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NeoNo.1
''Do you believe in the existence of extraterrestrials?''
Fox Mulder to Dana Scully (Pilot Episode)

Yes. I do. And here are three reasons why:

1. That in the 1990's in Scotland, Dunoon in the Argyle, (my home town), i experienced a most fantastic phenomena. I was a young child at the time; but i remember the experience as though it where yesterday. I remember looking out of my mother and fathers home one dark winter’s night, and i saw something... something that made me screw my face, because, even though i did not know how aerodynamics worked - i did know what types of spacecraft we had at the time, and it did not match up. Three distinct lights (of brilliant vibrance), cascaded high above my house in a beautiful dance - though, a complicated one at that, and i can tell you now today, that no earthly-built aircraft could manoeuvre like what these lights where doing: thus, i called my parents... and we all stood out in the dark open with our eyes fixated to the skies, in incredible awe. Jaw's open - quite literally. They performed a dance that would rotate around each other in almost pure symmetry, then merging together - like a single force - then splitting away from each other, before disappearing into the deep dark of the night skies, as though they speeded away faster than sound itself. If their are doubters of my claims out their, which there inexorably always is, it wasn't just witnessed by my self and my family - but by quite a few people throughout the town. It was noted that week in the 'Local Dunoon Observer;' so, I’m not as eccentric as some might have assumed.

2. Now - the second reason extends from the first. Here, my scientific and mystical mind go hand-in-hand. First of all, if it wasn't a product of an earth air-craft, since i can deduct this from its sophisticated manoeuvres throughout the sky, then one might assume it was some light source, located miles away. However, an investigation occurred and found no results of any light activity from any of the surrounding towns - and since Dunoon is arched in by mountains, the major cities like ''Glasgow'', is simply far too much of a distance. If it was cast from Glasgow, it would have needed to be a very powerful, focused beam... and even beams that are seen from reasonable distances, can still be known to be from some torch light source - but these 'Luminiferous objects', as i said, where extremely vibrant, and did not look as though they where a by-product of some distant source... it might as well have been cast right from our back garden it was that bright.

3. But i hear Occam rolling in grave... What if it was but some kind of electrical phenomena? Well, I’m no expert on natural electrical phenomena, such as lightning, but i believe even lightning itself is not fully known how it operates. I heard a theory earlier this year, that it might be a product of ice frictions... but too long a story... but my point being, that if this is true, then it is quite possible actually that it could have all been a phenomenal electrical event... but when does the buck stop with knowledge, because eventually, logic becomes a lie, and everything falls down a disenchanted path, and lay's in scientific history as nothing but curiosity... In other words, not everything is governed by logic. Even the illogical assumptions bring with it its own type of legacy. So, might we turn to the fantastic, perhaps even the most incredible to discover the correct logical truth - no matter how illogical it may seem to be? Might the fantastic from time-to-time, be the most plausible assumption? Mathematics would state yes. But this is according to our calculations, highly improbable... However, is the improbable the most probable way to discover the truth about the mind-blowing, incomprehensible world we see around us?

I believe what i saw that night was of extraterrestrial origin - even though the scientific child inside of me is telling me 'no - don't be stupid!' - because, how could another race achieve such a task as deep as intergalactic travel without coming to us when we are long gone, due to the relative laws?
Of course - is this not the argument that is self-explanatory? After all, wouldn't aliens be more intelligent than us? Perhaps they discovered the mysterious ''Tachyonic Matter,'' and achieved great spacetime distances, without really taking any time at all? What if they have mastered the unified theory long before us, and came to our planet, 100,000 years ago - and they, as some conspiracists state, 'created us,' and, 'monitors us'... even though i don't believe in this theory, i can imagine some strange interpretations; one being that if they did genetically construct humans, they are then our gods... But - please - don't mistake me here - it is incredibly improbable... but that's the great thing about theories. If at least a statistical value of anything happening, whether that be 1 in 10^100, it is still possible.

Of course - other, more rational ''things'' can be brought into play here. First of all, aliens must exist, due to the high probability factor of infinite spacetimematter - thus out in that wide cosmos, we cannot be, according to these statistics, be the only ''life'' out there... whether that be intelligent life or not. There is simply far too much space and matter, and equally proportional to its infinite possibilities, that we cannot be the only life existent within this great expanding vacuum.
And, equally logical, is that if they are alien to us, what are we to them? I'm sure you guessed that we too would be aliens - thus, using this deduction, ask yourself again, 'do aliens exist?'

Yes... they do. I am one sitting here right now, as you are sitting there reading this.
NeoNo.1
I hate to prod... but anyone have any insights?
freethis
QUOTE (NeoNo.1+Sep 1 2007, 06:58 PM)
I hate to prod... but anyone have any insights?
ubavontuba
QUOTE (NeoNo.1+Sep 1 2007, 06:58 PM)
I hate to prod... but anyone have any insights?

Was the sky overcast?
freethis
QUOTE (ubavontuba+Sep 1 2007, 07:11 PM)
Was the sky overcast?

Yes it was, IT must have been swamp gas reflecting off the lunar poles, as Jupiter passed through its 3rd rotational solar year through the tropic of Capricorn. tongue.gif
NeoNo.1
All i can say...

''ONLY IF YOU WHERE THERE!''

The objects i saw was in compliment of others... This is what it makes it stand out among many other UFO sightings... I argue that electrical phenomena could not perform such symetrical phenoms... afterall, one just needs to look at fork lightning to see such displacement!
Anyone else got anything preductive to say?
NeoNo.1
Majkl
I actually had an experience which resembles stories about meeting aliens. I have to point out also that this happened while I was kind of into the UFO thing and read lots about it. For example a guy who worked as NATO officer with “cosmic clearance” level calls them little guys. And then you have Disclosure project and similar. Youtube has lots of this stuff. There are interesting cases out there. One of them for example is when military conducted experiments with weaponized rockets and out of nowhere an ufo comes and blows their rocket warhead (while the rocket is moving at high altitude) with some kind of a light beam. Well back to my experience.
It was in my sleep but here It goes. I felt asleep and next thing I remember was a long hand touching my shoulder gently. I don’t know how I saw the being but I have a clear picture of it being quite tall white and having big eyes. Just like the ones majority is drawing or describing. The feeling I remember was that of friendliness. I saw a light behind this creature and another one was standing in it but I couldn’t see it as clearly as the one that touched my shoulder. I was completely and absolutely paralyzed. Because of that I wanted to scream but I couldn’t but somehow I managed to get my voice hehe and started shouting. Then I woke up. Father later asked me what was my shouting all about hehe. The interesting thing is that they came through walls like walls are not there. And it seemed as if they are coming from I don’t know another dimension?! Its hard to explain what was the space the other alien was standing in. Its like coming out of somewhere else. I did some googling and these aliens resembled pleiade-types. Tall with long arms big head very thin neck. The most interesting thing was the way I felt about them in that short period I remember. As if we knew each other somehow. You know like being their little brother or something similar. You kind of know they are something special. Its instinctive. But I was terrified of my paralisys hehe. Of course i checked the net and found that this phenomena does happen under REM sleep. So it does have a brain activity explanation however.
NeoNo.1
Who are you?
freethis
QUOTE (NeoNo.1+Sep 1 2007, 07:48 PM)
just needs to look at fork lightning to see such displacement!
Anyone else got anything productive to say?
NeoNo.1



ph34r.gif Are you saying my post is not productive?

I gave you the scientific apparatus that makes it possible, and I gave you actual footage of the same.
what more do you want? You must consider that sceptics will never believe in anything other that what they are brain washed into thinking, based on there beliefs, society has a whole, or religion.
We are not simply products of society, we ask the questions, and locate the answers, because we refuse too be a simple part of the (general) society. smile.gif

We do not belive everything is written in stone, and continue to evolve spiritually, mentally, and scientifically, wile everyone else waited too be told the facts.
NeoNo.1
Out of all of the proof, nothing stands out more than a classic case of what you presented! Pure load of s**t... I saw what i saw... you cannot deny what i saw can you?
ubavontuba
QUOTE (freethis+Sep 1 2007, 07:14 PM)
Yes it was, IT must have been swamp gas reflecting off the lunar poles, as Jupiter passed through its 3rd  rotational solar year through the tropic of Capricorn.    tongue.gif

I was thinking one of those quad searchlight trailers that are used to advertise business openings. Their lights (reflected from clouds) move and "dance" together in interesting, symmetrical patterns.
Majkl
As weird and cranky as this might sound but there are ideas circling around that aliens are in fact humans from the future. They look a lot like us and if one considers such encounters were real what are the odds of such a similar organism evolving in some other solar system.
NeoNo.1
obavontuba
There was a massive investigation into these lights... And no buisiness claimed to have used high powered focused beams... So that idea kinda doesn't work... And Dunoon is cocooned in high mountains... And it is cut off from any other major city or towns...

As for the idea that these are aliens from the future, from a totally scientific viewpoint, the principle of self-consistency forbids this.

NeoNo.1
N O M
QUOTE (freethis+Sep 2 2007, 08:21 AM)
ph34r.gif Are you saying my post is not productive?

Yeah, it's productive.

This might help
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ubavontuba
QUOTE (NeoNo.1+Sep 2 2007, 09:34 AM)
obavontuba
There was a massive investigation into these lights... And no buisiness claimed to have used high powered focused beams... So that idea kinda doesn't work... And Dunoon is cocooned in high mountains... And it is cut off from any other major city or towns...

Just because no business claimed to be using them, doesn't mean somebody wasn't. You can also rent them privately. Maybe someone is getting a big laugh out of it.
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