Some thirty five years ago I experienced a spontaneous transcendence triggered by a sexual climax that I am still trying to integrate. At the time I was in an utterly naive state of mind regarding anything mystical, transpersonal or paranormal so began my quest for understanding by reading metaphysical literature and in particular Vedanta concepts. Recently I've attempted to adopt a plausible synthesis from theoretical hypotheses in quantum physics, biophysics, consciousness studies and the concept that our human consciousness may entangle with proto conscious quanta or electromagnetic fields which may fill space to compose a cosmic consciousness.
In his book Physics of the Soul - Amit Gotswami interprets death, reincarnation and karma in terms of a quatum paradigm and in the chapter The Complete Story of the Tibetan Book of the Dead- presents a definition of an advanced state of samadhi which seems a close match to the episode which I experienced. On page 152 he writes:
NDErs have.."a genuine samadhi experience, an experience of a state of consciousness beyond ego, to be sure, but it is not a true experience of the bardo at the moment of death; it is not deep enough.
What happens if one goes deep enough? For example, deep enough to see the clear light. In progressive states of samahdi, arrived at in the waking state itself via meditation and some grace, one goes through the same kind of ascent and descent, as in the bardos. Samadhi, in which the subject-object split is maintained, and thus some residual identity with the physical body, savikalpa samadhi, is the more common samahdi experience. But there is also mention in the literature of the rare variety, nirvikalpa samadhi, in which there is no division of subject and object and one's identity completely merges with the bliss body, albeit temporarily.
An original account of my experience and a chronicle of my subsequent efforts at integration are online at>
http://geocities.com/maya-gaia
There are a number of other transpersonal episodes I experienced- not all related to my transcendence episode and naturally I would welcome feedback regarding how any of this may be interpreted by new physics theories.
Hi mayagaia,
I think the 'link' must be determined in a psychological way. 'Psychology' being used as a determining factor in finding truth, and uncovering our much feared 'unconscious' aspects.
Here is a link to another thread I just started on the subject of 'death'...
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...=0&#entry132979
It would seem our views are quite inter-related!
K.
I think the 'link' must be determined in a psychological way. 'Psychology' being used as a determining factor in finding truth, and uncovering our much feared 'unconscious' aspects.
Here is a link to another thread I just started on the subject of 'death'...
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...=0&#entry132979
It would seem our views are quite inter-related!
K.
QUOTE (Knot of this world+Oct 14 2006, 11:33 AM)
I think the 'link' must be determined in a psychological way. 'Psychology' being used as a determining factor in finding truth, and uncovering our much feared 'unconscious' aspects.
Hi Knot,
Of course the Vedanta says we discover through direct experience via meditation or grace. However science seems to be offering so much to suggest confirmation of the Vedic metaphysical model that I don't see the harm in trying to synthesize the two disciplines from an intellectual perspective.
Maybe I need a distinction of which "psychology" you refer to as to it being helpful in finding "truth" especially in regards to the "death" topic in your other thread. Some psychiatrists like Dr Karl L.R. Jansen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
debunk the spiritual nature of NDEs- and attribute all the typical factors to the effect of ketamine-like chemical changes in brain neororeceptors. Others like Stanislov Grof, Karl Jung and Ken Wilber grant that they may be authentic expressions of a transpersonal conscious reality.
The fact is that all the science disciplines are minefields of controversy and contradictory in so far as consciousness is concerned. Seems all we spectators can do is extrapolate from the latest consensus to evolve a belief that seems most plausible based on the evidence and our skeptical proclivities.
Personally, I'd attribute the field of cognitive science more credibility than psychology in exploring consciousness and in particular the various analyses by David Chalmers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chalmers.
Regards MG
Hi Knot,
Of course the Vedanta says we discover through direct experience via meditation or grace. However science seems to be offering so much to suggest confirmation of the Vedic metaphysical model that I don't see the harm in trying to synthesize the two disciplines from an intellectual perspective.
Maybe I need a distinction of which "psychology" you refer to as to it being helpful in finding "truth" especially in regards to the "death" topic in your other thread. Some psychiatrists like Dr Karl L.R. Jansen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
debunk the spiritual nature of NDEs- and attribute all the typical factors to the effect of ketamine-like chemical changes in brain neororeceptors. Others like Stanislov Grof, Karl Jung and Ken Wilber grant that they may be authentic expressions of a transpersonal conscious reality.
The fact is that all the science disciplines are minefields of controversy and contradictory in so far as consciousness is concerned. Seems all we spectators can do is extrapolate from the latest consensus to evolve a belief that seems most plausible based on the evidence and our skeptical proclivities.
Personally, I'd attribute the field of cognitive science more credibility than psychology in exploring consciousness and in particular the various analyses by David Chalmers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chalmers.
Regards MG
Hi mayagaia,
I use the term 'psychology' in its broadest sense (Collective ideas of us ALL) - The 'Human condition'. All this 'critical thinking', 'cognitive science', etc. is a performed task by the (Human) brain, and as such, a need to understand how and why we do the things we do, I feel, is needed before we turn each little nuance into its own 'science'.
This is why the Jungian postulate of the 'collective unconscious' interests me. It may be just me (and of course, I need to KNOW, one way or the other!), but I perceive many connections between previous Human collective thought, and that of today, such as your mention of the 'vedanta' and 'modern science'.
For me, 'paths' most definitely collide between the 'Tao' and 'WSM theory'...
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosophy-Taoism-Tao.htm
- Yeah! Exactly why I find 'psychology' a necessary 'evil', as it opens the doors to my own illusions, first. - Only then, can I make a better judgement!
I've been reading some of the David Chalmers papers here...
http://consc.net/online.html
...also very interesting!
cheers,
k.
I use the term 'psychology' in its broadest sense (Collective ideas of us ALL) - The 'Human condition'. All this 'critical thinking', 'cognitive science', etc. is a performed task by the (Human) brain, and as such, a need to understand how and why we do the things we do, I feel, is needed before we turn each little nuance into its own 'science'.
This is why the Jungian postulate of the 'collective unconscious' interests me. It may be just me (and of course, I need to KNOW, one way or the other!), but I perceive many connections between previous Human collective thought, and that of today, such as your mention of the 'vedanta' and 'modern science'.
For me, 'paths' most definitely collide between the 'Tao' and 'WSM theory'...
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosophy-Taoism-Tao.htm
QUOTE
The fact is that all the science disciplines are minefields of controversy and contradictory in so far as consciousness is concerned.
- Yeah! Exactly why I find 'psychology' a necessary 'evil', as it opens the doors to my own illusions, first. - Only then, can I make a better judgement!
I've been reading some of the David Chalmers papers here...
http://consc.net/online.html
...also very interesting!
cheers,
k.
Hello, Scientists, Philosophers, Everybody, Mind, and Spirit! 
Specifically, Mayagaia: I took the liberty of running through your nice websites. As expected, I thought you might have had been misdirected, and thus misinterpreted the experience of “transcendence” as you described below:
Specifically, Mayagaia: I took the liberty of running through your nice websites. As expected, I thought you might have had been misdirected, and thus misinterpreted the experience of “transcendence” as you described below:
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Recently I've attempted to adopt a plausible synthesis from theoretical hypotheses in quantum physics, biophysics, consciousness studies and the concept that our human consciousness may entangle with proto conscious quanta or electromagnetic fields which may fill space to compose a cosmic consciousness.
There are a number of other transpersonal episodes I experienced—not all related to my transcendence episode and naturally I would welcome feedback regarding how any of this may be interpreted by new physics theories.
From the philosophical and theoretical inclinations of your research—albeit more metaphysical than scientific—I presumed you might be a physicist by training and/or practice; and therefore easily fallen for a misunderstanding of Life and Mind issues like this one below:There are a number of other transpersonal episodes I experienced—not all related to my transcendence episode and naturally I would welcome feedback regarding how any of this may be interpreted by new physics theories.
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| Recently I've attempted to adopt a plausible synthesis from theoretical hypotheses in quantum physics, biophysics, consciousness studies and the concept that our human consciousness may entangle with proto conscious quanta or electromagnetic fields which may fill space to compose a cosmic consciousness. There are a number of other transpersonal episodes I experienced—not all related to my transcendence episode and naturally I would welcome feedback regarding how any of this may be interpreted by new physics theories. |
From the philosophical and theoretical inclinations of your research—albeit more metaphysical than scientific—I presumed you might be a physicist by training and/or practice; and therefore easily fallen for a misunderstanding of Life and Mind issues like this one below:
NDErs have "a genuine Samadhi experience, an experience of a state of consciousness beyond ego, to be sure, but it is not a true experience of the bardo at the moment of death; it is not deep enough.”
NDErs have "a genuine Samadhi experience, an experience of a state of consciousness beyond ego, to be sure, but it is not a true experience of the bardo at the moment of death; it is not deep enough.”
As I commented before elsewhere, The Physics of near death experience (PhysOrgEU; October 6); and quoted as follows:
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I think [Ferryman] your work was metaphysically novel; but it fell into the field of Parapsychology or Paranormalism, that most empiricist-trained psychologists like Susan Blackmore have had now abandoned.
The NDE is a real clinical phenomenon, that comprises only a part of the entire electrochemical dynamics of our brain within, during an extraordinary physiological assault or trauma—please see my book Gods, Genes, Conscience; Chapter 4.9 Acute Biostasis, Near-Death Experience, Coma, and Death; Chapter 6 The Meaning of Life; and Chapter 15 The Universal Theory of Mind. At your convenience, perhaps you would like to review my book listed below, so as to extend your interests into the field of our human Consciousness, Life and Death issues at any level, quantum or spatial; neurological or metaphysical!
Furthermore, recently I encountered a neural biologist here, Evo-devo is not the whole of Biology (ScienceBlogsUSA; October 16); and quoted my dialogue below, for your consideration and discussion herein:The NDE is a real clinical phenomenon, that comprises only a part of the entire electrochemical dynamics of our brain within, during an extraordinary physiological assault or trauma—please see my book Gods, Genes, Conscience; Chapter 4.9 Acute Biostasis, Near-Death Experience, Coma, and Death; Chapter 6 The Meaning of Life; and Chapter 15 The Universal Theory of Mind. At your convenience, perhaps you would like to review my book listed below, so as to extend your interests into the field of our human Consciousness, Life and Death issues at any level, quantum or spatial; neurological or metaphysical!
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| I think [Ferryman] your work was metaphysically novel; but it fell into the field of Parapsychology or Paranormalism, that most empiricist-trained psychologists like Susan Blackmore have had now abandoned. The NDE is a real clinical phenomenon, that comprises only a part of the entire electrochemical dynamics of our brain within, during an extraordinary physiological assault or trauma—please see my book Gods, Genes, Conscience; Chapter 4.9 Acute Biostasis, Near-Death Experience, Coma, and Death; Chapter 6 The Meaning of Life; and Chapter 15 The Universal Theory of Mind. At your convenience, perhaps you would like to review my book listed below, so as to extend your interests into the field of our human Consciousness, Life and Death issues at any level, quantum or spatial; neurological or metaphysical! |
Furthermore, recently I encountered a neural biologist here, Evo-devo is not the whole of Biology (ScienceBlogsUSA; October 16); and quoted my dialogue below, for your consideration and discussion herein:
M.C.Arunan: “Masters students of mine assume that the E. coli has a 'mind' to 'know' when lactose is present in the medium! They are perturbed beyond words, when shown the elegant mechanistic explanation of Jacob & Monod for this 'consciousness' of E. coli! With the dominant Hindu theology of ‘all pervading consciousness’ in which they and their elders are soaked with no easy escape, it is no surprise at all. The western creationist lobby did not make science teachers' life in third world countries any better.”
This is very interesting, since you’re getting into a whole new field of the Evolution and Consciousness issues, that my own research (since 1990) has had guided me to the cortical neuronal membrane, as a magical place of Consciousness as directed by the particle-wave functions of membrane “memophors,” the imagery membrane components that may be likened to the particle-wave functions of phosphors being coated on a TV tube—a new theory that I’ve had presented in my 2006 book Gods, Genes, Conscience (please see Chapter 15 The Universal Theory of Mind); and also discussed briefly elsewhere, Macro Wave-particle (PhysOrgEU; October 2).
For your convenience, and neuro-electrochemically—if you would make a quick review of the Frontispiece of Gods, Genes, Conscience listed below—the main medium that projects imageries in and of our Mind, as a reflection of Consciousness into our brain, is Light (the optical quanta of photons, as shown in the Square inset) through and by our visual circuitry, as follows:
Perceptivity (through the retina) —> imagery-memory modulation —> particle-wave functions of imagery-memory (on the cortical neuronal membrane; please see the Circular inset) —> “memophorescence” (like phosphorescence of TV phosphors) —> “memophorescenicity” —> infinite intuitivity, creativity; or fluidity of imagery-memory, etc,
thereby making us, the scientist-Observer-philosopher as well as the “memory manipulator” or “thinker” in this stream of visual Consciousness, being modulated on the cortical membrane, as exemplified by a projection or imagination of the Creation of Adam, in a modern wannabe Michelangelo’s spherical mind!
Likewise unique, at the single-cell, organismal level, such as E. coli, its “consciousness” is also conducted by the “sensing” of the electrochemical gradients by and across its vital cellular membrane. As such, by sheer coincidence, the Metaphysics of Consciousness in all living things as pervaded in Hinduism and/or others, was not that far off after all, from our modern empirical Science of Consciousness, as Jacob & Monod attempted to explain above, albeit molecularly!
M.C.Arunan: “Masters students of mine assume that the E. coli has a 'mind' to 'know' when lactose is present in the medium! They are perturbed beyond words, when shown the elegant mechanistic explanation of Jacob & Monod for this 'consciousness' of E. coli! With the dominant Hindu theology of ‘all pervading consciousness’ in which they and their elders are soaked with no easy escape, it is no surprise at all. The western creationist lobby did not make science teachers' life in third world countries any better.”
This is very interesting, since you’re getting into a whole new field of the Evolution and Consciousness issues, that my own research (since 1990) has had guided me to the cortical neuronal membrane, as a magical place of Consciousness as directed by the particle-wave functions of membrane “memophors,” the imagery membrane components that may be likened to the particle-wave functions of phosphors being coated on a TV tube—a new theory that I’ve had presented in my 2006 book Gods, Genes, Conscience (please see Chapter 15 The Universal Theory of Mind); and also discussed briefly elsewhere, Macro Wave-particle (PhysOrgEU; October 2).
For your convenience, and neuro-electrochemically—if you would make a quick review of the Frontispiece of Gods, Genes, Conscience listed below—the main medium that projects imageries in and of our Mind, as a reflection of Consciousness into our brain, is Light (the optical quanta of photons, as shown in the Square inset) through and by our visual circuitry, as follows:
Perceptivity (through the retina) —> imagery-memory modulation —> particle-wave functions of imagery-memory (on the cortical neuronal membrane; please see the Circular inset) —> “memophorescence” (like phosphorescence of TV phosphors) —> “memophorescenicity” —> infinite intuitivity, creativity; or fluidity of imagery-memory, etc,
thereby making us, the scientist-Observer-philosopher as well as the “memory manipulator” or “thinker” in this stream of visual Consciousness, being modulated on the cortical membrane, as exemplified by a projection or imagination of the Creation of Adam, in a modern wannabe Michelangelo’s spherical mind!
Likewise unique, at the single-cell, organismal level, such as E. coli, its “consciousness” is also conducted by the “sensing” of the electrochemical gradients by and across its vital cellular membrane. As such, by sheer coincidence, the Metaphysics of Consciousness in all living things as pervaded in Hinduism and/or others, was not that far off after all, from our modern empirical Science of Consciousness, as Jacob & Monod attempted to explain above, albeit molecularly!
Thank you all for your kind attention and cooperation in this matter—just a food for thought, from a self-introspective Darwinist evolutionist perspective. Happy reading, thinking, scrutinizing, and enlightening!
Best wishes, Mong 10/17/6usct2:20p; author Gods, Genes, Conscience and Gods, Genes, Conscience: Global Dialogues Now; a cyberspace hermit-philosopher of Modern Mind, whose works are based on the current advances in interdisciplinary science and integrative psychology of Science and Religion worldwide; ethically, morally; metacognitively, and objectively.
Best wishes, Mong 10/17/6usct2:20p; author Gods, Genes, Conscience and Gods, Genes, Conscience: Global Dialogues Now; a cyberspace hermit-philosopher of Modern Mind, whose works are based on the current advances in interdisciplinary science and integrative psychology of Science and Religion worldwide; ethically, morally; metacognitively, and objectively.
It should come as no surprise that I was hoping for some comments that directly refer to the core event that is the foundation of my entire Maya-Gaia webblog- that is the transcendent episode (Samadhi) which I experienced and is introduced
in my site-map page at>
http://geocities.com/maya-gaia/mayagaia_sitemap.html
The infinite body of issues in New Science and Metaphysics that this episode raises is challenging beyond ordinary rationalism. We simply don't have the evidence or knowledge to claim even a start at understanding what consciousness is- much less its interface with both the material and numinous universes and in particular the Samadhi experience.
No question that the internet is creating an accessible memory of every shred of knowledge, speculation and fantasy our collective consciousness can imagine- and all we can do as individuals is to patch together bits of wisdom to create a reality model we feel comfortable with according to our intellectual and/or spiritual proclivities. The problem is finding the time to surf through the zillions of resources so its no wonder that comments posted in these forums often suggest that the citation the thread-starter referenced was never actually cognately read.
Hi Mong- Am in the process of looking for concepts in your blogsite that pertain specifically to the Simadhi experience.
Hi Knot- Those links and many more on consciousness are in my website's three resource pages .
http://www.geocities.com/maya-gaia/emcu_appendix.html
in my site-map page at>
http://geocities.com/maya-gaia/mayagaia_sitemap.html
The infinite body of issues in New Science and Metaphysics that this episode raises is challenging beyond ordinary rationalism. We simply don't have the evidence or knowledge to claim even a start at understanding what consciousness is- much less its interface with both the material and numinous universes and in particular the Samadhi experience.
No question that the internet is creating an accessible memory of every shred of knowledge, speculation and fantasy our collective consciousness can imagine- and all we can do as individuals is to patch together bits of wisdom to create a reality model we feel comfortable with according to our intellectual and/or spiritual proclivities. The problem is finding the time to surf through the zillions of resources so its no wonder that comments posted in these forums often suggest that the citation the thread-starter referenced was never actually cognately read.
Hi Mong- Am in the process of looking for concepts in your blogsite that pertain specifically to the Simadhi experience.
Hi Knot- Those links and many more on consciousness are in my website's three resource pages .
http://www.geocities.com/maya-gaia/emcu_appendix.html
Hi mayagaia,
You are quite correct about the amount of time we can devote to our personal searches. It's all out there somewhere, and I guess the best we can do as individuals is walk when our legs feel able!
I think, collectively, we are in the stage of gathering still, at this point, but due to the increased speed of the transfer of knowledge, this is becoming an easier task. Let's hope it remains a free enough medium for us to be able to trust, and that we can trust ourselves to know the truth when we see it!
I also think that the 'collective' is what truely represents us, as a species, and thus also our consciousness (which is the sum of what we know, and what we think we might know!) - I believe we all have our own unique perspective on 'life', and that all perspectives can be seen as metaphors for One physical reality that we all share, and that is infinite in origin, but 'finite' within the confines of 'life'. For no other reason than 'it makes sense to me'!
Great list of links and information, by the way! Thank you.
You are quite correct about the amount of time we can devote to our personal searches. It's all out there somewhere, and I guess the best we can do as individuals is walk when our legs feel able!
I think, collectively, we are in the stage of gathering still, at this point, but due to the increased speed of the transfer of knowledge, this is becoming an easier task. Let's hope it remains a free enough medium for us to be able to trust, and that we can trust ourselves to know the truth when we see it!
I also think that the 'collective' is what truely represents us, as a species, and thus also our consciousness (which is the sum of what we know, and what we think we might know!) - I believe we all have our own unique perspective on 'life', and that all perspectives can be seen as metaphors for One physical reality that we all share, and that is infinite in origin, but 'finite' within the confines of 'life'. For no other reason than 'it makes sense to me'!
Great list of links and information, by the way! Thank you.
For anyone accessing this thread after June 13, 2009 Yahoo is closing down the geocities.com/maya-gaia URL.
the new URL for those pages is http://maya-gaia.angelfire.com
the new URL for those pages is http://maya-gaia.angelfire.com
I took a look at your site. You would probably like this:
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html
and this book:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Prodigal-...85093083/?itm=5
Tesla had a really strange personal experience just before he had the answer to how to make an alternating current generator.
...and I think string theory is something you would like too:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html
and this book:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Prodigal-...85093083/?itm=5
Tesla had a really strange personal experience just before he had the answer to how to make an alternating current generator.
...and I think string theory is something you would like too:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
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