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uaafanblog
Here's mine ... there's some conventional choices I guess but mostly unconventional choices I think. Sorry ... no Star Wars, no E.T., no Close Encounters, no MIB, no Back to the Future ... all are obviously fine films and important in their own right. But they just don't make my list because any movie that gets that popular turns me off.

10. The Postman
I know critics hated this movie. But I love post-apocalyptic stories and as far as the movies made from such stories this is my favorite. It's a long movie. But at it's heart is the message that one person can make a difference. Kevin Costner's character starts out with the wrong motivation but grows to learn what is important. In a lot of ways it is a simple story and admittedly some of the dialogue is probably trite. But I can argue it's the best of it's genre and I had to include at least one post-apoc film.
9. Contact
For Carl ... when that simple dedication came on the screen at the end of this great film I broke into tears. What a wonderful fictional legacy he left to add to the science legacy that he shared through his Cosmos series and all his other work educating the public. Carl is/was one of the primary reasons I get excited about science. The movies does a great job of exploring very important questions for humanity. It should be shown to and examined by every 6th grade student in this country.
8. The Thirteenth Floor
This is the movie that the Wachowski Bros ripped off to make the Matrix trilogy. While I like the Matrix movies and think they were all well-executed, it would be bankrupt morally to choose them over this film which originated the concept. The Thirteenth Floor is a bit of a film-noir murder mystery thriller. Gretchen Mol is unforgettable as far as I'm concerned and the lead Craig Bierko's quietly intense performance was excellent. This movie does a far better job (IMO) of exploring the morality of virtual existence than the Matrix series and has great plot twists.
7. Terminator(s)
I give the whole series a nod here. The first movie was certainly groundbreaking in terms of concept but the 2nd was executed a million times better. I even liked the third one (probably because of the hot chick).
6. Blade Runner
Harrison Ford's finest performance. Coupled with what I'd call one of (if not THE) finest performances ever in a Sci-Fi movie by Rutger Hauer and it's can't miss; the definition of humanity is dramatically explored by Hauer with aplomb. Ridley Scott's visuals and effects are stunning. He is a lighting genius even if there are gross holes in the movie (mostly only obvious after multiple viewings). The supporting cast is terrific. I walked out of the theater awe-struck.
5. Alien
I'd include the whole series here but frankly the first movie was ground-breaking enough to stand in this place on it's own. It was a great date movie. My date was all over me and grabbing me throughout the film in the theater. Ridley Scott is one of my favorite directors.
4. The Fifth Element
Yes. 4th best Sci-Fi of all time. Two words is all it takes to say why ... Milla Jovovich. She isn't all I like about the film though. It is just a flat out entertainingly fun ride. It's filled with humor and doesn't take itself too seriously but at the same time has a coherent view of a future world that has it's foibles just as our present does. There are serious flaws in the science but they're all forgivable from my perspective.
3. Forbidden Planet
This movie set the standard for everything that followed. How can you beat monsters "from the Id"? You just can't ... well unless you put a series of short skirts on Anne Francis ... wowie! What gams that broad had! Seriously, Robbie the Robot rules! Walter Pidgeon as Dr. Morbius was genius and the "frame-by-frame hand-drawn" special effects/sets are top notch for the era.
2. Twelve Monkeys
Terry Gilliam is simply a genius director. This movies' story is very well-executed and deals with the always tricky time-travel issue exceedingly well. The cast is certainly the best all-time for a Sci-Fi movie with tour-de-force performances by two guys (Willis and Pitt) at the height of their acting abilities. And hey ... who doesn't love a "fated" love story.
1. 2001 - A Space Oddesey
This film is #1 because it was a quantum leap ahead in presentation. Obviously, the story itself is compelling and Arthur C. Clarke was a genius but Stanley Kubrick's delivery of the story was breathtaking. I saw this film in the theatre in 1970 as a 9 year old. I didn't understand it but was hooked on the genre because of the special effects and realism brought to the screen.

Other also-rans that I like but couldn't find reason to put them on this list ... (note here ... any movie with Zombies doesn't make my cut) ...

A.I. -- Great story. Made me cry. A bit too long though perhaps.
Minority Report -- Love the setting. Love the effects. Love the vision of the future. Hate the whole psychic BS part.
The Day the Earth Stood Still -- A remake would be nice. It's a little too innocent for me. The subject of first contact and a landing are great to explore. But the public anxiety that the filmmakers imagined would occur is exaggerated in my opinion.
The Andromeda Strain -- Came close to making my list. Really good movie. Very realistically presented. Remake soon on the Bravo network. I'll be watching.
Gattaca -- Great story about humanity's ability to overcome our shortcomings. Just not enough science in the fiction for me to include it. Great movie nonetheless.
Serenity -- Well made movie but having watched the TV show on which it's based leaves me in a bad spot to include it on the list. Watch the whole TV series.
Deep Impact -- A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN Armageddon. Compelling story. Realistic (but arguably wrong) solution to the problem. Just don't ever watch Armageddon. Ever. It is a useless piece of crap compared to Deep Impact.
The Thing -- John Carpenters best movie ... including Halloween. Riveting in it's suspense.
Dune -- Made by the wrong director. Could have been a great movie.
Dark City -- Another pre-Matrix film about virtual reality. Well done.
The Abyss -- Really good film. Dumb ending though.
A Boy and His Dog -- Funny post-apocalyptic story. Ending had "good taste".

My definition of Crap ...
Armageddon -- Crappiest movie ever made.
The Black Hole -- Ick. Total Stupidity
Total Recall -- Mutant in some guys abdomen? Puhlease ... I like Phillip K. *** and all but gawd ...
Invasion of the Body Snatchers -- Sigh ... just crappy
Comic Book Movies -- Spiderman, Superman, Fantastic Four, X-Men etc ... all pure CRAPPOLA.
The Fly series -- something seriously wrong with David Cronenberg. Really. Dude is screwed in the head.
Event Horizon -- Are you kidding me? Satan comes back on a missing ship through some unexplained black hole?? Blargh ...
Sphere -- Anything with Dustin Hoffman sucks turds ...
Zarkov
Quatermass Experiment

The Man Who Fell to Earth

All time great... The Rocky Horror Picture Show

a good kids one... The Flight Of The Navigator (demonstrates the power of an inertial drive)



uaafanblog
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 26 2008, 07:28 AM)
Quatermass Experiment

The Man Who Fell to Earth

All time great... The Rocky Horror Picture Show

a good kids one... The Flight Of The Navigator (demonstrates the power of an inertial drive)

Quartermass Experiment = Horror Movie
The Man Who Fell to Earth = Artsy Fartsy Bore-Fest
Rocky Horror Picture Show = Musical

At least you listed one Sci Fi movie ... so all hope is not lost for you.
N O M
My list for TV series:

1. Babylon 5

2. Firefly

3. Farscape

4. Star Trek(s)

5. Dune (the miniseries, not the movie)

6. Dr Who

7. Quantum Leap

8. Stargate(s)

9. Battlestar Galactica (the first series, not the recent one)

10. Joe 90
Sec
N O M,

My choice of TV series is almost identical, except I'd have Stingray and Red Dwarf instead of Firefly and Battlestar G'.

rethinker
Just a quick one for now, but this one got me as a young lad.

THE Day the Earth Stood Still.

When the spaceship landed, and the way that door opened was just spectacular.
Then when he opened that mysterious eye.!
TheDoc
Top Ten Sci-fi movies:

10. The Matrix Reloaded

9. Aliens

8. The Terminator

7. Serenity

6. War of the Worlds (2005)

5. The War of the Worlds (1953)

4. Iron Man

3. The Forbidden Planet

2. The Day the Earth Stood Still

1. The Fifth Element

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Top Five TV series:

5. Stargate Atlantis

4. Star Trek: The Next Generation

3. Stargate SG-1

2. The Twilight Zone (1959)

1. Doctor Who (2005)
NEU-FONZE
My list (in no particular order):

Forbidden Planet
Altered States
2001
Journey to the Center of the Earth
Blade Runner
Barbarella
Metropolis
Road Warrior
Omega Man
Back to the Future
N O M
QUOTE (TheDoc+May 27 2008, 10:46 AM)
1. The Fifth Element

Mmm... the perfect being smile.gif

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4. Iron Man
A female colleague's comment on this movie was "I really liked Gwenneth's shoes" ph34r.gif

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4. Iron Man
A female colleague's comment on this movie was "I really liked Gwenneth's shoes" ph34r.gif

6. War of the Worlds (2005)
Is that the Tom Cruise version? It sucked.


A few more suggestions:

Dark Angell (that's the Dolf Lundgren film released in the states as "I Come In Peace")
Transformers
Dark Star
Universal Soldier
Starship Troopers
Enemy Mine
Logan's Run
Cherry 2000
Circuitry Man


How about worst Sci-Fi movies of all time?

1. Gor (1988), though the sequel may actually be worse sad.gif
2. Waterworld
3. Battlefield Earth
4. War of the Worlds (2005)
5. Dune (1980)
TheDoc
QUOTE (N O M+)
A female colleague's comment on this movie was "I really liked Gwenneth's shoes"  ph34r.gif


Tony Stark has the best suit ever laugh.gif

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Is that the Tom Cruise version? It sucked.


Oh, come on - it wasn't that bad.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Is that the Tom Cruise version? It sucked.


Oh, come on - it wasn't that bad.

Transformers


Satan's Camaro! laugh.gif
Sinister Utopia
The problem with most Sci-fi Movies (IMO) is that they tend to blow hot and cold.

Take Independence Day for instance, The start was great, the FX were convincing and the tension built up all the way until the whole of PLANET EARTH was spared destruction (from a technologically superior race!) by Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum with a Laptop computer? dry.gif

I don't think so.

I'm not a big fan of Sequels (especially in Sci-Fi) with a few exceptions, but I could see a much better story if the aliens destroyed pretty much everything and then the few survivors could have launched a counter attack in 'Independence Day II, The Earth Strikes Back' biggrin.gif

Equally, the Predator is a great idea for a Sci-fi Movie and it lives up to this all the way up to Arnie actually surviving a Thermo Nuclear blast and escaping into a Helicopter.
The only other survivor was a woman who I believe survived because she was unarmed, which was kind of the point. To add further insult neither Arnie or the Woman featured in the sequel!

IMO only the Woman should have survived. Still a good film though.

In contrast 'The Thing' has one of the best endings to any film (IMO)
But I won't spoil that one for those who haven't seen it. wink.gif

I'm still compiling my top 10, it's a tricky one.

Regards
uaafanblog
QUOTE (N O M+May 26 2008, 09:15 PM)
My list for TV series:

1. Babylon 5

2. Firefly

3. Farscape

4. Star Trek(s)

5. Dune (the miniseries, not the movie)

6. Dr Who

7. Quantum Leap

8. Stargate(s)

9. Battlestar Galactica (the first series, not the recent one)

10. Joe 90

I'll play ...
10. Star Trek (Original) - There was a point where I pretty much knew the next line of dialogue but kept watching reruns anyway.
9. Lexx - Stanley Tweedle!!! A lot of goofy stuff, a lot of funny lines. I don't think I ever saw all of the shows but I'd like to.
8. Battlestar Galactica - The new one. The old one is complete 70's trash TV. The new one has been great except for the long break. The first episodes (movie?) hooked me. Great writing. And the Sharons ... omg I'm so in love with the Sharons.
7. The Outer Limits - We are controlling the transmission!
6. The Twilight Zone - Rod Serling ... nuff said. The new Canadian produced series is decent too.
5. Star Trek Voyager - Most trekkies hate this one but it was the best of the lot as far as I'm concerned; the Doctor and Q got all the great lines!. Don't get me wrong ... I love Jean-Luc and all but having to watch that idiotic Deanna Troi character made me sick. DS-9 was crap.
4. Stargate Atlantis - Teyla reminds me fondly of my ex g/f.
3. The X-Files - Scully is hot. A petite redhead? Just hot.
2. Firefly - This show should have and could have went on and on and on as far as I'm concerned.
1. Stargate SG-1 - Ya gotta love Jack. That's all ... the guy had more great lines than anyone in TV history and delivered them all perfectly. And hey ... we kicked the Gould's ***, stomped some replicators, saved the most advanced race in the cosmos with our bullets and then kicked butt on extra-galactic supernatural beings!

buttershug
I would like to collect all the movies mentioned in the song Science Fiction Double Feature from RHPS.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (buttershug+May 27 2008, 01:02 PM)
I would like to collect all the movies mentioned in the song Science Fiction Double Feature from RHPS.

Maybe you could list them for those of us that are culturally deficient in terms of whatever RHPS is.
buttershug
QUOTE (uaafanblog+May 27 2008, 01:36 PM)
Maybe you could list them for those of us that are culturally deficient in terms of whatever RHPS is.

I'm at work right now.

RHPS is Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Some movies mentioned;
Forbidden Planet
The day the earth stood still
Flash gordon
Day of the Triffids.

The movie that involved being killed if someone passed you a paper with runes written on it.

I just found this link,
http://www.rockymusic.org/sfdf/

I will have to read it all when I get home.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (buttershug+May 27 2008, 01:46 PM)
I'm at work right now.

RHPS is Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Some movies mentioned;
Forbidden Planet
The day the earth stood still
Flash gordon
Day of the Triffids.

The movie that involved being killed if someone passed you a paper with runes written on it.

I just found this link,
http://www.rockymusic.org/sfdf/

I will have to read it all when I get home.

Thanks for enlightening me. Was never a fan personally ... didn't/still don't understand the appeal but to each his own right?
Zarkov
QUOTE
Science Fiction Double Feature


Best SciFi movie, best concepts, best music, best entertainment... RHPS had EVERYTHING

LOL

Lets Do the Time Warp Again.... weeeeee..thump!
Capracus
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 27 2008, 09:18 PM)

Best SciFi movie, best concepts, best music, best entertainment... RHPS had EVERYTHING

LOL

Lets Do the Time Warp Again.... weeeeee..thump!

Let's not forget this gem based on your galactic exploits.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068595/
N O M
QUOTE (Capracus+May 28 2008, 09:39 AM)
Let's not forget this gem based on your galactic exploits.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068595/

I'd completely forgotten about that gem laugh.gif


QUOTE (Dr Flexi Zerkoff+)
Lets Do the Time Warp Again.... weeeeee..thump!
That explains quite a lot about you. Certainly the suspenders and heels tongue.gif

Quantum_Conundrum
Hmm top ten movies.

I don't really have any of this in any particular order, but I'm going to cheat.


1) Star Craft: Broodwar

This is not a movie, its a video game, but do a little research if you do not know what this is. It is, by and large, considered the best video game ever made, and certainly the best Real Time Strategy game ever made, and its sci-fi of course. It is still one of the top games at world gaming championships and leagues after 10 years...This game is a 300-400 action per minute game at the pro level, so "easy to learn, nearly impossible to master".


2) Terminator 2.

This movie basicly layed the ground work for all modern special effects, and its action and script are almost un-matched in any movie ever made.

3) The Thing

I just watched this for the first time ever about a week ago, and was amazed at it, and that's considering the fact its over 20 years old movie...Definitely belongs on the list

4) Alien

Revolutionary special effects and just unique and vicious concept of what an almost sentient, hive minded alien life form might be. This movie basicly helped shape my entire concept of science fiction.

5) Star Trek: First Contact
No offense to William Shatner or any of the orginal Star Trek's cast, but this is, in my oppinion, by far the best Star Trek movie ever made. It is actually the Sequel to William Shatner's Star Trek book "Legends", which is the sequel to Star Trek:Generations.

6) Stargate
I haven't actually watched it as much as First Contact, but I might actually place this ahead of some other movies on this list. Its basicly just good story telling and sci-fi that is something other than just starship vs starship or "Man vs evil creature".

Oh well, I'm not even sure what else to put in the top 10, can't seem to concentrate. Blade runner probably somewhere, no clue other than that.


Here are some movies that do not make the cut.
The Matrix
Even though it has some revolutionary special effects, it really isn't anything "new" in terms of concept. The concept is actually as old as Lewis Carrol, and there are a ridiculous number of Lewis Carrol references in the movie. Its a movie about ontology more so than science fiction.

The Fifth Element
Unlike some of you, I just never found this movie all that. In fact, I only watched it one time all the way through, and found it detestable and un-watchable ever since then.


Biggest Disappointments of all time:

Alien Vs Predator
Personally, I found this movie to be worse than horrible compared to either of its parent movies. As "crossover" movies go, this one had the greatest potential of anything I could possibly imagine. However, it got turned into some sort of twisted version of "13 Ghosts" that somehow managed to be even worse than "13 Ghosts" itself...Just plain sad, and what was even more shocking is they made a sequel...

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Anakin Skywalker and of course Jar Jar Binks are BAR NONE the two worst characters EVER in a motion picture. Their entire script consists of "Ooops", "...oops" over and over. How many times can you accidentally save the day? Apparantly these two can accidentally do what an entire army cannot. Then in the second and third movies in the prequel trilogy, Anakin's script changes to about 50% "You are so beautiful" when speaking to his girlfriend, and the remainder "Yes Master" or "I hate you".
uaafanblog
Rocky Horror is not a Sci-Fi movie. Sorry. But it isn't. It is a "gay" (term used in every possible connotation) musical. Plain and simple. It is obviously an enjoyable movie to many many folks. It is legendary in that sense and I'm sure it's "fabulous"; but it isn't a Sci-Fi movie.
gmilam
Can't think of ten good ones... but I don't watch a lot of movies.

But a couple of my favorites are Contact and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And a great TV series, Firefly.
N O M
QUOTE (buttershug+May 28 2008, 01:02 AM)
I would like to collect all the movies mentioned in the song Science Fiction Double Feature from RHPS.

So are you also admitting to be a transvestite, like Flexi did earlier? unsure.gif
buttershug
QUOTE (N O M+May 28 2008, 09:48 PM)
So are you also admitting to be a transvestite, like Flexi did earlier? unsure.gif

I didn't think I was. But I will admit that by night I"m one hell of a lover.
And Hot Patootie, I love that rock and roll.

And my orinigal post was only talking about the movies listed. There are some great ones mentioned in the song.

Has anyone mentioned Forbidden Planet?
A 50's sci fi with Leslie Neilson based on a Shakespeare play.
egnorant
I tend to agree with a lot of these choices and place 5th Element on my list.
A couple that I rank as sleepers that are among my fav movies are
The Last Starfighter
Electric Dreams

Still looking for a good sentient computer movie.
Possibly Bicentennial Man or Colossus: The Forbin Project.

TV shows are difficult as I believe the series should be watched constantly.
Heroes is good and keeps me wondering..Lost? Sci-Fi?
Babylon 5 is tops on my list but I have never seen Firefly!!

Bruce
uaafanblog
QUOTE (buttershug+May 28 2008, 10:22 PM)
Has anyone mentioned Forbidden Planet?
A 50's sci fi with Leslie Neilson based on a Shakespeare play.

Yes. I ranked it third ...

QUOTE
3. Forbidden Planet
This movie set the standard for everything that followed. How can you beat monsters "from the Id"? You just can't ... well unless you put a series of short skirts on Anne Francis ... wowie! What gams that broad had! Seriously, Robbie the Robot rules! Walter Pidgeon as Dr. Morbius was genius and the "frame-by-frame hand-drawn" special effects/sets are top notch for the era.
soundhertz
Not the best scifi, but the scifi that hit good'n'hard for me was

The Outer Limits, scary show at 8 yrs. old in '63
Twilight Zone, not as scary but just as heady.
Star Trek, the perfect show for me at 11
2001, saw it the day it came out,probably the coolest movie experience for me until LOTR
Alien, my favorite scary scifi
The Thing, my second favorite scary scifi
STNG, total excellence
Hitch Hiker's Guide, TV, favorite smart/funny scifi
Lost, well I keep watching it...
I'm sure there's more.

gmilam
Hitchhiker's Guide - you gotta love it just for Douglas Adams' little side comments and observations.
soundhertz
QUOTE
That explains quite a lot about you. Certainly the suspenders and heels tongue.gif


That was precisely the first image that came to me too. Don't forget the pouty lipstick/rouge...poor 'patients' laugh.gif
Ron
I had a good list until gmilam brought up The Hitchhiker's guide. I'd put both the movie and the original mini series in my top 5, but I'll have to make them like 3.5 and 4.5 now.

1)They Live
2)2001
3)T-2
4)Blade Runner
5)Fifth Element
6)The Matrix
7)The Time Machine (1960)
8)Alien
9)Serenity
10)Planet of the Apes (1968)

Peace,
Ron
Gehn
Here's my top 5:

1. The Matrix

My No. 1 fav Sci - Fi movie. The idea is great, the effects are great, and the acting is great. It's just too bad the sequel was complete bull****.

2. The Twelve Monkeys

I LOVE that movie. Bruce Willis is great in it, and it's very well done overall.

3. Contact

It was a really great movie up 'till the end, which was a bit of an anti - climax. Still, it had a brilliant atmosphere to it

4. Serenity

Based on the TV "Firefly" series, which I also liked a lot

5. Alien

Focuses more on blood and gore, but the idea of the alien life cycle was really cool

2001 - A Space Odyssey isn't in my top five because I just don't think it's that great. It's really good, but other movies are better. It tries to put a "deep" meaning into it, but kinda fails to get it across. It's like the Sci - Fi equivalent of James Joyce's "Ulysses". The idea of HAL was brilliant, but some parts weren't very well thought out, and got pretty boring.

- Gehn biggrin.gif


soundhertz
QUOTE
It's like the Sci - Fi equivalent of James Joyce's "Ulysses".

They're making you guys read "Ulysses" in school? ohmy.gif

Back when I was in 8th grade it was "Catcher in the Rye". Not no mo'!

Of course I'm not discounting that you're quite capable of choosing Joyce on your own. smile.gif

Kubrick intentionally made "2001" uber -dense/cryptic. Asimov was far less so in the book. Kubrick was also much into long scenes of almost nothing. He was kind of tapping into the changing paradigms of that time, times in which many concepts great and subtle were being suspended, reconsidered, etc. Things like that tend to accelerate the dating of a film. But for the mindset in 1968, that film was a gas.
vkamath
Terminator 2 : Judgment Day
12 Monkeys
Planet of the Apes
The Matrix (Part 1)
Men In Black
I, Robot
K-Pax (Sci-fi, suspense. Fantastic ending. Doesn't really resolve anything...yet it does.)
Alien
The Host (actually a monster movie)
Fortress 2 (haven't see Fortress 1)
Ron
Has no one seen They Live, or do I just have a poor sense of b-sci fi classics?

BTW Soundhertz, I'm sure it was just a brain fart, but Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001.
Peace,
Ron
buttershug
QUOTE (Ron+May 29 2008, 08:35 PM)
Has no one seen They Live, or do I just have a poor sense of b-sci fi classics?

BTW Soundhertz, I'm sure it was just a brain fart, but Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001.
Peace,
Ron

I saw it and hated it.

It made no sense. Aliens come and want to exploit earth, and everyone is out of work? Dontcha think they would have everyone working overtime?

And why were people killing them? Is it open season for first world people if they visit a third world country? Same idea.


But the line "I've come here to kick *** and chew bubble gum, and I"m all out of bubble gum" is great.
soundhertz
[/QUOTE]BTW Soundhertz, I'm sure it was just a brain fart, but Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001.[QUOTE]

Yeah it was, my bad tongue.gif . With the book sitting 3 feet away from me to boot.
kjw
what is the opinion of the forum on southland tales

although the sci-fi aspect is limited to perpetual motion and time travel, i do think this movie is something special
uaafanblog
QUOTE (kjw+May 30 2008, 10:04 PM)
what is the opinion of the forum on southland tales

although the sci-fi aspect is limited to perpetual motion and time travel, i do think this movie is something special

I had never heard of this film. The link you provided has a scene by scene synopsis (which I read) though so now I don't have to see the film.

I always like the post-apoc genre but generally I prefer much more devastation. In general, I don't think I'd enjoy it as it really seems partially like a vehicle for just supposing the post-horror political scene. Not interesting to me. While it does have elements of an individual struggle it just doesn't grab me enough to go out of my way to see it.

You said it was "special" ... why?
FGG
in no particular order...

(movies)
2001
2010
The day the earth stood still
forbidden planet
alien
aliens
serenity
blade runner
terminator 1
Bicentennial man
Andromeda Strain (the original)
Red Planet
Star Trek II (Kahn)
Caveman -- after a beer or two

(Books)
The Robot novels
The Foundation novels

(TV)
Star Trek TOS
Star Trek TNG
Battlestar Galactica (original)

TheDoc
After some of the events in this episode, could we consider Lost a sci-fi series?
rethinker
Any help on the most mentioned movie on this topic would be helpful.

Here is what I have so far.


Title---------------Times Mentioned

2001--------------------------10

Alien--------------------------8

Forbidden Planet---------------8

The Day the Earth Stood Still--6

The Thing----------------------4

Planet of the Apes------------ 2

The Postman--------------------1

The Predator-------------------1

Did we forget
Back To The Future? !!!!


wink.gif
uaafanblog
Back To The Future got consideration from me but didn't make my cut for various reasons. I suppose I'm prejudiced in favor of spaced-based sci-fi.

The one additional mention of a film that slipped my mind here is Red Planet ... I'd definitely have to put it in my top 10 and quite possibly top 5.

Val Kilmer is brilliant in that film. Getting to deliver the line, "Here's that moment they warned us about in High School, when Algebra would save our lives" must have been the highlight for him . What a great line (on of the best in film history IMnsHO)!

I have no real idea if the depiction of the zero gravity fire was scientifically accurate but it sure was intuitively accurate ... by which I mean ... a zero gravity fire MUST look like that eh?

And lastly ... What about Highlander? Should it be on the list, is it Sci-Fi (I say no ...)?

And now that I've typed that, Sean Connery crosses my mind and I'd say that Outland should be somewhere on the just missed list. Which reminds me that someone mentioned Zardoz ... I actually saw that movie in the theater when I was 14. Odd story. Odd concepts. Odd delivery. Odd movie. But I remember it having lotsa boobs! Seriously though, I rewatched it a few years ago and yeah ... still found it odd.

As to comments that 2001 could be slow or otherwise boring in places. I tend to agree even though I worship at the Kubrick alter. However, it was such a seminal accomplishment in filmmaking that I don't think it will ever lose it's place among the top five. It was almost another DECADE before anyone came close to the detailed effects that made it so wonderful. It was visionary. Kubrick was a genius.

I'd also like to comment on Starship Troopers. I thought that it was an entertainment-fest!!!; and I appreciated it's Global-centric view vs. the typical U.S. centered view of such movies. I loved it the first time I saw it. But I also sat in the theater thinking .... um why are you fighting a war with bugs with Infantrymen ... wouldn't an A-10 Warthog wipe out all those bugs with little or no effort? It was that basic failing that keeps it off the "missed the cut" list in my book.
FGG
QUOTE (rethinker+May 31 2008, 03:51 AM)
The Thing----------------------4

Oooooo! I forgot about that one!

The Thing (the original of course. A definite classic! scared the crap out of me as a kid!)

FGG
wcelliott
QUOTE
I'd also like to comment on Starship Troopers.


My favorite review of Starship Troopers was that it was what Star Wars would've been had the Nazis won the war.
N O M
QUOTE (uaafanblog+May 31 2008, 11:08 PM)
And lastly ... What about Highlander? Should it be on the list, is it Sci-Fi (I say no ...)?

Only if you count the sequel, which was one of the worst movies of all time.

Highlander wasn't very well acted and was scientifically and historically inaccurate (samurai swords from 400 BC), but I loved it. One of the good things about it was that it made no effort at all to explain itself.
I would categorise it as fantasy.

QUOTE
I'd also like to comment on Starship Troopers.  I thought that it was an entertainment-fest!!!; and I appreciated it's Global-centric view vs. the typical U.S. centered view of such movies.  I loved it the first time I saw it.  But I also sat in the theater thinking .... um why are you fighting a war with bugs with Infantrymen ... wouldn't an A-10 Warthog wipe out all those bugs with little or no effort?  It was that basic failing that keeps it off the "missed the cut" list in my book.
The book was all about infantry, though I think they used powered armour.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 1 2008, 07:45 AM)
Only if you count the sequel, which was one of the worst movies of all time.

Highlander wasn't very well acted and was scientifically and historically inaccurate (samurai swords from 400 BC), but I loved it. One of the good things about it was that it made no effort at all to explain itself.
I would categorise it as fantasy.

Yeah ... not Sci-Fi. I was one of the few people that saw Highlander at the theater when it was released. I guess it was one of the first (if not THE first) movie that gained its fans from Video Tape rentals. (I'm still nonplussed that VHS won the market war with Beta ... man oh man ... people are stoopid.)

Anyway ... I think it is was splendidly directed; the transitions between past and present were all slick. The final fight sequence was genius with the "floating" camera shots. But I think the Queen soundtrack had as much to do with people digging the movie as anything. I watched 15 mins of the sequel and walked out.

Whenever my ex g/f and I would find ourselves agreeing on something we'd often simultaneously break out the line, "We Are Brothers!!!" to celebrate our agreement. LOL.

But yeah ... Christopher Lambert couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag.
rethinker

Quote:>uaafanblog
no Back to the Future<

Quote: Rethinker
>Did we forget
Back To The Future? <

My girlfriend and I got caught last year bringing our own popcorn into the theater. By surprise attack from behind.

We were guilty and pleaded not to do it again.
Later that summer we read the manager was arrested for doing something in the theater.
He is no longer the manager.

I don't know if they have hired a new popcorn detective yet!
zoktoberfest
Many fine movies have already been mentioned, here are few others for consideration

Metropolis (1926)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ffa3Qa4ah4

The Cell (2000)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=maqzWroZWII&feature=related

The illustrated man (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgNYE7jcAFM

Robocop (1987)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=clqK5OC3BWE

Kronos (1957)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7ErOqYD-i3Q

Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1987) honarable mention for a B movie
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8MkTiRl58&feature=related


FGG
QUOTE (zoktoberfest+Jun 1 2008, 05:20 PM)
Many fine movies have already been mentioned, here are few others for consideration

A few comments...
QUOTE (zoktoberfest+Jun 1 2008, 05:20 PM)
Metropolis (1926)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ffa3Qa4ah4

A revolutionary film for its time. Pretty interesting still these days.

QUOTE (zoktoberfest+Jun 1 2008, 05:20 PM)
The illustrated man (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgNYE7jcAFM

Interesting, but not on my top 50.

QUOTE (zoktoberfest+Jun 1 2008, 05:20 PM)
Robocop (1987)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=clqK5OC3BWE

Again interesting. Raised moral questions that we will need to address at some time.

FGG

soundhertz
QUOTE
Kronos (1957)

It was my first favorite scifi film! I didn't think anybody knew that one. Kronos was one big mutha; the scene of it emerging from the atomic bomb aftermath was great, and the way it moved was really unique. I'd love to see that again, would probably laugh now...

Anybody remember "The Flesh Eaters"? or "Teenagers from Outer Space"? (they fought this giant scorpion thing) and of course "The Giant Lepus"! which might have inspired Mad Magazine's "Attack of the Killer Fawns" poster. laugh.gif
zoktoberfest
I'm a bit surprised, so far, that "The Cell" didn't incite more response. Personally, I thought the unique application of a plot already explored in "Seven", held its' own and the special effects (more actual than virtual) were morbidly spectacular.

The stark contrast between outer and inner realities, the mundane and the fantastic, the immaculate and the monstrous was particularly effective for me. I was susceptible to the mood invoked by the director through out the movie. The stunning set artistry, character manipulation, and deft plot progression, all contributed to unveiling the private mind and public actions of a sadistic mass murderer.

Thumbs up! Way up!
N O M
The Cell was a below average thriller. It wouldn't countn it as Sci-Fi at all.
gmilam
Speaking of SciFi...

Can anyone tell me why the bookstores lump SciFi and Fantasy together?

And, the last few times I've tuned into the SciFi channel everything seemed to be about ghosts and hauntings... Wazzup with that?
zoktoberfest
Quote
The Cell was a below average thriller. It wouldn't countn it as Sci-Fi at all.

"Mark Protosevich's screenplay is ingenious in the way it intercuts three kinds of stories. On one level, "The Cell" is science fiction about virtual reality, complete with the ominous observation that if your mind thinks it's real, then it is real, and it could kill you. On another level, the movie is a wildly visionary fantasy, in which the mind spaces of Stargher and Deane are landscapes by Jung out of Dali, with a touch of the tarot deck, plus light-and-sound trips reminiscent of "2001: A Space Odyssey." On the third level, the movie is a race against time, in which a victim struggles for her life while the FBI desperately pieces together clues; these scenes reminded me of "The Silence of the Lambs." The intercutting is so well done that at the end there is tension from all three directions, and what's at stake is not simply the life of the next victim, but also the soul of Carl Stargher, who lets Catherine get glimpses of his unhappy childhood."
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.d...WS/8180303/1023

Different strokes......


The SciFi channel is, indeed, a major disppointment.
zoktoberfest
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uaafanblog
The Cell --- I vote not Sci-Fi.

It's a horror-thriller. It was a compelling film no doubt. I mostly enjoyed it. But without getting too much into a definition of Sci-Fi I think you have to have some exploration of technology at minimum to qualify in a categorical sense. My recollection of The Cell contains no memory of any "technology". Mind-reading/melding doesn't qualify in my book.

As to the Sci-Fi channels inclusion of horror in its format; I suppose it's just a matter of quantity ... i.e... there isn't enough "real" Sci-Fi to fill their broadcast day. Disappointing but probably just a factor of their bottom line. Discerning viewers (which I'm sure we all are) can tell the difference between a horror movie and a Sci-Fi movie ... but can the average joe?

Oh yeah ... in my book ... Killer Klowns From Outer Space isn't a Sci-Fi movie either. Neither is The Giant Spider Invasion or Attack of the 50ft Woman et al.
N O M
QUOTE (gmilam+Jun 3 2008, 11:33 AM)
Can anyone tell me why the bookstores lump SciFi and Fantasy together?

Sometimes it's hard to tell. Ever read any shadowrun books? They are both cyberpunk and fantasy.
newton
here's some great fliks not mentioned, yet

brazil
thx1138
ghost in the shell
akira
liquid sky
repoman
buckeroo bonzai
from beyond
the fly
minority report
paycheck

MORE?:

the puppet masters
the demon seed
demolition man
coma
altered states
aeon flux
final fantasy: spirits within
lawnmower man
brainstorm
1984
freejack
escape from new york
enemy mine
alien nation



the movie they HAVE to make is ender's game. best book ever.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400403/

looks like they ARE making it!




here's the top fifty from imdb:

Rank Title
1 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 8.8/10 (200198 votes)
2 Star Wars (1977) 8.8/10 (240821 votes)
3 Matrix, The (1999) 8.6/10 (271043 votes)
4 Ivan Vasilevich menyaet professiyu (1973) 8.5/10 (1145 votes)
5 Alien (1979) 8.5/10 (125771 votes)
6 Metropolis (1927) 8.4/10 (26489 votes)
7 Aliens (1986) 8.4/10 (121216 votes)
8 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 8.4/10 (157193 votes)
9 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 8.3/10 (116728 votes)
10 Prestige, The (2006) 8.3/10 (114580 votes)
11 Blade Runner (1982) 8.3/10 (135859 votes)
12 Back to the Future (1985) 8.2/10 (138144 votes)
13 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) 8.2/10 (156659 votes)
14 Donnie Darko (2001) 8.2/10 (142476 votes)
15 Bride of Frankenstein (1935) 8.1/10 (10946 votes)
16 Incredibles, The (2004) 8.1/10 (103175 votes)
17 V for Vendetta (2005) 8.1/10 (142411 votes)
18 Children of Men (2006) 8.1/10 (98813 votes)
19 Iron Man (2008) 8.1/10 (66075 votes)
20 Thing, The (1982) 8.1/10 (48264 votes)
21 Frankenstein (1931) 8.1/10 (15384 votes)
22 Stalker (1979) 8.1/10 (12750 votes)
23 Day the Earth Stood Still, The (1951) 8.1/10 (20413 votes)
24 Kin-Dza-Dza (1986) 8.0/10 (2639 votes)
25 Terminator, The (1984) 8.0/10 (119000 votes)
26 Twelve Monkeys (1995) 8.0/10 (118797 votes)
27 Kaze no tani no Naushika (1984) 8.0/10 (11853 votes)
28 Fail-Safe (1964) 8.0/10 (5863 votes)
29 Solyaris (1972) 8.0/10 (12888 votes)
30 Man from Earth, The (2007) 8.0/10 (14040 votes)
31 Toki wo kakeru shôjo (2006) 8.0/10 (1877 votes)
32 Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) 8.0/10 (10162 votes)
33 Hauru no ugoku shiro (2004) 8.0/10 (25672 votes)
34 Young Frankenstein (1974) 8.0/10 (43787 votes)
35 Planet of the Apes (1968) 8.0/10 (38269 votes)
36 Grindhouse (2007) 8.0/10 (60091 votes)
37 Tenkû no shiro Rapyuta (1986) 8.0/10 (13368 votes)
38 Night of the Living Dead (1968) 7.9/10 (27055 votes)
39 Batoru rowaiaru (2000) 7.9/10 (33534 votes)
40 Seksmisja (1984) 7.9/10 (1967 votes)
41 Invisible Man, The (1933) 7.9/10 (5537 votes)
42 Serenity (2005) 7.8/10 (77018 votes)
43 Truman Show, The (1998) 7.8/10 (109970 votes)
44 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) 7.8/10 (79216 votes)
45 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) 7.8/10 (138029 votes)
46 Interstella 5555: The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem (2003) 7.8/10 (2874 votes)
47 X2 (2003) 7.8/10 (81279 votes)
48 Iron Giant, The (1999) 7.8/10 (27906 votes)
49 Holy Mountain, The (1973) 7.8/10 (3312 votes)
50 Abre los ojos (1997) 7.8/10 (16179 votes)
newton
silent running. that was good.
zoktoberfest
Amazing, how a comprehensive listing can jog the old memory. I've seen, and enjoyed most of these movies. The dedicated pocket protector crowd, however, will red flag many or most, for insufficient sci-tech matter.

Basing a theme tightly around the present understanding of technology, or even worse, future projection of such, instantly dates the film in time. How many earlier sci-fi flicks flaunted a (Techtronic) oscilloscope, indicating a simple sine wave, as significant instrumentation for complex space navigation. Ooohh, so state of the art, so high tech, so ridiculous and indicative of nothing pertinent, then, now, or ever.

Sci-tech, at best, can only be the stage, upon which the human condition acts out its' finite options; from a recurring list that Shakespeare helped to define and would instantly recognize.

"Silent Running" was a great movie. In the end, the movie was about Bruce Dern's decision to disobey orders and to save an irreplaceable bio-dome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evrxXEfAzo

I pay little attention to box office and popularity ratings though. Consider whose been in office for 2 terms.

I rest my case.
rethinker
"Houston we have a problem"

Trying to keep up with the list of movies.

Apollo 13 had good suspense and almost seemed like a documentary.

Remember "The shrinking Man"

I'm going to try renting the ones I have not seen,but it add up to about 500 hours of viewing science fiction. It may cause me to not know reality based life, but whats more important? blink.gif
newton
the incredible shrinking man.

nice. spider!, ....big!....

is attack of the killer tomatoes sci-fi?
TheDoc
QUOTE (newton+)
is attack of the killer tomatoes sci-fi?


It's about as sci-fi as your average table lamp.
rethinker
QUOTE (newton+Jun 3 2008, 11:08 PM)
the incredible shrinking man.

nice.  spider!, ....big!....

is attack of the killer tomatoes sci-fi?

I forgot about the spider! That was scarrrrry....... sad.gif

Here is the low ratings of similar things to view.

1st.Watch paint dry on a wall.
2nd. Watch grass grow in your neighbors yard.
3rd.Watch The Killer Tomatoes Movie.
Good Elf
Hey what about Forbidden Planet and This Island Earth?
newton
journey to seventh planet,.....there' a giant brain on uranus turning your thoughts into reality.

oh yeah, i forgot about riders of the storm. loved that flik. it was relevant like network, or wag the dog, or the truman show.

there's a lot of movies i haven't seen on these lists. this island earth one is one i'd like to see. the illustrated man, too.

everything old is new again. yay.

even table lamps were sci-fi before edison came along.




anyone seen the new (free) star trek?

download it for free...http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/episode_cs.html

buttershug
QUOTE (newton+Jun 4 2008, 04:33 PM)
even table lamps were sci-fi before edison came along.

Why do you say Edison?
He only bought the patent.
Well ok he also hired the people who made it commercially viable.
newton
QUOTE (buttershug+Jun 4 2008, 04:38 PM)
Why do you say Edison?
He only bought the patent.
Well ok he also hired the people who made it commercially viable.

sure. that's right.
edison was at the vanguard of corporate intellectual theft and the undermining of the lone (mad) scientist getting rich off his own discovery.

just like marconi and the radio, or any number of others accredited with inventions they 'acquired' rather than invented.

however, it was edison that made the light bulb an everyday, normal household item.

QUOTE
Otis Pond, an engineer then working for Tesla, said, "Looks as if Marconi got the jump on you." Tesla replied, "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents."


how about the army's new 'ray gun'? sci-fi? not anymore. microwave your enemies(the plebeians) at the speed of light from half a mile away. yay!
newton
QUOTE (buttershug+Jun 4 2008, 04:38 PM)
Why do you say Edison?
He only bought the patent.
Well ok he also hired the people who made it commercially viable.

sure. that's right.
edison was at the vanguard of corporate intellectual theft and the undermining of the lone (mad) scientist getting rich off his own discovery.

just like marconi and the radio, or any number of others accredited with inventions they 'acquired' rather than invented.

however, it was edison that made the light bulb an everyday, normal household item.

QUOTE
Otis Pond, an engineer then working for Tesla, said, "Looks as if Marconi got the jump on you." Tesla replied, "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents."


how about the army's new 'ray gun'? sci-fi? not anymore. microwave your enemies(the plebeians) at the speed of light from half a mile away. yay!
buttershug
QUOTE (newton+Jun 5 2008, 12:02 AM)
sure. that's right.
edison was at the vanguard of corporate intellectual theft and the undermining of the lone (mad) scientist getting rich off his own discovery.

however, it was edison that made the light bulb an everyday, normal household item.


How is buying a patent for development from people who didn't have the capital to develope it.
I'm sure he paid Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans fair market value for the patent.
Gorgeous
Has anyone mentioned 'Dark star' yet?



g.
newton
QUOTE (buttershug+Jun 5 2008, 12:07 AM)
How is buying a patent for development from people who didn't have the capital to develope it.
I'm sure he paid Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans fair market value for the patent.

'fair market value'? hard to determine, no?

edison was a fat cat that underpaid less business savvy researchers and inventors for their ideas.
there is no 'fair' reason that tesla, the inventor of AC, die penniless when his invention made a whole industry possible(and, indeed, a whole proliferation of secondary industries that were only possible with AC).
i watched a PBS documentary on a lot of these turn of the century types, and many that are thought to be the 'inventors' were really just developers. many stole ideas. tesla was one of the few who actually invented ANYTHING.

however, this is supposed to be a thread about sci-fi movies, so let's just fugghetaboutit, yeah?
Good Elf
Hi All,

Dark Star was very funny... but dark!! he he he! For a bit of a laugh... The Time Bandits.

I will "bet" you have never seen Kronos?? ... Or Quatermass and the Pit??
DuzmA
1. Star Wars (Ill give this as a general choice to rep the saga).

2. The Matrix (again this is representing the whole trilogy).

3. Blade Runner

4. Forbidden Planet

5. Serenity

6. The Island of Dr. Moreau

7. The Andromeda Strain

8. The Time Machine

9. War of the Worlds

10. Dune

TV Series

1. Battlestar Galactica (the current series. If you haven't seen it its worth watching).

2. Firefly

3. Star Trek the Next Generation

4. The X files

5. Stargate

The movie list was hastily assembled so I undoubtedly omitted something. I was also unsure of ewhether or not things like V for Vendetta qualifies or not.
newton
i've seen quartermass and the pit. it was terrifying!
ancient space bugs from beneath the earth! eeeeeek.

buttershug
Has anyone said "Cold Equations"? It was done as a movie and as a TV episode of something, maybe The Outer Limits.

A funny one that people either love or hate is The Ice Pirates.

An obscure one is Crossworlds.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (DuzmA+Jun 5 2008, 02:27 PM)
The movie list was hastily assembled so I undoubtedly omitted something. I was also unsure of ewhether or not things like V for Vendetta qualifies or not.

"V" initially looked so cheesy to me that I had no interest in seeing it. Then a few months ago I caught it on HBO and after watching it twice I was convinced it was a really good movie.

I'm not sure why. It has tons and tons of obvious allegory and metaphor. So obvious that it is beyond comprehension even. Yet even though with all that I really really liked the movie. Maybe it was the "speeches" that "V" gave or perhaps the great performance by Natalie Portman. Even if her british accent was flawed she was just incredibly believable.

Maybe liking it so much is just a reflection of how much I hate George Bush?

I wouldn't call it Sci-Fi though. But IMDB does list "Sci-Fi" as the second choice on it's Genre designation.
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