Alphanumeric speaks of Steven A...
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Is this anything other than the conduct of a bully?
Let's talk about "disgusting"...
How DARE you, Alphanumeric.
Best,
Raphie
Steven A is the defenition of "disgusting" 
!
- Gehn
!- Gehn
StevenA is unformed Gehn, and sometimes a bit "dumb," as I too am. but to suggest even euphemistically the extinguishment of a "gene pool" is utterly beyond the pale and I will simply not tolerate it.
It crosses the line.
Best,
Raphie
It crosses the line.
Best,
Raphie
In reference to the mathematical issue, who was right?
To me it does not matter, Derek 1148. Almost certainly, at least by conventional wisdom, by what I know, Steven A was incorrect. It does not merit, however, such absolutely horrific personal slander.
Best,
Raphie
(/edit) In my opinion, StevenA is trying his darndest to "innovate." and, as a society, we very much need to enfranchise, not torpedo those who will take intellectual risks.
Best,
Raphie
(/edit) In my opinion, StevenA is trying his darndest to "innovate." and, as a society, we very much need to enfranchise, not torpedo those who will take intellectual risks.
I understand what you’re saying. But individual styles of communication differ. And this is a relatively anonymous forum. So what difference does it make?
It is one thing for Alphanumeric to lose his temper with Steven - and I am not defending what he said - but it is altogether more worrying to see the comment being defended ( implicitly) by Derek , on the basis that AN got the math right. Are we going to subordinate decent behaviour to mathematical prowess ?
edward
edward
QUOTE (Edward 3+Apr 1 2008, 09:07 AM)
It is one thing for Alphanumeric to lose his temper with Steven - and I am not defending what he said - but it is altogether more worrying to see the comment being defended ( implicitly) by Derek , on the basis that AN got the math right. Are we going to subordinate decent behaviour to mathematical prowess ?
edward
I suppose if I had to choose between scientific advancement and politeness, I’d choose scientific advancement.
edward
I suppose if I had to choose between scientific advancement and politeness, I’d choose scientific advancement.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 1 2008, 09:05 AM)
I understand what you’re saying. But individual styles of communication differ. And this is a relatively anonymous forum. So what difference does it make?
You make a good point, Derek, as always. I would simply counter that the "anonymity" you speak of is not such a good thing when multiplied to the nth degree. In an increasingly digitized society, it cedes -- IMHO -- the "normative" standard of basic decency to the mob mentality.
Best,
Raphie
(/edit) What if StevenA were going by his actual full name? Would it make a difference? Does acceptance of such "faceless violence" not perhaps increase the trend towards anonymity? If so, is this over the long haul something we may consider a particularly good thing?
You make a good point, Derek, as always. I would simply counter that the "anonymity" you speak of is not such a good thing when multiplied to the nth degree. In an increasingly digitized society, it cedes -- IMHO -- the "normative" standard of basic decency to the mob mentality.
Best,
Raphie
(/edit) What if StevenA were going by his actual full name? Would it make a difference? Does acceptance of such "faceless violence" not perhaps increase the trend towards anonymity? If so, is this over the long haul something we may consider a particularly good thing?
Derek,
I see no reason why the two need to be mutually exclusive. And, what would be our gain from scientific advances if we had lost all respect for each other? Probably serious misuse of science to the detriment of humanity.
regards
edward
I see no reason why the two need to be mutually exclusive. And, what would be our gain from scientific advances if we had lost all respect for each other? Probably serious misuse of science to the detriment of humanity.
regards
edward
I imagine that those who find it difficult to empathize with AlphaNumeric are those that are unable to judge the level of StevenA's dishonesty. I'd go as far as to say he's a pathological liar, and not too bright with it either...
QUOTE (Edward 3+Apr 1 2008, 09:15 AM)
Derek,
I see no reason why the two need to be mutually exclusive. And, what would be our gain from scientific advances if we had lost all respect for each other? Probably serious misuse of science to the detriment of humanity.
regards
edward
That sounds like something I heard from supporters of the peace movement in college. (Most were fans of Che Guevara.) But in answer to your question, no. Scientific advances are far more important.
I see no reason why the two need to be mutually exclusive. And, what would be our gain from scientific advances if we had lost all respect for each other? Probably serious misuse of science to the detriment of humanity.
regards
edward
That sounds like something I heard from supporters of the peace movement in college. (Most were fans of Che Guevara.) But in answer to your question, no. Scientific advances are far more important.
AN ASIDE:
It is preciselyIMHO because AN is clearly well-possessed of an immense intellect that I believe he has a bit of a moral obligation to use his intellect wisely. I wish to be fair here...
Best,
Raphie
It is preciselyIMHO because AN is clearly well-possessed of an immense intellect that I believe he has a bit of a moral obligation to use his intellect wisely. I wish to be fair here...
Best,
Raphie
Derek,
Not sure what you are saying here. Is it that anything that emanates from the peace movement is, by definition, invalid? As for Che, well there are always times when, unfortunately, resort to armed conflict is a necessary evil - and the Central and South America of his time certainly qualifies. I see no inconsistency in condemning modern terrorism and supporting what would have been deemed to be terrorism at some time in our history - I mean, the Brits thought that Washington and his lot were terrorists.
regards
edward
Not sure what you are saying here. Is it that anything that emanates from the peace movement is, by definition, invalid? As for Che, well there are always times when, unfortunately, resort to armed conflict is a necessary evil - and the Central and South America of his time certainly qualifies. I see no inconsistency in condemning modern terrorism and supporting what would have been deemed to be terrorism at some time in our history - I mean, the Brits thought that Washington and his lot were terrorists.
regards
edward
So the verdict should be?
Fu* them as they do not know what they are saying :)
And everything goes in the name of science?
As what was his name?
That guy who thought that the earth went around the sun.
That was also one unscientific son of a gun :)
Then...
Loyola and the Jesuit school anyone.
Perhaps a inquisition waiting somewhere too.
Sh* how old are you guys?
Thirteen??
Fu* them as they do not know what they are saying :)
And everything goes in the name of science?
As what was his name?
That guy who thought that the earth went around the sun.
That was also one unscientific son of a gun :)
Then...
Loyola and the Jesuit school anyone.
Perhaps a inquisition waiting somewhere too.
Sh* how old are you guys?
Thirteen??
sticks and stones
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 1 2008, 08:36 AM)
Alphanumeric speaks of Steven A...
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Is this anything other than the conduct of a bully?
Let's talk about "disgusting"...
How DARE you, Alphanumeric.
Best,
Raphie
Alphanumeric's response is excessive, arrogant and totally uncalled for. I would get really "pissed off" if someone insulted my kid like that.
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Is this anything other than the conduct of a bully?
Let's talk about "disgusting"...
How DARE you, Alphanumeric.
Best,
Raphie
Alphanumeric's response is excessive, arrogant and totally uncalled for. I would get really "pissed off" if someone insulted my kid like that.
Jesus Christ, if one is not tough enough to take a few harsh words, what is he going to do when someone actually tries to hurt him? The world is a tough place. And if one can learn a lesson and survive with nothing more than hurt feelings, he should consider himself fortunate.
QUOTE (Derek1148+)
In reference to the mathematical issue, who was right?
Irrelevant. Having knowledge does not give you the right to insult others.
Irrelevant. Having knowledge does not give you the right to insult others.
QUOTE (Derek1148+)
I understand what you’re saying. But individual styles of communication differ. And this is a relatively anonymous forum. So what difference does it make?
What difference does anything make? No point getting philosophical about it.
The question here is, Does someone have the right to insult if they have knowledge?
What difference does anything make? No point getting philosophical about it.
The question here is, Does someone have the right to insult if they have knowledge?
QUOTE (Derek1148+)
I suppose if I had to choose between scientific advancement and politeness, I’d choose scientific advancement.
Why does it have to be a choice? Why can't we have both? Oh I know...because I am so damn unrealistic?
Why does it have to be a choice? Why can't we have both? Oh I know...because I am so damn unrealistic?
QUOTE (Euler+)
I imagine that those who find it difficult to empathize with AlphaNumeric are those that are unable to judge the level of StevenA's dishonesty. I'd go as far as to say he's a pathological liar, and not too bright with it either...
Empathize with Alphanumeric? For what, having to put up with StevenA? Nobody forced him to. He can choose to ignore.
Empathize with Alphanumeric? For what, having to put up with StevenA? Nobody forced him to. He can choose to ignore.
QUOTE (Derek1148+)
That sounds like something I heard from supporters of the peace movement in college. (Most were fans of Che Guevara.) But in answer to your question, no. Scientific advances are far more important.
Yes, associate this with peace movement and Che Guevara to make others look stupid.
Yes, associate this with peace movement and Che Guevara to make others look stupid.
Are you an apologist for mathematical ineptitude?
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 1 2008, 03:17 PM)
Jesus Christ, if one is not tough enough to take a few harsh words, what is he going to do when someone actually tries to hurt him? The world is a tough place. And if one can learn a lesson and survive with nothing more than hurt feelings, he should consider himself fortunate.
Fight back. Thats what this thread is about.
Edit: Taking harsh words from someone without fighting back is not being tough. Its called being a Wuss.
Fight back. Thats what this thread is about.
Edit: Taking harsh words from someone without fighting back is not being tough. Its called being a Wuss.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 1 2008, 03:22 PM)
Are you an apologist for mathematical ineptitude?
As I said, mathematical aptitude is irrelevant to this discussion. It seems you are unable to grasp this.
As I said, mathematical aptitude is irrelevant to this discussion. It seems you are unable to grasp this.
Were the words directed at you? Or are you just being a hero? Like I told you previously, before picking up a cause have some knowledge of the issues.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 1 2008, 03:33 PM)
Were the words directed at you? Or are you just being a hero? Like I told you previously, before picking up a cause have some knowledge of the issues.
Where did I say it was directed at me? I am as outraged as anyone else.
....and keep implying that you are somehow "wiser" with "knowledge of issues" without substantiating it.
Where did I say it was directed at me? I am as outraged as anyone else.
....and keep implying that you are somehow "wiser" with "knowledge of issues" without substantiating it.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 03:18 PM)
Empathize with Alphanumeric? For what, having to put up with StevenA?
If you are a deaf person, you are less likely to be irritated by death metal booming out at 3am. StevenA lies, a lot. Sadly, this isn't obvious unless you understand the wiki articles he so frequently refers to.
If you are a deaf person, you are less likely to be irritated by death metal booming out at 3am. StevenA lies, a lot. Sadly, this isn't obvious unless you understand the wiki articles he so frequently refers to.
Whoever hurled the first insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization.
And sickening. That is a side of 'humanity' that I'll never understand. For God's sakes, I'm shaking. 
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 1 2008, 05:06 PM)
If you are a deaf person, you are less likely to be irritated by death metal booming out at 3am. StevenA lies, a lot. Sadly, this isn't obvious unless you understand the wiki articles he so frequently refers to.
You are equating an involuntary action (having to listen to death metal) with a voluntary action (visiting the .9r thread and reading StevenA's posts).
You are equating an involuntary action (having to listen to death metal) with a voluntary action (visiting the .9r thread and reading StevenA's posts).
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 1 2008, 08:36 AM)
Alphanumeric speaks of Steven A...
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Is this anything other than the conduct of a bully?
Let's talk about "disgusting"...
How DARE you, Alphanumeric.
Best,
Raphie
He's invested a lot of time and energy to propogating his views (he claims he teaches) and has emotional attachments to them and finds it difficult to resolve flaws that would alter them. It's difficult to someone to find their favorite baby blanket wearing thin, but it will obviously happen if it's not stitched up well and made from strong material. It's repairable but he needs to learn to sew.
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Is this anything other than the conduct of a bully?
Let's talk about "disgusting"...
How DARE you, Alphanumeric.
Best,
Raphie
He's invested a lot of time and energy to propogating his views (he claims he teaches) and has emotional attachments to them and finds it difficult to resolve flaws that would alter them. It's difficult to someone to find their favorite baby blanket wearing thin, but it will obviously happen if it's not stitched up well and made from strong material. It's repairable but he needs to learn to sew.
Y'all go look at that 0.9r=1 thread. Wikipedia has an article claiming that Alpha's right, and has a whole buttload of references to back it up. Steve here claims he's proven all them mathematicians wrong.
Seems to me that if you're gonna go around claiming to be the best there is, but you keep getting proved wrong, and never stop tooting your own horn, that you're asking for all kinds of abuse, and you ain't got no right to complain when you get it.
Seems to me that if you're gonna go around claiming to be the best there is, but you keep getting proved wrong, and never stop tooting your own horn, that you're asking for all kinds of abuse, and you ain't got no right to complain when you get it.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 06:00 PM)
You are equating an involuntary action (having to listen to death metal) with a voluntary action (visiting the .9r thread and reading StevenA's posts).
I think you'll find those who are unlucky enough to hear the music are not forced to complain. However, this is straying from the point! As I've mentioned, StevenA is a pathological liar, and not a bright one at that. If you don't realize he's lying (i.e not understand the material he's babbling about) then I imagine it's very hard to see why AlphaNumeric would get wound up.
The fact that AlphaNumeric spends time revealing he's a fraud is a good thing: StevenA would happily project his misunderstandings onto others, if he thought it projected an image of someone who knows what they're on about. Very sad, but true...
I think you'll find those who are unlucky enough to hear the music are not forced to complain. However, this is straying from the point! As I've mentioned, StevenA is a pathological liar, and not a bright one at that. If you don't realize he's lying (i.e not understand the material he's babbling about) then I imagine it's very hard to see why AlphaNumeric would get wound up.
The fact that AlphaNumeric spends time revealing he's a fraud is a good thing: StevenA would happily project his misunderstandings onto others, if he thought it projected an image of someone who knows what they're on about. Very sad, but true...
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 1 2008, 06:14 PM)
The fact that AlphaNumeric spends time revealing he's a fraud is a good thing: StevenA would happily project his misunderstandings onto others, if he thought it projected an image of someone who knows what they're on about. Very sad, but true...
If Alphanumeric has been able to prove .9r =1 conclusively, that should be good enough for others.
Don't get me wrong, I am not denying Alphanumeric's good contribution to this forum.
If Alphanumeric has been able to prove .9r =1 conclusively, that should be good enough for others.
Don't get me wrong, I am not denying Alphanumeric's good contribution to this forum.
Interesting Dawkins vid on the relativity of morals...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9JMUFIVqE&feature=related
g.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9JMUFIVqE&feature=related
g.
QUOTE (yor_on+Apr 1 2008, 01:42 PM)
gmilam You must be a first class *** comparing like that.
What are you gonna do next time people behave sh*tty
Gonna prove how relatively innocent it is by showing us concentration camps?
F* you man, both for that and F* you double for using that innocent girl to win a point in a physics discussion about (N)etiquette .
Anyone else who wanna use that kind of sh*
If so it just shows how low this forum is starting to get.
I am sorry that you were offended. But that, to me, fits the defintion of disgusting.
Compared to THAT, I find the insult "outrage" a bit lame. They are words on an internet forum. Nothing more.
What are you gonna do next time people behave sh*tty
Gonna prove how relatively innocent it is by showing us concentration camps?
F* you man, both for that and F* you double for using that innocent girl to win a point in a physics discussion about (N)etiquette .
Anyone else who wanna use that kind of sh*
If so it just shows how low this forum is starting to get.
I am sorry that you were offended. But that, to me, fits the defintion of disgusting.
Compared to THAT, I find the insult "outrage" a bit lame. They are words on an internet forum. Nothing more.
Hi Raphie (see I finally got it right!)
You are so correct! I won't even take the time to read the rest of the thread, it is always the same. Yes, people definitely cross the line all the time here. Unfortunately, the moderators don't seem to care about what goes on here. I have complained many times that people should be more tolerant, but with the painfully wide range of personalities and education level here, where do you draw the line? Sometimes I completely agree with these guys, sometimes I just shake my head and leave. Sometimes I still complain, but it does nothing. I just don't come here very much anymore, the level of maturity is at times appalling.
And knowing the history of threads like this, I am sure maturity is severely lacking and insults are flying all ready. Boys will be boys........... This forum used to be a really cool place. But nowadays, it is a sandbox that kids are playing in. And the cats like it too
You are so correct! I won't even take the time to read the rest of the thread, it is always the same. Yes, people definitely cross the line all the time here. Unfortunately, the moderators don't seem to care about what goes on here. I have complained many times that people should be more tolerant, but with the painfully wide range of personalities and education level here, where do you draw the line? Sometimes I completely agree with these guys, sometimes I just shake my head and leave. Sometimes I still complain, but it does nothing. I just don't come here very much anymore, the level of maturity is at times appalling.
And knowing the history of threads like this, I am sure maturity is severely lacking and insults are flying all ready. Boys will be boys........... This forum used to be a really cool place. But nowadays, it is a sandbox that kids are playing in. And the cats like it too
gmilam I don't know who you are, you might even be a girl.
But the only way I would excuse you that link would be if you were an alien.
Something without compassion lacking of ethics..
You are so right
You succeeded in Pi**ng me off.
And if you don't get why?
...
But the only way I would excuse you that link would be if you were an alien.
Something without compassion lacking of ethics..
You are so right
You succeeded in Pi**ng me off.
And if you don't get why?
...
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 06:43 PM)
If Alphanumeric has been able to prove .9r =1 conclusively, that should be good enough for others.
And for those that don't understand the proofs (basic though they may be)?
StevenA will continually attempt to remove someones credibility by making out he knows a lot about the given subject in hand. He has proven, time and time again, that his level of knowledge and understanding is stupendously low: but he is willing to discredit others in an attempt to promote the make-believe character he wants to be.
In addition: I don't think StevenA minds what kind of attention he receives: good or bad. I imagine even though the net effect of his conversations with AlphaNumeric indicates he's an idiot, he's happy enough to be involved in a conversation in which he can pretend to know about things.
And for those that don't understand the proofs (basic though they may be)?
StevenA will continually attempt to remove someones credibility by making out he knows a lot about the given subject in hand. He has proven, time and time again, that his level of knowledge and understanding is stupendously low: but he is willing to discredit others in an attempt to promote the make-believe character he wants to be.
In addition: I don't think StevenA minds what kind of attention he receives: good or bad. I imagine even though the net effect of his conversations with AlphaNumeric indicates he's an idiot, he's happy enough to be involved in a conversation in which he can pretend to know about things.
QUOTE (Euler+)
And for those that don't understand the proofs (basic though they may be)?
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof? Certainly not words. So any amount of arguing beyond this doesn't help.
So if someone doesn't understand the proof, too bad.
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof? Certainly not words. So any amount of arguing beyond this doesn't help.
So if someone doesn't understand the proof, too bad.
QUOTE (yor_on+Apr 1 2008, 03:21 PM)
gmilam I don't know who you are, you might even be a girl.
But the only way I would excuse you that link would be if you were an alien.
Something without compassion lacking of ethics..
You are so right
You succeeded in Pi**ng me off.
And if you don't get why?
...
That's true, you don't know me at all.
I don't know about you, but I think stuff like that should be held up to the light for all to see. People need to realize that there are monsters like that out there.
They need to get outraged about important stuff, not some stupid name calling on the internet.
But the only way I would excuse you that link would be if you were an alien.
Something without compassion lacking of ethics..
You are so right
You succeeded in Pi**ng me off.
And if you don't get why?
...
That's true, you don't know me at all.
I don't know about you, but I think stuff like that should be held up to the light for all to see. People need to realize that there are monsters like that out there.
They need to get outraged about important stuff, not some stupid name calling on the internet.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 09:26 PM)
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof?
Here is a mathematical proof. Do you find it clear?
Here is a mathematical proof. Do you find it clear?
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 1 2008, 09:33 PM)
Here is a mathematical proof. Do you find it clear?
No. You explaining it in words won't make it clearer either.
No. You explaining it in words won't make it clearer either.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 09:42 PM)
No.
Weird: you just said:
Weird: you just said:
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 09:26 PM)
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof?
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 1 2008, 09:44 PM)
Weird: you just said:
Yes. That holds true.
If you someone doesn't understand a mathematical proof, discussing it in words won't help. Words are not clearer than formulae.
Yes. That holds true.
If you someone doesn't understand a mathematical proof, discussing it in words won't help. Words are not clearer than formulae.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 09:46 PM)
Yes. That holds true.
If you someone doesn't understand a mathematical proof, discussing it in words won't help. Words are not clearer than formulae.
So now you're retracting your initial statement? You claimed that if AlphaNumeric had proved 1=0.9r, then all should be well because:
What can be clearer than a mathematical proof?
We have just shown this is not the case...
If you someone doesn't understand a mathematical proof, discussing it in words won't help. Words are not clearer than formulae.
So now you're retracting your initial statement? You claimed that if AlphaNumeric had proved 1=0.9r, then all should be well because:
What can be clearer than a mathematical proof?
We have just shown this is not the case...
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 1 2008, 09:49 PM)
So now you're retracting your initial statement? You claimed that if AlphaNumeric had proved 1=0.9r, then all should be well because:
What can be clearer than a mathematical proof?
We have just shown this is not the case...
I said the following
What can be clearer than a mathematical proof?
We have just shown this is not the case...
I said the following
QUOTE (vkamath+)
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof? Certainly not words.
So if someone doesn't understand your proof, then no amount of arguing will help. It won't make it any more clearer.
You showed me a proof. I did not understand it. If now you were to explain it to me using words would make it only more difficult for me to understand.
You can't prove math theorems without math.
So if someone doesn't understand your proof, then no amount of arguing will help. It won't make it any more clearer.
You showed me a proof. I did not understand it. If now you were to explain it to me using words would make it only more difficult for me to understand.
You can't prove math theorems without math.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 09:57 PM)
I said the following
QUOTE (vkamath+)
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof? Certainly not words.
So you still said:
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof?
Which we've just confirmed is a silly statement: mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear.
So you still said:
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof?
Which we've just confirmed is a silly statement: mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear.
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 1 2008, 10:00 PM)
[/QUOTE]
So you still said:
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof?
Which we've just confirmed is a silly statement: mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear.
You misunderstood what I said.
I agree, mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear. But putting it in words won't make it any clearer. No amount of bickering or explaining will help.
Either someone gets the proof or they don't.
So you still said:
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof?
Which we've just confirmed is a silly statement: mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear.
You misunderstood what I said.
I agree, mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear. But putting it in words won't make it any clearer. No amount of bickering or explaining will help.
Either someone gets the proof or they don't.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 10:04 PM)
I agree, mathematical proofs are not necessarily clear. But putting it in words won't make it any clearer. No amount of bickering or explaining will help.
So now we've established that providing a mathematical proof to a true statement is enough to convince the general reader.
So I shall ask again: what about these people? These are the group StevenA relies upon: he will attempt to discredit others in a hope that a collection of un-knowing people will believe that he is the person who knows about the subject in hand.
Who's the bad person: StevenA for attempting to discredit people well versed in a given subject, at the same time attempting to deceive a group of people who are simply interested in the relevant science. Or AlphaNumeric: for exposing him as a liar and an idiot...
So now we've established that providing a mathematical proof to a true statement is enough to convince the general reader.
So I shall ask again: what about these people? These are the group StevenA relies upon: he will attempt to discredit others in a hope that a collection of un-knowing people will believe that he is the person who knows about the subject in hand.
Who's the bad person: StevenA for attempting to discredit people well versed in a given subject, at the same time attempting to deceive a group of people who are simply interested in the relevant science. Or AlphaNumeric: for exposing him as a liar and an idiot...
QUOTE (Euler+)
So I shall ask again: what about these people? These are the group StevenA relies upon: he will attempt to discredit others in a hope that a collection of un-knowing people will believe that he is the person who knows about the subject in hand.
If you have proved this conclusively in the best language possible, that is the language of maths, you simply cannot better that. If someone doesn't understand your proof, then they have no option but to rely on faith. Who would they rather believe?
If you have proved this conclusively in the best language possible, that is the language of maths, you simply cannot better that. If someone doesn't understand your proof, then they have no option but to rely on faith. Who would they rather believe?
QUOTE (Euler+)
Who's the bad person: StevenA for attempting to discredit people well versed in a given subject, at the same time attempting to deceive a group of people who are simply interested in the relevant science. Or AlphaNumeric: for exposing him as a liar and an idiot...
Who's the bad person???
Perhaps I am too naive, but I don't see either as a bad person. One of them is wrong though. Being wrong does not make anyone bad.
If someone is interested in Science/Math, this forum isn't the place to learn it. This place is clearly for debate, so people will set their expectations accordingly. As you and Alphanumeric have written many times, the correct way to learn is through the relevant text books.
Who's the bad person???
Perhaps I am too naive, but I don't see either as a bad person. One of them is wrong though. Being wrong does not make anyone bad.
If someone is interested in Science/Math, this forum isn't the place to learn it. This place is clearly for debate, so people will set their expectations accordingly. As you and Alphanumeric have written many times, the correct way to learn is through the relevant text books.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 2 2008, 02:52 PM)
If you have proved this conclusively in the best language possible, that is the language of maths, you simply cannot better that. If someone doesn't understand your proof, then they have no option but to rely on faith. Who would they rather believe?
That's why we have a nice little feedback system. So people can check what others think about someone who has made a post. With StevenA, they can quickly accurately tell that he is a lying idiot who shouldn't be allowed to breed.
That's why we have a nice little feedback system. So people can check what others think about someone who has made a post. With StevenA, they can quickly accurately tell that he is a lying idiot who shouldn't be allowed to breed.
QUOTE ("THEY"+Apr 1 2008, 07:51 PM)
Hi Raphie (see I finally got it right!)
You are so correct! I won't even take the time to read the rest of the thread, it is always the same. Yes, people definitely cross the line all the time here. Unfortunately, the moderators don't seem to care about what goes on here. I have complained many times that people should be more tolerant, but with the painfully wide range of personalities and education level here, where do you draw the line? Sometimes I completely agree with these guys, sometimes I just shake my head and leave. Sometimes I still complain, but it does nothing. I just don't come here very much anymore, the level of maturity is at times appalling.
And knowing the history of threads like this, I am sure maturity is severely lacking and insults are flying all ready. Boys will be boys........... This forum used to be a really cool place. But nowadays, it is a sandbox that kids are playing in. And the cats like it too
Dear They,
Boys will be boys? If this is the best we can hope for from the boys, I'm all for giving the women a chance to be in charge.
Funny thing, one of the most cited theoretical physicists of the past six years? LISA RANDALL of Harvard University.
Why funny?
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Harvard women's group rips Summers
A suggestion by Harvard University's president, Lawrence H. Summers, that women may not have the same innate abilities in math and science as men has touched off an angry response from many Harvard professors, including members of a committee on women's issues who sent Summers a letter yesterday complaining that his remarks "impede our current efforts to recruit top women scholars."
http://www.boston.com/news/education/highe...p_rips_summers/
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The outcome?
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Embattled Harvard President To Resign
Lawrence H. Summers, the president of Harvard University, announced yesterday that he will resign his post, bringing to close a stormy tenure in which the former Treasury secretary made impolitic remarks about women, alienated many black professors and repeatedly clashed with the faculty at America's most prominent university.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6022101842.html
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Gosh forbid anyone should suggest that human actions have consequences in any rather Newtonian manner or any other manner that might be modeled by the Laws of Physics. Only a "delusionional" "nut" would suggest as much...
:-)
Best,
Raphie
P.S. "delusionional" "nut"... Just a couple of the names I myself have been personally called on this board. "Boob" "Dense" "Dishonest" "Idiot"... just a few of the other names. More than a little appalling...
You are so correct! I won't even take the time to read the rest of the thread, it is always the same. Yes, people definitely cross the line all the time here. Unfortunately, the moderators don't seem to care about what goes on here. I have complained many times that people should be more tolerant, but with the painfully wide range of personalities and education level here, where do you draw the line? Sometimes I completely agree with these guys, sometimes I just shake my head and leave. Sometimes I still complain, but it does nothing. I just don't come here very much anymore, the level of maturity is at times appalling.
And knowing the history of threads like this, I am sure maturity is severely lacking and insults are flying all ready. Boys will be boys........... This forum used to be a really cool place. But nowadays, it is a sandbox that kids are playing in. And the cats like it too
Dear They,
Boys will be boys? If this is the best we can hope for from the boys, I'm all for giving the women a chance to be in charge.
Funny thing, one of the most cited theoretical physicists of the past six years? LISA RANDALL of Harvard University.
Why funny?
==========================================================
Harvard women's group rips Summers
A suggestion by Harvard University's president, Lawrence H. Summers, that women may not have the same innate abilities in math and science as men has touched off an angry response from many Harvard professors, including members of a committee on women's issues who sent Summers a letter yesterday complaining that his remarks "impede our current efforts to recruit top women scholars."
http://www.boston.com/news/education/highe...p_rips_summers/
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The outcome?
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Embattled Harvard President To Resign
Lawrence H. Summers, the president of Harvard University, announced yesterday that he will resign his post, bringing to close a stormy tenure in which the former Treasury secretary made impolitic remarks about women, alienated many black professors and repeatedly clashed with the faculty at America's most prominent university.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6022101842.html
==========================================================
Gosh forbid anyone should suggest that human actions have consequences in any rather Newtonian manner or any other manner that might be modeled by the Laws of Physics. Only a "delusionional" "nut" would suggest as much...
:-)
Best,
Raphie
P.S. "delusionional" "nut"... Just a couple of the names I myself have been personally called on this board. "Boob" "Dense" "Dishonest" "Idiot"... just a few of the other names. More than a little appalling...
QUOTE (NOM+)
That's why we have a nice little feedback system. So people can check what others think about someone who has made a post. With StevenA, they can quickly accurately tell that he is a lying idiot who shouldn't be allowed to breed.
The feedback system is a popularity contest. Science is not.
Also, the feedback system on this forum is hardly accurate. It allows people to give multiple positives or negatives to a person. Every person must be allowed feedback only once and then allowed to modify their already existing vote only.
The feedback system is a popularity contest. Science is not.
Also, the feedback system on this forum is hardly accurate. It allows people to give multiple positives or negatives to a person. Every person must be allowed feedback only once and then allowed to modify their already existing vote only.
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 03:40 PM)
"delusionional" "nut"... Just a couple of the names I myself have been personally called on this board. "Boob" "Dense" "Dishonest" "Idiot"... just a few of the other names. More than a little appalling...
... and more than a a little accurate
... and more than a a little accurate
As always, Nom, I can count on you to help me prove my points :-)
Best,
Raphie
P.S. On a serious, even if more than a little sarcastic note, if we're lucky, perhaps we can even cleanse the world of all those dumba** Pol*cks, ni**ers k**es, sp**s, ja*s and other rather sub human vermin. Oh, right, at least genetically, I'm a k**e... guess I better be careful what I wish for...
P.P.S. Add up the kind of conduct you yourself are complicit in on this board, Nom -- and I am of course talking on a macrocosmic scale here -- and this is what you get:
(a gift from Mariana to me in the form of a letter on the eve of her return to Croatia for just the second time in nine years…)
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And I Haven’t Danced Since He Died…
by Mariana Tomas
(posted) June 12, 2006
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2006/06/12/and...-since-he-died/
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I know I don’t have to tell you about consequences of war; I lost my cousin – who was like a brother to me – we grew up together and were of the same age. He was the one who taught me how to put eyeliner on and how to dance. And I haven’t danced since he died. His war lasted only 5 days.
He was found with 15 knife stabs in his body and 83 bullets.
The journalists who wrote about his death had to flee Croatia. His commander was found dead under strange circumstances. The young man who found my cousin and carried his body on his back to a ferry boat, on the bus, and then home — had to flee the country fearing for his life.
The five men who ambushed my cousin were Croatian paramilitary — my cousin was in the Croatian Military Police. Those who didn’t die in the war were found guilty of war crimes and sentenced. The military or the government (not sure which one) erected a monument for my cousin on the island on which he died. But his mother still keeps his room the same way as it was 14 years ago, and takes yellow Gerber daisies to his grave every day.
I am going to Croatia on June 11, the first time in 4 years, and second time in 9 years. Our house is 5 minutes away from the beach; there are no signs that forbid trespassing through the vineyards, olive gardens, or woods. Last time I went there, it was to mourn my father. I miss him so much, and that is enough said. In Croatia, there is my closest family (mother, sister, and brother) and relatives — many of them — I think the best point of reference I can give to describe a Dalmatian family is a Sicilian family; temperamental, impulsive, warm, loud, easily offended, nosy, generous, talkative, food and wine loving. They will suck up all the energy out of me, but I am just happy to be able to see them again, to open up my heart the best I can and let them know they are loved.
I will see my ‘old’ friends from college years — Damir — who saved my skin several times; Diana who got me in trouble many times with her lack of judgment and passion for adventure; Silar - who secretly loved me and wanted to marry me when I was already pregnant with my husband to be; Sebastian — who lead me onto a spiritual path and who is possibly the most lovable person on earth, and yet single; Ivo who made me laugh time after time doing private stand-up comedy gigs for me; Zeljka – my friend from 1st grade of grade school, together we dreamed of getting out of the province and doing something grand; Stipe — whom I held with my last power to prevent jumping off the 3rd floor and who was the only one who shared my passion for the grunge music; Ivan - my fellow poet – we used to stay up all night on two mechanical typewriters, making magic…
It will be a whirlwind; but of a good kind.
Best,
Raphie
P.S. On a serious, even if more than a little sarcastic note, if we're lucky, perhaps we can even cleanse the world of all those dumba** Pol*cks, ni**ers k**es, sp**s, ja*s and other rather sub human vermin. Oh, right, at least genetically, I'm a k**e... guess I better be careful what I wish for...
P.P.S. Add up the kind of conduct you yourself are complicit in on this board, Nom -- and I am of course talking on a macrocosmic scale here -- and this is what you get:
(a gift from Mariana to me in the form of a letter on the eve of her return to Croatia for just the second time in nine years…)
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And I Haven’t Danced Since He Died…
by Mariana Tomas
(posted) June 12, 2006
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2006/06/12/and...-since-he-died/
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I know I don’t have to tell you about consequences of war; I lost my cousin – who was like a brother to me – we grew up together and were of the same age. He was the one who taught me how to put eyeliner on and how to dance. And I haven’t danced since he died. His war lasted only 5 days.
He was found with 15 knife stabs in his body and 83 bullets.
The journalists who wrote about his death had to flee Croatia. His commander was found dead under strange circumstances. The young man who found my cousin and carried his body on his back to a ferry boat, on the bus, and then home — had to flee the country fearing for his life.
The five men who ambushed my cousin were Croatian paramilitary — my cousin was in the Croatian Military Police. Those who didn’t die in the war were found guilty of war crimes and sentenced. The military or the government (not sure which one) erected a monument for my cousin on the island on which he died. But his mother still keeps his room the same way as it was 14 years ago, and takes yellow Gerber daisies to his grave every day.
I am going to Croatia on June 11, the first time in 4 years, and second time in 9 years. Our house is 5 minutes away from the beach; there are no signs that forbid trespassing through the vineyards, olive gardens, or woods. Last time I went there, it was to mourn my father. I miss him so much, and that is enough said. In Croatia, there is my closest family (mother, sister, and brother) and relatives — many of them — I think the best point of reference I can give to describe a Dalmatian family is a Sicilian family; temperamental, impulsive, warm, loud, easily offended, nosy, generous, talkative, food and wine loving. They will suck up all the energy out of me, but I am just happy to be able to see them again, to open up my heart the best I can and let them know they are loved.
I will see my ‘old’ friends from college years — Damir — who saved my skin several times; Diana who got me in trouble many times with her lack of judgment and passion for adventure; Silar - who secretly loved me and wanted to marry me when I was already pregnant with my husband to be; Sebastian — who lead me onto a spiritual path and who is possibly the most lovable person on earth, and yet single; Ivo who made me laugh time after time doing private stand-up comedy gigs for me; Zeljka – my friend from 1st grade of grade school, together we dreamed of getting out of the province and doing something grand; Stipe — whom I held with my last power to prevent jumping off the 3rd floor and who was the only one who shared my passion for the grunge music; Ivan - my fellow poet – we used to stay up all night on two mechanical typewriters, making magic…
It will be a whirlwind; but of a good kind.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 2 2008, 01:52 AM)
If you have proved this conclusively in the best language possible, that is the language of maths, you simply cannot better that. If someone doesn't understand your proof, then they have no option but to rely on faith. Who would they rather believe? Perhaps I am too naive, but I don't see either as a bad person. One of them is wrong though. Being wrong does not make anyone bad.
This doesn't seem to be registering! StevenA continually attempts to remove the credibility of others simply to deceive people into thinking he knows what he's on about. If we are talking about the group of people who don't understand the proofs, it doesn't matter if they're wrong or right. StevenA doesn't mind that he's wrong: he just wants at least someone to think he's an expert, and he's more than willing to discredit others and project his misunderstandings onto anyone who will listen in a hope of doing so.
He's a chump who likes to lie a lot: the fact the people call him up on it is a good thing.
This doesn't seem to be registering! StevenA continually attempts to remove the credibility of others simply to deceive people into thinking he knows what he's on about. If we are talking about the group of people who don't understand the proofs, it doesn't matter if they're wrong or right. StevenA doesn't mind that he's wrong: he just wants at least someone to think he's an expert, and he's more than willing to discredit others and project his misunderstandings onto anyone who will listen in a hope of doing so.
He's a chump who likes to lie a lot: the fact the people call him up on it is a good thing.
Whilst I certainly wouldn't recommend this place to someone looking for a forum to learn from, that doesn't mean people don't try and use it as such. See the homework help forum: here a student asks for help, and StevenA turns up trying to push his misunderstandings on him. He doesn't care if he confuses the student, or if the student loses marks for taking his advice - he gives no regard whatsoever: as long as he is seen to be chatting about certain things. Do you condone such actions?
Did you read what AlphaNumeric replied to him?
This doesn't seem to be registering! StevenA continually attempts to remove the credibility of others simply to deceive people into thinking he knows what he's on about. If we are talking about the group of people who don't understand the proofs, it doesn't matter if they're wrong or right. StevenA doesn't mind that he's wrong: he just wants at least someone to think he's an expert, and he's more than willing to discredit others and project his misunderstandings onto anyone who will listen in a hope of doing so.
He's a chump who likes to lie a lot: the fact the people call him up on it is a good thing.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 2 2008, 01:52 AM)
If someone is interested in Science/Math, this forum isn't the place to learn it. This place is clearly for debate, so people will set their expectations accordingly. As you and Alphanumeric have written many times, the correct way to learn is through the relevant text books.
Whilst I certainly wouldn't recommend this place to someone looking for a forum to learn from, that doesn't mean people don't try and use it as such. See the homework help forum: here a student asks for help, and StevenA turns up trying to push his misunderstandings on him. He doesn't care if he confuses the student, or if the student loses marks for taking his advice - he gives no regard whatsoever: as long as he is seen to be chatting about certain things. Do you condone such actions?
Whilst I certainly wouldn't recommend this place to someone looking for a forum to learn from, that doesn't mean people don't try and use it as such. See the homework help forum: here a student asks for help, and StevenA turns up trying to push his misunderstandings on him. He doesn't care if he confuses the student, or if the student loses marks for taking his advice - he gives no regard whatsoever: as long as he is seen to be chatting about certain things. Do you condone such actions?
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 2 2008, 06:45 AM)
This doesn't seem to be registering! StevenA continually attempts to remove the credibility of others simply to deceive people into thinking he knows what he's on about. If we are talking about the group of people who don't understand the proofs, it doesn't matter if they're wrong or right. StevenA doesn't mind that he's wrong: he just wants at least someone to think he's an expert, and he's more than willing to discredit others and project his misunderstandings onto anyone who will listen in a hope of doing so.
He's a chump who likes to lie a lot: the fact the people call him up on it is a good thing.
Whilst I certainly wouldn't recommend this place to someone looking for a forum to learn from, that doesn't mean people don't try and use it as such. See the homework help forum: here a student asks for help, and StevenA turns up trying to push his misunderstandings on him. He doesn't care if he confuses the student, or if the student loses marks for taking his advice - he gives no regard whatsoever: as long as he is seen to be chatting about certain things. Do you condone such actions?
Did you read what AlphaNumeric replied to him?
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+)
This is precisely why you don't understand anything to do with electron spin, you don't know the first thing about quantum mechanics.
You're an idiot.
kolahal_b, it's trivial by the fact derivatives are themselves linear.
Then compare that to my entirely relevant reply indicating why the solutions to linear equations are not required to be linear in themselves.
You're an idiot.
kolahal_b, it's trivial by the fact derivatives are themselves linear.
Then compare that to my entirely relevant reply indicating why the solutions to linear equations are not required to be linear in themselves.
QUOTE (StevenA+)
The interesting thing here is that solutions to linear equations are not in themselves required to be linear.
For example, computing the solution to these two linear equations:
ax+by=c
dx+ey=f
requires a non-linear computation to solve:
x+by/a=c/a
x+ey/d=f/d
x+by/a-x-ey/d=c/a-f/d
by/a-ey/d=c/a-f/d
(bd-ae)y/ad=(cd-af)/ad
(bd-ae)y=cd-af
y=(cd-af)/(bd-ae)
Notice that y is not linearly related to the bd-ae term and hence, though an equation may be expressed in terms of linearly related elements, computing solutions to these doesn't necessarily remain within the confines of being a linear computation.
Obviously the quality of content and information given between these two replies (both of which are our first replies on the thread) are figuratively at least an order of magnitude apart.
Thank you for emphasizing it as well I could hardly have expected you to post a better example. (And of course it's saddening to recognize that AlphaNumeric is a self proclaimed teacher as well .... so I assume his post reflects a typical fare. As they say, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.")
For example, computing the solution to these two linear equations:
ax+by=c
dx+ey=f
requires a non-linear computation to solve:
x+by/a=c/a
x+ey/d=f/d
x+by/a-x-ey/d=c/a-f/d
by/a-ey/d=c/a-f/d
(bd-ae)y/ad=(cd-af)/ad
(bd-ae)y=cd-af
y=(cd-af)/(bd-ae)
Notice that y is not linearly related to the bd-ae term and hence, though an equation may be expressed in terms of linearly related elements, computing solutions to these doesn't necessarily remain within the confines of being a linear computation.
Obviously the quality of content and information given between these two replies (both of which are our first replies on the thread) are figuratively at least an order of magnitude apart.
Thank you for emphasizing it as well
I could hardly have expected you to post a better example. (And of course it's saddening to recognize that AlphaNumeric is a self proclaimed teacher as well .... so I assume his post reflects a typical fare. As they say, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.")
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 07:31 AM)
Did you read what AlphaNumeric replied to him?
Seems clear to me that he was responding to a known crank...
Seems clear to me that he was responding to a known crank...
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+)
QUOTE (DavidD+)
this shrodinger equation looks like kids play a|psi>+b|psi2> - now what this supose to be?
This is precisely why you don't understand anything to do with electron spin, you don't know the first thing about quantum mechanics.
You're an idiot.
kolahal_b, it's trivial by the fact derivatives are themselves linear.
Or had you intentionally left out the relevant quote?
This is precisely why you don't understand anything to do with electron spin, you don't know the first thing about quantum mechanics.
You're an idiot.
kolahal_b, it's trivial by the fact derivatives are themselves linear.
Or had you intentionally left out the relevant quote?
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 2 2008, 07:39 AM)
Seems clear to me that he was responding to a known crank...
You said it was a student asking for help.
You said it was a student asking for help.
QUOTE (Euler+)
Whilst I certainly wouldn't recommend this place to someone looking for a forum to learn from, that doesn't mean people don't try and use it as such. See the homework help forum: here a student asks for help, and StevenA turns up trying to push his misunderstandings on him. He doesn't care if he confuses the student, or if the student loses marks for taking his advice - he gives no regard whatsoever: as long as he is seen to be chatting about certain things. Do you condone such actions?
But after I point out that I gave detailed feedback to him/her regarding the difference between linear equations and non-linear solutions to them, whereas Alpha replies with a few sentences of insults, you change your tune and claim the guy/gal was a crank.
I'd say instead this is a much better example of how you adopt double standards and post misinformation, distortions and intentionally confuse issues.
But after I point out that I gave detailed feedback to him/her regarding the difference between linear equations and non-linear solutions to them, whereas Alpha replies with a few sentences of insults, you change your tune and claim the guy/gal was a crank.
I'd say instead this is a much better example of how you adopt double standards and post misinformation, distortions and intentionally confuse issues.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 07:49 AM)
You said it was a student asking for help.
kolahal_b is the student, DavidD is the crank. You know this, but are attempting to muddy the waters. You realize that people can actually see the thread, right?
kolahal_b is the student, DavidD is the crank. You know this, but are attempting to muddy the waters. You realize that people can actually see the thread, right?
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 08:31 AM)
Obviously the quality of content and information given between these two replies (both of which are our first replies on the thread) are figuratively at least an order of magnitude apart.
Yes, at least my post doesn't say anything false. You continue to think "Linear operator" means "Linear equation". You have had the difference explained many times. You've been given links, book recommendations and lecture notes. None of which you've used.
Your post not only doesn't explain how to go about solving a linear differential equation, it doesn't have anything to do with calculus and it shows a staggering lack of understanding about maths in general.
You're right, the difference is at least an order of magnitude. You actually hinder people's understanding by giving completely wrong answers.
Yes, at least my post doesn't say anything false. You continue to think "Linear operator" means "Linear equation". You have had the difference explained many times. You've been given links, book recommendations and lecture notes. None of which you've used.
Your post not only doesn't explain how to go about solving a linear differential equation, it doesn't have anything to do with calculus and it shows a staggering lack of understanding about maths in general.
You're right, the difference is at least an order of magnitude. You actually hinder people's understanding by giving completely wrong answers.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 08:49 AM)
You said it was a student asking for help.
DavidD is a crank. I provided many explainations of the concepts of quantum mechanics, including explainations of the maths of the Pauli matrices and the Schrodinger equation. He listened to none of them. Just like you do, when presented with something entirely over his head, he then just made stuff up and said "My way is better". For instance, when shown the algebra for the Pauli matrices he didn't understand commutator brackets or the notation used to represent the i'th matrix, so he just made up his own expressions and asked why that wouldn't work. Never mind they didn't satisfy the requirement for a Lie bracket to be closed within a tangent space (such a concept was far too complex for him) because tangent spaces don't form group structures, the algebra he suggested didn't work.
He doesn't want to listen. Just as you don't.
He doesn't want to listen. Just as you don't.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 08:49 AM)
But after I point out that I gave detailed feedback to him/her regarding the difference between linear equations and non-linear solutions to them,
You provided false answers.
You know that noone in mainstream maths agrees with you. If the person asking questions was foolish enough to believe you, they would fail their course because you would fail the course because you cannot do anything to do with maths or physics. I know, I teach both 1st year mathematical methods and 2nd year quantum mechanics.
You know that noone in mainstream maths agrees with you. If the person asking questions was foolish enough to believe you, they would fail their course because you would fail the course because you cannot do anything to do with maths or physics. I know, I teach both 1st year mathematical methods and 2nd year quantum mechanics.
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 1 2008, 10:27 AM)
AN ASIDE:
It is preciselyIMHO because AN is clearly well-possessed of an immense intellect that I believe he has a bit of a moral obligation to use his intellect wisely. I wish to be fair here...
Best,
Raphie
I do. You just don't want to listen and then I get exasperated when for the 10th time you ignore my questions and make the same errors. For StevenA it's the 500th time. Every post he makes is chock full of nonsense and I even get the occasional PM from him telling me he's started a new thread to pass on nuggets of knowledge he has, as if he's doing me a favour. As if he honestly believes he's right.
Every time I reply to him I have to list his errors, which are copious. Even when his own sources contradict him he's hypocritical enough to say I haven't supported my claims, despite giving books, lecture notes and websites of professors. He disagrees with definitions for **** sake! It's like disagreeing with the dictionary on what a word means. Just because one loon makes up crap as he goes along doesn't mean he's right. If one nut says "wibble" every time he means to do "hello" does that mean "wibble" is the word used by everyone to give a greeting? Of course not. Yet StevenA thinks his definitions are the definitions of mathematicians.
I am disgusted by his attitude. I honestly do think he's a delusional person.
It is preciselyIMHO because AN is clearly well-possessed of an immense intellect that I believe he has a bit of a moral obligation to use his intellect wisely. I wish to be fair here...
Best,
Raphie
I do. You just don't want to listen and then I get exasperated when for the 10th time you ignore my questions and make the same errors. For StevenA it's the 500th time. Every post he makes is chock full of nonsense and I even get the occasional PM from him telling me he's started a new thread to pass on nuggets of knowledge he has, as if he's doing me a favour. As if he honestly believes he's right.
Every time I reply to him I have to list his errors, which are copious. Even when his own sources contradict him he's hypocritical enough to say I haven't supported my claims, despite giving books, lecture notes and websites of professors. He disagrees with definitions for **** sake! It's like disagreeing with the dictionary on what a word means. Just because one loon makes up crap as he goes along doesn't mean he's right. If one nut says "wibble" every time he means to do "hello" does that mean "wibble" is the word used by everyone to give a greeting? Of course not. Yet StevenA thinks his definitions are the definitions of mathematicians.
I am disgusted by his attitude. I honestly do think he's a delusional person.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 10:27 AM)
Alphanumeric's response is excessive, arrogant and totally uncalled for. I would get really "pissed off" if someone insulted my kid like that.
I pity his kids. Must be upsetting to see psychotic nature in the family, given the genetic nature many such things show.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 1 2008, 07:01 PM)
He's invested a lot of time and energy to propogating his views (he claims he teaches) and has emotional attachments to them and finds it difficult to resolve flaws that would alter them. It's difficult to someone to find their favorite baby blanket wearing thin, but it will obviously happen if it's not stitched up well and made from strong material. It's repairable but he needs to learn to sew.
If there was a flaw in any of this work and I came across it, I'd publish it. As I explained to you, demolishing an area of physics or maths would spur on more work and make me well known in the maths/physics community. If I could prove string theory inconsistent tomorrow, I'd do it and publish it. Despite taking down 30 years of work. After all, Einstein took down 250 years of Newtonian physics.
But you'll notice that maths areas don't get demolished. They are only built up. Things branch off but once proven they are always there, true statements which don't change.
If there was a flaw in any of this work and I came across it, I'd publish it. As I explained to you, demolishing an area of physics or maths would spur on more work and make me well known in the maths/physics community. If I could prove string theory inconsistent tomorrow, I'd do it and publish it. Despite taking down 30 years of work. After all, Einstein took down 250 years of Newtonian physics.
But you'll notice that maths areas don't get demolished. They are only built up. Things branch off but once proven they are always there, true statements which don't change.
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 1 2008, 10:26 PM)
QUOTE (Euler+)
And for those that don't understand the proofs (basic though they may be)?
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof? Certainly not words. So any amount of arguing beyond this doesn't help.
So if someone doesn't understand the proof, too bad.
And what if someone, ie StevenA, expends all his time online trying to fool the mathematically naive into thinking his incorrect comments are true? He even quotes some in this thread, his comments on linear operators. Look up work on 'linear differential operators' and then compare with what he posted. Completely different. He's dedicated huge threads to trying to spread such lies. He was shot down at every stuff but he continues.
If someone said "I don't believe you but I'll stop saying it", fair enough. But he continues to say it and I don't wish the mathematically naive to be sucked in by his nonsense. He tried to 'help' people sitting university courses by giving them results he knows their markers will not accept and say "Completely wrong and irrelevent". Is that helpful? Knowingly hindering someone's learning?
What can be more clearer than a mathematical proof? Certainly not words. So any amount of arguing beyond this doesn't help.
So if someone doesn't understand the proof, too bad.
And what if someone, ie StevenA, expends all his time online trying to fool the mathematically naive into thinking his incorrect comments are true? He even quotes some in this thread, his comments on linear operators. Look up work on 'linear differential operators' and then compare with what he posted. Completely different. He's dedicated huge threads to trying to spread such lies. He was shot down at every stuff but he continues.
If someone said "I don't believe you but I'll stop saying it", fair enough. But he continues to say it and I don't wish the mathematically naive to be sucked in by his nonsense. He tried to 'help' people sitting university courses by giving them results he knows their markers will not accept and say "Completely wrong and irrelevent". Is that helpful? Knowingly hindering someone's learning?
Very long-winded, Alphanumeric. Do the right thing and you will cut the necessary verbiage to justify your positions down by a factor of 80% at least.
Best.
Raphie
Best.
Raphie
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 09:37 AM)
Very long-winded, Alphanumeric. Do the right thing and you will cut the necessary verbiage to justify your positions down by a factor of 80% at least.
Best.
Raphie
StevenA tells people what he considers maths and physics which he knows will not help them pass the maths/physics course/homework which prompted the question.
StevenA repeatedly lies, claiming to understand maths when he doesn't understand concepts like linear operators, sets, morphisms, vector spaces, the number line, limits, convergence and cardinality (all of which he's made extensive claims about)
StevenA ignores all sources of information which disagree with him. Books, lecture notes and even the personal websites of Cambridge professors.
StevenA makes claims that mathematicians say X, Y and Z when they say nothing of the sort (examples include swapping the order of limits or mapping notation)
StevenA refuses to show he can do any actual maths, claims he's got a great understanding then fails to understand stuff taught to 14 year olds. His claims of having seen further than anyone without standing on the shoulders of anyone, never mind giants, coupled with his inability to do maths, show he's delusional.
Concise enough for you? I know you have trouble reading long posts, you just tune out. Must be a short attention span. I wonder if you're even reading this.
Best.
Raphie
StevenA tells people what he considers maths and physics which he knows will not help them pass the maths/physics course/homework which prompted the question.
StevenA repeatedly lies, claiming to understand maths when he doesn't understand concepts like linear operators, sets, morphisms, vector spaces, the number line, limits, convergence and cardinality (all of which he's made extensive claims about)
StevenA ignores all sources of information which disagree with him. Books, lecture notes and even the personal websites of Cambridge professors.
StevenA makes claims that mathematicians say X, Y and Z when they say nothing of the sort (examples include swapping the order of limits or mapping notation)
StevenA refuses to show he can do any actual maths, claims he's got a great understanding then fails to understand stuff taught to 14 year olds. His claims of having seen further than anyone without standing on the shoulders of anyone, never mind giants, coupled with his inability to do maths, show he's delusional.
Concise enough for you? I know you have trouble reading long posts, you just tune out. Must be a short attention span. I wonder if you're even reading this.
StevenA is a genius, AN, regardless of the "conventional wisdom," and most certainly NOT a liar. And, yes, to just once agree with one of your critiques, you are correct, I have pretty serious ADHD.
Best,
Raphie
Best,
Raphie
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 09:15 AM)
StevenA is a genius, AN...
Quite literally one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read (and I've read a lot of StevenA's posts, so this is a strong statement).
Quite literally one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read (and I've read a lot of StevenA's posts, so this is a strong statement).
Given Alphanumeric's obvious ability, integrity and generousity "Yes AN, thank you AN" would probably be the best response - but it would be much less interesting - without StevenA the site would be 'less interesting'.
-C2.
( I think "May you have an interesting (life)" - is used as a curse in China - could be wrong though)
-C2.
( I think "May you have an interesting (life)" - is used as a curse in China - could be wrong though)
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 09:15 AM)
StevenA is a genius, AN, regardless of the "conventional wisdom,"
Whether true or false (personally, I concur with Euler), StevenA has demonstrated an inability to apply basic math principles. Whether he agrees with them or not, he must be able to understand and apply them if he is to argue against them. Otherwise it is the equivalent of (to use an oft use example...) arguing French grammar with a Frenchman when he knows not the first thing about the French language.
Stating that he understand limits better than Euler or AN whilst being unable to calculate a limit properly (as he has been asked by Euler to do many times) is a statement of either pure stupidity or a lie (IMO). It is probably a sarcastic jibe, but that does not stop it being a lie. You have stated that you think he is a genius, so if he is not a liar you must believe he understands limits better than AN and Euler. Is that your position?
Whether true or false (personally, I concur with Euler), StevenA has demonstrated an inability to apply basic math principles. Whether he agrees with them or not, he must be able to understand and apply them if he is to argue against them. Otherwise it is the equivalent of (to use an oft use example...) arguing French grammar with a Frenchman when he knows not the first thing about the French language.
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and most certainly NOT a liar.
Stating that he understand limits better than Euler or AN whilst being unable to calculate a limit properly (as he has been asked by Euler to do many times) is a statement of either pure stupidity or a lie (IMO). It is probably a sarcastic jibe, but that does not stop it being a lie. You have stated that you think he is a genius, so if he is not a liar you must believe he understands limits better than AN and Euler. Is that your position?
QUOTE (Confused2+Apr 2 2008, 09:19 AM)
Given Alphanumeric's obvious ability, integrity and generousity "Yes AN, thank you AN" would probably be the best response - but it would be much less interesting - without StevenA the site would be 'less interesting'.
The site would also be much less interesting without the insults regularly handed out to cranks (I am neither condoning nor condemning this behaviour at this point.)
So given your argument (which seems to support StevenA's behaviour), you think AN (and others) should dish out more insults so the site is more interesting.
Is this your position?
The site would also be much less interesting without the insults regularly handed out to cranks (I am neither condoning nor condemning this behaviour at this point.)
So given your argument (which seems to support StevenA's behaviour), you think AN (and others) should dish out more insults so the site is more interesting.
Is this your position?
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 10:15 AM)
StevenA is a genius, AN,
No, he isn't. Just like you he suffers from the illusion that he knows much more than he actually does. He goes a step further than you and claims to have working knowledge of ALL of maths. And much of physics.
No, he isn't. Just like you he suffers from the illusion that he knows much more than he actually does. He goes a step further than you and claims to have working knowledge of ALL of maths. And much of physics.
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 10:15 AM)
and most certainly NOT a liar
He lies about his knowledge. He lies about his ability. He lies about the material he's read. He lies compulsively. He seems unable to say, about any subject, "I don't know anything about this". He just has to give his 2 cents on everything and his 2 cents he always beens more worthy than everyone else. Irrespective of how much they know.
Are you implying that Euler made a statement along the lines you associate with his name? If you are, and if he has made no such statement, you should not imply so in this disgusting post.
QUOTE (Euler+Apr 2 2008, 07:53 AM)
kolahal_b is the student, DavidD is the crank. You know this, but are attempting to muddy the waters. You realize that people can actually see the thread, right?
My mistake, yes, he was replying to DavidD, though it goes as a good example of the general difference in character of posts (even if I misascribed who he was talking to). Alpha simply jumps in and begins telling everyone they're stupid, or a crank (an "idiot" in this specific case) and I sit down and offer some technical insights. Again, that's a thread you selected and I just picked the first posts we put there.
My mistake, yes, he was replying to DavidD, though it goes as a good example of the general difference in character of posts (even if I misascribed who he was talking to). Alpha simply jumps in and begins telling everyone they're stupid, or a crank (an "idiot" in this specific case) and I sit down and offer some technical insights. Again, that's a thread you selected and I just picked the first posts we put there.
QUOTE (Euler+)
This doesn't seem to be registering! StevenA continually attempts to remove the credibility of others simply to deceive people into thinking he knows what he's on about. If we are talking about the group of people who don't understand the proofs, it doesn't matter if they're wrong or right. StevenA doesn't mind that he's wrong: he just wants at least someone to think he's an expert, and he's more than willing to discredit others and project his misunderstandings onto anyone who will listen in a hope of doing so.
He's a chump who likes to lie a lot: the fact the people call him up on it is a good thing.
It is registering. What doesn't seem to be registering is that once you provide a complete mathematical proof, no amount of attempts to lie by anyone will work.
If someone doesn't get the math, there is nothing much you or anyone can do about it. After that point, it is your word against that of StevenA.
He's a chump who likes to lie a lot: the fact the people call him up on it is a good thing.
It is registering. What doesn't seem to be registering is that once you provide a complete mathematical proof, no amount of attempts to lie by anyone will work.
If someone doesn't get the math, there is nothing much you or anyone can do about it. After that point, it is your word against that of StevenA.
QUOTE (Euler+)
Whilst I certainly wouldn't recommend this place to someone looking for a forum to learn from, that doesn't mean people don't try and use it as such. See the homework help forum: here a student asks for help, and StevenA turns up trying to push his misunderstandings on him. He doesn't care if he confuses the student, or if the student loses marks for taking his advice - he gives no regard whatsoever: as long as he is seen to be chatting about certain things. Do you condone such actions?
If someone doesn't know the difference between discussing on the Internet and reading a textbook, there is nothing much you or anyone can do about it.
If someone doesn't know the difference between discussing on the Internet and reading a textbook, there is nothing much you or anyone can do about it.
QUOTE (Edward 3+Apr 2 2008, 09:27 AM)
Are you implying that Euler made a statement along the lines you associate with his name? If you are, and if he has made no such statement, you should not imply so in this disgusting post.
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Do you really need an explanation of the meaning of the word "if?"
So you chalk up your own blatant lie to a mistake, then persist in reiterating a claim based on that lie? (For the record, it was so blatantly obvious that AN was talking to Dubba D that there's no possible way you could have not known before claiming otherwise, barring serious mental handicap.)
And you offering "technical insight?"
YOU WERE WRONG!!!!!! That's not "technical insight" that's misinformation, and what's worse: You actually had the stupidity and gall to argue when it was pointed out to you!
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Do you really need an explanation of the meaning of the word "if?"
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My mistake, yes, he was replying to DavidD, though it goes as a good example of the general difference in character of posts (even if I misascribed who he was talking to). Alpha simply jumps in and begins telling everyone they're stupid, or a crank (an "idiot" in this specific case) and I sit down and offer some technical insights. Again, that's a thread you selected and I just picked the first posts we put there.
So you chalk up your own blatant lie to a mistake, then persist in reiterating a claim based on that lie? (For the record, it was so blatantly obvious that AN was talking to Dubba D that there's no possible way you could have not known before claiming otherwise, barring serious mental handicap.)
And you offering "technical insight?"
YOU WERE WRONG!!!!!! That's not "technical insight" that's misinformation, and what's worse: You actually had the stupidity and gall to argue when it was pointed out to you!
Your post could easily be interpreted as a quote of something Euler said. The reason I asked is that I did not believe Euler would sink so low.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 03:35 PM)
My mistake, yes, he was replying to DavidD, though it goes as a good example of the general difference in character of posts (even if I misascribed who he was talking to). Alpha simply jumps in and begins telling everyone they're stupid, or a crank (an "idiot" in this specific case)
David and I had been involved in several threads in the preceeding days where David made claims about the Schrodinger equation and the Pauli matrices. It then transpired he didn't even know calculus or matrix mathematics so couldn't even understand the Schrodinger equation or the Pauli matrices.
His attitude is like yours, a concept or area of mainstream work is completely beyond his ability to understand and he makes no attempt to learn it but thinks he's got all the answers. Hence why I came in with "You know nothing about quantum mechanics".
And my reply was ontop to the thread starter. The linearity of differentials, ie that d/dx ( a.f(x)+b.g(x)) = a df/dx + b dg/dx immediately makes the Schrodinger equation linear, in that a linear combination of solutions is a solution.
David and I had been involved in several threads in the preceeding days where David made claims about the Schrodinger equation and the Pauli matrices. It then transpired he didn't even know calculus or matrix mathematics so couldn't even understand the Schrodinger equation or the Pauli matrices.
His attitude is like yours, a concept or area of mainstream work is completely beyond his ability to understand and he makes no attempt to learn it but thinks he's got all the answers. Hence why I came in with "You know nothing about quantum mechanics".
And my reply was ontop to the thread starter. The linearity of differentials, ie that d/dx ( a.f(x)+b.g(x)) = a df/dx + b dg/dx immediately makes the Schrodinger equation linear, in that a linear combination of solutions is a solution.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 2 2008, 03:35 PM)
and I sit down and offer some technical insights.
No, you didn't. You gave your uninformed, ignorant opinion about a topic you don't understand. As I said, if someone listened to you, they'd not get the answer right. The Schrodinger equation allows physicists to describe real physical systems. Your method doesn't. You're right. You know your 'technical information' wouldn't be accepted, but you give it anyway. You deliberately mislead people, knowing full well your advice is not going to benefit them. Thus you are dishonest. I've challenged you to answer actual quantum mechanics questions. You ran away. Same goes for linear algebra. Every technical source disagrees with you. You cannot name a single book you've read on the topic or a single lecture course you've undertaken. Real world applications rest on the concept of the Schrodinger equation being linear. Linear in the sense mathematicians define linear. And it works. Your method doesn't. You don't even know what 'linear' means to a mathematician. You make up your own definition. Just as you do with 'set'. As BDW said, it's like arguing with a french speaker about french grammar when you don't know french.
You aren't helping, you're hindering and you know it. You're dishonest. You're a crank. You're a nut. You're a delusional wacko. You run from challenges. You'd rather than 20 minutes typing BS about why you won't answer a question than 10 minutes doing the question. A classic sign of someone whose full of ****.
And no doubt you'll either ignore this or complain but you won't prove me wrong. Infact, you'll probably prove me right by waffling for a lengthy paragraph about unrelated topics you don't understand.
You aren't helping, you're hindering and you know it. You're dishonest. You're a crank. You're a nut. You're a delusional wacko. You run from challenges. You'd rather than 20 minutes typing BS about why you won't answer a question than 10 minutes doing the question. A classic sign of someone whose full of ****.
And no doubt you'll either ignore this or complain but you won't prove me wrong. Infact, you'll probably prove me right by waffling for a lengthy paragraph about unrelated topics you don't understand.
QUOTE (Edward 3+Apr 2 2008, 11:03 AM)
Your post could easily be interpreted as a quote of something Euler said. The reason I asked is that I did not believe Euler would sink so low.
Only by someone with signifigant reading comprehension difficulties.
You know, like failing to understand the context, or my use of the word "if"...
Only by someone with signifigant reading comprehension difficulties.
You know, like failing to understand the context, or my use of the word "if"...
There was clearly an alternative interpretation - which you cannot see for the simple reason that you do not want to see. " There are none so blind etc......"
QUOTE (Edward 3+Apr 2 2008, 07:36 PM)
" There are none so blind etc......"
A more apt quote for this forum might be: “ In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
A more apt quote for this forum might be: “ In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
I think both are fairly applicable
QUOTE (Edward 3+Apr 2 2008, 02:36 PM)
There was clearly an alternative interpretation - which you cannot see for the simple reason that you do not want to see. " There are none so blind etc......"
What I said was "If Euler decided to speculate on his (StevenA) mother's proclivities with neighborhood dogs, I would support him..." How could that POSSIBLY be interpreted as "Euler once speculated on his (StevenA) mother's proclivities with neighborhood dogs..." ??
What I said was "If Euler decided to speculate on his (StevenA) mother's proclivities with neighborhood dogs, I would support him..." How could that POSSIBLY be interpreted as "Euler once speculated on his (StevenA) mother's proclivities with neighborhood dogs..." ??
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 2 2008, 03:35 PM)
It is registering. What doesn't seem to be registering is that once you provide a complete mathematical proof, no amount of attempts to lie by anyone will work.
What will or will not work? I am calling StevenA a pathological liar, a bit of a thickie and that it is my belief that he deserves everything he gets. What are you trying to argue?
What will or will not work? I am calling StevenA a pathological liar, a bit of a thickie and that it is my belief that he deserves everything he gets. What are you trying to argue?
QUOTE (vkamath+Apr 2 2008, 03:35 PM)
If someone doesn't know the difference between discussing on the Internet and reading a textbook, there is nothing much you or anyone can do about it.
Are you deliberately being obtuse? Are you now suggesting that it is the would-be-student's fault for asking a question on a physics forum without expecting an answer full of misinformation from someone who makes out to be an expert, rather than the person who perpetuates such misinformation? Don't be quite so ridiculous.
Are you actually condoning StevenA's actions? Do you believe him to be an expert in the things he claims*? Do you think he's likely to be in a position to correct Field's medalists? What exactly is your position in this discussion?
*For an off-hand example: StevenA has this evening dismissed the validity of the Peano axioms, claiming them to be inconsistent. Were his claim to hold any water, not only would he have seen further than thousands of mathematicians who've spent their lives working on the foundations of mathematics, but he would surely be inline for the next fields medal. Or, of course, he might be talking rubbish about things he doesn't understand... who knows?!?!
Are you deliberately being obtuse? Are you now suggesting that it is the would-be-student's fault for asking a question on a physics forum without expecting an answer full of misinformation from someone who makes out to be an expert, rather than the person who perpetuates such misinformation? Don't be quite so ridiculous.
Are you actually condoning StevenA's actions? Do you believe him to be an expert in the things he claims*? Do you think he's likely to be in a position to correct Field's medalists? What exactly is your position in this discussion?
*For an off-hand example: StevenA has this evening dismissed the validity of the Peano axioms, claiming them to be inconsistent. Were his claim to hold any water, not only would he have seen further than thousands of mathematicians who've spent their lives working on the foundations of mathematics, but he would surely be inline for the next fields medal. Or, of course, he might be talking rubbish about things he doesn't understand... who knows?!?!
QUOTE (Euler+)
What will or will not work?
What will not work : Using words (sometimes harsh) to prove yourself right or wrong about a mathematical problem.
What will not work : Using words (sometimes harsh) to prove yourself right or wrong about a mathematical problem.
QUOTE (Euler+)
I am calling StevenA a pathological liar, a bit of a thickie and that it is my belief that he deserves everything he gets. What are you trying to argue?
You are entitled to your opinion. I am trying argue that the best method is to present the proof and let go if someone doesn't get it, as you can't do anything more about it
You are entitled to your opinion. I am trying argue that the best method is to present the proof and let go if someone doesn't get it, as you can't do anything more about it
QUOTE (Euler+)
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
No.
No.
QUOTE (Euler+)
Are you now suggesting that it is the would-be-student's fault for asking a question on a physics forum without expecting an answer full of misinformation from someone who makes out to be an expert, rather than the person who perpetuates such misinformation? Don't be quite so ridiculous.
No, that is not what I am suggesting. I am simply stating that would-be-students asking questions on an internet forum know what to expect.
No, that is not what I am suggesting. I am simply stating that would-be-students asking questions on an internet forum know what to expect.
QUOTE (Euler+)
Are you actually condoning StevenA's actions?
His actions are to make posts on threads which could possibly be wrong (I don't know). Calling it lies, deliberate misdirection,discrediting people I think is exaggeration. Calling him or his family names is definitely uncalled for.
His actions are to make posts on threads which could possibly be wrong (I don't know). Calling it lies, deliberate misdirection,discrediting people I think is exaggeration. Calling him or his family names is definitely uncalled for.
QUOTE (Euler+)
Do you believe him to be an expert in the things he claims*?
No. But I think he is a great out-of-the-box thinker, though not always right.
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No. But I think he is a great out-of-the-box thinker, though not always right.
QUOTE (Euler+)
Do you think he's likely to be in a position to correct Field's medalists? What exactly is your position in this discussion?
I think its unlikely that that he is in a position to correct Field medalists. But I don't see how that is relevant to a mathematical proof of .9r=1.
I think its unlikely that that he is in a position to correct Field medalists. But I don't see how that is relevant to a mathematical proof of .9r=1.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 2 2008, 07:49 PM)
A more apt quote for this forum might be: “ In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
Yes, Derek, but what to do when the blind man has a gun and turns out all the lights?
Best,
Raphie
Yes, Derek, but what to do when the blind man has a gun and turns out all the lights?
Best,
Raphie
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"Yay verily, it is said, that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Thus, does he support more blindness, as this also supports his addiction to his own authority." - Godfree the Seer, from The book of Dead shepherds
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QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 10:41 PM)
Yes, Derek, but what to do when the blind man has a gun and turns out all the lights?
Best,
Raphie
Then it is incumbent that those with vision keep the blind away from the light switch.
Best,
Raphie
Then it is incumbent that those with vision keep the blind away from the light switch.
"...thus does he support more blindness..."
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Hey Gorgeous, I don't know if you noticed but I'm not out to save world. It might not deserve saving.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 2 2008, 11:15 PM)
I'm not out to save world. It might not deserve saving.
Scary how right you are, Derek. Shall we just add f**gots and towel**ads to the extermination list? I forgot to mention them before. I mean, of course, we'll add them just for starters. But worry not: We'll be sure to include everyone else on the gene pool destruction list, make no mistake, before the game ends. We'll be real democratic about it that way...
Best,
Raphie
Scary how right you are, Derek. Shall we just add f**gots and towel**ads to the extermination list? I forgot to mention them before. I mean, of course, we'll add them just for starters. But worry not: We'll be sure to include everyone else on the gene pool destruction list, make no mistake, before the game ends. We'll be real democratic about it that way...
Best,
Raphie
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 1 2008, 08:36 AM)
Alphanumeric speaks of Steven A...
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Best,
Raphie
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His ignorance, delusions, lies and blind stupidity disgust me. I hope to heaven and back that he doesn't have children. I don't think his stupidity should remain in the gene pool and I would truely pity anyone unfortunate enough to contain such genes in their own genetic code.
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Best,
Raphie
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 2 2008, 07:49 PM)
A more apt quote for this forum might be: “ In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 2 2008, 10:41 PM)
Yes, Derek, but what to do when the blind man has a gun and turns out all the lights?
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 2 2008, 11:09 PM)
Then it is incumbent that those with vision keep the blind away from the light switch.
Wow. Exceptionally concise and on the mark answer IMHO.
Best,
Raphie
Wow. Exceptionally concise and on the mark answer IMHO.
Best,
Raphie
Hey Raphie,
You're taking all this way too seriously. The world is not going to change. And bleeding heart liberals are not going to make it a better place. Look at history. Rhodesia, South Africa, Somalia, etc.
You're taking all this way too seriously. The world is not going to change. And bleeding heart liberals are not going to make it a better place. Look at history. Rhodesia, South Africa, Somalia, etc.
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 3 2008, 11:41 AM)
Yes, Derek, but what to do when the blind man has a gun and turns out all the lights?
You start a thread tating how disgusted you are by another member's posts, yet you make jokes about blind people.
You are a disgusting hypocrite Raphie Frank.
You start a thread tating how disgusted you are by another member's posts, yet you make jokes about blind people.
You are a disgusting hypocrite Raphie Frank.
QUOTE (N O M+Apr 2 2008, 11:52 PM)
You start a thread tating how disgusted you are by another member's posts, yet you make jokes about blind people.
You are a disgusting hypocrite Raphie Frank.
I reckon he takes after his grandad ..... drawing lewd mammary gland on chalk board in front of young innocent students.
You are a disgusting hypocrite Raphie Frank.
I reckon he takes after his grandad ..... drawing lewd mammary gland on chalk board in front of young innocent students.
Raphie,
Now that I think about it, your last comments kind of annoyed me. So now I agree with the FM.
Now that I think about it, your last comments kind of annoyed me. So now I agree with the FM.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 2 2008, 11:50 PM)
Hey Raphie,
You're taking all this way too seriously. The world is not going to change. And bleeding heart liberals are not going to make it a better place. Look at history. Rhodesia, South Africa, Somalia, etc.
In many ways you are right, Derek, and I appreciate the reality check. Without going into detail, though, I know people who have died for the ignorance of others. It makes it all a bit rather real and sometimes hard to distance myself.
As for reality checks, I'll be honest. As a New Yorker, 9/11, as long ago as it may have been... it was a real wake up call.
If you're interested, here is a little piece I wrote about it...
A Thousand Points of Light Through an Ariadne Maze
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/a-t...n-ariadne-maze/
Best,
Raphie
P.S. Obviously, I have nothing against blind people...
You're taking all this way too seriously. The world is not going to change. And bleeding heart liberals are not going to make it a better place. Look at history. Rhodesia, South Africa, Somalia, etc.
In many ways you are right, Derek, and I appreciate the reality check. Without going into detail, though, I know people who have died for the ignorance of others. It makes it all a bit rather real and sometimes hard to distance myself.
As for reality checks, I'll be honest. As a New Yorker, 9/11, as long ago as it may have been... it was a real wake up call.
If you're interested, here is a little piece I wrote about it...
A Thousand Points of Light Through an Ariadne Maze
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/a-t...n-ariadne-maze/
Best,
Raphie
P.S. Obviously, I have nothing against blind people...
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 3 2008, 12:03 AM)
In many ways you are right, Derek, and I appreciate the reality check. Without going into detail, though, I know people who have died for the ignorance of others. It makes it all a bit rather real and sometimes hard to distance myself.
As for reality checks, I'll be honest. As a New Yorker, 9/11, as long ago as it may have been... it was a real wake up call.
If you're interested, here is a little piece I wrote about it...
A Thousand Points of Light Through an Ariadne Maze
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/a-t...n-ariadne-maze/
Best,
Raphie
Okay Raphie,
I take back my last post.
As for reality checks, I'll be honest. As a New Yorker, 9/11, as long ago as it may have been... it was a real wake up call.
If you're interested, here is a little piece I wrote about it...
A Thousand Points of Light Through an Ariadne Maze
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/a-t...n-ariadne-maze/
Best,
Raphie
Okay Raphie,
I take back my last post.
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Apr 3 2008, 01:03 PM)
P.S. Obviously, I have nothing against blind people...
Yet you were making jokes above. I don't care what you think about blind people, but you have proven you are a hypocrite.
Yet you were making jokes above. I don't care what you think about blind people, but you have proven you are a hypocrite.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Apr 2 2008, 11:15 PM)
Hey Gorgeous, I don't know if you noticed but I'm not out to save world. It might not deserve saving.
The world will save what it can of itself, Derek, and being part of this world, you are also doing the same thing.
Do YOU 'deserve' saving?
g.
The world will save what it can of itself, Derek, and being part of this world, you are also doing the same thing.
Do YOU 'deserve' saving?
g.
You're right g, we are saving Derek for later 
QUOTE (N O M+Apr 3 2008, 01:21 AM)
You're right g, we are saving Derek for later
Just desserts?
g.
Just desserts?
g.
QUOTE (Gorgeous+Apr 3 2008, 01:13 AM)
Do YOU 'deserve' saving?
g.
I've done a lot of good things in my life. I remember once, many years ago, I wrote a guy a summons for fishing without a license.
g.
I've done a lot of good things in my life. I remember once, many years ago, I wrote a guy a summons for fishing without a license.
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