Toshiba's Home Nuclear plant
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I can just see the county permit office issuing me a permit for one of these.
QUOTE (paul h+Dec 22 2007, 01:40 PM)
I can just see the county permit office issuing me a permit for one of these.
It's not the permit I'd worry about. It's the NSA agent they'd rectally install just before the nuclear fuel arrived.
They just about killed a poor bugger in Nevada for buying various isotopes. Of course, he ran a business supplying universities and labs with radioactive isotopes...including government labs. (Yeah, the feds busted their own dealer)
It's not the permit I'd worry about. It's the NSA agent they'd rectally install just before the nuclear fuel arrived.
They just about killed a poor bugger in Nevada for buying various isotopes. Of course, he ran a business supplying universities and labs with radioactive isotopes...including government labs. (Yeah, the feds busted their own dealer)
QUOTE (Corvidae+Dec 26 2007, 09:55 AM)
They just about killed a poor bugger in Nevada for buying various isotopes.
I'd like to read the story, can you provide a link?
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+Dec 27 2007, 01:50 PM)
I'd like to read the story, can you provide a link?
Arthur
Maybe, it'll take me a while to find though. I only chanced on it because the guy was also a supplier for someone else that was trying to build a table of the elements. As in actual samples of every element in little boxes built into a table. The initial guy had pretty much decided not to do any of the radio active elements when he was sent a small sample of plutonium as a donation. (Classroom micro sized sample of the raw ore) I'll have to work some google kung-fu to dig up the news article about the bust.
Arthur
Maybe, it'll take me a while to find though. I only chanced on it because the guy was also a supplier for someone else that was trying to build a table of the elements. As in actual samples of every element in little boxes built into a table. The initial guy had pretty much decided not to do any of the radio active elements when he was sent a small sample of plutonium as a donation. (Classroom micro sized sample of the raw ore) I'll have to work some google kung-fu to dig up the news article about the bust.
QUOTE (Corvidae+Dec 27 2007, 01:58 PM)
Maybe, it'll take me a while to find though. I only chanced on it because the guy was also a supplier for someone else that was trying to build a table of the elements. As in actual samples of every element in little boxes built into a table. The initial guy had pretty much decided not to do any of the radio active elements when he was sent a small sample of plutonium as a donation. (Classroom micro sized sample of the raw ore) I'll have to work some google kung-fu to dig up the news article about the bust.
Well I'm pretty good at searching the internet myself and I must admit, while it was easy to find a story about the "wooden periodic table" http://theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/ even after a decent amount of time searching, I can find nothing on the other story.
I'm a tad surprised at that since one would think that if the Police, FBI or NSA just about killed an innocent businessman who was performing an important service supplying isotopes to universities that the story would get wide enough attention that it wouldn't be that hard to find.
Thus I await your kung fu google results.
Arthur
Well I'm pretty good at searching the internet myself and I must admit, while it was easy to find a story about the "wooden periodic table" http://theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/ even after a decent amount of time searching, I can find nothing on the other story.
I'm a tad surprised at that since one would think that if the Police, FBI or NSA just about killed an innocent businessman who was performing an important service supplying isotopes to universities that the story would get wide enough attention that it wouldn't be that hard to find.
Thus I await your kung fu google results.
Arthur
Que Pasa?
All Fu and No Kung???
Arthur
All Fu and No Kung???
Arthur
I'm still trying to dig this thing up. It's a few years old now and the only places I saw it was a local news site and I think a mention of it on cnn or msnbc's site. If I remember right it was the DEA busting the guy for selling lab equipment to meth labs and not knowing or looking up who he was.
It'd help if I had more than a vague recollection of it being in the south west Arizona/Nevada/New Mexico area, or had some clue what that news station was. Doing a search for DEA raid stories is like trying to find a particular time Guilliani said 9/11. Sadly enough narrowing it down to retired teachers doesn't shorten the list much.
It'd help if I had more than a vague recollection of it being in the south west Arizona/Nevada/New Mexico area, or had some clue what that news station was. Doing a search for DEA raid stories is like trying to find a particular time Guilliani said 9/11. Sadly enough narrowing it down to retired teachers doesn't shorten the list much.
Sounds like it's more in the Urban Myth category 
QUOTE
ATLANTA — Two police officers pleaded guilty Thursday to manslaughter in the shooting death of a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid last fall. A third officer still faces charges.
The charges followed a Nov. 21 “no-knock” drug raid on the home of Kathryn Johnston, 92. An informant had described buying drugs from a dealer there, police said. When the officers burst in without warning, Johnston fired at them, and they fired back, killing her.
The charges followed a Nov. 21 “no-knock” drug raid on the home of Kathryn Johnston, 92. An informant had described buying drugs from a dealer there, police said. When the officers burst in without warning, Johnston fired at them, and they fired back, killing her.
The DEA screwing up raids is far from new or a myth. I'm just having trouble finding information on this particular screw up.
How could that be manslaughter?
She was shooting at them. OK, they shouldn't have been there. But if I was a cop and someone even farted in my general direction, I'd be shooting back.
92 year olds with guns? Fun country you live in.
She was shooting at them. OK, they shouldn't have been there. But if I was a cop and someone even farted in my general direction, I'd be shooting back.
92 year olds with guns? Fun country you live in.
QUOTE (N O M+Jan 3 2008, 08:09 PM)
How could that be manslaughter?
She was shooting at them. OK, they shouldn't have been there. But if I was a cop and someone even farted in my general direction, I'd be shooting back.
92 year olds with guns? Fun country you live in.
Because they ALSO pleaded guilty to "violation of oath, criminal solicitation, making false statements and perjury, which was based on untrue claims in a warrant."
There was no informant, it was a no-knock raid in the middle of the night and they didn't properly identify themselves, there were no drugs, she fired 1 shot thru the door (and hit nobody), the police fired 39 times hitting her 6 times (and IIRC themselves a few times).
But this was a number of Atlanta Police officers (nearly as bad as the LAPD back in the choke hold & Rod King days) who were clearly off the reservation.
They were not DEA agents.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-0...-shooting_N.htm
Arthur
She was shooting at them. OK, they shouldn't have been there. But if I was a cop and someone even farted in my general direction, I'd be shooting back.
92 year olds with guns? Fun country you live in.
Because they ALSO pleaded guilty to "violation of oath, criminal solicitation, making false statements and perjury, which was based on untrue claims in a warrant."
There was no informant, it was a no-knock raid in the middle of the night and they didn't properly identify themselves, there were no drugs, she fired 1 shot thru the door (and hit nobody), the police fired 39 times hitting her 6 times (and IIRC themselves a few times).
But this was a number of Atlanta Police officers (nearly as bad as the LAPD back in the choke hold & Rod King days) who were clearly off the reservation.
They were not DEA agents.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-0...-shooting_N.htm
Arthur
OK. If someone hadn't been killed, it would have been funny.
Wrong place, no warrant, didn't identify, overkill response and followed by trying to cover it up.
I take it, an IQ test isn't part of Atlanta Police recruiting procedure
Wrong place, no warrant, didn't identify, overkill response and followed by trying to cover it up.
I take it, an IQ test isn't part of Atlanta Police recruiting procedure
QUOTE (N O M+Jan 3 2008, 09:25 PM)
I take it, an IQ test isn't part of Atlanta Police recruiting procedure
If it is it would appear that high scores disqualify you.
Actually the fundamental problem (I used to live in Atlanta) is the very low pay requires low entry standards.
Arthur
If it is it would appear that high scores disqualify you.
Actually the fundamental problem (I used to live in Atlanta) is the very low pay requires low entry standards.
Arthur
QUOTE
Actually the fundamental problem (I used to live in Atlanta) is the very low pay requires low entry standards.
Yup. You get what you pay for.
QUOTE (N O M+Jan 4 2008, 01:09 AM)
How could that be manslaughter?
Several states in the US have 'Make my day' laws. Basically if someone knocks down your door, you're free to put a bullet in them. It's an extension of the self defense laws. Being a cop doesn't give them any more right to blast into someones house than a neighborhood gang. If they bust in without identifying themselves, they're expected to be treated the same as any heavily armed lunatic would be.
On the other hand, if they do actually identify themselves, shooting at a cop will get you some serious hard time in just about any state. Most DA's will automatically press attempted murder charges. Also regardless of the cops following procedure or law, if you shoot at one of their own, they WILL shoot back. Since 99% of the time they have you out numbered and out gunned, it usually doesn't turn out well for the shooter.
Several states in the US have 'Make my day' laws. Basically if someone knocks down your door, you're free to put a bullet in them. It's an extension of the self defense laws. Being a cop doesn't give them any more right to blast into someones house than a neighborhood gang. If they bust in without identifying themselves, they're expected to be treated the same as any heavily armed lunatic would be.
On the other hand, if they do actually identify themselves, shooting at a cop will get you some serious hard time in just about any state. Most DA's will automatically press attempted murder charges. Also regardless of the cops following procedure or law, if you shoot at one of their own, they WILL shoot back. Since 99% of the time they have you out numbered and out gunned, it usually doesn't turn out well for the shooter.
To be CLEAR, the policemen were convicted of Manslaughter because they LIED to get the Warrant.
What this case touches on is the issue of Right to Self Defense vs the police use of "No Knock" Warrants.
Georgia law (as in many states) allows that: 'a person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if ... he or she reasonably believes that the entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein "
Which means you can't shoot someone in the back as they are leaving.
You can't chase them down the street and shoot them etc,
But, if you believe someone is breaking in to harm you, you have the right to defend yourself, even to the extent of using deadly force.
You still may have to establish that there was a reasonable reason to believe you were in danger, but the burden of proof that this is not the case falls on the state, not the person protecting themselves.
Now comes the case of the police executing a "no knock warrant".
If you are NOT a criminal (police make a mistake) then if you shoot at the police breaking down your door you will most likely not be convicted at a trial (and they will most likely charge you), however the main reason you won't get convicted is you will most likely be dead.
If you are a criminal and shoot back (and also survive) you will most likely be convicted at a trial.
The THEORY is: If you are a criminal then you should EXPECT the police to show up and execute a warrant.
Several cases are heading to State level Supreme courts that will hopefully decide this.
With any luck (and common sense) MUCH greater restrictions will be placed on the use of 'No Knock" warrants.
In the mean time the CONVICTION of the police officers in Georgia and the LONG prison sentence imposed will likely cut down on the use of No Knock warrants without adequate basis.
Arthur
What this case touches on is the issue of Right to Self Defense vs the police use of "No Knock" Warrants.
Georgia law (as in many states) allows that: 'a person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if ... he or she reasonably believes that the entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein "
Which means you can't shoot someone in the back as they are leaving.
You can't chase them down the street and shoot them etc,
But, if you believe someone is breaking in to harm you, you have the right to defend yourself, even to the extent of using deadly force.
You still may have to establish that there was a reasonable reason to believe you were in danger, but the burden of proof that this is not the case falls on the state, not the person protecting themselves.
Now comes the case of the police executing a "no knock warrant".
If you are NOT a criminal (police make a mistake) then if you shoot at the police breaking down your door you will most likely not be convicted at a trial (and they will most likely charge you), however the main reason you won't get convicted is you will most likely be dead.
If you are a criminal and shoot back (and also survive) you will most likely be convicted at a trial.
The THEORY is: If you are a criminal then you should EXPECT the police to show up and execute a warrant.
Several cases are heading to State level Supreme courts that will hopefully decide this.
With any luck (and common sense) MUCH greater restrictions will be placed on the use of 'No Knock" warrants.
In the mean time the CONVICTION of the police officers in Georgia and the LONG prison sentence imposed will likely cut down on the use of No Knock warrants without adequate basis.
Arthur
QUOTE (Corvidae+Dec 19 2007, 07:51 PM)
Toshiba's Home Nuclear plant
That's right, you too can be watched over by the nuclear regulatory committee.
It's an insane Idea! Dont let Toshiba manufacture them! They will enable terrorists everywhere to breed weapons grade uranium and plutonium and to make dirty bombs.
That's right, you too can be watched over by the nuclear regulatory committee.
It's an insane Idea! Dont let Toshiba manufacture them! They will enable terrorists everywhere to breed weapons grade uranium and plutonium and to make dirty bombs.
QUOTE (Neil Farbstein+Feb 4 2008, 12:18 AM)
It's an insane Idea! Dont let Toshiba manufacture them! They will enable terrorists everywhere to breed weapons grade uranium and plutonium and to make dirty bombs.
Meh, everyone thinks the nukes are the scary stuff. There's some far scarier bio agents out there. Really only a few steps short of resident evil type stuff.
Depends on the state. Colorado had 3 officers get killed while arresting an escaped convict. They failed to identify themselves so the murder charges were dropped as self defense. Also factored in was that the convict dropped the gun when the someone finally yelled 'police'.
It wasn't too much of a victory for the con. He still got plenty of time tacked on for escaping in the first place, but that was mandatory by state law. His biggest victory was walking out of that house alive after shooting 3 cops.
Meh, everyone thinks the nukes are the scary stuff. There's some far scarier bio agents out there. Really only a few steps short of resident evil type stuff.
QUOTE
If you are a criminal and shoot back (and also survive) you will most likely be convicted at a trial.
Depends on the state. Colorado had 3 officers get killed while arresting an escaped convict. They failed to identify themselves so the murder charges were dropped as self defense. Also factored in was that the convict dropped the gun when the someone finally yelled 'police'.
It wasn't too much of a victory for the con. He still got plenty of time tacked on for escaping in the first place, but that was mandatory by state law. His biggest victory was walking out of that house alive after shooting 3 cops.
QUOTE
Colorado had 3 officers get killed while arresting an escaped convict. They failed to identify themselves so the murder charges were dropped as self defense. Also factored in was that the convict dropped the gun when the someone finally yelled 'police'.
Source?
Hi everybody!
Many small reactors: Of course it's crazy as it allows anyone to build bombs.
"Weapons grade" is an outdated notion. One can perfectly built an efficient plutonium bomb with Pu-240-rich material, look at "boosted" on the web. North Korean apparently didn't boost and got only 0.5kt, but any reasonable Dr. Strangelove would boost.
By the way, this speaks strongly against most of "new generation" reactors that work with plutonium, or natural uranium, or highly-enriched uranium. None of them can be exported, as the exporting country has no control over the fuel cycle. And without exporting the reactors, they make economical sense for few countries.
Anyway, I shall remind that proven uranium deposits are much smaller that oil (comparing the energy contents) and speculative deposits aren't that bright at all.
Bye!
Many small reactors: Of course it's crazy as it allows anyone to build bombs.
"Weapons grade" is an outdated notion. One can perfectly built an efficient plutonium bomb with Pu-240-rich material, look at "boosted" on the web. North Korean apparently didn't boost and got only 0.5kt, but any reasonable Dr. Strangelove would boost.
By the way, this speaks strongly against most of "new generation" reactors that work with plutonium, or natural uranium, or highly-enriched uranium. None of them can be exported, as the exporting country has no control over the fuel cycle. And without exporting the reactors, they make economical sense for few countries.
Anyway, I shall remind that proven uranium deposits are much smaller that oil (comparing the energy contents) and speculative deposits aren't that bright at all.
Bye!
QUOTE (Enthalpy+Feb 5 2008, 08:29 PM)
I shall remind that proven uranium deposits are much smaller that oil (comparing the energy contents) and speculative deposits aren't that bright at all.
And I shall remind everybody that Electrical Power from NPPs aren't very sensitive to the cost of Uranium.
It really doesn't matter that much how much the fuel for an NPP costs, its KwH cost is basically a function of the cost to build and maintain the plant, not fuel it.
Arthur
And I shall remind everybody that Electrical Power from NPPs aren't very sensitive to the cost of Uranium.
It really doesn't matter that much how much the fuel for an NPP costs, its KwH cost is basically a function of the cost to build and maintain the plant, not fuel it.
Arthur
Hi Arthur and the others! It's been such a long time I didn't disagree with you!
Uranium cost recently 130$/lb = 260$/kg, from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uran
I understand it as a price per metal weight of natural U.
Now, from 1kg U with 0,72% U235, we obtain 1.8e22 atoms of U235.
We use half of these atoms to obtain 200MeV from each, or 290GJ heat from 1kg.
Converting 30% heat to electricity, we obtain 24200 kWh.
The uranium cost is then 0.01$/kWh, which is still low.
BUT this means we could barely afford it to be 10 times more expensive.
Wiki's article tells that known+supposed reserves at 130$/lb would last for only 70 years at today's consumption rate. This means nuclear energy can't replace other sources for every country - only France can produce all its electricity from uranium.
Allowing only a factor of 10 in the ore price, you won't get much more deposits than now.
And I don't want to have breeders. Less passive stability than other reactors. Worse, they would increase the amount of plutonium available everywhere to build bombs. Don't tell me about weapon-grade, it's been a nonsense for decades.
Uranium cost recently 130$/lb = 260$/kg, from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uran
I understand it as a price per metal weight of natural U.
Now, from 1kg U with 0,72% U235, we obtain 1.8e22 atoms of U235.
We use half of these atoms to obtain 200MeV from each, or 290GJ heat from 1kg.
Converting 30% heat to electricity, we obtain 24200 kWh.
The uranium cost is then 0.01$/kWh, which is still low.
BUT this means we could barely afford it to be 10 times more expensive.
Wiki's article tells that known+supposed reserves at 130$/lb would last for only 70 years at today's consumption rate. This means nuclear energy can't replace other sources for every country - only France can produce all its electricity from uranium.
Allowing only a factor of 10 in the ore price, you won't get much more deposits than now.
And I don't want to have breeders. Less passive stability than other reactors. Worse, they would increase the amount of plutonium available everywhere to build bombs. Don't tell me about weapon-grade, it's been a nonsense for decades.
You are confusing the cost of Uranium Ore with the cost of Uranium metal.
The cost of ORE is only a fraction of the cost of Uranium Metal since the post processing costs of the ore to get to the usable metal is where the real costs are.
At today's prices the cost of Uranium Ore represents but ~4% of the cost of electricity.
So if you double the cost of the ore, the cost of the electicity only goes up 4%, but the amount of reseves will also go up, substantially.
http://www.nei.org/filefolder/uranium_fuel...equate_0107.pdf
Arthur
The cost of ORE is only a fraction of the cost of Uranium Metal since the post processing costs of the ore to get to the usable metal is where the real costs are.
At today's prices the cost of Uranium Ore represents but ~4% of the cost of electricity.
So if you double the cost of the ore, the cost of the electicity only goes up 4%, but the amount of reseves will also go up, substantially.
http://www.nei.org/filefolder/uranium_fuel...equate_0107.pdf
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+Feb 5 2008, 05:51 PM)
Source?
Denver Post
QUOTE (Corvidae+Feb 7 2008, 11:08 AM)
Denver Post
A LINK would help.
I can't find anything that remotely resembles the story you wrote about.
I've gone back to the 80s in Colorado and nothing.
http://csp.state.co.us/memorium.cfm
http://csp.state.co.us/clem.cfm
Which is surprising since, even if you got the state wrong, an escaped convict getting off based on that defense after killing three police officers seems like a story that wouldn't be that hard to find a reference to.
Arthur
A LINK would help.
I can't find anything that remotely resembles the story you wrote about.
I've gone back to the 80s in Colorado and nothing.
http://csp.state.co.us/memorium.cfm
http://csp.state.co.us/clem.cfm
Which is surprising since, even if you got the state wrong, an escaped convict getting off based on that defense after killing three police officers seems like a story that wouldn't be that hard to find a reference to.
Arthur
Late 90's, maybe 2000. It of course brought up other debates about the Make my Day laws. I sent an email off to the post to see if they have any assistance, their search tools SUCK. And even if you find something they want $3 to show it to you. What really got me is how spotty it is. Searching by the names of a few escaped felons showed news about their escape and nothing about their capture and then far later articles about their sentences. So at some point they were re-captured or surrendered, it just wasn't news...
Although Brent J Brents 1300 year sentence almost got me curious enough to look up his list of charges. He was a child molester though, and it's almost lunch time, so we'll just leave that in the 'Don't want to know' bin.
Although Brent J Brents 1300 year sentence almost got me curious enough to look up his list of charges. He was a child molester though, and it's almost lunch time, so we'll just leave that in the 'Don't want to know' bin.
QUOTE (Corvidae+Feb 8 2008, 05:02 PM)
Late 90's, maybe 2000. It of course brought up other debates about the Make my Day laws. I sent an email off to the post to see if they have any assistance, their search tools SUCK. And even if you find something they want $3 to show it to you. What really got me is how spotty it is. Searching by the names of a few escaped felons showed news about their escape and nothing about their capture and then far later articles about their sentences. So at some point they were re-captured or surrendered, it just wasn't news...
Although Brent J Brents 1300 year sentence almost got me curious enough to look up his list of charges. He was a child molester though, and it's almost lunch time, so we'll just leave that in the 'Don't want to know' bin.
It's a home FISSION system that will enable terrorists everywhere to make homemade atomic bombs.
Although Brent J Brents 1300 year sentence almost got me curious enough to look up his list of charges. He was a child molester though, and it's almost lunch time, so we'll just leave that in the 'Don't want to know' bin.
It's a home FISSION system that will enable terrorists everywhere to make homemade atomic bombs.
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