Hi guys,I need more information about Theory of Evolution.I didn't read "Origin of the Species" ,I just red many books that brought me insufficient information.I support this theory just because it matches with my ideas about the process of life.In think that this theory is the only way to explain the origin of life.It would be pleasure for me if you want to acquaint me with niceties of the theory.
Atheist you sound like an Atheist. You make up your mind then ask for info. Evolution offers no information on creation. If you intend to prove that there is no God through evolution you are on the same level of those that try to prove there is a God through no evolution. You both are on the wrong track.
QUOTE (Atheist+Apr 2 2008, 11:57 AM)
Hi guys,I need more information about Theory of Evolution.I didn't read "Origin of the Species" ,I just red many books that brought me insufficient information.I support this theory just because it matches with my ideas about the process of life.In think that this theory is the only way to explain the origin of life.It would be pleasure for me if you want to acquaint me with niceties of the theory.
First off, evolution doesn't deal with the origin of life.
Second, you are already on the wrong path... don't "support" something because it matches your worldview. Study it and see if it makes sense to you.
Third, google is your friend... So is a library card.
First off, evolution doesn't deal with the origin of life.
Second, you are already on the wrong path... don't "support" something because it matches your worldview. Study it and see if it makes sense to you.
Third, google is your friend... So is a library card.
QUOTE (tlocity+Apr 2 2008, 05:13 PM)
Atheist you sound like an Atheist. You make up your mind then ask for info. Evolution offers no information on creation. If you intend to prove that there is no God through evolution you are on the same level of those that try to prove there is a God through no evolution. You both are on the wrong track.
Wow. talk about reading between the lines.... This guy even reads between the atoms of the paper it's written on!
I don't think Atheist mentioned anything about god in his post, in fact, I'm certain he didn't. And he didn't say he'd made up his mind, just that he supports a theory. Hell, I support string theory, but do I think it's true? Nope. I ain't made up my mind yet.
And I never seen anyone try to prove there was no god through evolution. At least not anyone with more than two brain cells in their head.'
And Yeah, Evolution doesn't address the origins of life. That's called "biogenesis" in general, and the idea that life came from non-living materials is called "abiogenesis."
Wow. talk about reading between the lines.... This guy even reads between the atoms of the paper it's written on!
I don't think Atheist mentioned anything about god in his post, in fact, I'm certain he didn't. And he didn't say he'd made up his mind, just that he supports a theory. Hell, I support string theory, but do I think it's true? Nope. I ain't made up my mind yet.
And I never seen anyone try to prove there was no god through evolution. At least not anyone with more than two brain cells in their head.'
And Yeah, Evolution doesn't address the origins of life. That's called "biogenesis" in general, and the idea that life came from non-living materials is called "abiogenesis."
MjolnirPants You don’t even read what is there. I said if. It seems that you lack an education on the subject of evolution as well as the history of Atheist on this form.
As soon as the theory of evolution came out the atheist tried to use it to prove that God was not needed for man to exist. Try reading some history.
As soon as the theory of evolution came out the atheist tried to use it to prove that God was not needed for man to exist. Try reading some history.
QUOTE (tlocity+Apr 3 2008, 07:49 AM)
As soon as the theory of evolution came out the atheist tried to use it to prove that God was not needed for man to exist. Try reading some history.
And for the same reason, self righteous religious gits like you deny it because it undermines the entire basis of your religion.
And for the same reason, self righteous religious gits like you deny it because it undermines the entire basis of your religion.
There are two more sensible religions supported by half of population of the world-Christianity and Islam.But a man having ability to analyse the facts can not accept religions because these religions fake idelologies just can work up to certain time.I appreciate Jesus and Muhammed because ideas of these two man aimed only to serve for goodness of humanity.I need not to have a God like offered by religions.Belief in God is the weakness period of Evolution for humanbeings.
So people,God doesn't create everything by unknown methods.
P.S I think I've not got the nessesary answer.Yeah google but I waste my time with it.Books,journals or lectures??I trust in your knowlodge.
At the end,I apologize for this post.
So people,God doesn't create everything by unknown methods.
P.S I think I've not got the nessesary answer.Yeah google but I waste my time with it.Books,journals or lectures??I trust in your knowlodge.
At the end,I apologize for this post.
In sum:
each generation contains a combination of genes from the parents, coupled with a bit of random mutation. This means that the offspring are different from each other, and different from the parents.
Each generation, the success of the offspring is partially determined by their genes. So, each generation there's differential success of the offspring.
This means that each generation, a species changes a little bit.
each generation contains a combination of genes from the parents, coupled with a bit of random mutation. This means that the offspring are different from each other, and different from the parents.
Each generation, the success of the offspring is partially determined by their genes. So, each generation there's differential success of the offspring.
This means that each generation, a species changes a little bit.
Evolution is dead, Creation is dead
All that is alive/was alive is one single super-organism.
see
http://www.physorg.com/news126893405.html
The DNA is a fractal wherein there is code for all creatures great and small from then to now. From seed to flower.... and also the "timing" sequence of unfolding.
There is no junk coding in DNA, nor will earthlings be able to decode it, except for the obvious one to one expressions.
Telos
All that is alive/was alive is one single super-organism.
see
http://www.physorg.com/news126893405.html
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The Human Genome Project revealed that only a small fraction of the 3 billion “letter” DNA code actually instructs cells to manufacture proteins, the workhorses of most life processes.
This has raised the question of what the remaining part of the human genome does.
This has raised the question of what the remaining part of the human genome does.
The DNA is a fractal wherein there is code for all creatures great and small from then to now. From seed to flower.... and also the "timing" sequence of unfolding.
There is no junk coding in DNA, nor will earthlings be able to decode it, except for the obvious one to one expressions.
Telos
Thnx for all who posted and want to post.
Just to add, evolution is a process of life. The origin of life is an entirely different subject with several competing theories from religious to ice hydrates to oceanic thermal vents to tide pools. All of them offer a possible path for life to start, however finding proof of one particular starting point may be impossible.
I think we are talking about a very different Planet than the one we occupy today, when in the realm of 'life-origin'. Possibly the only way to confirm any theories on the subject would be to one day stumble across another Planet with the same 'proto-conditions' as the Earth had way back then.
Would DNA (RNA) survive a super-nova from within the range of a closer-by star, and find its way here, hitching a ride on some debris from the explosion? Speculation, but is it impossible?
g.
Would DNA (RNA) survive a super-nova from within the range of a closer-by star, and find its way here, hitching a ride on some debris from the explosion? Speculation, but is it impossible?
g.
I think the two main things that people don't understand about evolution are the ratcheting effect of natural selection and probability theory.
Natural selection is the driving force of evolution not randomness which anti-evolution people believe is. I would describe randomness as the fuel, and natural selection as the rest of the vehicle.
In another thread I asked someone "what are the odds of someone winning the next Canadian loto 6/49?"
If you give an answer to that question I will explain why I asked and why I think it's important to understand, if you want to understand evolution.
And @ Georgeous, I don't know the answer to your question but I would check to see what is needed to sterilize medical instruments when dealing with prions. I think it would take a similar amount to destroy DNA(RNA).
Natural selection is the driving force of evolution not randomness which anti-evolution people believe is. I would describe randomness as the fuel, and natural selection as the rest of the vehicle.
In another thread I asked someone "what are the odds of someone winning the next Canadian loto 6/49?"
If you give an answer to that question I will explain why I asked and why I think it's important to understand, if you want to understand evolution.
And @ Georgeous, I don't know the answer to your question but I would check to see what is needed to sterilize medical instruments when dealing with prions. I think it would take a similar amount to destroy DNA(RNA).
Hoyle gives a very useful lesson about prediction in science. An astronomer produced a mathematical formula that accurately predicted the number of sunspots over the whole of a century. But the formula failed completely when new data came in. Hoyle concludes that it is easy to find a formula that fits the data, but difficult to invent one that predicts future events. Hoyle's life from space theory predicts resistance to high doses of radiation. Such a bacterium has been found: Micrococcus radiophilus. Another was found living in a nuclear reactor! [21].
[21] Space is hostile to life as Hoyle notes: X-rays and UV-rays are destructive for life. Space is not an optimal environment for life.
While I was preparing this review an important article appeared in Science (1) about Deinococcus radiodurans which is the most radiation resistant organism on Earth. The bacterium does not have some mysterious property. Since radiation induces DNA damage, the damage needs to be repaired. All organisms have repair mechanisms, but this bacterium has very efficient DNA-repair machinery,
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'The Intelligent Universe' appears to be a mix of good and bad Darwin-criticism, an alternative evolutionary theory and Intelligent Design Theory, driven by a mix of scientific, moral and religious (3) motives. Hoyle's theories range from closely connected to data to highly abstract and speculative. In this book Hoyle appears to be a forerunner of Creationism and IDT (4). This book was published two years before Denton (1985): 'Evolution. A Theory in crisis', which inspired many creationists. I did give a detailed summary of The Intelligent Universe because the book is not available anymore, and is an important source for now famous anti-Darwinism arguments such as the Boeing-747 analogy.
Notes:
Fred Hoyle died on 20 August 2001 at the age of 86.
Genome Sequence of the Radioresistant Bacterium Deinococcus radiodurans R1, Science Nov 19 1999: 1571-1577.
Jon Copley: "Indestructible", New Scientist 23 Oct 1999, p45-46.
Tardigrades can withstand pressures six times greater than those at the bottom of the ocean and endure temperatures ranging from more than 100°C down to absolute zero; can shrug off lethal radiation, survive in a vacuum and go without water for more than a century.
According to Robert Shapiro (1986) Origins. A Skeptic Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, p245, Hoyle and Wickramasinghe moved from a scientific to an "essentially religious position in the 1980s". Shapiro gives a useful overview of the work of H & W in Chapter nine.
see Dean Overman (1997): "By his own admission, Hoyle's atheism was dramatically disturbed when he calculated the odds against these precisely matched resonances existing by chance", p129. However Hoyle did not start as an atheist, on the contrary. Hoyle had a christian education. See for an opposite 'admission' the Preface of his The Mathematics of Evolution.
Nick Lane (2002) Oxygen. The Molecule that made the World, pp 125-127. See also: Susan T. Lovett (2006) 'Resurrecting a broken genome', Nature Vol 443|5 October 2006 p.517-519.
A surprising new theory and experimental findings by Hauke Trinks who proposes that life began in sea ice: Nature.
Further Reading~~~~~~
~I'd recommend Rare Earth{and Showtopic= 20875 where probability is put for useful science and not Buttershug's wishful thinking}, though I haven't read Brownlee's and Ward's book!
MrB.
But here is the website for the above.
http://home.wxs.nl/~gkorthof/kortho47.htm
Explain it to me as a materialist:Are ideas part of materia?
if yes,why does materia force us to recognize himsef?Does our mind converge to anywhere?
P.S.But these sentences seems to be written by idealist:)
if yes,why does materia force us to recognize himsef?Does our mind converge to anywhere?
P.S.But these sentences seems to be written by idealist:)
Evolution is not a 'theory'. It is a measurement of motion of Space; a Natural process of the movement of what exists.
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Within this non-theory, natural selection has been the mathematical measurement.
This achievement was Fisher's I believe. Hoyle had a problem with Fisher. Yockey had a problem with Hoyle's measurement. It doesn't look good for natural selection. Supernatural selection is my Devolution plan.
MrB.
This achievement was Fisher's I believe. Hoyle had a problem with Fisher. Yockey had a problem with Hoyle's measurement. It doesn't look good for natural selection. Supernatural selection is my Devolution plan.
MrB.
Look guys, there is no point arguing..discussing or conjecturing
Evolution is dead, and so is creationism....
LIFE has come to Earth, and is present in other places in the Universe... 100%
The seeds of LIFE have been found, tested and identified.... these seeds can travel across the Universe irrespective of time or conditions....
all they need to germinate is a rock at a suitable distance from a heat source...
They then grow, set up camp by detoxifying the environment (creating water and oxygen), and differentiate into what you find on Earth... a myriad of inter-supporting, total niche exploiting life forms... all of one purpose to seed .... the super-organism undergoes a life cycle ,,, then it seeds again to spread spores across the Universe.... ready to infect another suitable rock.
Science has destroyed religion. So give it up guys, y'all are aliens, and LIFE is not so special, and certainly life on Earth is insignificant.
All science has been given to y'all... just observe and play... and in your play you fulfill THE PURPOSE.... and before you realise it... y'all fall down.
Great trick eh..... but you see it in all perennial organisms. Might as well pick a flower while you are able
LOL
Evolution is dead, and so is creationism....
LIFE has come to Earth, and is present in other places in the Universe... 100%
The seeds of LIFE have been found, tested and identified.... these seeds can travel across the Universe irrespective of time or conditions....
all they need to germinate is a rock at a suitable distance from a heat source...
They then grow, set up camp by detoxifying the environment (creating water and oxygen), and differentiate into what you find on Earth... a myriad of inter-supporting, total niche exploiting life forms... all of one purpose to seed .... the super-organism undergoes a life cycle ,,, then it seeds again to spread spores across the Universe.... ready to infect another suitable rock.
Science has destroyed religion. So give it up guys, y'all are aliens, and LIFE is not so special, and certainly life on Earth is insignificant.
All science has been given to y'all... just observe and play... and in your play you fulfill THE PURPOSE.... and before you realise it... y'all fall down.
Great trick eh..... but you see it in all perennial organisms. Might as well pick a flower while you are able
LOL
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
Evolution is dead, and so is creationism....
Wrong. Only creationism is dead. Evolution is alive and kicking, and it's been demonstrated time and time again. Everywhere creationism has failed, evolution has prospered.
Will your inanities ever cease?
Will your inanities ever cease?
Great trick eh..... but you see it in all perennial organisms. Might as well pick a flower while you are able
LOL
Whatever, loser.
Wait a minute. Didn't you say you were going to "stop wasting" your time here? How's that coming?
That is what Rare Earth {at least that is my understanding} aims to answer in some falsifiable and hence scientific manner.
I like Chris McKay's quip, "Life is dangling on a fragile thread, and that thread is liquid water."
MrB.
May Zarky and his metal-free tribe be baptized near his home planet.
*Waves* Come back soon!
so true... LOL, but water is supposed to be, LOL, everywhere....
LIFE is already "everywhere", just not close to here..... the Universe is a rather big place, LOL
so true... LOL, but water is supposed to be, LOL, everywhere....
LIFE is already "everywhere", just not close to here..... the Universe is a rather big place, LOL
baptized near his home planet
Super-organism LIFE... does not negateGOD The Creator
it just makes GOD The Creator completely unknowable, it makes human-kind totally up themselves and redundant, it makes all religions a load of twiddletwot
[Oh there is onereligion philosophy, that is eternally valid... but it is only knowable by sane organisms... this philosophy is called "The Doctrine Of No Words" and has the clear direct common conscience (ROM) as its base]
Such knowledge that LIFE is eternal makes eternity quite nice really.... Life forms never die, as long as LIFE has a twinkle in its eye !!!
hiya Camponmile (sp ?)
Rational dreaming IS reality.... or will be reality if we wish it... ie via endeavour.
All is given...where else do you think it could come from?
Rational dreaming IS reality.... or will be reality if we wish it... ie via endeavour.
All is given...where else do you think it could come from?
if yes,why does materia force us to recognize himsef?Does our mind converge to anywhere?
We are part of a super-organism...we are constrained by the purpose of that organism... as much as a skin cell on your knee is tasked with keeping you safe and you keeping it safe. Each life form is so tasked... and the convergence is to survive to seed... for self and for the super-organism.
We are not alone and we know it... we just don't understand...
Do you think that skin cell on your knee understands ?? and yet it happily just does its thing....
Wrong. Only creationism is dead. Evolution is alive and kicking, and it's been demonstrated time and time again. Everywhere creationism has failed, evolution has prospered.
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Science has destroyed religion. So give it up guys, y'all are aliens
Will your inanities ever cease?
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| Science has destroyed religion. So give it up guys, y'all are aliens |
Will your inanities ever cease?
Great trick eh..... but you see it in all perennial organisms. Might as well pick a flower while you are able
LOL
Whatever, loser.
Wait a minute. Didn't you say you were going to "stop wasting" your time here? How's that coming?
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LIFE is not so special,
That is what Rare Earth {at least that is my understanding} aims to answer in some falsifiable and hence scientific manner.
I like Chris McKay's quip, "Life is dangling on a fragile thread, and that thread is liquid water."
MrB.
May Zarky and his metal-free tribe be baptized near his home planet.
*Waves* Come back soon!
QUOTE
"Life is dangling on a fragile thread, and that thread is liquid water."
so true... LOL, but water is supposed to be, LOL, everywhere....
LIFE is already "everywhere", just not close to here..... the Universe is a rather big place, LOL
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| "Life is dangling on a fragile thread, and that thread is liquid water." |
so true... LOL, but water is supposed to be, LOL, everywhere....
LIFE is already "everywhere", just not close to here..... the Universe is a rather big place, LOL
baptized near his home planet
Super-organism LIFE... does not negate
it just makes GOD The Creator completely unknowable, it makes human-kind totally up themselves and redundant, it makes all religions a load of twiddletwot
[Oh there is one
Such knowledge that LIFE is eternal makes eternity quite nice really.... Life forms never die, as long as LIFE has a twinkle in its eye !!!
hiya Camponmile (sp ?)
Hi Zarkov
I cannot say I have read much of what you have written in other threads.
as to the uniqueness of planet earth. I wonder if the perspective of the universe is narrower than you might think. I'm not saying that life could exist on other planets ,. that's far from provable one way or the other, but why and how we exist on earth is different.If we are affected by every other mass in the universe, then every other planet type structure will be affected similarly.
It stands to reason is that earth occupies a unique position in respect to every other mass and structure. If any other structure had life on it , the boundaries would likely affect the end result. So the narrowness of the boundaries that created "life on planet earth " are not transferable.
Cheers
Iseason
I cannot say I have read much of what you have written in other threads.
as to the uniqueness of planet earth. I wonder if the perspective of the universe is narrower than you might think. I'm not saying that life could exist on other planets ,. that's far from provable one way or the other, but why and how we exist on earth is different.If we are affected by every other mass in the universe, then every other planet type structure will be affected similarly.
It stands to reason is that earth occupies a unique position in respect to every other mass and structure. If any other structure had life on it , the boundaries would likely affect the end result. So the narrowness of the boundaries that created "life on planet earth " are not transferable.
Cheers
Iseason
...so,what about my questions?? 
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Explain it to me as a materialist:Are ideas part of materia?
Rational dreaming IS reality.... or will be reality if we wish it... ie via endeavour.
All is given...where else do you think it could come from?
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Explain it to me as a materialist:Are ideas part of materia? |
Rational dreaming IS reality.... or will be reality if we wish it... ie via endeavour.
All is given...where else do you think it could come from?
if yes,why does materia force us to recognize himsef?Does our mind converge to anywhere?
We are part of a super-organism...we are constrained by the purpose of that organism... as much as a skin cell on your knee is tasked with keeping you safe and you keeping it safe. Each life form is so tasked... and the convergence is to survive to seed... for self and for the super-organism.
We are not alone and we know it... we just don't understand...
Do you think that skin cell on your knee understands ?? and yet it happily just does its thing....
'Evolution' affects all things, 'organic' or not. Rocks have 'evolution'. Without the trace minerals in rocks, other forms of more 'organic' existence could not exist in the ways we observe them to, if at all. If it were not for 'gaseous states of being', things would not be the way they are.
There is no 'purpose' to this way of existing. It happens because it possibly can.
No'thing' that exists can do so 'alone', but is dependent upon its surroundings to 'mould' it into the thing it currently exists as. To give any given 'thing' attention is to give it 'power', just as the Sun gives the Earth 'attention'.
g.
There is no 'purpose' to this way of existing. It happens because it possibly can.
No'thing' that exists can do so 'alone', but is dependent upon its surroundings to 'mould' it into the thing it currently exists as. To give any given 'thing' attention is to give it 'power', just as the Sun gives the Earth 'attention'.
g.
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 26 2008, 10:40 AM)
Do you think that skin cell on your knee understands ?? and yet it happily just does its thing....
Maybe you skin cells on your knees ... but not mine. They refuse to do their "thing". I'm constantly having to chastise them for sloughing off or skinning themselves. I beg them to stay moist and supple yet they insist on becoming dry and parched.
If I have to moisturize them then I ask you where is the moisturizer for humanity? Why doesn't the grand super-organism to which we are all enslaved for this purpose which we cannot understand grease the damn wheels of humanity from time to time? It doesn't because such metaphysical sophistry about universal grand plans (and being part of the whole etc ...) are simply excrement from a male bovine.
Our existence is exactly what it appears to be. It is random. DNA doesn't have a grand plan except to say that it luckily organized itself for continued propagation. Such a thing is a "law". It isn't a "plan". It happens when enough random factors converge through chaos to allow it to happen. Here isn't the only place it can or probably has happened. We are insignificant.
Row Row Row Your Boat
Gently Down the Stream
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
Life is But a Dream ... is a cute and whimsical way to see the Universe but it simply isn't true. Our individual (and even group) existence has no grand meaning or purpose. We give it purpose as we define things that "taste" good to our minds but those purposes are just as transient as our existence. They have no virtue per se ...
Just accept your existence and revel in the luck of sentience. When you talk to your goldfish say, "HA HA ... look I have thumbs and you don't!!!" while sticking out your tongue at him.
Maybe you skin cells on your knees ... but not mine. They refuse to do their "thing". I'm constantly having to chastise them for sloughing off or skinning themselves. I beg them to stay moist and supple yet they insist on becoming dry and parched.
If I have to moisturize them then I ask you where is the moisturizer for humanity? Why doesn't the grand super-organism to which we are all enslaved for this purpose which we cannot understand grease the damn wheels of humanity from time to time? It doesn't because such metaphysical sophistry about universal grand plans (and being part of the whole etc ...) are simply excrement from a male bovine.
Our existence is exactly what it appears to be. It is random. DNA doesn't have a grand plan except to say that it luckily organized itself for continued propagation. Such a thing is a "law". It isn't a "plan". It happens when enough random factors converge through chaos to allow it to happen. Here isn't the only place it can or probably has happened. We are insignificant.
Row Row Row Your Boat
Gently Down the Stream
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
Life is But a Dream ... is a cute and whimsical way to see the Universe but it simply isn't true. Our individual (and even group) existence has no grand meaning or purpose. We give it purpose as we define things that "taste" good to our minds but those purposes are just as transient as our existence. They have no virtue per se ...
Just accept your existence and revel in the luck of sentience. When you talk to your goldfish say, "HA HA ... look I have thumbs and you don't!!!" while sticking out your tongue at him.
LOL, you abuse LIFE, your body... it abuses you !!!
Really a single super cell in amongst the untold mega tera trillions is LOL... pushing it to complain
Really a single super cell in amongst the untold mega tera trillions is LOL... pushing it to complain
QUOTE (Atheist+May 26 2008, 06:37 AM)
Explain it to me as a materialist:Are ideas part of materia?
if yes,why does materia force us to recognize himsef?Does our mind converge to anywhere?
P.S.But these sentences seems to be written by idealist:)
Hi Athiest
I have some trouble with your wording . but say The universe did eventually self aware?
So What! I am aware and am nothing like the complexity that exists in the universe. The argument for or against religion tend to fail where God becomes creative and forms humankind. Religion would have you believe that God did so without having to explain the methodology behind the events. For me , the events are far better to explain "the possibility that God might exist".
But I'm far from sitting in the camp that sees God as Merlin the magician wielding a wand. Reality that creates the here and now follows a particular pattern / methodology that means that "intelligence " was reached universally within a chaotic blowout. Only when the blowout was completed could the universe become self aware. Time began somewhat after that and order was created from the chaos by revisiting it in the correct order.
Cheers
Iseason
ps Also like the knee analogy. Hair follows a similar pattern I am currently theorising that hair does not in fact fall out. It is a compression of hair density that , due to global warming, affects only the people who's heads are expanding at the same rate as the oceans
Cheers
Iseason
if yes,why does materia force us to recognize himsef?Does our mind converge to anywhere?
P.S.But these sentences seems to be written by idealist:)
Hi Athiest
I have some trouble with your wording . but say The universe did eventually self aware?
So What! I am aware and am nothing like the complexity that exists in the universe. The argument for or against religion tend to fail where God becomes creative and forms humankind. Religion would have you believe that God did so without having to explain the methodology behind the events. For me , the events are far better to explain "the possibility that God might exist".
But I'm far from sitting in the camp that sees God as Merlin the magician wielding a wand. Reality that creates the here and now follows a particular pattern / methodology that means that "intelligence " was reached universally within a chaotic blowout. Only when the blowout was completed could the universe become self aware. Time began somewhat after that and order was created from the chaos by revisiting it in the correct order.
Cheers
Iseason
ps Also like the knee analogy. Hair follows a similar pattern I am currently theorising that hair does not in fact fall out. It is a compression of hair density that , due to global warming, affects only the people who's heads are expanding at the same rate as the oceans
Cheers
Iseason
QUOTE (Gorgeous+May 26 2008, 11:57 PM)
'Evolution' affects all things, 'organic' or not. Rocks have 'evolution'. Without the trace minerals in rocks, other forms of more 'organic' existence could not exist in the ways we observe them to, if at all. If it were not for 'gaseous states of being', things would not be the way they are.
There is no 'purpose' to this way of existing. It happens because it possibly can.
No'thing' that exists can do so 'alone', but is dependent upon its surroundings to 'mould' it into the thing it currently exists as. To give any given 'thing' attention is to give it 'power', just as the Sun gives the Earth 'attention'.
g.
Why would the Sun " Give Earth attention". and can you explain the personification in this post.
Cheers
Iseason
There is no 'purpose' to this way of existing. It happens because it possibly can.
No'thing' that exists can do so 'alone', but is dependent upon its surroundings to 'mould' it into the thing it currently exists as. To give any given 'thing' attention is to give it 'power', just as the Sun gives the Earth 'attention'.
g.
Why would the Sun " Give Earth attention". and can you explain the personification in this post.
Cheers
Iseason
QUOTE (Gorgeous+May 25 2008, 03:56 PM)
Evolution is not a 'theory'. It is a measurement of motion of Space; a Natural process of the movement of what exists.
g.
Do not mix different definitions of the same word.
You know what "Evolution" means in the context of biology, and it is not the same thing is a star exploding or a galaxy forming or even a rock forming or metamorphing.
Those things involve change, or evolution, but it is not the same thing as the Darwin theory. Do not mix definitions and contexts. These things do not involve a sophisticated chemical language like DNA of the construction of billions of microscopic machines called "cells" and "organelles", etc.
Do rocks and planets and things of this nature change? Of course they do, in that sense they "evolve", but that word has nothing to do with the Darwinian words "Evolve" or "Evolution" in their context.
Also, terms like the "Evolution of:" the Cell phone or computer or automobile are complete misnomers. Cell phones and these other technologies change due to INTELLIGENT DESIGN by human beings refining them, and not semi-random encounters.
g.
Do not mix different definitions of the same word.
You know what "Evolution" means in the context of biology, and it is not the same thing is a star exploding or a galaxy forming or even a rock forming or metamorphing.
Those things involve change, or evolution, but it is not the same thing as the Darwin theory. Do not mix definitions and contexts. These things do not involve a sophisticated chemical language like DNA of the construction of billions of microscopic machines called "cells" and "organelles", etc.
Do rocks and planets and things of this nature change? Of course they do, in that sense they "evolve", but that word has nothing to do with the Darwinian words "Evolve" or "Evolution" in their context.
Also, terms like the "Evolution of:" the Cell phone or computer or automobile are complete misnomers. Cell phones and these other technologies change due to INTELLIGENT DESIGN by human beings refining them, and not semi-random encounters.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 29 2008, 12:22 AM)
Do not mix different definitions of the same word.
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Do rocks and planets and things of this nature change? Of course they do, in that sense they "evolve", but that word has nothing to do with the Darwinian words "Evolve" or "Evolution" in their context.
My, but you're a sharp one, aren't you?
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