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dilatedmuscle
hey guys. i am a 20 yr old from california. i dont study physics. i dont have any special degrees. i meerly graduated from highschool. in fact, i had to go to a continuation school on my junior year to help me graduate. i spend my time either playing videogames, making art, and going to the gym. from what i have told you, you should have already assumed that anything i say comes from someone who does not know verry much about physics so please be constructive and dont just tell me im an idiot because if i am horribly wrong, there is a reason for it.

lately i became curious about the theory of relativity and began looking at youtube for videos of explanations so i think i have a rough idea. those videos lead me to time travel videos. here is a video i saw on youtube, please read my comments bottom to top, my name on youtube is also dilatedmuscle. tell me what you think about the comments i made and pleas post your own thoughts on this board.


since i cannot post a link, you can paste " /watch?v=E2sp-clMk8s " (without the quotations ) after you type youtube(dot)com ........ if im complicating things, just go to youtube, search "Time Travel With Proof" and it should be the first one (bald white guy on it
dilatedmuscle
ok so this video is fake but make comments about the comments i left and what you guys think about the comments i left. sorry i didnt make it clear the first time
MjolnirPants
Well, first off, watching a couple of youtube videos ain't gonna explain relativity to you.
There are plenty of concepts I've never seen in any video, I had to read to find out about em. There's worldlines, the relativity of simultanaety, light cones, closed timelike loops... And then relativity is really just a small part of physics. There's also particle physics, today best described by quantum theories. There's concepts such as color charge, quarks, fermions and bosons that you just don't see them talking about. And all of this is coming from a guy with no formal physics education. An actual physicist would tell you about dozens or hundreds of concepts I didn't even mention here. Did the videos explain chirality? Didn't think so.

Second off, there's no proof in that video. The guy claims he filmed it with a camera phone, yet it's a high quality video. The guy claims he filmed it, yet you can see both of his hands in the video. The old guy's tatoo is as fresh as the young guy's. The sun makes it hard to make out distinguishing features, like the distance between their eyes, or the angles of the triangle formed by the outside of the eyes and the center of the upper lip, things that no amount of makeup can distort. And the narrator said they were gonna ask the physicist about this dude's story, but the physicist didn't say one thing about this guy's story! He just waxed all "poetic" about how relativity doesn't prohibit time travel. And it's true, a wormhole could possibly (odds are about 1 in 10^76, and that's a generous estimate!) open up under your kitchen sink whose other ends is opened into the same spot 20 years down the road. Or maybe the other end opens onto the parade grounds of some castle in medievil europe. More likely, it opens into interplanetary or intersolar space, and your eyes and lungs explode the moment you go through. Oops. blink.gif

The fact of the matter is, when you see something that looks too good to be true, odds are it isn't true. Why didn't the guyhead over to the local library, and pick up the newspaper archives from the couple of days after his trip to prove it? Why didn't he do a little catching up, and then make a ton of money on the stock market, or go the easier route and get the lottery numbers from the next biggest jackpot after his trip forwards in time? I'm the sentimental type who'd get all sorts of choked up if I could see my kid all growed up, and see where I would be 20 years down the road, but you damn well better believe I'd bring back some winning lotto numbers and every copy of the wall street journal, american scientific, popular science, forbes and the new york times I could find, as well as whatever technology I could get my grubby paws on!
"Dude, your iPhone has a 500 terabyte hard drive, a 20 teraflops processor and a direct neural interface! Mine won't even download music off the web..." sad.gif
Sapo
Damnit, Thunder-butt. You have a way of making the most complicated thing seem easy. Good job, newb! laugh.gif
Laidback
QUOTE (Sapo+May 20 2008, 03:08 PM)
Damnit, Thunder-butt. You have a way of making the most complicated thing seem easy. Good job, newb! laugh.gif

Well lookie here, hi there sapo..

That's if your the one and the same dude as in Public debate, err that's The now non existing Australian debating website that is...


if not sorry about slotting you in as someone I have conversed with before..

err~cheers,

Peter J Schoen..



midwestern
You have to travel faster than the speed of light to go back in time.
Laidback
QUOTE (midwestern+May 30 2008, 04:47 AM)
You have to travel faster than the speed of light to go back in time.

Actually that is impossible.. as the available Kinetic energy required is less than what was previously available..

Besides that, "Time" is simply a measure of change, therefore for a mass or your mass to go back in time would require every single velocity throughout the Universe to reverse for the period you wish to go back to bar your mass of course, they all then would need to reverse back again and proceed as per originally, the only problem is the velocities responsible for your mass to be possible will need to be completely changed to else, changing not only the whole Universe but every single event that relied on you and the velocities that make you up and or possible in the first place!

This means in reality everything that happens actually is already predestined to happen!

No seriously! Just think about it via Force and Motion Laws and or Potential and Kinetic Energy concepts.. There is no escaping the fact, what you are about to do is simply following your only REAL option.. In fact:- It was your destiny to read this post and whats more tomorrow will pan out exactly as it should have, even by doing something you think has or will change your destiny, as even your thoughts were already predestined combined with all other actions including my actions pointing out to you, you have no real choice..


Err~CRAP! How can I ever be cheerful again.. sad.gif well Blow me down! no spelling errors on a spell check? biggrin.gif err~ better check again with this sentence.. unsure.gif <spooky> unsure.gif

Err~Goo-bye.

Peter J Schoen..
midwestern
I agree Laidback. I'm simply saying theoretically you could travel in time if this were possible.
Laidback
QUOTE (midwestern+May 31 2008, 06:00 AM)
I agree Laidback.  I'm simply saying theoretically you could travel in time if this were possible.

Yeah, Wouldn't that be so cool! smile.gif Ain't facts sometimes a bit'ch?<sigh> sad.gif

On the Upside my reasoning has the speed of light is dependent on the mass it is propagated through, I am being mindful of the speed of light in a solid compared to the Local Near Vacuum of course.. so if we are to travel forward in time we would need to traverse a medium at the speed of light that is with even less Potential than our local near vacuum, ignoring the fact the speed of light is simply beyond our means, it may be possible to traverse faster than local "c" elsewhere in the Universe, as our galaxy is in part a compressed region of the universe as per the Blue-Shifting core referred to more commonly as a Black-Hole, what I am getting at is if we are in a region of space that is somewhat compressed, and to avoid limiting factors, we would need to traverse where there are less opposing velocities, although to get beyond our Galaxies experienced compression and or opposing velocities may take many light years to achieve in the first place, so I guess that's out as well.. <sigh>

Cheers,

Peter J Schoen...
Gorgeous
There doesn't need to be 'pre-destiny' for everything possible to happen, given that Space is Infinite, thus also 'Eternal'. All possibilities will eventually take place, but not necessarily in any kind of 'logical order/sequence'; only that one event (motion) follows on from another, interconnectedly. The only 'criterior' is that harmonic wave~motions attract.

This is why there is such a thing as 'repetition', in existence.



Cosmological Harmony is not to be confused with the erroneous view of 'harmony' that Humans wish upon 'their' world. Colliding Galaxies are also forms of Cosmological Harmony. It does not always mean 'peace'.



As for 'time travel', it cannot exist, in the 'sci-fi' context. It is not possible to 'travel' faster than instantly, and instantly means 'now'. The other way of looking at it is that 'time' is really Motion of Space (what exists), and 'travelling' with the motion of Space is what all things do Naturally, anyway. Thus, all things are already 'time travelling' at the relative 'speeds' of whatever they currently exist as.



g.
Laidback
QUOTE (Gorgeous+Jun 1 2008, 08:20 AM)
There doesn't need to be 'pre-destiny' for everything possible to happen, given that Space is Infinite, thus also 'Eternal'. All possibilities will eventually take place, but not necessarily in any kind of 'logical order/sequence'; only that one event (motion) follows on from another, interconnected. The only 'criteria' is that harmonic wave~motions attract.

This is why there is such a thing as 'repetition', in existence.

Sorry but I beg to differ,

If one could consider every Potential and or every current force and what it's velocities currently are for the WHOLE Universe, then where each and every trajectory is heading towards, IT WILL end up there, bound by all other velocities that it is to interact with, to which if a velocity is to interact at a given distance with other velocities then it will interact! Even if those velocities are in part responsible for a single decision..

Destiny:- Or as in a scientific and or physicists view point all velocities are bound to what has and is and will be forever!

Even ones thoughts! All of them are a casualty of Force and Motion! And as much as it seems our choices are not under any influence other than our owns - At a very basic level our choices and conclusions and even our capabilities are all the result of past and current events dictated by the current velocities or potentials with momentum to them from throughout our whole Universe.

Everything possible is defined by the past and current trajectories of every single other Velocity that a given velocity is to interact with! Every Sub atomic particle is where it is, simply because of the velocities that are its makeup which all have have been possible via all previous velocities and how they all eventuated..

We cant change it! No matter what we do, because even our thoughts are dependent on the velocities that define our mass that does our thinking processes for us! EVEN the charge and or electrons in our synapses each and every one is where it is bound by the velocities responsible for its makeup, and therefore it must adhere to basic force and Motion laws, and nothing and or anything is NOT able to change a velocities trajectory via violating its binding Laws, so each and every Velocity must simply adhere to its own definition.

I cant stress enough EVERYTHING must adhere to its own representation and or truth statements, so it simply must conform:- As else would void what is possible to which the Universe would simply be impossible..
QUOTE
Cosmological Harmony is not to be confused with the erroneous view of 'harmony' that Humans wish upon 'their' world. Colliding Galaxies are also forms of Cosmological Harmony. It does not always mean 'peace'. 

As for 'time travel', it cannot exist, in the 'sci-fi' context. It is not possible to 'travel' faster than instantly, and instantly means 'now'. The other way of looking at it is that 'time' is really Motion of Space (what exists), and 'travelling' with the motion of Space is what all things do Naturally, anyway. Thus, all things are already 'time travelling' at the relative 'speeds' of whatever they currently exist as.


g.
Agreed..

Err~ cheers,

Peter J Schoen..
midwestern
A rebuff and a catch you were doing the same thing in discussing the impossible Laidback. I'm glad you caught your near error in judgement. So many....keep going on and on in error. mad.gif smile.gif
Precursor562
More towards the video, there is no explanation of how he got back.
Also the person could have been a relative or look-a-like or even some other person with Hollywood quality cosmetics done.

Now the real proof would be in once the guy (of our time) becomes 70 and meets up with his younger self from what would be the past when that time comes, that they get a DNA test done.
Gorgeous
QUOTE
Sorry but I beg to differ,

If one could consider every Potential and or every current force and what it's velocities currently are for the WHOLE Universe, then where each and every trajectory is heading towards, IT WILL end up there, bound by all other velocities that it is to interact with, to which if a velocity is to interact at a given distance with other velocities then it will interact! Even if those velocities are in part responsible for a single decision..

Destiny:- Or as in a scientific and or physicists view point all velocities are bound to what has and is and will be forever!

Even ones thoughts! All of them are a casualty of Force and Motion! And as much as it seems our choices are not under any influence other than our owns - At a very basic level our choices and conclusions and even our capabilities are all the result of past and current events dictated by the current velocities or potentials with momentum to them from throughout our whole Universe.

Everything possible is defined by the past and current trajectories of every single other Velocity that a given velocity is to interact with! Every Sub atomic particle is where it is, simply because of the velocities that are its makeup which all have have been possible via all previous velocities and how they all eventuated..

We cant change it! No matter what we do, because even our thoughts are dependent on the velocities that define our mass that does our thinking processes for us! EVEN the charge and or electrons in our synapses each and every one is where it is bound by the velocities responsible for its makeup, and therefore it must adhere to basic force and Motion laws, and nothing and or anything is NOT able to change a velocities trajectory via violating its binding Laws, so each and every Velocity must simply adhere to its own definition.

I cant stress enough EVERYTHING must adhere to its own representation and or truth statements, so it simply must conform:- As else would void what is possible to which the Universe would simply be impossible..


You are not essentially 'disagreeing', but you are misunderstanding what I have written.

Sometimes collections of Harmonic wave~interactions (Large bodies of 'matter') attract so well that they inadvertantly collide, and cause a random scattering of energy, such as may happen when Galaxies collide. There can be nothing remotely 'predictable' from this. However, ultimately, these energies will re-group via more Naturally Harmonic attractions, but the recycling process does not need to be 'destined' to do this, as it is just the Natural motion of Space. Thus, any 'destiny' is limited to the Natural attraction of harmonic wave~frequencies. We may agree that these are essentially the same thing.



There are many other threads dedicated to the ideas of 'free will' and 'choice'. We may deduce that we have evolved a limited capacity to change our environment via our limited ability to choose. This is a thread that I started on the subject. Feel free to reply to 'choice' on that thread.




g.
Laidback
QUOTE (midwestern+Jun 4 2008, 05:17 AM)
A rebuff and a catch you were doing the same thing in discussing the impossible Laidback.  I'm glad you caught your near error in judgement.  So many....keep going on and on in error.

Near Error? ohmy.gif sounds like I am some sort of pocket of turbulent velocities emanating from all over the place....

OK I will bite, unsure.gif
Could you please elaborate on my NEAR ERROR.. huh.gif

Lets say every single action of the whole Universe was recorded in real time so that we can reverse every single moment by a flick of a switch, so the whole universe is in rewind mode...

And then lets stop it just after my NEAR ERROR, and then lets go over it.. Err~ I await on your destiny

Now can you honestly say it was "MY" error or am I at the mercy of what momentum or higher level of order so happens?

Keep in mind every single motion is only possible via force and motion Laws noting even thoughts can only be assembled with what momentum allows for it..

For instance, A Potential or force can only present its force if it adheres to the laws, so if every single event is the direct result of Force and motion laws then what has thus far occurred has adhered to the Laws, and if everything adheres to the laws then by knowing each and every velocities potential energy and its trajectory we should be able to predict exactly what must happen, as in simulate and or model an actual event! As everything adheres strictly to the laws on force and motion, in fact games and or animation programs are getting better and better as more and more data is applied to the programs.
Oh Crap! I am doing it again..who~key Nuff waffled..<mumble grumble> near error? humph! blink.gif Like as if we have some super free will or something, yeah when pigs fly! biggrin.gif

Note to higher Order, all events are unchangeable, unless the system{Universe} is open to influences beyond its own rules and definitions


Err~ Cheers.

Peter J Schoen
Gorgeous
Limited free-will.

http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=331977




g.
Laidback
QUOTE (Gorgeous+ June 4 2008, 10:04 AM)

You are not essentially 'disagreeing', but you are misunderstanding what I have written.

Sometimes collections of Harmonic wave~interactions (Large bodies of 'matter') attract so well that they inadvertently collide, and cause a random scattering of energy, such as may happen when Galaxies collide. There can be nothing remotely 'predictable' from this. However, ultimately, these energies will re-group via more Naturally Harmonic attractions, but the recycling process does not need to be 'destined' to do this, as it is just the Natural motion of Space. Thus, any 'destiny' is limited to the Natural attraction of harmonic wave~frequencies. We may agree that these are essentially the same thing.



There are many other threads dedicated to the ideas of 'free will' and 'choice'. We may deduce that we have evolved a limited capacity to change our environment via our limited ability to choose. This is a thread that I started on the subject. Feel free to reply to 'choice' on that thread.




g.

I have a problem,

The problem is that I treat attraction as a perception and therefore I am finding it difficult as to how attraction can ever be willy nilly treated as if its some force..

Could you please do me one huge favour and explain to me in as much details what velocities make an attractive force possible..

You see my reasoning has basic Physical Laws and rules don't refer or imply to a force to be attractive, "Repulsive" Yes indeed! But attraction? This is puzzling to me, much like when I first had to consider a magnets field without the knowledge of the fields momentum, once I understood the underlying velocities and or inertia the resulting perception of how a magnet attracts, to me simply doesn't sound right anymore, to me:- Magnets are exerted to each other via repulsive force/s and or said forces momentum and or inertia.

With proper knowledge backing me up that a magnet is NOT actually with a pulling or attractive force, I reason that all physicists and or scientific experts should never refer to this inference of our perception lightly by implying to attraction as a force.. Mass does NOT consist with some magical force of attraction! All mass or it's density is the casualty of the velocities it consists of, And the greater the mass the greater its Potential, and we should consider the Potential Energy is simply a collection of Kinetic energy and Kinetic energy is a potential with momentum to it, as per PE/KE=V, and when two potentials with opposite momentum are presented unto each other their momentum or velocity is cancelled out..

Here is a quick and dirty model that hopefully should point out how kinetic energy is converted to Potential energy..

Let height = Potential energy or we can imply magnitude of density where the greater the magnitude the more solid and or compressed mass presents as.

Let Width = Kinetic energy or a time frame to imply capacity to work.
Let this quoted symbol "-" equal a C^2 of Near Vacuum where we could also imply it has the height of one and width of one. as in a weak potential barely detectable and hence as low as one.

we could also imply we have the energy to do one second of work.

Now
Let this quoted symbol "=" equal a gas, where we could also imply it is a near vacuum that currently is experiencing a Photon.

Lets now define an open system that is capable of doing three seconds of work.

"---" we will note the system is divided into three subsystems each equal to C^2, each has only a potential of one, and you may be wondering how is such a system going to do three seconds of work?

well if we introduce a rise in potential to the left hand side system what we are doing is compressing our system, and by doing so we are introducing opposing velocities.. as in the near vacuums velocities are unknown, what we do know is that via the near vacuums potential we have cancelled our velocities.
anyway if we introduce another velocity.. say from the left..

as in here is our initial system "---" the first instance before any work is done.
And after one second of work has been done, "=-" Note how our whole system has been compressed from three seconds down to two seconds, we should note with this event, kinetic energy has been exchanged to another dimension and if we consider our first subsystem we will note it is double the potential, the near vacuum is now a Photon or a gas simply via compression and or the opposing velocities, where originally the near vacuum was with an implied near zero velocity to the left and the introduced velocity is to the right hand because of these opposing velocities our near vacuum will experience compression and decompression by propagating the excess potential to the right as per original introduced velocity.

"-=" so here is our second moment of work done, in fact the photon has moved at the speed of light just as it should in a near vacuum! we should also note the simple wave form that my model suggests.
"---" and here is our final moment, where we note all energy is converted back to its original state and importantly we have our original three seconds of work again or we have our original Potential again, satisfying all basic Force and motion laws and whats more I have explained how Force and Potential are the one and the same as well as how kinetic energy implies to Motion..

I would kindly like to point out Gravities exertions should be treated much the same way as my above statements, despite the experts reverting to a layman's point of view, even though they should know what they do is completely wrong should they ever care to refer to their University material and or text books..

Therefore mass - "Any" mass including a "NEAR Vacuum" should always be considered via the opposing velocities that make it up..

So when you refer to two large masses perceived as being attracted to each other then one should first imagine how the two masses are possible in the first place via considering the two masses via all of their respective opposing velocities and then considering in between the two masses the short lengths of time of lacking opposing velocities which eventuated by the other masses creation or momentum in said paths of compression to which is what results with the two bodies with momentum to each other - simply via each of the masses opposing velocities lacking momentarily in-between them..

So as physicists, Lets loose the reference to attraction which implies that some magical force is possible, I mean just because NASA'S Experts are centuries behind doesn't mean we all have to remain behind as well!

To which if any of NASA'S Researchers are reading this then I challenge them to explain in great length and detail as to how an attractive force may be possible..
And I am willing to wage my years income that they will end up agreeing with me that attraction is a perception resulting from the result of previous repulsions and not really via a single magical and or unexplainable force!

Cheers,

Peter J Schoen..
Laidback
QUOTE (Gorgeous+Jun 4 2008, 10:29 AM)
Limited free-will.

http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=331977




g.

Exactly.

Cheers,

Peter J Schoen..
mott.carl
the time travel violate the conservation of energy.therefore the reversion of T is not symmetric.then appear a pseudoscalar entity( spinors) that is time and energy
simultaneouly,that dtermine one time arrow with infinites arrows of time linked to
the asymmetry of left-right handed spinors.
mott.carl
the time travel violate the conservation of energy.therefore the reversion of T is not symmetric.then appear a pseudoscalar entity( spinors) that is time and energy
simultaneouly,that dtermine one time arrow with infinites arrows of time linked to
the asymmetry of left-right handed spinors.
Gorgeous
QUOTE (Laidback+Jun 4 2008, 03:07 AM)
I have a problem,

The problem is that I treat attraction as a perception and therefore I am finding it difficult as to how attraction can ever be willy nilly treated as if its some force..

Could you please do me one huge favour and explain to me in as much details what velocities make an attractive force possible..

You see my reasoning has basic Physical Laws and rules don't refer or imply to a force to be attractive, "Repulsive" Yes indeed! But attraction? This is puzzling to me, much like when I first had to consider a magnets field without the knowledge of the fields momentum, once I understood the underlying velocities and or inertia the resulting perception of how a magnet attracts, to me simply doesn't sound right anymore, to me:- Magnets are exerted to each other via repulsive force/s and or said forces momentum and or inertia.

With proper knowledge backing me up that a magnet is NOT actually with a pulling or attractive force, I reason that all physicists and or scientific experts should never refer to this inference of our perception lightly by implying to attraction as a force.. Mass does NOT consist with some magical force of attraction! All mass or it's density is the casualty of the velocities it consists of, And the greater the mass the greater its Potential, and we should consider the Potential Energy is simply a collection of Kinetic energy and Kinetic energy is a potential with momentum to it, as per PE/KE=V, and when two potentials with opposite momentum are presented unto each other their momentum or velocity is cancelled out..

Here is a quick and dirty model that hopefully should point out how kinetic energy is converted to Potential energy..

Let height = Potential energy or we can imply magnitude of density where the greater the magnitude the more solid and or compressed mass presents as.

Let Width = Kinetic energy or a time frame to imply capacity to work.
Let this quoted symbol "-" equal a C^2 of Near Vacuum where we could also imply it has the height of one and width of one. as in a weak potential barely detectable and hence as low as one.

we could also imply we have the energy to do one second of work.

Now
Let this quoted symbol "=" equal a gas, where we could also imply it is a near vacuum that currently is experiencing a Photon.

Lets now define an open system that is capable of doing three seconds of work.

"---" we will note the system is divided into three subsystems each equal to C^2, each has only a potential of one, and you may be wondering how is such a system going to do three seconds of work?

well if we introduce a rise in potential to the left hand side system what we are doing is compressing our system, and by doing so we are introducing opposing velocities.. as in the near vacuums velocities are unknown, what we do know is that via the near vacuums potential we have cancelled our velocities.
anyway if we introduce another velocity.. say from the left..

as in here is our initial system "---" the first instance before any work is done.
And after one second of work has been done, "=-" Note how our whole system has been compressed from three seconds down to two seconds, we should note with this event, kinetic energy has been exchanged to another dimension and if we consider our first subsystem we will note it is double the potential, the near vacuum is now a Photon or a gas simply via compression and or the opposing velocities, where originally the near vacuum was with an implied near zero velocity to the left and the introduced velocity is to the right hand because of these opposing velocities our near vacuum will experience compression and decompression by propagating the excess potential to the right as per original introduced velocity.

"-=" so here is our second moment of work done, in fact the photon has moved at the speed of light just as it should in a near vacuum! we should also note the simple wave form that my model suggests.
"---" and here is our final moment, where we note all energy is converted back to its original state and importantly we have our original three seconds of work again or we have our original Potential again, satisfying all basic Force and motion laws and whats more I have explained how Force and Potential are the one and the same as well as how kinetic energy implies to Motion..

I would kindly like to point out Gravities exertions should be treated much the same way as my above statements, despite the experts reverting to a layman's point of view, even though they should know what they do is completely wrong should they ever care to refer to their University material and or text books..

Therefore mass - "Any" mass including a "NEAR Vacuum" should always be considered via the opposing velocities that make it up..

So when you refer to two large masses perceived as being attracted to each other then one should first imagine how the two masses are possible in the first place via considering the two masses via all of their respective opposing velocities and then considering in between the two masses the short lengths of time of lacking opposing velocities which eventuated by the other masses creation or momentum in said paths of compression to which is what results with the two bodies with momentum to each other - simply via each of the masses opposing velocities lacking momentarily in-between them..

So as physicists, Lets loose the reference to attraction which implies that some magical force is possible, I mean just because NASA'S Experts are centuries behind doesn't mean we all have to remain behind as well!

To which if any of NASA'S Researchers are reading this then I challenge them to explain in great length and detail as to how an attractive force may be possible..
And I am willing to wage my years income that they will end up agreeing with me that attraction is a perception resulting from the result of previous repulsions and not really via a single magical and or unexplainable force!

Cheers,

Peter J Schoen..

I have no idea why you should choose to refer to 'magical forces'. You must be correct...you DO have a problem! I might suggest that using this kind of terminology has something to do with it. wink.gif

Do you consider 'Gravity' a 'magical force'?



http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-Real...ght-Gravity.htm




g.
midwestern
Laidback, lay back and relax! biggrin.gif The Laws are set forth in motion without the ability to read what is to come. You might as well rest. laugh.gif
amrit
time travel is purest nonsense
universe is atemporal
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