To add comments or start new threads please go to the full version of: UFOs are Real
PhysOrgForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums > General Sci-Tech Discussions > Other Sci-Tech Topics

KKris
For more than 50 years, people around the world have mumbled about the existence of UFOs and the innumerable video evidences of their sightings.

There was one sighting recently around the Chicago airport too!

We all know that they are real and there are better intelligent life forms than that are on our planet Earth.

Why are the governments especially the US (area 51) still keeping this under cover?

Do they just want to reverse engineer the alien space crafts and remodel their army flights?

(OR)

Are they going to be interested in the welfare of the public/civilians and formulate a plan for us to safe guard ourselves when we are invaded by UFOs?

They (governments) should be considered solely responsible for any mishaps to their citizens if any happens in the future. They have not only been very irresponsible over these years but also have falsified/made fools of the witnesses(including scientists) who came forward and told us the truth. mad.gif
thinkbig!
QUOTE (KKris+Feb 22 2007, 06:39 PM)
For more than 50 years, people around the world have mumbled about the existence of UFOs and the innumerable video evidences of their sightings.

There was one sighting recently around the Chicago airport too!

We all know that they are real and there are better intelligent life forms than that are on our planet Earth.

Why are the governments especially the US (area 51) still keeping this under cover?

Do they just want to reverse engineer the alien space crafts and remodel their army flights?

(OR)

Are they going to be interested in the welfare of the public/civilians and formulate a plan for us to safe guard ourselves when we are invaded by UFOs?

They (governments) should be considered solely responsible for any mishaps to their citizens if any happens in the future. They have not only been very irresponsible over these years but also have falsified/made fools of the witnesses(including scientists) who came forward and told us the truth. mad.gif

I think if we had actually made contact with aliens then we would have either been invaded already or we'd befriend them and our technology would have skyrocketed. I don't think at this point, that we have positively made contact. Not that they are not out there but i doubt our gov can positively confirm that even if they wanted to. Most ufo sightings are probably government testing for aircraft. Something that has been going on for years and years. People have come forward about secret testing for human aircraft. These people being former workers.
KKris
QUOTE
Most ufo sightings are probably government testing for aircraft. Something that has been going on for years and years. People have come forward about secret testing for human aircraft. These people being former workers.


Do you work at area 51/ for the government too??? laugh.gif biggrin.gif I really mean it! rolleyes.gif
thinkbig!
QUOTE (KKris+Feb 22 2007, 08:07 PM)

Do you work at area 51/ for the government too??? laugh.gif  biggrin.gif  I really mean it! rolleyes.gif

Yeah, because if i worked at area 51 i would be discussing that with you. Even though it's top secret. Were you just being a wise a** or was there a point there.
KKris
OK! I just meant that if your were a govt. employee you would only try to discourage any opinion against the govt. and redirect the conversation into something else.

Watch out some of the awesome clips:

Cool UFO video1

Cool UFO video2

Cool UFO video3

Cool UFO video4
Grumpy
KKris

QUOTE
For more than 50 years, people around the world have mumbled about the existence of UFOs and the innumerable video evidences of their sightings.

There was one sighting recently around the Chicago airport too!

We all know that they are real and there are better intelligent life forms than that are on our planet Earth.

Why are the governments especially the US (area 51) still keeping this under cover?

Do they just want to reverse engineer the alien space crafts and remodel their army flights?

(OR)

Are they going to be interested in the welfare of the public/civilians and formulate a plan for us to safe guard ourselves when we are invaded by UFOs?

They (governments) should be considered solely responsible for any mishaps to their citizens if any happens in the future. They have not only been very irresponsible over these years but also have falsified/made fools of the witnesses(including scientists) who came forward and told us the truth. mad.gif


I would say you have given a good example of the unreliability of eyewitness reports from laymen.

Though I have no doubt of the existence of beings of comparable (or even greater) intelligence and ability to ours somewhere in our own galaxy and I am certain they exist somewhere in the rest of the universe, they face the same limitations put upon us by the laws of the universe. The distances between even the nearest stars are close to insurmountable with the technologies available. And it is likely that the distances between civilizations are orders of magnitude farther. The speed of light limits the speed they could travel just as it does us, making any trip from their star to ours a multigenerational proposition, if it is possible at all.

Add to that the fact that out civilizations must co-exist in time. Our civilization has only been broadcasting our presence to the universe for about 100 years. That means the other civilizations would have to be within 100 light years to even be aware of our existence, to know that our sun would be a place they might want to visit. And only then if their civilization were capable of detecting those transmissions, building interstellar vehicles and launching them in a few decades so that they could be here already. Most unlikely, or we would have already detected those close civilizations and detected their starships in transit to us.

Then there is the fact that any technology to drive starships at any significant percent of lightspeed is going to stand out like a searchlight on a dark night. Such energies(whatever the source) are not something you could hide. And the red shift/blue shift of those energies would tell everyone where you started and where you are going long before you got there.

The simple fact is that we, like every other intelligent species in the universe, will never be capable of travel to the majority of this universe. If we survive long enough we MAY be able to spread throughout this galaxy(given a couple of billion years) but the rest of the universe will likely dissappear over the light horizon before we could reach them even if we someday are able to push the lightspeed limit. A trip to the center of our own galaxy AT LIGHT SPEED would take 25,000 years, and as the universe measures distance, that is right next door.

So, no, there have been no visitors from outer space. If we are extremely lucky we may one day detect and even communicate with such a civilization but with the time delay between message and reply measured in decades or hundreds of years AT BEST it will be little more than saying "WE ARE HERE!" for centuries to come.

Grumpy cool.gif
fivedoughnut
QUOTE (Grumpy+Feb 22 2007, 11:44 PM)
A trip to the center of our own galaxy AT LIGHT SPEED would take 25,000 years, and as the universe measures distance, that is right next door.


Grumpy cool.gif

Grumpy,

At the SOL, trip would take 0 seconds not 25k years. biggrin.gif ..... however, 25k years would have elapsed on earth in this timeless instant. blink.gif
Sergey Sorokine
Hello evryone;

i think UFOs exist and i saw on myslef.
Nicola Tesla seen UFO too and he got many his inventoins from extraterestrial civilization.

Sergey Sorokin, PhD.
fivedoughnut
QUOTE (Sergey Sorokine+Feb 23 2007, 03:10 AM)
Hello evryone;

i think UFOs exist and i saw on myslef.
Nicola Tesla seen UFO too and he got many his inventoins from extraterestrial civilization.

Sergey Sorokin, PhD.

laugh.gif

Nuttier than squirrels poop laugh.gif ...... please jump in your flying saucer and get the smeg back to planet Mongo with your more than apparent 47 chromosomes.


laugh.gif

Grumpy
Sergey Sorokine

I don't doubt you have seen something that appeared strange to you, and Tesla may have too. Whatever they were they were not alien visitors.

Grumpy cool.gif
kaneda
Considering the size of the universe and the relatively few civilisations like ours that must exist in it, I think more advanced civilisations would keep an eye on them. While FTL travel is impossible to our science I think it possible that there may be an as yet unknown way to travel faster than light that a more advanced civilisation could use.
CLINHEH
excuse me but i am more convinced now than ever , i just read about these rockets the government is sending out into space with plutonium on them one with 27 pounds on it. which to me if there was any higher evolved beings in our galaxy they would not allow us to throw our garbage at them. and then i thought being such primitive barbarians that we are to these advanced beings they would not allow us to come near them then i realised we can go up all we want to mars etc, but in all this time we can only go down so far which isnt that far. wonder why? because the aliens are not coming from up there they are coming from insidr the earththey live on diamonds and giant emeralds those are the planets . as above so below. maybe where the time line ends in geology the doorway is. perhaps it is ourselves from the future or the past, maybe this earth is a time machine and we are just waiting to get in it. who knows but i strongly suggest not to get caught up in the fear of aliens invading us and that whole thing . we are the only dangerous beings . if they do come the reason why they are more evolved is because they are not violent. this was just a thought im not saying i totally believe this to be true just another way to think of it. thankyou
kaneda
CLINHEH. Th nearest star is some 25,000,000,000,000 miles away and the nearest inhabited solar system to ours is probably many times that distance away. Nothing we can do here at present is going to affect aliens living elsewhere.

I think we would be able to detect giant gemstones inside the Earth, and gemstones are generally inert in the sense that nothing could live on them as you describe.

The Earth has been where it is for billions of years. I am sure if someone wants to build a time machine they will do it on a less wasteful scale.

Aliens invading us would be like us invading a civilisation from around 400 years ago. We would not stand a chance so it is a waste of time worrying about it. I think there are too few civilisations about and we would have nothing they need.
fivedoughnut
kaneda,

400 years is nothin'; formation of Earth-like planets peaked around 1.8 billion years ago, so any life similar to our own (loosely speaking/carbon based) will have had a little head start. They're probably far more removed from us as we are from bacteria ..... hence the lack of contact; when's the last time you engaged in chit-chat with 'sneeze bugs' ..... hey, Bruce Voigt & dud1 don't count, as they're of a far lower order laugh.gif

Contact? ..... Contact 400 more like! laugh.gif
KKris
Guys, I don't think you people took time to look at some of the awesome video links that I mentioned in the last post.

Take a look at them for you won't deny their existence anymore. Also, there are hundreds of UFOs caught by the NASA camera and they have indeed accepted their presence.

Take a look at the following also: smile.gif

Analyzing NASA Camera UFOs - Amazing speed

Shocking!US government staff confirm UFOs are real

Grumpy
KKris

A UFO is UNIDENTIFIED, not IDENTIFIED AS ALIEN VISITORS. Whatever was captured in those videos it was not evidence of alien life forms visiting the Earth.

As much as I would like to think it possible to get around the relitivistic limitations of the universe, we see that they still operate even close to extreme (and extremely powerful) objects like Black Holes and Quasars, so I don't think there is anything puny humans can do to violate the light speed limit, therefore no visiting.

Grumpy cool.gif
KKris
Hey! Grumpy, you can remain skeptical like this until you see an UFO for yourself, may be even after seeing one!! tongue.gif
Grumpy
KKris

I have seen many UFOs in my life, that does not mean any of them were aliens. The laws of the universe preclude visits by other civilizations.

Grumpy cool.gif
DiamondJim
Given centuries or even decades it is possible to travel to nearby solar systems at sub-light speed. I would like to think that there is some as yet unknown way around the light barrier that we will discover one day. I find it encouraging that UFO sightings went up within just a few years of the fist nuclear bombs being exploded on earth so that could be circumstantial evidence for faster than light UFO's.
gmilam
QUOTE (DiamondJim+Feb 26 2007, 05:13 AM)
I find it encouraging that UFO sightings went up within just a few years of the fist nuclear bombs being exploded on earth so that could be circumstantial evidence for faster than light UFO's.

It could also be circumstantial evidence for seceret military projects...

Or it could be evidence of people's nuclear fueled imaginations.
KKris
QUOTE
Or it could be evidence of people's nuclear fueled imaginations.


It's better to have some imagination rather than being without one like you people who believe in nothing! biggrin.gif
kaneda
gmilam. There has been mass sightings of UFO's when they have been seen by many thousands. They have buzzed towns in America including Washington DC as well as towns in other countries. UFO's have been seen by pilots, astronomers, air traffic controllers, the military, and other trustworthy people. Also by Jimmy Carter who promised to expose the conspiracy of silence when he was made President, then suddenly went quiet when he was. There are also historic accounts as well as the knowledge about a companion to Sirius which was known to primitive tribesmen (Dogons) before it was known to astronomers.

We have been treated to laughable explanations regarding them which fall apart on the slightest inspection (ie: It was the planet Venus, though bullets bounced off of it and Venus was not visible from that hemisphere at that time).
Fynlcut
It's only a UFO until you identify it. Then it is a hoax, military aircraft, alien space ship etc...etc...

I have seen UFOs, but never an alien spacecraft
KKris
QUOTE
No warnings for 3 months then I start debating with AlphaEulerNumeric and showing him wrong and I get 3 warnings in 16 days. Even dad1 can win arguments using such a system



kaneda, what kind of warnings were they? were they genuine? If people(AlphaEulerNumeric) cannot take arguments sportive then why do they bother posting?

This is a discussion forum which equally encourages discussion and argument from people around the world. I think it is illegitimate to warn somebody who likes to just express their opinion in a forum like this.

Arguments should not be taken personally as I guess this forum through science brings people together as one big community by sharing our (diverse) ideas.
KKris
Did you people read this following news?


http://www.physorg.com/news91888237.html
N O M
Fly half way around the cosmos, joyride past a couple of drunks, land in a cornfield, shove a probe up philip347, go home. That makes sense.
sirfiroth
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 7 2007, 01:30 AM)
Fly half way around the cosmos, joyride past a couple of drunks, land in a cornfield, shove a probe up philip347, go home. That makes sense.

wink.gif Don't you know they are gathering seaman samples to regenerate the dwindling gene pool of their race. They shared their technology with world governments in order to have access to our gene pool. We are too valuable a commodity to them to let us destroy ourselves.

I say this tongue in cheek. wink.gif


________________
No matter where you go, or what you do, you do so within the confines of your own head.
Physfan
QUOTE
Fly half way around the cosmos, joyride past a couple of drunks, land in a cornfield, shove a probe up philip347, go home. That makes sense.

Agreed, but this part SHOULD happen.
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Fly half way around the cosmos, joyride past a couple of drunks, land in a cornfield, shove a probe up philip347, go home. That makes sense.

Agreed, but this part SHOULD happen.
shove a probe up philip347

Physfan smile.gifsmile.gif
philip347
Actually according to Whitley Strieber, its a little electrical animal, that crawls up your anus, looking for polyps.

Allot of aliens use the probes, only for diagnosis and don't shove them up you, as they have other instrumentation that does this.
N O M
QUOTE (philip347+Mar 7 2007, 05:44 PM)
Actually according to Whitley Strieber, its a little electrical animal, that crawls up your anus, looking for polyps.

beware the alien glow-gerbils ph34r.gif
philip347
NOM said> [Fly half way around the cosmos, joyride past a couple of drunks, land in a cornfield, shove a probe up philip347, go home. That makes sense. ]|

Philip replies; I think that this process that you mention is known as extension voyeurism?

Simply put, since there is no motis mentioned to the probes you want to insert, this would mean that secretly, you would want to insert something else.

Do I have that right, your saying that you like me, or are attracted to me?

What about the rest that seconded his motion, are you all, "it seems, equally as gay"?

I am not one to chide anyone, on their determination in life.
N O M
With your lack of any grasp on reality, it is no surprise you can't understand the concept of irony.

You and your fellow probees are the only ones with the anal fixation
philip347
No, you mentioned it here first, so its you!
N O M
As an example of how ridiculous some of the UFO theories are.

You are the one claiming to hav been abducted and probed.
philip347
This thread has gone off topic:

I did claim that I was abducted, but not probed.

*Notes, basically what the problem is with this thread, is that when people come out about anything, to do with this encounters, with said E.T.s, they are harassed.

Sometimes the circumstance either around, or following these encounters, are extremely traumatic and leave a psychological scar.

There is a why, to whoever has had these encounters, should come forth, regardless as to whether we as a world, might go into another catastrophe.

This reason, is that in the future tense, there might be a recompense for either the people who have had missing time abduction encounters, or some level of better understanding offered.

These encounters, in a way, are similar to a post surgery state of mentality for the people who have had them.

So people on-board, might either be paid to harass and humitate, or they are just plain cruel?

So the general idea, is even though you are harassed, please come out and tell of your encounter.

From what I can tell, mankind is a farmed engineered species and in-part it seems is leased to an extent to be allowed here on Earth.

So if this is the case, then in some way, maybe in a future tense, mankind as a product of Earth, will receive his or hers recompense, for the simple act of being honest?

*Note, as said in my encounters, maybe there would be a medical gene factor, that might be the concern of someone in the future, that is somehow touching me now?

By synchronistic chance, in a way, the same circumstances are told of, in the movie, Ultraviolet.

Please also note, that as now exposed, in the old doings of the past Soviet Union, there were actual experiments conducted, to produce a cross between humans and chimpanzees, to try and perfect, a more perfect soldier.This fact was exposed a while back and is true.

There are it seems, allot of fringe hidden genetics experiments, that may have gone back into the gene poll.These links in some way, of course should have some airing, so that others in need of this information may one day benefit from it.
KKris
People who deny the existence of UFOs are forgetting the fact that they are only helping some power loving people who still are a threat to those who wanted to reveal the truth about the UFOs.
thinkbig!
QUOTE (KKris+Mar 10 2007, 10:58 PM)
People who deny the existence of UFOs are forgetting the fact that they are only helping some power loving people who still are a threat to those who wanted to reveal the truth about the UFOs.

The gov loves ufo fanatics. It takes the focus off the fact that they are secretly testing. It's the perfect cover for there controversial testing. None of what i just said is fact. But i feel like that makes more sense than a bunch of martians flying around occasionally landing on earth.
N O M
QUOTE (philip347+Mar 9 2007, 06:35 PM)
I did claim that I was abducted, but not probed.

In the BioChip, Electronic Men thread philip347 said:
QUOTE (philip347+Jan 16 2007, 07:40 AM)
I cannot wear a beneath the skin transponder.My body attacks them.

I am honest and know that I have been abducted before.

They placed an implant in the meat of my anus, that at certain times, would heat up, to alarming temperatures.

I was re-abducted and that agency removed it.

So I guess I am a good boy?
Where you telling a lie then? or now?
Not a good boy, no.

QUOTE
By synchronistic chance, in a way, the same circumstances are told of, in the movie, Ultraviolet.
laugh.gif so you are a vampire too now laugh.gif
kaneda
Unless you believe that there is no life on any of the other maybe thirty billion, trillion planets in the universe and that faster than light travel is impossible then you have to accept the possibility that UFO's exist and have visited Earth. As to their abducting people, this does seem a bit of a primitive way for an advanced civilisation to go about their business.
N O M
I'm certain there is life elsewhere in the universe, and very likely in our galaxy. Some will be more advanced than us. The ods of them having noticed us yet are remote. Even if they did, they would have better things to do than abduct philip347.
thinkbig!
hahaha, I just read some of the most recent posts. again hahahaha. Thats all. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
kaneda
NOM. It is believed that the next generation space telescopes will be able to detect emissions of life as well as industrial pollution in the atmosphere of planets of nearby solar systems.
Singularity
Thanks, those UFO video say a lot about the change the world has came about since controlled press and media by governments.

If Iraq invasion is to mint tax money in name of WMD. Theres no way those in power will ever reveal any crash landings of Alien space crafts. Those craft when reverse engineered can give unquestioned powers through patenting for generation. So if we want to free the world from Capitalist Dictatorship , we got to fight the patents.
N O M
It is interesting that the government that is most accused of controlling the press is the same government whose military developed and released the internet that everyone is so free on now.
Singularity
QUOTE
It is interesting that the government that is most accused of controlling the press is the same government whose military developed and released the internet that everyone is so free on now.


Obviously they never thought things will go way this out of control.
kaneda
Singularity. When Jimmy Carter stood for election, he said he had seen a UFO and would uncover the government conspiracy if he got elected. Carter got elected and......silence. That says it all if even the President is gagged.
N O M
Or that once he had all the facts he realised how stupid his earlier statements were.
PhysOrg scientific forums are totally dedicated to science, physics, and technology. Besides topical forums such as nanotechnology, quantum physics, silicon and III-V technology, applied physics, materials, space and others, you can also join our news and publications discussions. We also provide an off-topic forum category. If you need specific help on a scientific problem or have a question related to physics or technology, visit the PhysOrg Forums. Here you’ll find experts from various fields online every day.
To quit out of "lo-fi" mode and return to the regular forums, please click here.