ta
While the existence of extra-terrestrial life is a statistical near-certainty, the immensity of interstellar space makes even a single visit to our planet unlikely, even if one can invoke some mechanism for faster than light travel. To think that we'd be of any interest to a civilzation able to traverse interstellar space is laughably egocentric and quaint. To think that we'd be the subject of repeated visits, kidnapping, mating and anal probing is just...silly. I'd like nothing than to have a sit-down with ET, but I don't think he'd be much interested.
They wouldent really have to go faster than the speed of light, only bend space-time or some other undiscovered method.... i've seen somthing quite freaky and it was more than just a little moving dot, although i have seen one of those dots as well... wich normally can go backwards, forward, up and down, quite smoothly and instantly... course, at that distance, i couldent say if it was a UFO or simply NASA messing with a new toy, but i know satellites move linear, constant speed, comets and shooting stars are easy to spot too, but i've seen somthing quite diffrent.... usually by accident, everytime i actually look, i see nothing, hehe....
Anyways, one day, i was chillin outside having a smoke, and i was ironicly, near farm land, more bush on my side, but across the road was a large feild... as i was smoking, somthing looked a little weird... in the distance there was clear sky, stars and all, no clouds in sight, cept for this one darkspot over the feild, i just assumed it was a cloud, so nothing strange there i guess, but then, i saw some red light, on the groud in the feild, no beam coming from above or anything, but like a those laser pens... it just was a little dimmer, but way larger, maybe about 24" round, yea, it was round! the only reason i spotted it was cause it was moving twoards me, at a mid pace, and it shined right on top of me as it passed by... and i looked up and didnt see nothing but somthing dark going with it. starting at a distance of maybe 1/4 mile.... i didnt "move" out of the way cause i was a little freaked out, and excited and curiouse at the same time... But that was it, i ran inside pretty freaked, called a couple ppl, then ran back out to see if i could see it in the distance over my house or somthing, but it was gone by then...
I wish i could replay the whole thing to make sure i wasent imagining, but it seemed pretty real to me, and i dont think i was abducted hehe.... course, it could still be NASA playing with some new toy... but a very "soundless" toy i might add...
Perhaps they were abducting cows
lol...
oh yah, this was at night, maybe 10pm eastern, no daylight, hehe.
Hi 555Joshua, Guest(s)? and stephenclark1@mac.com,
There really probably is no need to ask "neighbors" to travel the vast apparent distances from the stars we see in the night sky. If current theories are right our entire universe is like an atomic speck among vast numbers of such specks that would lie inside a single grain of sand on your doorstep. Who is to say that technology does not exist in so many Universes that could not be counted within sneezing distance of your nose. The real question is why make such an effort since the benefits to them would be equally pointless. Is it "conquest"?... why bother when there would be so much to choose from. No... it would be far more philosophical than that... It would be to meet us.
Now what would we do in response to such magnamous acts of pure altruism? The question would then be not if there was intelligent life in the Universe but is there intelligent life on Earth?
Cheers
There really probably is no need to ask "neighbors" to travel the vast apparent distances from the stars we see in the night sky. If current theories are right our entire universe is like an atomic speck among vast numbers of such specks that would lie inside a single grain of sand on your doorstep. Who is to say that technology does not exist in so many Universes that could not be counted within sneezing distance of your nose. The real question is why make such an effort since the benefits to them would be equally pointless. Is it "conquest"?... why bother when there would be so much to choose from. No... it would be far more philosophical than that... It would be to meet us.
Now what would we do in response to such magnamous acts of pure altruism? The question would then be not if there was intelligent life in the Universe but is there intelligent life on Earth?
Cheers
QUOTE (stephenclark1@mac.com+Jul 1 2005, 05:10 PM)
While the existence of extra-terrestrial life is a statistical near-certainty, the immensity of interstellar space makes even a single visit to our planet unlikely, even if one can invoke some mechanism for faster than light travel. To think that we'd be of any interest to a civilzation able to traverse interstellar space is laughably egocentric and quaint. To think that we'd be the subject of repeated visits, kidnapping, mating and anal probing is just...silly. I'd like nothing than to have a sit-down with ET, but I don't think he'd be much interested.
Do we not dissect, clone, alter , capture, release, eat lower life forms ?
Do we not enslave the enslavable. In times past by force and in present through economics and information control, control of education.
Do we not invade lands and force out the weak or passive and claim it as our own ?
At the expense of impoverished nations do we not spend fortunes travelling to mars for a piece of rock?
In our current primitive state as beings are we not still greedy, abusive, wastefull, arrogant?
I think your a bit hasty in your assessment.
If the most highly evolved of this planet are guilty of greed, abuse of their planet and peers why expect that a higher evolution does not make things worse in this regard?
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To think that we'd be of any interest to a civilzation able to traverse interstellar space is laughably egocentric and quaint.
Do we not dissect, clone, alter , capture, release, eat lower life forms ?
Do we not enslave the enslavable. In times past by force and in present through economics and information control, control of education.
Do we not invade lands and force out the weak or passive and claim it as our own ?
At the expense of impoverished nations do we not spend fortunes travelling to mars for a piece of rock?
In our current primitive state as beings are we not still greedy, abusive, wastefull, arrogant?
I think your a bit hasty in your assessment.
If the most highly evolved of this planet are guilty of greed, abuse of their planet and peers why expect that a higher evolution does not make things worse in this regard?
I think it's a matter of time before we get contact, so many people already have.
Ta-ta
Ta-ta
Personally i can see the merits of little green men traveling 235223263423 light years for a chance to give us the ol' anal probe. Hell... if they came that far.... they damn well deserve a peek in the back door
"We come in peace.... and for a peek.... "
"We come in peace.... and for a peek.... "
Friends,
What could they possibly learn from sticking a flashlight up my a**? What I eat? Hell, if that's the case, they could just watch me eat it!!! It may be sexual behavior.
I should have made this a pole: Is there anyone out there?
Yes
No
Yeah, Donald Trump. What's up with his hair?!?
Ta-ta
What could they possibly learn from sticking a flashlight up my a**? What I eat? Hell, if that's the case, they could just watch me eat it!!! It may be sexual behavior.
I should have made this a pole: Is there anyone out there?
Yes
No
Yeah, Donald Trump. What's up with his hair?!?
Ta-ta
Friends,
First, I might have an explination for the anal probing. Maybe it's those teenagers, and they want to have some fun on the weekend, you know how teens are.
Lastnight I saw a U.F.O! It was a small bright star moving across the sky. At first I thought it was a jet, but it was too high to be moving at that speed. Then I thought it was a satellite, but then I thought, if it were, then I could see all of the satellites as they zoom over the earth's atmosphere.
What do you think it was?
Ta-ta
First, I might have an explination for the anal probing. Maybe it's those teenagers, and they want to have some fun on the weekend, you know how teens are.
Lastnight I saw a U.F.O! It was a small bright star moving across the sky. At first I thought it was a jet, but it was too high to be moving at that speed. Then I thought it was a satellite, but then I thought, if it were, then I could see all of the satellites as they zoom over the earth's atmosphere.
What do you think it was?
Ta-ta
The most evident sign there exists extraterrestrial intelligence out there is that it never tried to contact us.
Yeah, what would they have to say to us?
"Greetings earthlings, we come to kill you all."
"Greetings earthlings, we come to kill you all."
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Do we not dissect, clone, alter , capture, release, eat lower life forms ?
Do we not enslave the enslavable. In times past by force and in present through economics and information control, control of education.
Do we not invade lands and force out the weak or passive and claim it as our own ?
At the expense of impoverished nations do we not spend fortunes travelling to mars for a piece of rock?
In our current primitive state as beings are we not still greedy, abusive, wastefull, arrogant?
I think your a bit hasty in your assessment.
If the most highly evolved of this planet are guilty of greed, abuse of their planet and peers why expect that a higher evolution does not make things worse in this regard?
Do we not enslave the enslavable. In times past by force and in present through economics and information control, control of education.
Do we not invade lands and force out the weak or passive and claim it as our own ?
At the expense of impoverished nations do we not spend fortunes travelling to mars for a piece of rock?
In our current primitive state as beings are we not still greedy, abusive, wastefull, arrogant?
I think your a bit hasty in your assessment.
If the most highly evolved of this planet are guilty of greed, abuse of their planet and peers why expect that a higher evolution does not make things worse in this regard?
I agree just because they have better technology doesnt mean they arent just as bad as we are.
also its more of a question of what would we do when it comes to contact since we have no real way of knowing what they might be thinking.
So we would either.
A. Leave them alone and watch from afar and not make the same mistakes we did when we cross the atlantic.
B. Say hello, and your not alone.
C. Say hello and cause some screw up and go to war.
For the rest look at sci-fi, it maybe fiction one day but it could be real the next.
QUOTE (555Joshua+Jul 8 2005, 11:30 AM)
Friends,
First, I might have an explination for the anal probing. Maybe it's those teenagers, and they want to have some fun on the weekend, you know how teens are.
Lastnight I saw a U.F.O! It was a small bright star moving across the sky. At first I thought it was a jet, but it was too high to be moving at that speed. Then I thought it was a satellite, but then I thought, if it were, then I could see all of the satellites as they zoom over the earth's atmosphere.
What do you think it was?
Ta-ta
Well it could be an experimental aircraft, we do have objects that fly that high at that speed.
But it could also be a an ExtraTerrestrial craft, theres no actual way of knowing unless you check the records of every airport and base in your area.
First, I might have an explination for the anal probing. Maybe it's those teenagers, and they want to have some fun on the weekend, you know how teens are.
Lastnight I saw a U.F.O! It was a small bright star moving across the sky. At first I thought it was a jet, but it was too high to be moving at that speed. Then I thought it was a satellite, but then I thought, if it were, then I could see all of the satellites as they zoom over the earth's atmosphere.
What do you think it was?
Ta-ta
Well it could be an experimental aircraft, we do have objects that fly that high at that speed.
But it could also be a an ExtraTerrestrial craft, theres no actual way of knowing unless you check the records of every airport and base in your area.
CyberStrike,
When I said teenagers, I meant ExtraTerrestrial teenagers. Sorry for the mixup.
Ah yes, it could be, since that was the thing in the 1960s.
Ta-ta
When I said teenagers, I meant ExtraTerrestrial teenagers. Sorry for the mixup.
QUOTE
Well it could be an experimental aircraft, we do have objects that fly that high at that speed.
Ah yes, it could be, since that was the thing in the 1960s.
Ta-ta
QUOTE (Good Elf+Jul 4 2005, 01:35 AM)
Hi 555Joshua, Guest(s)? and stephenclark1@mac.com,
There really probably is no need to ask "neighbors" to travel the vast apparent distances from the stars we see in the night sky. If current theories are right our entire universe is like an atomic speck among vast numbers of such specks that would lie inside a single grain of sand on your doorstep. Who is to say that technology does not exist in so many Universes that could not be counted within sneezing distance of your nose. The real question is why make such an effort since the benefits to them would be equally pointless. Is it "conquest"?... why bother when there would be so much to choose from. No... it would be far more philosophical than that... It would be to meet us.
Now what would we do in response to such magnamous acts of pure altruism? The question would then be not if there was intelligent life in the Universe but is there intelligent life on Earth?
Cheers
The answer to that question is the biggest, baddest and most well funded arms race in the history of the human specie.
There really probably is no need to ask "neighbors" to travel the vast apparent distances from the stars we see in the night sky. If current theories are right our entire universe is like an atomic speck among vast numbers of such specks that would lie inside a single grain of sand on your doorstep. Who is to say that technology does not exist in so many Universes that could not be counted within sneezing distance of your nose. The real question is why make such an effort since the benefits to them would be equally pointless. Is it "conquest"?... why bother when there would be so much to choose from. No... it would be far more philosophical than that... It would be to meet us.
Now what would we do in response to such magnamous acts of pure altruism? The question would then be not if there was intelligent life in the Universe but is there intelligent life on Earth?
Cheers
The answer to that question is the biggest, baddest and most well funded arms race in the history of the human specie.
Friends,
So basicly what you are saying is that we are all idiots?
Come on! Tell me something I don't know!
Ta-ta
So basicly what you are saying is that we are all idiots?
Come on! Tell me something I don't know!
Ta-ta
If there is life out there (and I'm sure there is), it would probably have evolved under different conditions, and hence be unrecognizable to us. There is the possibility of some sort of convergent evolution, but "little green men" seems unlikely.
Ok, so let's assume there are some sort of life out there, what are the chances that they have evolved technology? Look at our own planet...it is teaming with millions of forms of life, only 1 of which has developed machines. The chances are getting smaller...
Now let's assume that life elsewhere has devolped machines to the point of space travel. What are the chances they would be able to contact us before we kill ourselves off? Unless they have deveolped faster than light travel, or they live for thousands of years, it's not likely. Chances dwindling...
So now let's assume there is intelligent life, that has deveolped machines, and deveolped space travel, can travel faster than light, and can live for thousands of years (That is a lot of assumptions). Why would they want to make contact with us? They would probably see us as a plague (a' la the Matrix). We would have nothing to offer them technology-wise, and our tiny lifespans would make us look like insects. Besides, if they could travel anywhere in the universe, and we have made the previous assumptions, there are probably much more advanced life out there that they could benefit from, as opposed to visiting a plague infested, overheating planet being sucked dry of all resources. Chances are pretty much non-existant at that point...but hell, anything is possible.
I like one of the previous posts...
"The best evidence of intelligent life is that they haven't contacted us"
There may be more truth to that then we will ever know.
Ok, so let's assume there are some sort of life out there, what are the chances that they have evolved technology? Look at our own planet...it is teaming with millions of forms of life, only 1 of which has developed machines. The chances are getting smaller...
Now let's assume that life elsewhere has devolped machines to the point of space travel. What are the chances they would be able to contact us before we kill ourselves off? Unless they have deveolped faster than light travel, or they live for thousands of years, it's not likely. Chances dwindling...
So now let's assume there is intelligent life, that has deveolped machines, and deveolped space travel, can travel faster than light, and can live for thousands of years (That is a lot of assumptions). Why would they want to make contact with us? They would probably see us as a plague (a' la the Matrix). We would have nothing to offer them technology-wise, and our tiny lifespans would make us look like insects. Besides, if they could travel anywhere in the universe, and we have made the previous assumptions, there are probably much more advanced life out there that they could benefit from, as opposed to visiting a plague infested, overheating planet being sucked dry of all resources. Chances are pretty much non-existant at that point...but hell, anything is possible.
I like one of the previous posts...
"The best evidence of intelligent life is that they haven't contacted us"
There may be more truth to that then we will ever know.
Cuder,
This proves that we are all idiots.
Let's say a guy lives in an area full of hills. He knows that walking from point A. to point B. through all of those hills at 5 mph takes 10 hours. Another guy comes along and says he can make it through there in 2 hours at 5 mph. The guy laughs at the other guy's stupidity, and goes back to his business.
The other guy climbs into a hot air bolloon, and flies from point A. to point B. at 5 mph in 2 hours. Pissed when the guy catches up with him, he says "You never said anything about a bolloon, no wonder you got there so fast!"
The other guy says "I didn't have to mintion the bolloon, sometimes you have to think outside of the box."
Just because we know of know method of traveling far distances doesn't mean there isn't one.
Ta ta
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Unless they have deveolped faster than light travel, or they live for thousands of years, it's not likely.
This proves that we are all idiots.
Let's say a guy lives in an area full of hills. He knows that walking from point A. to point B. through all of those hills at 5 mph takes 10 hours. Another guy comes along and says he can make it through there in 2 hours at 5 mph. The guy laughs at the other guy's stupidity, and goes back to his business.
The other guy climbs into a hot air bolloon, and flies from point A. to point B. at 5 mph in 2 hours. Pissed when the guy catches up with him, he says "You never said anything about a bolloon, no wonder you got there so fast!"
The other guy says "I didn't have to mintion the bolloon, sometimes you have to think outside of the box."
Just because we know of know method of traveling far distances doesn't mean there isn't one.
Ta ta
I didn't say there wasn't a form of faster travel. I said it would have to be faster than light to reach us (or live for thousands of years). That is a speed requirement, not a vehicle. Your analogy does not apply to the statement you quoted. You basically said that one guy has a faster form of travel than the other, the same thing I said.
If you are implying there is a form of travel involving a much, much more advanced method like warping spacetime, or wormhole travel, or some other form of exotic space manipulation or teleportation, then my point remains: Why would they even want to contact us?
If you are implying there is a form of travel involving a much, much more advanced method like warping spacetime, or wormhole travel, or some other form of exotic space manipulation or teleportation, then my point remains: Why would they even want to contact us?
Cuder,
The faster form of travel was the result of the other guy skipping all those hills, and going on a strait path.
The faster form of travel was the result of the other guy skipping all those hills, and going on a strait path.
QUOTE (Cuder+)
If you are implying there is a form of travel involving a much, much more advanced method like warping spacetime, or wormhole travel, or some other form of exotic space manipulation or teleportation,
Yes I am.
Yes I am.
QUOTE (same+)
Why would they even want to contact us?
Why are we so fascinated by fish, dogs, cats?
Ta ta
Why are we so fascinated by fish, dogs, cats?
Ta ta
Let me ask something else...
What if our scientists found another advanced life form on another planet?
Would we just go there, provided we have the means, and say, we want to meet your leader... What leader? What will they do? If they are stronger than us? Leaving in peace and harmony? What if they/it do not have this concept, in what mind? Wouldn't it be wiser to try to gather as much informations as possible about this life form, before trying anything? What if we found they were destroying themselves for no apparent reasons, while they had all the means to live peacefully? Would we go and say "hey, we are going to solve your problems. We have a few of our own, but no big deal....!!!" ...
What if our scientists found another advanced life form on another planet?
Would we just go there, provided we have the means, and say, we want to meet your leader... What leader? What will they do? If they are stronger than us? Leaving in peace and harmony? What if they/it do not have this concept, in what mind? Wouldn't it be wiser to try to gather as much informations as possible about this life form, before trying anything? What if we found they were destroying themselves for no apparent reasons, while they had all the means to live peacefully? Would we go and say "hey, we are going to solve your problems. We have a few of our own, but no big deal....!!!" ...
Those are some good questions. There really is on established protocols on how we would deal with aliens though I suspect thre would be many problems. Who can say what kind of thoughts they would have of how evolution would have played out on their planet. What if they don't have survival of the fittest because there are no meat eaters on the planet?
Do we really have the right to mess with their culture and try to move it to something that we find appealing to our senses? Imagine what their architecture would look like and the creations they would make. Since they are different does that make them less than ours? But these same questions can be posed to ourselves in how we treat those aliens that inhabit the earth with us. The guy downstairs in apartment B is rather strange after all.
In the end we won't really know until it happens. What I say is that we limit contact and if they are less advanced try to keep technology away from them. But for some ideas just watch Star Trek(any series) or you can read a book by Orson Scott Card, "Speaker for the Dead".
Do we really have the right to mess with their culture and try to move it to something that we find appealing to our senses? Imagine what their architecture would look like and the creations they would make. Since they are different does that make them less than ours? But these same questions can be posed to ourselves in how we treat those aliens that inhabit the earth with us. The guy downstairs in apartment B is rather strange after all.
In the end we won't really know until it happens. What I say is that we limit contact and if they are less advanced try to keep technology away from them. But for some ideas just watch Star Trek(any series) or you can read a book by Orson Scott Card, "Speaker for the Dead".
QUOTE (guest+)
What if our scientists found another advanced life form on another planet?Would we just go there, provided we have the means, and say, we want to meet your leader... What leader? What will they do? If they are stronger than us? Leaving in peace and harmony? What if they/it do not have this concept, in what mind? Wouldn't it be wiser to try to gather as much informations as possible about this life form, before trying anything? What if we found they were destroying themselves for no apparent reasons, while they had all the means to live peacefully? Would we go and say "hey, we are going to solve your problems. We have a few of our own, but no big deal....!!!" ...
What if they have a different way of having sex? What if the females eat the males when they're done? I don't want are women getting any ideas.
It is very likely you saw a satellite. I routinely see satellites in the early evening. Weather sats moving North to south and others moving west to east. All appear as a fast moving star. Usally slower than a meteor but faster than a plane. As they move above they are still in the sunlight (due to the altitude) but as they move in the shadow of earth they fade out and you can no longer see them. There is info on web on the trajectories and the names so if you want to see them and know which one you are looking at do a google search. Here's one.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
What if they have a different way of having sex? What if the females eat the males when they're done? I don't want are women getting any ideas.
QUOTE (Darklingknight+)
What I say is that we limit contact and if they are less advanced try to keep technology away from them.
If we are less advanced than them would we want them holding back knowledge?
If we are less advanced than them would we want them holding back knowledge?
I had something unidentifiable hover over my friend and I at the age of ,oh, about twelve. On a golf course in Northern Ireland ; it stayed for a few seconds,it's edges were undefined(it was about 90 ft. above us). Memory may not serve me possibly, but I swear the stars shone through it. Then it was away, as they say - in the blink of an eye, but my friend and I were left looking in the direction it had gone. We said nothing about it, but each drew pictures of an obeject roughly the outline of a shield,or semi-oval with a similarily shaped protuberance on the bottom(facing us).
Truly, Q
Truly, Q
QUOTE (Guest_quaestor+)
I had something unidentifiable hover over my friend and I at the age of ,oh, about twelve. On a golf course in Northern Ireland ; it stayed for a few seconds,it's edges were undefined(it was about 90 ft. above us). Memory may not serve me possibly, but I swear the stars shone through it. Then it was away, as they say - in the blink of an eye, but my friend and I were left looking in the direction it had gone. We said nothing about it, but each drew pictures of an obeject roughly the outline of a shield,or semi-oval with a similarily shaped protuberance on the bottom(facing us).
Kids shouldn't drink.
Kids shouldn't drink.
QUOTE
I have seen some ufo's, one was a brite dot moving fast, then it got smaller, and dimmer, until it disappeared. I thought at first it was a shooting star, but it did not burn.
It is very likely you saw a satellite. I routinely see satellites in the early evening. Weather sats moving North to south and others moving west to east. All appear as a fast moving star. Usally slower than a meteor but faster than a plane. As they move above they are still in the sunlight (due to the altitude) but as they move in the shadow of earth they fade out and you can no longer see them. There is info on web on the trajectories and the names so if you want to see them and know which one you are looking at do a google search. Here's one.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
QUOTE (555Joshua+Aug 5 2005, 12:05 PM)
QUOTE (Guest_quaestor+)
I had something unidentifiable hover over my friend and I at the age of ,oh, about twelve. On a golf course in Northern Ireland ; it stayed for a few seconds,it's edges were undefined(it was about 90 ft. above us). Memory may not serve me possibly, but I swear the stars shone through it. Then it was away, as they say - in the blink of an eye, but my friend and I were left looking in the direction it had gone. We said nothing about it, but each drew pictures of an obeject roughly the outline of a shield,or semi-oval with a similarily shaped protuberance on the bottom(facing us).
Kids shouldn't drink.
kids shouldn't play golf at night just cause it's free!
Kids shouldn't drink.
kids shouldn't play golf at night just cause it's free!
QUOTE (555Joshua+Jul 27 2005, 03:30 PM)
Cuder,
The faster form of travel was the result of the other guy skipping all those hills, and going on a strait path.
The faster form of travel was the result of the other guy skipping all those hills, and going on a strait path.
QUOTE (Cuder+)
If you are implying there is a form of travel involving a much, much more advanced method like warping spacetime, or wormhole travel, or some other form of exotic space manipulation or teleportation,
Yes I am.
Yes I am.
QUOTE (same+)
Why would they even want to contact us?
Why are we so fascinated by fish, dogs, cats?
Ta ta
why are you so fascinated by your "ta-ta"!
Why are we so fascinated by fish, dogs, cats?
Ta ta
why are you so fascinated by your "ta-ta"!
Actually I am very suprised since I've heard of a sighting like this here in Athens ( Greece). A friend once told me that her and two or three people saw something in the sky that it was not clearly defined but you could see a light destortion on the edges of that thing. I got that impression that it looked like the alien when it was cloacked in the predator movie. Anyway the thing just hovered over the rooftops it seemed to be quite big and did not make any kind of noise. after a minute they spot it took of pretty fast and disappeared. Well I don't know if that was only a illusion but all three having the same illusion... at least worths considering...
Yes. There are UFO's. I wouldn't care to hazard a guess as to WHAT they are.
Perhaps they are us looking back at us. Maybe they are agents of the gods.
Nobody knows. If they are extraterrestrial they must have a very secretive long-term mission. I cannot imagine a reason to travel the black void and then hide from a sapient species since sapience must truly be rare in the universe...just imagine the expense involved. They would have to want something very badly.
hmmm. My granny used to watch them in the sky over her farm. That was before aircraft were common or commercial. She always just ignored them. They had no bearing on daily life or survival. That is probably a very wise attitude.
Perhaps they are us looking back at us. Maybe they are agents of the gods.
Nobody knows. If they are extraterrestrial they must have a very secretive long-term mission. I cannot imagine a reason to travel the black void and then hide from a sapient species since sapience must truly be rare in the universe...just imagine the expense involved. They would have to want something very badly.
hmmm. My granny used to watch them in the sky over her farm. That was before aircraft were common or commercial. She always just ignored them. They had no bearing on daily life or survival. That is probably a very wise attitude.
UFOs are indeed aliens - ones who have a strange fascination with human anal cavities. The alien children also like to exsanguinate cattle. It's like candy to them.
It seems to me that if aliens were visiting earth, they would have technology that would seem like magic to us. If they are thousands or millions of years more advanced, i have a hard time believing that they would ever be detected by us - unless of course they wanted to be detected.
It seems to me that if aliens were visiting earth, they would have technology that would seem like magic to us. If they are thousands or millions of years more advanced, i have a hard time believing that they would ever be detected by us - unless of course they wanted to be detected.
Hi All,
UFO's? It is probably most likely to be "human" activity or even time travel... not "aliens". They would be the only ones that interested in us. They may not look like us because what they are depicted to look like are actually only "droids". This will divert attention away from what their actual intentions are and is then seen as "screwball" activity.
Cheers
UFO's? It is probably most likely to be "human" activity or even time travel... not "aliens". They would be the only ones that interested in us. They may not look like us because what they are depicted to look like are actually only "droids". This will divert attention away from what their actual intentions are and is then seen as "screwball" activity.
Cheers
It would be a very profound experience to discover that an intelligence has visited Earth, however it may be very difficult for Humans to understand their motives for doing so. Perhaps they are naturally curious of us, in the same way that Humans are curious of other species on Earth. Chimpanzees and Dolphins have shown great learning potential, and it has been proven that Chimps can learn up to 200 words in sign language, as well as operate rudimentary computers, using various symbols (buttons) to communicate some of their needs (food, drink, play) with Humans.
I have to agree with Justavian that if they had the technology to cross huge interstellar distances (the closest star is 24,000,000,000,000 miles away) to reach us, they would also have the technology to be "invisible" to us.
I believe that if an intelligence has visited us, the reason for their not having publicly contacted us would be to understand us in order to better decide an appropriate "introduction." Perhaps they will not initiate contact with any species that does not have the ability to break the light barrier (travel faster than light, ~190,000 miles/sec), for the same reasons that people in their 30's wouldn't hang around with children who couldn't leave their own home.
If you consider that racism and other forms of alienation are very widespread on Earth between Humans, it would be logical to assume that that same prejudice could be directed towards them. Maybe they feel we simply aren't ready to handle the shock. Perhaps they're waiting for us to evolve further as a society in terms of our general attitude of life.
Or maybe they simply enjoy Human anal cavities.
Alex
sanghapizza@hotmail.com
I have to agree with Justavian that if they had the technology to cross huge interstellar distances (the closest star is 24,000,000,000,000 miles away) to reach us, they would also have the technology to be "invisible" to us.
I believe that if an intelligence has visited us, the reason for their not having publicly contacted us would be to understand us in order to better decide an appropriate "introduction." Perhaps they will not initiate contact with any species that does not have the ability to break the light barrier (travel faster than light, ~190,000 miles/sec), for the same reasons that people in their 30's wouldn't hang around with children who couldn't leave their own home.
If you consider that racism and other forms of alienation are very widespread on Earth between Humans, it would be logical to assume that that same prejudice could be directed towards them. Maybe they feel we simply aren't ready to handle the shock. Perhaps they're waiting for us to evolve further as a society in terms of our general attitude of life.
Or maybe they simply enjoy Human anal cavities.
Alex
sanghapizza@hotmail.com
Aww no not aliens again. UFOs! What is surprising about that. A craft able to synthesize it's own momentum. Not anti-gravity as such. Such a craft would be able to accelerate and decelerate at any speed and it's occupants would come to no harm. The Nazi's were developing them and guess who got all the scientists at the end of the war?
Cattle mutilations are all done near the A-bomb test grounds. It was just testing for radiation on the cattle with advanced craft to do it unknown to the farmers. Put out a load of alien bull crap and plant a few agitators and you have ALIENS ARE VISITING US. Instead of; The government want to know what the hell damage all those nukes did and not let you know.
Now stop blaming the poor aliens every time something freaky happens.
WE DON'T LIKE IT.
Cattle mutilations are all done near the A-bomb test grounds. It was just testing for radiation on the cattle with advanced craft to do it unknown to the farmers. Put out a load of alien bull crap and plant a few agitators and you have ALIENS ARE VISITING US. Instead of; The government want to know what the hell damage all those nukes did and not let you know.
Now stop blaming the poor aliens every time something freaky happens.
WE DON'T LIKE IT.
QUOTE (555Joshua+Jul 1 2005, 03:38 PM)
I do believe there are others, perhaps on Mars. Do you think they will come to us?
I have seen some ufo's, one was a brite dot moving fast, then it got smaller, and dimmer, until it disappeared. I thought at first it was a shooting star, but it did not burn.
Many people claim to have been taken, and don't forget area 51.
Ta-ta
UFO's are not real. they are just unidentified objects. you just obviously can't identify them all u tards. Ya know... your all wack jobs. you need therapy 
I have seen some ufo's, one was a brite dot moving fast, then it got smaller, and dimmer, until it disappeared. I thought at first it was a shooting star, but it did not burn.
Many people claim to have been taken, and don't forget area 51.
Ta-ta
UFO's are not real. they are just unidentified objects. you just obviously can't identify them all u tards. Ya know... your all wack jobs. you need therapy
UFOs spark the imagination. Of course they are real, because some have yet to be unidentified, therefore UFO.
Over the history of science the fringes have become mainstream, and the mainstream has become obsolete. Not all fringes have become mainstream, but history is full of people why where laughed at and told their theories had no basis in reality (as they understood it at that time).
If someone wants to spend their time and money investigating UFOs, more power to them. I wouldn't do it, and such extraordinary ideas require extraordinary proof, but maybe they'll come up with something. If everyone didn't believe until there was proof, no one would spend the time to find the proof in the first place. But as for me, I will not believe something as extraordinary as aliens visiting earth until I have real proof.
Over the history of science the fringes have become mainstream, and the mainstream has become obsolete. Not all fringes have become mainstream, but history is full of people why where laughed at and told their theories had no basis in reality (as they understood it at that time).
If someone wants to spend their time and money investigating UFOs, more power to them. I wouldn't do it, and such extraordinary ideas require extraordinary proof, but maybe they'll come up with something. If everyone didn't believe until there was proof, no one would spend the time to find the proof in the first place. But as for me, I will not believe something as extraordinary as aliens visiting earth until I have real proof.
Madkite i wish to congratulate you and advance on the subject of nazis further later.
I believe aliens exist
Do i believe aliens have visited?
eh....difficult...I sit on the fence with it really.
But the fact that someone said its egotistical to think aliens would be interested in us at such advancement is amazingly ignorant.
We're the most intellectually advanced race on this planet yet we are still probing animals and keeping them in zoos and experimenting on them, just because they have inter stellar travel doesnt mean they know everything
Ive been reading about helium 3 lately, which we could get within 50 years maximum, theres the energy source we need for space travel, the next step is just to figure out how to bend space/time
I once asked my physics professor who BTW is DAMN f ing smart to say the least with masters degree and god knows what else in physics if there was any point in trying to go to other planets, as i stated that even if we go the fastest-light speed, it would still take years and years to reach the nearest sun-which unless it was an amazing coincidense, would not sustain life, or sentient life at least. He then told me its not quite as simple as the numbers the universe appears to set rules by.
Im pretty sure that when we get interstellar travel mastered we too will go around searching for life regardless of our advancements, the mere fact millions of trekkie fans exist proves what im saying correct, we have a urge to explore, most sentient intelligent life WILL have this trait, as it is what gets us experimenting and finding answers, the only reason man has advanced is its addiction to explore and find the truth.
Not only this but i theorise that 95% or more of all life in the universe ISNT sentient or capable of interstellar travel due to the fact that
A race needs to have the correct DNA to be able to even have an evolution path available to advance to sentiency
A planet needs to have a constant safe climate for a good few millions of years just to give a form of life the chance to evolve into something smart
another guy here posted about fossil fuels, i do believe without fossil fuels a race would be very slow or non advancing at all.
War
Disease
poverty
sun blowing up
I believe a lot of life is being destroyed as we speak due to these and i could list many more, and sentient life is rare because the conditions have to be very very good (I wont say perfect because it sounds like if the earth was 1mm closer to the sun it would be a ball of fire, when in reality the earth could move quite a lot and still be able to sustain life)
But yes it would be difficult to get into contact with other sentient life
Not only this but if time travel is impossible or so dangerous it shouldnt be done maybe aliens are looking for races that are just about to make major advancements because they want to see how life works sentiently and maybe there planets history books arent exactly accurate or they dont know how they evolved so watch life from afar to see how it REALLY happens, lets face it science has only started properly since the 18th century, yes there were scientists before that but it was like a few every century making a few pond steps and 1 major genius every 500 or so years who made any real leap.
As of now we are getting very very advanced and just in the last 10 years we have made thousands of discoveries that were thought to be impossible.
What we think now is mostly useless to the real ideas of space travel
sure it seems impossible
sure it seems immensely huge and quite futile to even try exploring it to a large degree
But a lot of things used to seem impossible, and while we can say "yes but we know more now" the fact still remains that we do not understand hardly anything in this universe
this site alone posts up a good 10 new theories and discoveries every day, and they might be wrong too, we have a long way to go, and it means that the idea of space travel isnt indefinitiely impossible, just probable.
As to the nazis
they were working on anti gravity and such
I remember watching a documentary about how the americans tried immitating this technology and they havent kept it secret that they have, i believe most UFO's are human experiments of ships, a satellite used by the makers of this documentary also found a ship that used sonic booms going at mach 12 to travel to russia in very little time
http://seekers.100megs6.com/UFOMan-TheAurora.htm
thats the only site i could find with good info on the UFO, quite frankly the idea of america secretly making fast spy planes makes a LOT more sense than alien visits.
The only reason i would think someone would disagree with the aurora ship being secretly made is an extremely patriotic person that wont believe his country does make secrets.
Im not anti american BTW
But its obvious all countries have secrets when it comes to there scientific advancements.
if aliens have crashed im pretty sure aliens would come here to explain what happened so we dont freak out and then get a load of conspiracy theorists thinking the american government is under hostage by aliens.
Quite frankly i dont know why any government keeps UFO's a secret UNLESS it is THAT governments secret creation
Apparently we would all freak out if aliens existed and we would all panic
right...suuuuuree...that makes sense
Millions of sci fi fans and millions of people thinking aliens are cool, and the human mind WANTING to find extra terrestrial life apart from religious folk, and they think we'd PANIC?!
*** that id smile and go HELL YEAH, unless they were dangerous, in which case i doubt our government would be able to protect us from such an advanced race.
I believe aliens exist
Do i believe aliens have visited?
eh....difficult...I sit on the fence with it really.
But the fact that someone said its egotistical to think aliens would be interested in us at such advancement is amazingly ignorant.
We're the most intellectually advanced race on this planet yet we are still probing animals and keeping them in zoos and experimenting on them, just because they have inter stellar travel doesnt mean they know everything
Ive been reading about helium 3 lately, which we could get within 50 years maximum, theres the energy source we need for space travel, the next step is just to figure out how to bend space/time
I once asked my physics professor who BTW is DAMN f ing smart to say the least with masters degree and god knows what else in physics if there was any point in trying to go to other planets, as i stated that even if we go the fastest-light speed, it would still take years and years to reach the nearest sun-which unless it was an amazing coincidense, would not sustain life, or sentient life at least. He then told me its not quite as simple as the numbers the universe appears to set rules by.
Im pretty sure that when we get interstellar travel mastered we too will go around searching for life regardless of our advancements, the mere fact millions of trekkie fans exist proves what im saying correct, we have a urge to explore, most sentient intelligent life WILL have this trait, as it is what gets us experimenting and finding answers, the only reason man has advanced is its addiction to explore and find the truth.
Not only this but i theorise that 95% or more of all life in the universe ISNT sentient or capable of interstellar travel due to the fact that
A race needs to have the correct DNA to be able to even have an evolution path available to advance to sentiency
A planet needs to have a constant safe climate for a good few millions of years just to give a form of life the chance to evolve into something smart
another guy here posted about fossil fuels, i do believe without fossil fuels a race would be very slow or non advancing at all.
War
Disease
poverty
sun blowing up
I believe a lot of life is being destroyed as we speak due to these and i could list many more, and sentient life is rare because the conditions have to be very very good (I wont say perfect because it sounds like if the earth was 1mm closer to the sun it would be a ball of fire, when in reality the earth could move quite a lot and still be able to sustain life)
But yes it would be difficult to get into contact with other sentient life
Not only this but if time travel is impossible or so dangerous it shouldnt be done maybe aliens are looking for races that are just about to make major advancements because they want to see how life works sentiently and maybe there planets history books arent exactly accurate or they dont know how they evolved so watch life from afar to see how it REALLY happens, lets face it science has only started properly since the 18th century, yes there were scientists before that but it was like a few every century making a few pond steps and 1 major genius every 500 or so years who made any real leap.
As of now we are getting very very advanced and just in the last 10 years we have made thousands of discoveries that were thought to be impossible.
What we think now is mostly useless to the real ideas of space travel
sure it seems impossible
sure it seems immensely huge and quite futile to even try exploring it to a large degree
But a lot of things used to seem impossible, and while we can say "yes but we know more now" the fact still remains that we do not understand hardly anything in this universe
this site alone posts up a good 10 new theories and discoveries every day, and they might be wrong too, we have a long way to go, and it means that the idea of space travel isnt indefinitiely impossible, just probable.
As to the nazis
they were working on anti gravity and such
I remember watching a documentary about how the americans tried immitating this technology and they havent kept it secret that they have, i believe most UFO's are human experiments of ships, a satellite used by the makers of this documentary also found a ship that used sonic booms going at mach 12 to travel to russia in very little time
http://seekers.100megs6.com/UFOMan-TheAurora.htm
thats the only site i could find with good info on the UFO, quite frankly the idea of america secretly making fast spy planes makes a LOT more sense than alien visits.
The only reason i would think someone would disagree with the aurora ship being secretly made is an extremely patriotic person that wont believe his country does make secrets.
Im not anti american BTW
But its obvious all countries have secrets when it comes to there scientific advancements.
if aliens have crashed im pretty sure aliens would come here to explain what happened so we dont freak out and then get a load of conspiracy theorists thinking the american government is under hostage by aliens.
Quite frankly i dont know why any government keeps UFO's a secret UNLESS it is THAT governments secret creation
Apparently we would all freak out if aliens existed and we would all panic
right...suuuuuree...that makes sense
Millions of sci fi fans and millions of people thinking aliens are cool, and the human mind WANTING to find extra terrestrial life apart from religious folk, and they think we'd PANIC?!
*** that id smile and go HELL YEAH, unless they were dangerous, in which case i doubt our government would be able to protect us from such an advanced race.
Oh ive also seen some very weird UFO phenomena, including the time when i saw 20 orange lights start moving to make weird patterns and symbols.
But hey i doubt anyone will believe me so who cares
Could have been an airshow maybe, the lights were quite dim.
But hey i doubt anyone will believe me so who cares
Could have been an airshow maybe, the lights were quite dim.
In my opinion,
For Now; there is still nothing to believe
Also the last fifty years are full of hoax news about UFOs etc.
yeah it is UFO only (unidentified > some people had already identified it in their minds I think)
I don't claim that "we are alone in the universe".
I am just telling that we can not say that, extra terrestrials does exist
Still there is nothing about REAL SCIENCE in that extra terrestrial subject. Actually; this not even a subject which should be discussed over science environs
By the way; I reccomend everyone to read Carl Sagan's "Demon Haounted World--Science as a candle in the dark)
yours respectfully
For Now; there is still nothing to believe
Also the last fifty years are full of hoax news about UFOs etc.
yeah it is UFO only (unidentified > some people had already identified it in their minds I think)
I don't claim that "we are alone in the universe".
I am just telling that we can not say that, extra terrestrials does exist
Still there is nothing about REAL SCIENCE in that extra terrestrial subject. Actually; this not even a subject which should be discussed over science environs
By the way; I reccomend everyone to read Carl Sagan's "Demon Haounted World--Science as a candle in the dark)
yours respectfully
Like with SETI, I don't mind if people spend their own leisure income and time hunting down proof of aliens.
It is certainly a potential way to increase our knowledge, and we'll never find them if we're never looking. Plus, if the people enjoy it, I certainly cannot mind.
Not everyone can be interested in research towards immortality.
It is certainly a potential way to increase our knowledge, and we'll never find them if we're never looking. Plus, if the people enjoy it, I certainly cannot mind.
Not everyone can be interested in research towards immortality.
Well the case is not immortality
What I have written is what MY point of view is...
Caring about that subject and looking for a proof for the existance of aliens is not my way...
People can increase their knowledge about anything they are interested in of course. I don't mind how other people spend their own leisure income and time too. But I am not intersted in "increasing my knowledge" about UFOs and never will be...
what I'm gonna do about them is "not to waste any time on them."
That is all
Best regards.
What I have written is what MY point of view is...
Caring about that subject and looking for a proof for the existance of aliens is not my way...
People can increase their knowledge about anything they are interested in of course. I don't mind how other people spend their own leisure income and time too. But I am not intersted in "increasing my knowledge" about UFOs and never will be...
what I'm gonna do about them is "not to waste any time on them."
That is all
Best regards.
I think that's a great policy. That way, you're wasting nothing (time or money), unless something big happens in that field. Then you'll benefit from it.
Ah, the wonders of specialization ...
Ah, the wonders of specialization ...
I received a (seemingly) hostile email from BurcakT regarding the above post.
To be clear, I'm implying that he could benefit from the work that other people are doing, and that's neat (or spiffy).
What I mean is, if people pursue hobbies that have a potential payoff, then everyone benefits. And we benefit more if people focus on what they're good at and like, since that's where we're the most productive. UFOlogy is a harmless hobby, but it has (possible) potential benefits.
To be clear, I'm implying that he could benefit from the work that other people are doing, and that's neat (or spiffy).
What I mean is, if people pursue hobbies that have a potential payoff, then everyone benefits. And we benefit more if people focus on what they're good at and like, since that's where we're the most productive. UFOlogy is a harmless hobby, but it has (possible) potential benefits.
I think that you guys are oversimplifying the mindset of an anien lifeform. There is no way to prove anything phylosophical useing human logic. An alien may hava any motive bolth imaginable and not.
If (And that is a big if.) an alien life form came here to study things then I think they would not just study us. We still study termites so I would assume they would want to learn about the hole ecosystem.
Having said that that is as long as their intentions were peaceful.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/vacuum/index.htm
Here is some interesting research being done in to lifters. It proves they they are not just lifting because of wind being generated by the two charges. Search around the site a bit their are many experiments including demonstrating how one side of the capacitor is pulled with greater force than the other is pulled back toward it allowing thrust to be produced. If you can do this with equipment that simple imagine what a military budget could achieve.
Having said that that is as long as their intentions were peaceful.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/vacuum/index.htm
Here is some interesting research being done in to lifters. It proves they they are not just lifting because of wind being generated by the two charges. Search around the site a bit their are many experiments including demonstrating how one side of the capacitor is pulled with greater force than the other is pulled back toward it allowing thrust to be produced. If you can do this with equipment that simple imagine what a military budget could achieve.
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