QUOTE (mott.carl+Jun 3 2007, 12:58 PM)
when think that increase the dimension of time,might increase also the dimension
of space to occur the exchange between its?
the the universe is made for multiverses,each one with properities differents in the
spacetime?but always appear the connections between all?
Mott, voce assassina a conversa desse jeito! Eh impossivel saber o que voce esta falando.
Mott, you assassinate the thread like this. It's impossible to know what you are saying.
of space to occur the exchange between its?
the the universe is made for multiverses,each one with properities differents in the
spacetime?but always appear the connections between all?
Mott, voce assassina a conversa desse jeito! Eh impossivel saber o que voce esta falando.
Mott, you assassinate the thread like this. It's impossible to know what you are saying.
QUOTE (Solid State Universe+May 30 2007, 06:10 PM)
Relate charge to a spatial-temporal relationship and there's no need for anything self-referential to the charge concept because it falls naturally out of the assumption of a compact temporal dimension.
It can be related to anything which has diametrically opposed things. So hot/cold, good/evil, 1 or 0, etc. You are simply taking charge, and slapping it onto 'time', whilst then trying to add the possibility of time being traversable either way.
Temporal explanations for charge, are totally unsubstantiated.
It can be related to anything which has diametrically opposed things. So hot/cold, good/evil, 1 or 0, etc. You are simply taking charge, and slapping it onto 'time', whilst then trying to add the possibility of time being traversable either way.
Temporal explanations for charge, are totally unsubstantiated.
SR.Moraes
you must know what in am saying,or your knowledge of physics is very weak.
the difference between the forces of interactions between the electromagnetic and
gravitational fields.these differences that difficult the unifications between the
both forces.its quantitative values are immenses between its.then is possible
that occur two times( dimensions),with differences between its.then the variable time.as the second dimension,that have other congruent dimension,that is the fouth-dimension of the space.then spatial-temporal continuities are the dimensions
of time that are curved,then the second time is compacted in 4D minkowskian,but
appear in the asymmetry between the differences of opposed spinors( left-right
handed rotations),that does appear two-dimensions in sphere in eight-dimensions,that becomes symmetrics the transformations of left-handed spinors to
right-handed spinors and viceversa.then this ultra-hyperbolic,generate the symmetry between the spinor rotations through of the second dimension of time.
SR.MORAES,I ASSASSINO THE LINGUAGEM E VOCE A FALTA DE CONHECIMENTOS OF FISICA.SE VOCE NÃO ENTENDE MEUS PENSAMENTOS.FIQUE
NA SUA.OK
you must know what in am saying,or your knowledge of physics is very weak.
the difference between the forces of interactions between the electromagnetic and
gravitational fields.these differences that difficult the unifications between the
both forces.its quantitative values are immenses between its.then is possible
that occur two times( dimensions),with differences between its.then the variable time.as the second dimension,that have other congruent dimension,that is the fouth-dimension of the space.then spatial-temporal continuities are the dimensions
of time that are curved,then the second time is compacted in 4D minkowskian,but
appear in the asymmetry between the differences of opposed spinors( left-right
handed rotations),that does appear two-dimensions in sphere in eight-dimensions,that becomes symmetrics the transformations of left-handed spinors to
right-handed spinors and viceversa.then this ultra-hyperbolic,generate the symmetry between the spinor rotations through of the second dimension of time.
SR.MORAES,I ASSASSINO THE LINGUAGEM E VOCE A FALTA DE CONHECIMENTOS OF FISICA.SE VOCE NÃO ENTENDE MEUS PENSAMENTOS.FIQUE
NA SUA.OK
solid state universe
i also believe that the particles are created in pairs,through of splitted universe
in 4dimensions of space and two-dimensions of time.then the positrons and electrons are spacetime state differents.then the the secondtime of rime appear as
reversion of CPT,but that in different states of time are the time-variable,connected to the fourth-dimension of space.
the stuckelberg-feynman tranformations,that are both lorentz transformations(antichrous and orthochrous),that are transformations from electron to positrons
and viceversa),then the strings have dimension of time greater than 1,and
the space in 3D is curved.then the strings are dual,or is bivector.
appear that ours ideas has several similarities.
i also believe that the particles are created in pairs,through of splitted universe
in 4dimensions of space and two-dimensions of time.then the positrons and electrons are spacetime state differents.then the the secondtime of rime appear as
reversion of CPT,but that in different states of time are the time-variable,connected to the fourth-dimension of space.
the stuckelberg-feynman tranformations,that are both lorentz transformations(antichrous and orthochrous),that are transformations from electron to positrons
and viceversa),then the strings have dimension of time greater than 1,and
the space in 3D is curved.then the strings are dual,or is bivector.
appear that ours ideas has several similarities.
Agreed.
I had some ideas for constructing fractional point charges required for quarks out of arrangements of electron-positron pairs.
I had some ideas for constructing fractional point charges required for quarks out of arrangements of electron-positron pairs.
I remain thinking in time with two-dimension,curvatures of spacetimes,breakdown of operator of symmetry PT,and remain thinking in the possibles of linkings between the Reverse time-dilatation,that is the antiparticles running backward in time,how much more fast the object is whether moving.then what the relation between the time-dilatation and quantic enterglement?go to forward or backward in time would be as rotate left or right handed,as if the spacetime was a closed loops,where the spacetime are generated by two opposed directions,and these contrary rotations are quaternions calculed by multiplications that are non-commutative,and in itself is 4-dimensional.completed by it conjugated with two-times-variable and proper ( u',v'),that are the biquaternions traduced by operations in mirrors,that demonstrate asymmetry in the transformations by reflections of PT,and C,the proper helicity of the matter that polarize the vaccum.
C is conserved,and PT is collapsed.
C is conserved,and PT is collapsed.
then have the time splitting the space in left-right lateral(through of left handed and right-handed rotations,with spinors time that define through of rotations from left-handed to right-handed and viceversa,that gives the metric of the time,that
measure the space.in each point or intervals of spacetime),and the time given by the metrics of spinors.then the bifurcations ,realize multiples spacetimes,each one
with an energy state,linked to the spinors of spacetime,is the universal wavefunction.
measure the space.in each point or intervals of spacetime),and the time given by the metrics of spinors.then the bifurcations ,realize multiples spacetimes,each one
with an energy state,linked to the spinors of spacetime,is the universal wavefunction.
i think what two-time universe can be calculed and define the metrics of spacetime,through of the creation of pairs.thence appear the parametrizations of
two times,doing connect the curvatures of spacetime,doing two opposite twisting to the space.then could conclude that the origin of the deformations spatio-temporal( time dilatation),is associated at quantic enterglement,that produce the violation of CPT,and the both lorentz transformations.then the spinors are asymetrics,the that measure the curvatures of spacetime,generated by differences
between the spins of left-handed and right-handed
two times,doing connect the curvatures of spacetime,doing two opposite twisting to the space.then could conclude that the origin of the deformations spatio-temporal( time dilatation),is associated at quantic enterglement,that produce the violation of CPT,and the both lorentz transformations.then the spinors are asymetrics,the that measure the curvatures of spacetime,generated by differences
between the spins of left-handed and right-handed
time is not spatial dimension
time is a mathemartical dimension only
see
http://cph-theory.persiangig.com/1981-timenmerical.pdf
so your speculations about two time universe are wrong
time is a mathemartical dimension only
see
http://cph-theory.persiangig.com/1981-timenmerical.pdf
so your speculations about two time universe are wrong
Do you already imagined that the relative motion between two-times,that if deslocate in opposed directions,can generate the annulation of the TIME?
we are wanting a Reversal lorentz transformations that follow the closed curvatures,para-compacted,and not completely in fourth-dimension of the universe,appearing parts EXOTICS in its structures;it is the asymmetry between the rotations of left-handed and right-hande to the spins,that determine the metrics
of the curves of spacetimes.have that the connections of space and time aren't
isomorphics and are quasi-ismetrics.
the RLT annule through of the transformations of elliptica geometry into of hyperbolics and viceversa,through of bi-vector and dual spinors.then the transformations by rotations,that are asymmetrics only can be generated by matrice products 4 x 4 ( 4-dimensions spatio-temporal) are non-commutatives,and
if correspond with holomorphic transformations in sphere of 8-dimensions,that are
extended by Biquaternions or Octonions,depending of the structure of the manifolds.
then RLT,imply that the Time-dilatation has as counterpart the reverse time dilatations,that occur due to the shrunking of space( appearing in the temporal
dilatation,and the distension of space occur by reverse time dilatation).then the
twin that travel in the space,with deformations in the spins of left-handed and in the return the deformations is spin of right-handed.occurinf the cancelling of
divergence vector and curl vector.
thence the twin paradox and spin enteglament are due to the non-commutative
differential geometry,then occur the asymmetry between the transformations
in the space and also in the time.
we are wanting a Reversal lorentz transformations that follow the closed curvatures,para-compacted,and not completely in fourth-dimension of the universe,appearing parts EXOTICS in its structures;it is the asymmetry between the rotations of left-handed and right-hande to the spins,that determine the metrics
of the curves of spacetimes.have that the connections of space and time aren't
isomorphics and are quasi-ismetrics.
the RLT annule through of the transformations of elliptica geometry into of hyperbolics and viceversa,through of bi-vector and dual spinors.then the transformations by rotations,that are asymmetrics only can be generated by matrice products 4 x 4 ( 4-dimensions spatio-temporal) are non-commutatives,and
if correspond with holomorphic transformations in sphere of 8-dimensions,that are
extended by Biquaternions or Octonions,depending of the structure of the manifolds.
then RLT,imply that the Time-dilatation has as counterpart the reverse time dilatations,that occur due to the shrunking of space( appearing in the temporal
dilatation,and the distension of space occur by reverse time dilatation).then the
twin that travel in the space,with deformations in the spins of left-handed and in the return the deformations is spin of right-handed.occurinf the cancelling of
divergence vector and curl vector.
thence the twin paradox and spin enteglament are due to the non-commutative
differential geometry,then occur the asymmetry between the transformations
in the space and also in the time.
might be you are not aware what you talk about
so much "mind salad"
so much "mind salad"
Amrit-i just am saying that time is the functional derivative of the space,and the
equal velocity(or speed is illusion?),and the second derivative of time is acceleration,that explain the changes of speed,and generate the pseudo-euclidean
geometry( hyperbolic rotation groups),that are curves of spacetime.and curvatures
more amplied of spacetime are linked to elliptic rotations groups,it is elliptic curves
that foliate the surfaces of spheres or torus,embedded in pseudo-riemannian manifolds,that the metrics are calculated by curvatures of spacetimes,warped and twisted by "forces" that deform that the structure spatial,generating differents curvatures of spacetimes,that are given by elliptic rotation groups,non-symmetrics,
that does appear two distict spins.
how much the question mind salad,is questions of vision.in science cannot to put
ours phylosophyc ideas over of the scientic reality9 mathematics and physics)
equal velocity(or speed is illusion?),and the second derivative of time is acceleration,that explain the changes of speed,and generate the pseudo-euclidean
geometry( hyperbolic rotation groups),that are curves of spacetime.and curvatures
more amplied of spacetime are linked to elliptic rotations groups,it is elliptic curves
that foliate the surfaces of spheres or torus,embedded in pseudo-riemannian manifolds,that the metrics are calculated by curvatures of spacetimes,warped and twisted by "forces" that deform that the structure spatial,generating differents curvatures of spacetimes,that are given by elliptic rotation groups,non-symmetrics,
that does appear two distict spins.
how much the question mind salad,is questions of vision.in science cannot to put
ours phylosophyc ideas over of the scientic reality9 mathematics and physics)
time is mumerical order of events that run into space
that is the first canon of modern physics
all other based on that
acceleration has nothing to do with the time
acceleration has to do with the change of speed of motion
time is here numerical order which indicates acceleration of motion
that is the first canon of modern physics
all other based on that
acceleration has nothing to do with the time
acceleration has to do with the change of speed of motion
time is here numerical order which indicates acceleration of motion
I think we had all better take a step back on this debate because this physicist seems to be a real two timer to me.
you accord by newton
dv/dt =a and d^2x/ dt^2=a.This is correct?.newton.magically reduces F=md^2x/
dt^2 to F=ma.without notation vectorial.newton there reduces the entity force =
m(absolute).aceleration,constant to the space and time,absolutes.here,in the time
of it,he was genius.If space and time are variables with the velocity(where a,is constant) to the second derivative that is the time,through of partial differential equations.if t and x are variables,could think in the time as t' and u',one proper time( retarded) or potential( that is time) and other u' proper time( advanced) or
potential ( that is the other parameter to t0.then t=t' + u').
THIS IS MIND SALAD? PLEASE.
then the time with two-parameters or two-dimensions,as will call,avoid the impossible.
the non-existence of time.what means?then there is not speed or acceleration.
dv/dt =a and d^2x/ dt^2=a.This is correct?.newton.magically reduces F=md^2x/
dt^2 to F=ma.without notation vectorial.newton there reduces the entity force =
m(absolute).aceleration,constant to the space and time,absolutes.here,in the time
of it,he was genius.If space and time are variables with the velocity(where a,is constant) to the second derivative that is the time,through of partial differential equations.if t and x are variables,could think in the time as t' and u',one proper time( retarded) or potential( that is time) and other u' proper time( advanced) or
potential ( that is the other parameter to t0.then t=t' + u').
THIS IS MIND SALAD? PLEASE.
then the time with two-parameters or two-dimensions,as will call,avoid the impossible.
the non-existence of time.what means?then there is not speed or acceleration.
SOLID STATE UNIVERSE
what your oppinion on the work of GEORGE SPARLING ON THE UNIVERSE WITH
THREE-DIMENSIONS OF TIME,and the DIFFERENTIAL GEOMETRY OF CARTAN.
DO YOU HAVE THIS COMPLETE ARTICLE OF SPARLING?
thank you very much
what your oppinion on the work of GEORGE SPARLING ON THE UNIVERSE WITH
THREE-DIMENSIONS OF TIME,and the DIFFERENTIAL GEOMETRY OF CARTAN.
DO YOU HAVE THIS COMPLETE ARTICLE OF SPARLING?
thank you very much
AMRIT
If "GOD" didn't all its "MIRACLES" in an ACT ONLY ONE;and yes did in multiples
ACT,then GOD created the TIME.Because to create the Universe in multiples ACTS,THEREFORE MIGHT TO DO IN TIMES.THEN THE TIME EXIST,until TO "GOD".
THEN THE ALL MUST THERE IS IN "ONE TIME"
EXCUSE ME FOR THE METHAPHORY.
If "GOD" didn't all its "MIRACLES" in an ACT ONLY ONE;and yes did in multiples
ACT,then GOD created the TIME.Because to create the Universe in multiples ACTS,THEREFORE MIGHT TO DO IN TIMES.THEN THE TIME EXIST,until TO "GOD".
THEN THE ALL MUST THERE IS IN "ONE TIME"
EXCUSE ME FOR THE METHAPHORY.
QUOTE (mott.carl+Jun 20 2007, 04:34 PM)
you accord by newton
dv/dt =a and d^2x/ dt^2=a.This is correct?.newton.magically reduces F=md^2x/
dt^2 to F=ma.without notation vectorial.newton there reduces the entity force =
m(absolute).aceleration,constant to the space and time,absolutes.here,in the time
of it,he was genius.If space and time are variables with the velocity(where a,is constant) to the second derivative that is the time,through of partial differential equations.if t and x are variables,could think in the time as t' and u',one proper time( retarded) or potential( that is time) and other u' proper time( advanced) or
potential ( that is the other parameter to t0.then t=t' + u').
THIS IS MIND SALAD? PLEASE.
then the time with two-parameters or two-dimensions,as will call,avoid the impossible.
the non-existence of time.what means?then there is not speed or acceleration.
F = m x a
a = acceleration happens into space only and not in time
time is numerical order of accelerated motion
we measute it with clocks
dv/dt =a and d^2x/ dt^2=a.This is correct?.newton.magically reduces F=md^2x/
dt^2 to F=ma.without notation vectorial.newton there reduces the entity force =
m(absolute).aceleration,constant to the space and time,absolutes.here,in the time
of it,he was genius.If space and time are variables with the velocity(where a,is constant) to the second derivative that is the time,through of partial differential equations.if t and x are variables,could think in the time as t' and u',one proper time( retarded) or potential( that is time) and other u' proper time( advanced) or
potential ( that is the other parameter to t0.then t=t' + u').
THIS IS MIND SALAD? PLEASE.
then the time with two-parameters or two-dimensions,as will call,avoid the impossible.
the non-existence of time.what means?then there is not speed or acceleration.
F = m x a
a = acceleration happens into space only and not in time
time is numerical order of accelerated motion
we measute it with clocks
follows that the universe is dual.the duality between the space and time is a
symmetry.the time is dual;the light is polarizated,as well as the matter is chiral
symmetry.the time is dual;the light is polarizated,as well as the matter is chiral
QUOTE (mott.carl+Jun 20 2007, 08:30 PM)
GOD created the TIME
Time can begin on it's own, without anything starting it.
Time can begin on it's own, without anything starting it.
Bryn
do you believe what the time travel from the infinity past to infinity future?
then the time existed always?
and the space must be by that reason,also infinty,sure?
do you believe what the time travel from the infinity past to infinity future?
then the time existed always?
and the space must be by that reason,also infinty,sure?
QUOTE (mott.carl+Jun 21 2007, 02:29 PM)
do you believe what the time travel from the infinity past to infinity future?
then the time existed always?
and the space must be by that reason,also infinty,sure?
No, I don't believe that time has an infinite past, because otherwise, we would be experiencing the end of that infinity, right now.
The only prerequisite of time, is that it begins.
Plus, I don't believe time travel is possible, because I don't believe space or time are tangible.
then the time existed always?
and the space must be by that reason,also infinty,sure?
No, I don't believe that time has an infinite past, because otherwise, we would be experiencing the end of that infinity, right now.
The only prerequisite of time, is that it begins.
Plus, I don't believe time travel is possible, because I don't believe space or time are tangible.
QUOTE (Bryn Richards+Jun 21 2007, 05:06 PM)
No, I don't believe that time has an infinite past, because otherwise, we would be experiencing the end of that infinity, right now.
The only prerequisite of time, is that it begins.
Plus, I don't believe time travel is possible, because I don't believe space or time are tangible.
Bryn.
You assume time is not discrete.
If time is quantitized, it begins and end with every moment.
The infinite past and infinite future do not exist.
There would only be now.
If space and time are not tangible, what am I typing on?
The only prerequisite of time, is that it begins.
Plus, I don't believe time travel is possible, because I don't believe space or time are tangible.
Bryn.
You assume time is not discrete.
If time is quantitized, it begins and end with every moment.
The infinite past and infinite future do not exist.
There would only be now.
If space and time are not tangible, what am I typing on?
Solid state universe
please,what your oppinion about the universe of Sparling.
please,what your oppinion about the universe of Sparling.
About time and space..
I would like to tell you my idea about time and space. I'm from the Netherlands and try to argue about relativity. If you are able to read Dutch I would suggest to read something of my idea's at http://rudolfhendriques.volkskrantblog.nl/
I think we should put relativity upside down to really see the fourth dimension,
I hope you will give me a little reply about my idea's.
Is consciousness the border of the universe?
Since the mind and life institute is trying to explain more about science and spiritualism I would like to tell my idea about consciousness. I think that men is looking in the wrong direction with A. Einstein’s relativity theory. Not the light is moving, we are moving trough time and space with the speed of "light". That's about 300.000km/sec. Light itself is only an energy leaving his source as a trail into the direction of the past time.
At the speed of light there is no time. So nothing can move.
From the point of view from a person each distance is a possibility into the future. While we travel trough time we are able to see all options what the light is showing us from a point of view from a possible place in the future.
To make my idea clear I wrote the following text...
I would like to explain why the relativity theory of Einstein is wrong. Important to know is that I think that this must understandable for many people in a very simple way. The issue I try to prove with my idea is that our own consciousness ( the "now") is the absolute border of the universe. Tomorrow does not exist yet, so space and time of tomorrow do not exist. The only thing that really exist is the absolute moment what we call “now”. To explain this I have to prove that the speed of light is not 300.000km/sec but actually zero. I know that this sounds completely strange but read on and I will try to explain you in a short way how I think to prove this.
The first thing is that time seems to stop at the speed of light. So that there is no time. If time stops at light speed, how can something move if there is no time to move? Looking to the twin paradox a traveler trough space leaves the earth and comes back and is only 1 second older. The person on Earth is than for example 2 years older while he was traveling 30km/sec around the sun.
If the traveler trough space only became one second older, he never could make a longer trip than 300.000km. He had only 1sec to travel! The person on earth was traveling in the same "period" at least 30km/sec trough space because that is the speed of earth around the sun. Well, 2 years x 30km/sec is a lot more than 300.000km.
Off course I have to explain a lot more than this, I just hope that I can open some eyes of the scientists working with this theory. If the relativity theory is relative, you also should try to look to it from a different perspective.. If light moves with 300.000km/sec one way, we are moving with the same speed the other way. Notice that we measure seconds, not the photon. You need time to move.
I would like to tell a lot more about the way it is possible that we can "see" things if light is not moving, also this is not to difficult to understand. From the point of view from the individual all other things you see are possibilities in the future. The person travels trough time (to tomorrow and so on...) while light leaves a trail into the past from the point of view in a possible future.
I hope that you understand my idea and would like to show the people why Einstein was a bit wrong, he was just looking in the wrong direction. The idea of a multiversum is so a lot closer to mankind (everyone is the middle and the border of his own universe) and our consciousness is the border of the universe. We can choose our own future by acting.
Further do I hope that you understand that this is just my basic idea of time and consciousness. There is a lot more to think about if my idea is really a possibility.
If you are interested in my idea's a can try to translate my texts, I hope you will understand that I only had 4 year's of English classes and that I'm not such a good writer. My apologize for that.
Best regards,
Rudolfhendriques
I would like to tell you my idea about time and space. I'm from the Netherlands and try to argue about relativity. If you are able to read Dutch I would suggest to read something of my idea's at http://rudolfhendriques.volkskrantblog.nl/
I think we should put relativity upside down to really see the fourth dimension,
I hope you will give me a little reply about my idea's.
Is consciousness the border of the universe?
Since the mind and life institute is trying to explain more about science and spiritualism I would like to tell my idea about consciousness. I think that men is looking in the wrong direction with A. Einstein’s relativity theory. Not the light is moving, we are moving trough time and space with the speed of "light". That's about 300.000km/sec. Light itself is only an energy leaving his source as a trail into the direction of the past time.
At the speed of light there is no time. So nothing can move.
From the point of view from a person each distance is a possibility into the future. While we travel trough time we are able to see all options what the light is showing us from a point of view from a possible place in the future.
To make my idea clear I wrote the following text...
I would like to explain why the relativity theory of Einstein is wrong. Important to know is that I think that this must understandable for many people in a very simple way. The issue I try to prove with my idea is that our own consciousness ( the "now") is the absolute border of the universe. Tomorrow does not exist yet, so space and time of tomorrow do not exist. The only thing that really exist is the absolute moment what we call “now”. To explain this I have to prove that the speed of light is not 300.000km/sec but actually zero. I know that this sounds completely strange but read on and I will try to explain you in a short way how I think to prove this.
The first thing is that time seems to stop at the speed of light. So that there is no time. If time stops at light speed, how can something move if there is no time to move? Looking to the twin paradox a traveler trough space leaves the earth and comes back and is only 1 second older. The person on Earth is than for example 2 years older while he was traveling 30km/sec around the sun.
If the traveler trough space only became one second older, he never could make a longer trip than 300.000km. He had only 1sec to travel! The person on earth was traveling in the same "period" at least 30km/sec trough space because that is the speed of earth around the sun. Well, 2 years x 30km/sec is a lot more than 300.000km.
Off course I have to explain a lot more than this, I just hope that I can open some eyes of the scientists working with this theory. If the relativity theory is relative, you also should try to look to it from a different perspective.. If light moves with 300.000km/sec one way, we are moving with the same speed the other way. Notice that we measure seconds, not the photon. You need time to move.
I would like to tell a lot more about the way it is possible that we can "see" things if light is not moving, also this is not to difficult to understand. From the point of view from the individual all other things you see are possibilities in the future. The person travels trough time (to tomorrow and so on...) while light leaves a trail into the past from the point of view in a possible future.
I hope that you understand my idea and would like to show the people why Einstein was a bit wrong, he was just looking in the wrong direction. The idea of a multiversum is so a lot closer to mankind (everyone is the middle and the border of his own universe) and our consciousness is the border of the universe. We can choose our own future by acting.
Further do I hope that you understand that this is just my basic idea of time and consciousness. There is a lot more to think about if my idea is really a possibility.
If you are interested in my idea's a can try to translate my texts, I hope you will understand that I only had 4 year's of English classes and that I'm not such a good writer. My apologize for that.
Best regards,
Rudolfhendriques
QUOTE (Solid State Universe+Jun 21 2007, 06:09 PM)
If space and time are not tangible, what am I typing on?
A keyboard, comprised of matter. What's your point?
A keyboard, comprised of matter. What's your point?
QUOTE (Bryn Richards+Jun 22 2007, 01:45 AM)
A keyboard, comprised of matter. What's your point?
And you don't see a spatial temporal relationship between this keyboard, this forum, and the rest of the Universe?
And you don't see a spatial temporal relationship between this keyboard, this forum, and the rest of the Universe?
the particles are deffects of the space( topology of spacetime and charge),that are
defined by a metric,that is the time(or multiples times),that are "holes".that are
different densities of energy.then the continuos spacetimes discretes,but contiguos,that unify the quantum and GTR.
defined by a metric,that is the time(or multiples times),that are "holes".that are
different densities of energy.then the continuos spacetimes discretes,but contiguos,that unify the quantum and GTR.
Defect or artifact?
QUOTE (Solid State Universe+Jun 23 2007, 10:43 PM)
Defect or artifact?
Defart?
Defart?
QUOTE (Bryn Richards+Jun 21 2007, 03:21 PM)
Time can begin on it's own, without anything starting it.
Time only needs something to happen to exist. In a completely empty universe with the occasional particles popping in and out of existence, when there was no particles present there would be no time.
Time only needs something to happen to exist. In a completely empty universe with the occasional particles popping in and out of existence, when there was no particles present there would be no time.
Solid state universe-is defect.or topologic defect
AIMORAES,ARTEFATO DE BABACA.
Thanks, you strengthened my view
I just wondered with my hypothesis of multiple universes, where in my view a big bang starts a universe and which thus should end (like in a big crunch or anything). This single bead forms a universe with its own time. but my hypothesis (assumption) believed that other universes still co exist with separation of time, making me say that, you may have a creature sitting beside u, but he is separated through a long long time. I always wondered if this separation were time, what could be the thing that we see spending while doing some work (and also if nothing is done).lol
But this view makes it very clear that multiple universes exist and are separated through so called 2nd dimension of time. Classical way to overcome this way is to pass through big crunch and re-evolve in big bang and traveling through extra time (observed one- so called 1st dimension of time in the new universe. Now the only bypass are wormholes but still here the formula E=mc^2 holds true which will say that passage through worm holes (and now it can be called as time travel - but time of 2nd dimension) will cause loss of all information. That is whole body made of carbon and nitrogen and so many elements will churn up into data less energy (I dont know the term Energy is universal for all universes) and thus while rebuilding structures a structure similar to before can never be obtained.
however this idea never says about the relationships about the behavior of time in other universes. And thus N number of dimensions are generated with the interrelationship between the non related dimensions of these multiple universes.
Please help me correcting my idea and view. comments and critics are welcomes.
Please contact me on
creative.saurabh@gmail.com
I just wondered with my hypothesis of multiple universes, where in my view a big bang starts a universe and which thus should end (like in a big crunch or anything). This single bead forms a universe with its own time. but my hypothesis (assumption) believed that other universes still co exist with separation of time, making me say that, you may have a creature sitting beside u, but he is separated through a long long time. I always wondered if this separation were time, what could be the thing that we see spending while doing some work (and also if nothing is done).lol
But this view makes it very clear that multiple universes exist and are separated through so called 2nd dimension of time. Classical way to overcome this way is to pass through big crunch and re-evolve in big bang and traveling through extra time (observed one- so called 1st dimension of time in the new universe. Now the only bypass are wormholes but still here the formula E=mc^2 holds true which will say that passage through worm holes (and now it can be called as time travel - but time of 2nd dimension) will cause loss of all information. That is whole body made of carbon and nitrogen and so many elements will churn up into data less energy (I dont know the term Energy is universal for all universes) and thus while rebuilding structures a structure similar to before can never be obtained.
however this idea never says about the relationships about the behavior of time in other universes. And thus N number of dimensions are generated with the interrelationship between the non related dimensions of these multiple universes.
Please help me correcting my idea and view. comments and critics are welcomes.
Please contact me on
creative.saurabh@gmail.com
To me this article was very interesting. Now i have to admit to a certain irritation over 'hidden dimensions' but in a way, doesn't time represent one? As well as gravity? Now time and motion :) I love that one. From the viewpoint of that photon, where would time be. As far as i understand, up to 'C' if we implant a consciousness instead of a 'photon' :) there will be time, and that time will, relative to the consciousness experiencing it, be the same 'as always'. Now at the velocity of 'C' one could say that time as compared between two states, that is the universe contra 'the traveler' might be said to change as, de facto, for the consciousness the universe cease to exist in a 'blink of an eye'.But that leave us with another strange effect as we for a fact assume that photons exist and also are traveling at the 'speed of light' ..'C'., nevertheless they 'die' as soon as they hit us, which somehow binds them inside our time even though according to my former example they should exist for ever and we should just 'disappear', no? .. So what is the difference here between my 'consciousness' traveling and the photon traveling? Well, we say that photons have no rest mass, meaning that they somehow are unbound to our three dimensional world, with time being the fourth 'dimension'. So does consciousness have a rest mass then? Hope you can follow this somewhat convoluted reasoning :) Another thing, i find it irritating that photons are both timeless and bound in time :) Stoke up the fire ::))
the existence of two-time to the universe of 3D,would imply in the possibility to explain the spacetime,as continuos and the spacetime,discrete,as in the QT.then the QT would be a distortion produced in the spacetime continuum,and in its metrics,through of the will call "geometrosdynamics foam".then mass and energy
are distortions of the texture of tempoara-spatial temporal.then the two-time.is the distortion that produce symetries that exchange measured of positions and momentum of a particle,without altere it pathway.this appear in second dimension of time that reflect the ordinary temporal dimension.then the bifurcations through
temporal dimension,imply the existence of a space,equivalent,to mantain the
symmetry,as the non-commutativity form,create symmetry groups,in the transition spacelike into timelike and viceversa.
are distortions of the texture of tempoara-spatial temporal.then the two-time.is the distortion that produce symetries that exchange measured of positions and momentum of a particle,without altere it pathway.this appear in second dimension of time that reflect the ordinary temporal dimension.then the bifurcations through
temporal dimension,imply the existence of a space,equivalent,to mantain the
symmetry,as the non-commutativity form,create symmetry groups,in the transition spacelike into timelike and viceversa.
(apologies if this is a repeat).
This issue is strongly reminiscent of work done by
Dewey Larson, starting in the 50s and 60s.
He pushes for 3d time, 3d space.
This issue is strongly reminiscent of work done by
Dewey Larson, starting in the 50s and 60s.
He pushes for 3d time, 3d space.
the universe completely symmetric to the curved spacetime,is generated by 3-spatial dimension and 3D temporal.it can be splitted by 3d of the space as
observed by the time dilatation,due the deformations of a of these coordinates.then have a bivector field and other scalar fields that measure the
variable time,associated to the bivector field,compensates by the scalar,where
emerge the curved spacetime continuos( it is,a non-euvclidean curve spacetime)
observed by the time dilatation,due the deformations of a of these coordinates.then have a bivector field and other scalar fields that measure the
variable time,associated to the bivector field,compensates by the scalar,where
emerge the curved spacetime continuos( it is,a non-euvclidean curve spacetime)
QUOTE (E.L.Earnhardt+May 16 2007, 03:36 AM)
There are as many dimensions of "time" as is necessary to create the illusions we now work with. "Infinity" is one left unexplored. "Cause To Effect" is another. "Zero Time" precedes "Creation"! Etc., Etc.,Etc, THEOLOGY is the only science that deals with an elapsing sequence, and we avoid THAT in fear! There can be no "elapsing sequence" without a "Zero Time" base!
E.L.Earnhardt
Theology isn't a science.
E.L.Earnhardt
Theology isn't a science.
i can imagine how there is 2 dimensions of time by this example
suppose there is obsever with extra dimension than us , he will see us as unchangable creature with 4 dimensions our time dimension .ll be considered to him space dimension ,then he ,ll see our birth and die instantaniously in one moment of his own time , our pst present and future represent to him one moment only and he ,ve his own time which is perpendicular to our 4 space dimension including our time .
i hope that i could give understanding of my idea
i wait ur comments
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suppose there is obsever with extra dimension than us , he will see us as unchangable creature with 4 dimensions our time dimension .ll be considered to him space dimension ,then he ,ll see our birth and die instantaniously in one moment of his own time , our pst present and future represent to him one moment only and he ,ve his own time which is perpendicular to our 4 space dimension including our time .
i hope that i could give understanding of my idea
i wait ur comments
slmlgy@yahoo.com
is a interesting thought
Time is a theory that can't be proved, except for by general consensus. I have often wondered how the theories of physics would change if time were considered only as existing as an unknowably fleeting present moment. If time, and all the universe, were created at this present moment, then everything else either wouldn't exist - like the future, which can never exist without being the present, or else existed eternally outside of the present, like the past.
In this case, there would be two distinct times, one in the past and one in the present. It could explain how things change when observed. I wish someone with actual skill in this field would consider this idea.
Instead of time being a simple line from past to present - raising the paradoxical questions as to what was before and what is after time - perhaps time is generated from the present moment, the only time we really know exists, and expands outward from there in the past and future.
Tony Patti
In this case, there would be two distinct times, one in the past and one in the present. It could explain how things change when observed. I wish someone with actual skill in this field would consider this idea.
Instead of time being a simple line from past to present - raising the paradoxical questions as to what was before and what is after time - perhaps time is generated from the present moment, the only time we really know exists, and expands outward from there in the past and future.
Tony Patti
" If Bars is on the right track, some of the most basic processes in physics will need re-examination. Something as simple as how particles move, for example, could be viewed in a new way. In classical physics (before the days of quantum theory), a moving particle was completely described by its momentum (its mass times its velocity) and its position. But quantum physics says you can never know those two properties precisely at the same time.
Bars alters the laws describing motion even more, postulating that position and momentum are not distinguishable at a given instant of time. Technically, they can be related by a mathematical symmetry, meaning that swapping position for momentum leaves the underlying physics unchanged (just as a mirror switching left and right doesn’t change the appearance of a symmetrical face).
In ordinary physics, position and momentum differ because the equation for momentum involves velocity. Since velocity is distance divided by time, it requires the notion of a time dimension. If swapping the equations for position and momentum really doesn’t change anything, then position needs a time dimension too. "
I think it has to be something similar to his idea. A hidden balance that grows to our spacetime. Time is one of the strangest things i know of, well charge is there too :) as the photon and.. We have so many phenomena that creates out of 'nothing'. How can we even say that space is 'empty' any more? space used to be a synonym for emptiness but that doesn't seem to hold true anymore.
And my own idea of dimensions used to be something with its own 'property's', kind of like you could lift it out on its own to inspect. But i'm not sure about that any more. It's more like a sea where what we differ as being dimensions on their own in 'reality' goes into each other having time as one of the results of their constant interactions. And then i think of it in scales, as that seem to be what 'split' it (spacetime) into two 'reality's' (or more:). Maybe i should add that whatever time is i'm not sure it's a fourth dimension any more. It may give us this impression of being a force with a arrow but it's something else, at least as compared to what i used to think of as dimensions
Bars alters the laws describing motion even more, postulating that position and momentum are not distinguishable at a given instant of time. Technically, they can be related by a mathematical symmetry, meaning that swapping position for momentum leaves the underlying physics unchanged (just as a mirror switching left and right doesn’t change the appearance of a symmetrical face).
In ordinary physics, position and momentum differ because the equation for momentum involves velocity. Since velocity is distance divided by time, it requires the notion of a time dimension. If swapping the equations for position and momentum really doesn’t change anything, then position needs a time dimension too. "
I think it has to be something similar to his idea. A hidden balance that grows to our spacetime. Time is one of the strangest things i know of, well charge is there too :) as the photon and.. We have so many phenomena that creates out of 'nothing'. How can we even say that space is 'empty' any more? space used to be a synonym for emptiness but that doesn't seem to hold true anymore.
And my own idea of dimensions used to be something with its own 'property's', kind of like you could lift it out on its own to inspect. But i'm not sure about that any more. It's more like a sea where what we differ as being dimensions on their own in 'reality' goes into each other having time as one of the results of their constant interactions. And then i think of it in scales, as that seem to be what 'split' it (spacetime) into two 'reality's' (or more:). Maybe i should add that whatever time is i'm not sure it's a fourth dimension any more. It may give us this impression of being a force with a arrow but it's something else, at least as compared to what i used to think of as dimensions
one of times can be transformed into space-like,depending what the temporal direction,that is given by particles as axions,or still the transformed of spacelike of
spacetime continuos into of time-like,coupled with "particles" or axions that determine the time arrow,and calcule the breaks of symmetry of operator cpt,generating the curvatures of spacetime,with ausence of symmetries of charges,that is associated to the fifth-dimension of spacetime,as a second temporal
dimension.
spacetime continuos into of time-like,coupled with "particles" or axions that determine the time arrow,and calcule the breaks of symmetry of operator cpt,generating the curvatures of spacetime,with ausence of symmetries of charges,that is associated to the fifth-dimension of spacetime,as a second temporal
dimension.
TWO TIMES DIMENSIONS IN Q.BIO-PHYSICS
The two time arrows permits to accept the simultaneity of coexisting fundamental Energy fields . In fact coincidences in real time are possible into a stable Field of Information Energy (EI) (see: http://www.edscuola.it/archivio/lre/triadi...m%20_energy.pdf ). In fact the two parallel time's reverse vectors of the "EI" topology (X,,T1,T2) permits to understand the behaviour of contemporaneous exchange of information as it is necessary for interpret the interdependency of dynamical transformation in nature.
On the contrary the permanence of one dimensional time line based on the concept of a transient instant succession from the past to the future, do not allows a stable convergence of cooperation between multiple parallel contemporary activities as we experimentally know in various situations, as for instance the simultaneous functioning of different part of a living cell (krebs cycle, relationships between two DNA e.g. Nuclear and Mitocondrial DNA , to define the dynamic of the specific timing program of the apoptosis of each single cell.. etc.etc..
The key of Two Times Q.Bio-Physics is based om the Triadic fundamental forms of Quantum Energy e.g Energy Condensed like Matter (E) + Vibrational Energy (EV) + Information Energy (EI) .
This theory not only simply seeks on an ad hoc Biological interpretation in order to descover a more accurate model to understand the living system functioning.
In fact more in general Q.IBIO-PHYSICS is a general critique to the reductionistic limists of mechanicistic model of science understanding .based on the fixed domain of space-time firstly proposed by EUCLID's topology (X,Y,Z,T) , based on the idea of a obsterver that wach to the external environment.
Certainly in the case that the four vectors of Space-Time the measurement of momentum and position, cannot be made at the same transient instant. As a conseguance we are not more able to measure the majority of Energy and Matter in the Universe; therefore science accept that disappear Black Energy and Matter .
In spite of this the theory of a Triadic Quantum Energy , this problem is resolved into a multi Universe domain as coexisting realities that works in simultaneity through the change of the matrix of Space Time vectors.
In this innovative theory the changes of the topology of the Space-Time matrix are a consequence of the critic collapse of a form of Energy into another, that correspond to a chenge of the different topology of Space-Time.
Hence to describe the Totality of energy changes are sufficient the four vector dimensions so that any more dimension is considered in Q.BIO-PHYSICS as a redundant not useful complication.
Certainly the TRIADIC QUANTUM ENERGY is overcoming the classical splitting between Observer and Observation , and as a consequence TRiadic Quantum Energy follows the logic relationship with the triad of interpretation of C.S.Pierce, between : Object(EM) -Sign (EV) , and Interpretant (EI).
This logic correlation is fundamental in the transdisciplinary context of Q.BIO-PHYSICS .
We would debate about this problematics the NOV/14/2008 at the meeting ON-NS&A .(www.egocreanet.it ; www.wbabin.net )
My best regards and Cordiality's paolo manzelli may/21/2008
The two time arrows permits to accept the simultaneity of coexisting fundamental Energy fields . In fact coincidences in real time are possible into a stable Field of Information Energy (EI) (see: http://www.edscuola.it/archivio/lre/triadi...m%20_energy.pdf ). In fact the two parallel time's reverse vectors of the "EI" topology (X,,T1,T2) permits to understand the behaviour of contemporaneous exchange of information as it is necessary for interpret the interdependency of dynamical transformation in nature.
On the contrary the permanence of one dimensional time line based on the concept of a transient instant succession from the past to the future, do not allows a stable convergence of cooperation between multiple parallel contemporary activities as we experimentally know in various situations, as for instance the simultaneous functioning of different part of a living cell (krebs cycle, relationships between two DNA e.g. Nuclear and Mitocondrial DNA , to define the dynamic of the specific timing program of the apoptosis of each single cell.. etc.etc..
The key of Two Times Q.Bio-Physics is based om the Triadic fundamental forms of Quantum Energy e.g Energy Condensed like Matter (E) + Vibrational Energy (EV) + Information Energy (EI) .
This theory not only simply seeks on an ad hoc Biological interpretation in order to descover a more accurate model to understand the living system functioning.
In fact more in general Q.IBIO-PHYSICS is a general critique to the reductionistic limists of mechanicistic model of science understanding .based on the fixed domain of space-time firstly proposed by EUCLID's topology (X,Y,Z,T) , based on the idea of a obsterver that wach to the external environment.
Certainly in the case that the four vectors of Space-Time the measurement of momentum and position, cannot be made at the same transient instant. As a conseguance we are not more able to measure the majority of Energy and Matter in the Universe; therefore science accept that disappear Black Energy and Matter .
In spite of this the theory of a Triadic Quantum Energy , this problem is resolved into a multi Universe domain as coexisting realities that works in simultaneity through the change of the matrix of Space Time vectors.
In this innovative theory the changes of the topology of the Space-Time matrix are a consequence of the critic collapse of a form of Energy into another, that correspond to a chenge of the different topology of Space-Time.
Hence to describe the Totality of energy changes are sufficient the four vector dimensions so that any more dimension is considered in Q.BIO-PHYSICS as a redundant not useful complication.
Certainly the TRIADIC QUANTUM ENERGY is overcoming the classical splitting between Observer and Observation , and as a consequence TRiadic Quantum Energy follows the logic relationship with the triad of interpretation of C.S.Pierce, between : Object(EM) -Sign (EV) , and Interpretant (EI).
This logic correlation is fundamental in the transdisciplinary context of Q.BIO-PHYSICS .
We would debate about this problematics the NOV/14/2008 at the meeting ON-NS&A .(www.egocreanet.it ; www.wbabin.net )
My best regards and Cordiality's paolo manzelli may/21/2008
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