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yor_on
Inside a black hole space will be dilated as well as time.
For time as seen from the observer it will slow down
From each object inside the event horizon though time will be 'as always' right.

Space obeys the dilation too.
Seen from the inside the space may be light years
but from the outside it will seem 'normal'
(ahh, whatever that is:)

So we have two effects that seems opposite here.
inside time as always (internally)
but space is increased (light years)..

Outside observer says that inside that black hole
Tme is slowed down
But its size is measurable and not even a light second.

(1) So when you travel around it as if measured from a observer inside that black hole what would he see? FTL??

Am I right?
And if so.

(2) How exactly does space increase? Why?

And this?
" Imagine a particle with an electric charge outside the distortion (black hole). ‘A’ measures a certain electric field strength at a radius ‘r’ from the electric charge, then sends it to the mass at the center of the distortion.

What ‘A’ measures as a radius ‘r’ from the charge is now seen by the charge to be greater than ‘r’, so ‘A’’s perception is that the electric field has been reduced by the square of this change in ‘r’, and thinks that the charge has been reduced. "

(3) Which to me seem to say that light should be red shifted inside a gravity well?
As seen from the observer...

Any one?

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In reality as far as i understand Light going in is blue-shifted since it increases in energy. and Light leaving is red-shifted.

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(4) Will the 'outside' observer notice any blue shift or will the light inside the event horizon instead seem to stand 'stand still' ?

(5) And if the space inside distorts then it might take a universes time (as seen internally) for anything to reach the 'core' of a black hole?
prometheus
QUOTE (yor_on+Apr 14 2008, 07:49 PM)
Inside a black hole space will be dilated as well as time.
For time as seen from the observer it will slow down
From each object inside the event horizon though time will be 'as always' right.

Space obeys the dilation too.
Seen from the inside the space may be light years
but from the outside it will seem 'normal'
(ahh, whatever that is:)

So we have two effects that seems opposite here.
inside time as always (internally)
but space is increased (light years)..

Outside observer says that inside that black hole
Tme is slowed down
But its size is measurable and not even a light second.

I don't mean to be rude but the first few lines of your post are complete scrambled egg. Space "dilation" as you call it is just curving of space which happens all over the place. I recomend you have a look at the wiki page for black holes (this page) and then I can recommend some more detailed sources once you've got the jist of that.
yor_on
Thanks prometheus for your prompt answer :)
This is what I'm wondering about.
see here
And Yeah that thought about 'time as usual' internally no matter your time_frame is my own..
So please read the page and then tell me where I got it wrong

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Ahh, the questions too :)
Was my own I mean..

They may seem stupid but I'm still curios
But all the same, thanks for your link
Black hole huh :)
doom3million
Once you pass the event horizon it isn't like passing through a shell and into an area of space where you can continue to observe things, certainly not if you look towards the black hole... but there would probably be some form of interference preventing you from observing outwards too? So then does the term "inside observer" have any real meaning?
prometheus
QUOTE (doom3million+Apr 16 2008, 12:09 AM)
Once you pass the event horizon it isn't like passing through a shell and into an area of space where you can continue to observe things, certainly not if you look towards the black hole... but there would probably be some form of interference preventing you from observing outwards too? So then does the term "inside observer" have any real meaning?

An observer inside a black hole can see out, there's nothing to stop light signals going in, it's just people outside the horizon can't see in.
yor_on
Maybe 'he' could see out, but what would 'he' see. The light moving in any frame will obey gravity as well as the frames time, that we say that it's timeless is a internal 'time_frame' referring to its ability to remain unchanged while traveling in space time.

But gravity should increase as light 'moves' inside that blackhole and with increased gravity you will have changed time.
Now that 'changed' time will only be noticeable when compared to a outside observer as I see it, but then again.
Isn't 'he' too an 'outside' observer even if inside that black hole as there will be different time_frames there too.

So as light always moves at 'c' no matter :) the environment it will do so here too, but as it also adapts to the 'external' timeframe its traveling in ( meaning gravity here :)
Will that first light then, as seen from that observer inside the black hole, 'slow down' in time as it goes through a constantly 'thicker' gravity and so take an infinite time reaching that observer/core?

Will there be any outside left to observe when that first light meets 'his' eye.
Before you tell me that i'm bicycling in the blue younder here use your imagination and be the 'observer' of that first light moving in...

Also if space internally in a Black hole becomes 'limitless' then how will that light ever reach any core.
Black holes Huh :)

Gotta love them...
And the headache :)
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