30th March 2011 - 12:28 AM
To understand the story of the sixth day in Genesis; one must first understand that two different stories are being told about this sixth day, and yet, these two stories do harmonize. In the first story, this sixth day is involved in the story of heaven and earth, Genesis 2:4-Such is the story of heaven and earth, when they were created. When Yahweh made earth and heaven-; note that the expression “heaven and earth” now appears in the reverse order “earth and heaven” two different stories about the same story, are told about this sixth day. Genesis 1:24a-Yahweh said, “Let the earth bring forth every kind of living creature- The portrait was one in which humans and animals did not compete for food, or consume one another. Humans were vegetarian. All life, human and animal, is sacred to Yahweh, blood is the symbol of life. By understanding these animals were on the earth before Adam; this understanding has led to a lot of different concepts, too much speculation to be taken seriously. Creationists believe that the biological similarities between various species, are due to a common Designer, who designed similar functions for similar purposes in all the various forms of life, from the simplest to the most complex. Evolutionist believe that the biological similarities between species, are evidence of common ancestry between all forms of life; Darwin and his Origin of Species, the Phylogenetic Tree, these are strong evidence of evolution. Consider now the portrait of humans, humans are important, according to which humankind is the goal of the entire process of creation; and in fact, Yahweh’s view of humans really emerges from both these stories, when they’re read together.
Genesis 2:5-6 - When no shrub of the field was yet on earth and no grasses of the field had yet sprouted, because Yahweh had not sent rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the soil, but a flow would well up from the ground and water the whole surface of the earth.
As the fifth day comes to an end, how that fifth day ended, hard to say; but nothing alive, got out alive. Yahweh didn’t send any rain, to water the ending of this fifth day, nothing breathing oxygen, no man to till the soil. As the sixth day begins, a flow would well up from the ground, and water the whole surface of the earth, their was nothing alive on the earth until Genesis 2:7.
Genesis 2:7 - Yahweh formed man from the dust of the earth. He blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.
I have seen a lot of stuff taught about this subject, and it never amazes me how people will not go for this nothing made it out alive, when the fifth a day came to an end?
30th March 2011 - 04:40 AM
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There are a lot of problems with days 1-5, so your discussion of "day 6" is unpersuasive.
Inharmonious events claimed in Genesis 1-2
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Claim: God Created heaven and earth alone (c.f Isaiah 44:24 "I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.")
Claim: God did not create heaven and earth alone, Jesus helped (c.f John 1:10 "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." and 1 Corinthians 8:6 "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.")
Archbishop James Ussher claims the Universe was created in 4004 B.C. but his reasoning is not 100% biblical
Claim: About 13.7 billion years ago the visible universe was much hotter and much more compact that in was today -- so hot and dense that our empirical observations can't say much about its state then, and it expanded, grew cool enough for nuclei with masses below 8 to form, and eventually cooled enough to form transparent empty space, stars and galaxies. Stars created carbon and other high-atomic weight nuclei and would occasionally explode, contaminating the primordial hydrogen and helium. The contaminants formed a huge number of bodies from the gas clouds that condensed to form later stars and one such body in the cloud that condensed to form the sun was the proto-Earth. Throughout, the evidence is consistent with the laws of physics being very much like the are today without evidence of exterior intervention
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Claim: First Earth and Dark, then Light, then Day and Night -- a good deal later, the sun.
Claim: First hot denseness, then uncomfortably warm darkness, then stars lighting the darkness. Billions of years later, when the proto-Earth formed, it had rotational momentum from the original collapsing cloud which would later form its cycle of day and night depended on what part of the surface was facing the sun at the time.
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Claim: There was once a canopy of water hanging above the surface of the Earth.
Claim: There is still the potential for a canopy of water hanging above the surface of the Earth. c.f. Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
Claim: Any such canopy would require support beyond materials known to science. A canopy of any great height would have enormous potential for damage were it to fall. There is no evidence of such a canopy today or ever.
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Claim: Water merely statically laying in basins is the reason why this planet is about 71% water by surface area rather than 100%
Claim: There are 3 main factors to where the shorelines of the world are: a ) Dense Basalt and Magma, b ) Lighter granite continental rock c) Water. The churning of the magma bunches up the continental rock into mountains which weather down into plains. The bunched-up raft of continental rock didn't stay contiguous and broke up, leaving evidence of hundreds of millions of years of continental drift.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Claim: Land plants came before fish and animals and man. Flowering plants came before pollinators
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Claim: Man created before other animals and plants
Claim: The source of the Euphrates river is in Eden
Claim: The source of the Euphrates is the confluence of two rivers originating in eastern Turkey.
Claim: If one eats of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, one will die that same day.
Claim: Adam ate but did not die that same day. c.f. Gen 5:4-5 "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."
Claim: All populations of terrestrial life known today are related by common descent with modification. Natural selection is one of the primary forces behind the illusion of progress in this history, but works just as well in other, less anthropocentric directions. Before plants or animals was a variety of populations of single-celled organisms. While many multi-cellular life forms are easily classified as plant or animal, some straddle the boundary of simple textbook definitions which is a common problem in classification when all organisms are survivors of an ancient family that includes both redwoods and cheetahs. While algae might have colonized the land in scummy pools or mud roughly 1.8 billion years ago, it wasn't until about 0.45 billion years ago that the oldest evidence of plants on land was left, with plants with seeds not coming until about 0.38 billion years ago, but there is no evidence of fruit or flowers until about 0.13 billion years ago. Multicellular life got a foothold 1.7 billion years ago, with the oldest aquatic animal fossil dating to about 0.58 billion years, and the oldest land animals roughly contemporaneous with the emergence of land plants (0.47 billion years) and long before the first fruit.
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Claim: Astrology is reliable c.f. Judges 5:20 "The stars in their courses fought against Sisera." Matthew 2:1-2 "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him." Luke 21:25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars."
Claim: God hates astrology. c.f. Leviticus 19:26 "Neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times." Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you any ... that useth divination, or an observer of times.... For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD." Isaiah 47:13-14 "Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it." Jeremiah 10:2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." Zephaniah 1:4-5 "I will cut off ... them that worship the host of heaven."
Claim: Astrology is bunk
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Claim: The Sun, Moon and Stars came into existence after the creation of the Earth and the day-night cycle and land plants.
Claim: Stars came first, then the proto-sun and proto-earth. Probably after the Sun ignited, a large body smacked the Earth, ionized its atmosphere and formed the moon. Speculation is that this event is one of the reasons the Earth has active plate tectonics to this day. In any event, the moon was formed billions of years before land plants arose.
Claim: The moon is a lesser light
Claim: The moon, like the other planets, mostly just reflects the light of the sun. The lunar soils has a lot of glassy drops formed by collisions and this is part of the reason the moon has an unearthly luster.
Claim: The motion of the heavens control the seasons, the constellations are authored signs
Claim: The particular motions of the Earth about the sun and about its own axis control the seasonal change in illumination per square meter which drives the seasonal weather patters and the changing direction of what direction the zenith points at midnight. Far from being authored, the constellations have no physical proximity and or statistically detected order and their stars are in motion such that the constellations today differ
Claim: The moon is to rule the night
Claim: Half the time the moon is out during daylight, yet the sun is practically never seen at night.
Claim: The stars are to give light upon the earth.
Claim: Starlight (other than the sun's) is extreme dim for human purposes.
1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Claim: Birds and fish and whales formed before land animals.
Claim: Land animals are descended from early lobe-finned fish and birds and whales are both descended from early land animals.
Claim: Chickens were made from water
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Claim: Other land animals created before man.
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Claim: Other land animals were created after man
Claim: Other land animals were the ancestors of today's population of humans.
Claim: Chickens were made from dirt
Claim: Chickens were made by their parents with distant ancestors being theropods and cousins to T. rex
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Claim: Male and female humanity created at the same time.
2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Claim: Male humanity preceded female humanity by a significant period of time.
Claim: Over the past 2 million years populations of hominids roamed Africa in both sexes as their ancestors had divided male from female hundreds of millions of years ago. Eventually, they invented language and culture and delusions of competence at reasoning.
Claim: It is good for man to touch a woman.
Claim: It is not good for man to touch a woman. 1 Corinthians 7:1,7-8 "It is good for a man not to touch a woman. .. For I would that all men were even as I myself. ... It is good for them if they abide even as I."
Claim: If it is good for the human species to continue, then some men should touch a woman. Misogyny doesn't seem optimal even if your interests aren't geared towards pair-bonding when half your potential source of information and income are women.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Claim: Humans have the right to tell tigers what to do.
Claim: Tigers should be left the f*ck alone.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Claim: Every seed-bearing plant is meant for food.
Claim: The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not meant for food. c.f. Genesis 2:17
Claim: Deadly nightshade is not good food nor are its seeds.
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Claim: Six days, authored by God, seventh day is holy.
Claim: Adam created before plants, animals and Eve.
Claim: 13.7 billion years, no evidence of signs, plants and other animals hundreds of millions of years before the first human-like ape, and since the Earth is round and we know the cause of day and night, the property of the holy seventh day must not be a universal constant but merely a local custom created by ignorant provincial people never gone north of the arctic circle.
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