I get so tired of people talking about apes having something to do with evolution. There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family; there is an explanation. Cain married one of the apes of old and became the progenitor of new types of apes. Since this change happened it looks like apes have evolved but they really haven't evolved much. The apes of old were much different than the apes of today and Cains actions were horrible. The abomination that Cain created is why God decreed that man and animal could no longer reproduce together.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 03:34 PM)
I get so tired of people talking about apes having something to do with evolution. There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family; there is an explanation. Cain married one of the apes of old and became the progenitor of new types of apes. Since this change happened it looks like apes have evolved but they really haven't evolved much. The apes of old were much different than the apes of today and Cains actions were horrible. The abomination that Cain created is why God decreed that man and animal could no longer reproduce together.
HOLY JESUS MOTHER MARY OF GOD....
Boy, what have you been smoking?
Whatever it is, keep it to yourself, and tell me that you have not procreated with an ape... PLEASE TELL ME that you have not procreated with a monkey...
I thought you were a fine upstanding christian, now you are telling me that you are bu** fu**ing monkeys!
What's next for you "Bringer of Lite (beer)"? What new atrocities against god are you going to do next?
Man, I am going to stay away from your sinful self....
OooooOOOooooooo scawy.
MM
HOLY JESUS MOTHER MARY OF GOD....
Boy, what have you been smoking?
Whatever it is, keep it to yourself, and tell me that you have not procreated with an ape... PLEASE TELL ME that you have not procreated with a monkey...
I thought you were a fine upstanding christian, now you are telling me that you are bu** fu**ing monkeys!
What's next for you "Bringer of Lite (beer)"? What new atrocities against god are you going to do next?
Man, I am going to stay away from your sinful self....
OooooOOOooooooo scawy.
MM
That's awesome.
How did all the different ape species appear, though? If there was an 'old ape' that bred a 'new type' of ape, then why are there multiple 'new types' of apes?
How did all the different ape species appear, though? If there was an 'old ape' that bred a 'new type' of ape, then why are there multiple 'new types' of apes?
What happened to that atheist open mindedness. I try to bring in an idea that was set upon by Biblical study. MMarauder where did I say that I slept with apes? Why can't you address my post?
As far as the different types of apes go I would theorize that Cain and the ape had multiple children and that these children became individual ape tribes similar to the tribes of israel. The apes also have changed some over the years. This explains their similarity to us and why they are fodder for evolution.
As far as the different types of apes go I would theorize that Cain and the ape had multiple children and that these children became individual ape tribes similar to the tribes of israel. The apes also have changed some over the years. This explains their similarity to us and why they are fodder for evolution.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 03:34 PM)
The abomination that Cain created is why God decreed that man and animal could no longer reproduce together.
But you like trying, I'll wager.
deviant fuckzoid! 
But you like trying, I'll wager.
deviant fuckzoid!
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 04:27 PM)
What happened to that atheist open mindedness. I try to bring in an idea that was set upon by Biblical study. MMarauder where did I say that I slept with apes? Why can't you address my post?
As far as the different types of apes go I would theorize that Cain and the ape had multiple children and that these children became individual ape tribes similar to the tribes of israel. The apes also have changed some over the years. This explains their similarity to us and why they are fodder for evolution.
Bringer of Lite (beer). Do you have any concept of just how you sound when you bring up the concept of cross breeding with apes?
When was the last time you saw some one shagging a monkey? then coming up with a kid out of that?
It does, however, bring up your absolute lack of familiarity and education with the entire concept of evolution.
You are trying to tie the bible into some oddball form of science, and it ain't working boss.
Your bible is nothing more than a string of fables passed down for generations, finally put to paper, then suddenly an emporer from rome decided that it should be holy...
Stick to religion, Bringer of Lite (beer), and leave the science (especially the history of the human race) to those that are truly interested in discovering what this wonderful universe is all about.
MM
As far as the different types of apes go I would theorize that Cain and the ape had multiple children and that these children became individual ape tribes similar to the tribes of israel. The apes also have changed some over the years. This explains their similarity to us and why they are fodder for evolution.
Bringer of Lite (beer). Do you have any concept of just how you sound when you bring up the concept of cross breeding with apes?
When was the last time you saw some one shagging a monkey? then coming up with a kid out of that?
It does, however, bring up your absolute lack of familiarity and education with the entire concept of evolution.
You are trying to tie the bible into some oddball form of science, and it ain't working boss.
Your bible is nothing more than a string of fables passed down for generations, finally put to paper, then suddenly an emporer from rome decided that it should be holy...
Stick to religion, Bringer of Lite (beer), and leave the science (especially the history of the human race) to those that are truly interested in discovering what this wonderful universe is all about.
MM
QUOTE (Delia+Jun 27 2008, 04:32 PM)
But you like trying, I'll wager. deviant fuckzoid!
Delia I love it when you talk like that... Especially about Bringer of Lite (beer)
Thank you for the giggle.
MM
deviant fuckzoid! Delia I love it when you talk like that... Especially about Bringer of Lite (beer)
Thank you for the giggle.
MM
Apes of old, in general with evolution, will always construct an advancing ramp, with each wave of evolution.
*Technically, mankind as he is now expressed, is a direct product of non-Earth origened intervention.
So mankind as he she is consided now, is a bonded componeted affair.
Ape will always adopt a more advanced phase of evolution, as they too are subject to the advancing wave of new evolutionary formats.
*Mankind as he is expressed as of now, regardless of the situational technical problems that he is manifested in, must NOT be in proximity of newly developing other ape species, as mans hybrid status, as being parts of other being creatures, is impacted, influenced, by the wave of evolution and possible co-contamination from this new oncoming wave...?
So conversely, since it has been shown in one snip-it, that a known species of large ape who was formerly known to hate water touching his skin, is now seen swimming in water, with sharpened sticks, used to stab and retrieve fish.
I cannot express the amount of danger that current hybrid mankind is in now, with reference to this closeness of the evolutionary biological wave and possible contamination, primarily because a mass bio-wave will in turn, affect all simians.
*So therefor, a very rapid association with a plethora of many varied aliens that would land in publicly known and allowed zoned areas is necessary.
I DO NOT SUGGEST, that by any agency, regardless of who they might be, that using ground up after products of current Earthbound mankind would be deemed as feasible, due to the recurrent memory phenomenon, found to be housed in the RNA soup, alone.
This would mean that if Earth-based man is to survive as he is, that very mass off-world contacts MUST BE PUBLIC ALLY ALLOWED NOW, in order for the now authenticated known hybrid man, to retain some or most of his hers characters..?!
NO' THIS IS NOT A JOKE!
*Technically, mankind as he is now expressed, is a direct product of non-Earth origened intervention.
So mankind as he she is consided now, is a bonded componeted affair.
Ape will always adopt a more advanced phase of evolution, as they too are subject to the advancing wave of new evolutionary formats.
*Mankind as he is expressed as of now, regardless of the situational technical problems that he is manifested in, must NOT be in proximity of newly developing other ape species, as mans hybrid status, as being parts of other being creatures, is impacted, influenced, by the wave of evolution and possible co-contamination from this new oncoming wave...?
So conversely, since it has been shown in one snip-it, that a known species of large ape who was formerly known to hate water touching his skin, is now seen swimming in water, with sharpened sticks, used to stab and retrieve fish.
I cannot express the amount of danger that current hybrid mankind is in now, with reference to this closeness of the evolutionary biological wave and possible contamination, primarily because a mass bio-wave will in turn, affect all simians.
*So therefor, a very rapid association with a plethora of many varied aliens that would land in publicly known and allowed zoned areas is necessary.
I DO NOT SUGGEST, that by any agency, regardless of who they might be, that using ground up after products of current Earthbound mankind would be deemed as feasible, due to the recurrent memory phenomenon, found to be housed in the RNA soup, alone.
This would mean that if Earth-based man is to survive as he is, that very mass off-world contacts MUST BE PUBLIC ALLY ALLOWED NOW, in order for the now authenticated known hybrid man, to retain some or most of his hers characters..?!
NO' THIS IS NOT A JOKE!
I clarified that God stopped the process and that explains why it doesn't happen now.
Another theory might be that the mark Cain received from God so that people would recognize was becoming an ape. I don't think this is likely but it is possible. Cain probably just reproduced with an ape as a man. How else do you explain him finding a wife when there were no people aside from Adam and his family?
Another theory might be that the mark Cain received from God so that people would recognize was becoming an ape. I don't think this is likely but it is possible. Cain probably just reproduced with an ape as a man. How else do you explain him finding a wife when there were no people aside from Adam and his family?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 04:48 PM)
I clarified that God stopped the process and that explains why it doesn't happen now.
Another theory might be that the mark Cain received from God so that people would recognize was becoming an ape. I don't think this is likely but it is possible. Cain probably just reproduced with an ape as a man. How else do you explain him finding a wife when there were no people aside from Adam and his family?
Goddidit
and if there were no people, well mr. christian, it falls to you to explain it...
No one else here buys that story. hypothesis, or whatever you call it...
Got it?
So now, you got some 'splainin to do Lucy...
Sit back folks, this should be gooooooood.
MM
Another theory might be that the mark Cain received from God so that people would recognize was becoming an ape. I don't think this is likely but it is possible. Cain probably just reproduced with an ape as a man. How else do you explain him finding a wife when there were no people aside from Adam and his family?
Goddidit
and if there were no people, well mr. christian, it falls to you to explain it...
No one else here buys that story. hypothesis, or whatever you call it...
Got it?
So now, you got some 'splainin to do Lucy...
Sit back folks, this should be gooooooood.
MM
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 10:34 AM)
I get so tired of people talking about apes having something to do with evolution. There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family; there is an explanation. Cain married one of the apes of old and became the progenitor of new types of apes. Since this change happened it looks like apes have evolved but they really haven't evolved much. The apes of old were much different than the apes of today and Cains actions were horrible. The abomination that Cain created is why God decreed that man and animal could no longer reproduce together.
You can't be serious. You must be a troll trying to make Christians look stupid.
Even I think it's obvious that Cain married his sister. Just because Cain and Able are the two kids that are mentioned, nowhere does it say that they are the only two kids Adam and Eve had.
And I don't even believe the story.
You can't be serious. You must be a troll trying to make Christians look stupid.
Even I think it's obvious that Cain married his sister. Just because Cain and Able are the two kids that are mentioned, nowhere does it say that they are the only two kids Adam and Eve had.
And I don't even believe the story.
The apes of today and their similarity to us serves as evidence for my theory. There were no other people yet Cain found a wife. Either you come up with a better alternative or accept that this makes apes worthless to the theory of evolution.
No women, yet Cain found a wife + the similarity of apes to modern man = support for my hypothesis.
Try to be serious MMarauder and debate me on issues instead of attacking me.
No women, yet Cain found a wife + the similarity of apes to modern man = support for my hypothesis.
Try to be serious MMarauder and debate me on issues instead of attacking me.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 05:09 PM)
The apes of today and their similarity to us serves as evidence for my theory. There were no other people yet Cain found a wife. Either you come up with a better alternative or accept that this makes apes worthless to the theory of evolution.
No women, yet Cain found a wife + the similarity of apes to modern man = support for my hypothesis.
Try to be serious MMarauder and debate me on issues instead of attacking me.
Sister... It's called incest today...
How's that float yer boat?
Fuc*ing your sister would make more sense than f*cking a 400lb gorilla, would it not? That big monkey might want more than you could offer... and may not let you go until you produce...
BwaHAHAHahahHAHAHAhahahahaha
You freakazoid.
No women, yet Cain found a wife + the similarity of apes to modern man = support for my hypothesis.
Try to be serious MMarauder and debate me on issues instead of attacking me.
Sister... It's called incest today...
How's that float yer boat?
Fuc*ing your sister would make more sense than f*cking a 400lb gorilla, would it not? That big monkey might want more than you could offer... and may not let you go until you produce...
BwaHAHAHahahHAHAHAhahahahaha
You freakazoid.
He was shunned by his family fool. He was shunned by every human being on the planet yet he found a wife. Sister isn't an option in this case. If you knew anything about Biblical truth you wouldn't have had to waste this time would you?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 05:23 PM)
He was shunned by his family fool. He was shunned by every human being on the planet yet he found a wife. Sister isn't an option in this case. If you knew anything about Biblical truth you wouldn't have had to waste this time would you?
Ok. simple task.
PROVE IT.
Otherwise, go shag a gorilla and prove that you can have offspring..
(Shudder)
MM
Ok. simple task.
PROVE IT.
Otherwise, go shag a gorilla and prove that you can have offspring..
(Shudder)
MM
You can't procreate with the apes of today but we aren't talking about today are we?
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 02:03 PM)
You can't procreate with the apes of today but we aren't talking about today are we?
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
Nonsense. They (we) are discounting your ideas because they are unscientific. We would discount your ideas whether you were an atheist or a Christian or a Buddhist, because they are unscientific.
Fairy tales and fantasy have no place in science.
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
Nonsense. They (we) are discounting your ideas because they are unscientific. We would discount your ideas whether you were an atheist or a Christian or a Buddhist, because they are unscientific.
Fairy tales and fantasy have no place in science.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 06:03 PM)
You can't procreate with the apes of today but we aren't talking about today are we?
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
No, we are discounting it as you are basing your opinion on tales and legends...
Again, prove that a man shagged a monkey!
A suggestion. Read about "Occams Razor" and apply that theory here.
If you were to have a choice between shagging you sister or shagging a large monkey, which would you choose?
Keep in mind, chances are that neither of these two prospects would be very willing, and the monkey is likely to be a heck of a lot stronger than your sister... or you for that matter.
Kick that around
To help, here is the definition of Occams Razor:
This is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.
MM
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
No, we are discounting it as you are basing your opinion on tales and legends...
Again, prove that a man shagged a monkey!
A suggestion. Read about "Occams Razor" and apply that theory here.
If you were to have a choice between shagging you sister or shagging a large monkey, which would you choose?
Keep in mind, chances are that neither of these two prospects would be very willing, and the monkey is likely to be a heck of a lot stronger than your sister... or you for that matter.
Kick that around
To help, here is the definition of Occams Razor:
This is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.
MM
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 01:03 PM)
You can't procreate with the apes of today but we aren't talking about today are we?
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
If you were an "atheist" scientist you wouldn't be bringing Cain into a scientific hypothesis.
But even when I was a Christian I would've thought it was a stupid idea.
You can't be serious.
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
If you were an "atheist" scientist you wouldn't be bringing Cain into a scientific hypothesis.
But even when I was a Christian I would've thought it was a stupid idea.
You can't be serious.
QUOTE (gmilam+Jun 27 2008, 06:13 PM)
If you were an "atheist" scientist you wouldn't be bringing Cain into a scientific hypothesis.
But even when I was a Christian I would've thought it was a stupid idea.
You can't be serious.
Oh, he is quite serious...
which is scarier than he**.
Which obviously, is EXACTLY where I am heading unless I choose in to his religious following...
Oofdah.
No wonder I chose out...
MM
But even when I was a Christian I would've thought it was a stupid idea.
You can't be serious.
Oh, he is quite serious...
which is scarier than he**.
Which obviously, is EXACTLY where I am heading unless I choose in to his religious following...
Oofdah.
No wonder I chose out...
MM
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 11:34 AM)
I get so tired of people talking about apes having something to do with evolution. There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family; there is an explanation. Cain married one of the apes of old and became the progenitor of new types of apes. Since this change happened it looks like apes have evolved but they really haven't evolved much. The apes of old were much different than the apes of today and Cains actions were horrible. The abomination that Cain created is why God decreed that man and animal could no longer reproduce together.
I grew up in church and this is a doctrine I never heard. Only when I ran into some racist Christian types did I hear something like this, but these were off beat groups not mainline denominations.
I grew up in church and this is a doctrine I never heard. Only when I ran into some racist Christian types did I hear something like this, but these were off beat groups not mainline denominations.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 05:09 PM)
The apes of today and their similarity to us serves as evidence for my theory. There were no other people yet Cain found a wife. Either you come up with a better alternative or accept that this makes apes worthless to the theory of evolution.
No women, yet Cain found a wife + the similarity of apes to modern man = support for my hypothesis.
Try to be serious MMarauder and debate me on issues instead of attacking me.
Okay, you've almost got a theory here.
A theory needs to be able to make predictions, though. What predictions does your 'theory' give? (I put quote marks around 'theory' because I don't know yet if it can generate predictions).
For example: does your theory predict that we would find "new" types of apes after humans appeared? There were "older" apes, and then there were "newer" apes. So, there should be a separation in time where newer apes appeared, but after humanity started.
No women, yet Cain found a wife + the similarity of apes to modern man = support for my hypothesis.
Try to be serious MMarauder and debate me on issues instead of attacking me.
Okay, you've almost got a theory here.
A theory needs to be able to make predictions, though. What predictions does your 'theory' give? (I put quote marks around 'theory' because I don't know yet if it can generate predictions).
For example: does your theory predict that we would find "new" types of apes after humans appeared? There were "older" apes, and then there were "newer" apes. So, there should be a separation in time where newer apes appeared, but after humanity started.
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+Jun 27 2008, 01:20 PM)
Oh, he is quite serious...
which is scarier than he**.
Which obviously, is EXACTLY where I am heading unless I choose in to his religious following...
Oofdah.
No wonder I chose out...
MM
I still suspect Poe's law on this one.
But I must admit, it's a very well done piece of performance art.
which is scarier than he**.
Which obviously, is EXACTLY where I am heading unless I choose in to his religious following...
Oofdah.
No wonder I chose out...
MM
I still suspect Poe's law on this one.
But I must admit, it's a very well done piece of performance art.
Still you ignore my arguments MMarauder?
I once read a theory that the story of Genesis is actually a figurative tale of the agricultural revolution. Adam represents man as a whole and Cain/Abel represent the split between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists. Cain being the world dominating agriculturalist used the advent of divided labor and the new concept of the King to take the land of the hunter gatherers and bring it under the plow. Cain killed abel in this sense because the new agricultural culture was convinced that its way was best and that everyone should follow it, while Abel was accepting of difference and did not force others to adhere to his culture.
Do you adhere to such things? Sounds like you do.
I once read a theory that the story of Genesis is actually a figurative tale of the agricultural revolution. Adam represents man as a whole and Cain/Abel represent the split between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists. Cain being the world dominating agriculturalist used the advent of divided labor and the new concept of the King to take the land of the hunter gatherers and bring it under the plow. Cain killed abel in this sense because the new agricultural culture was convinced that its way was best and that everyone should follow it, while Abel was accepting of difference and did not force others to adhere to his culture.
Do you adhere to such things? Sounds like you do.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 06:35 PM)
Still you ignore my arguments MMarauder?
I once read a theory that the story of Genesis is actually a figurative tale of the agricultural revolution. Adam represents man as a whole and Cain/Abel represent the split between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists. Cain being the world dominating agriculturalist used the advent of divided labor and the new concept of the King to take the land of the hunter gatherers and bring it under the plow. Cain killed abel in this sense because the new agricultural culture was convinced that its way was best and that everyone should follow it, while Abel was accepting of difference and did not force others to adhere to his culture.
Do you adhere to such things? Sounds like you do.
Hang on,
I need to load up on Tequila before I begin to duel with you due to your intellectual mastery of the evolutionary theory, and your expertise in biblical studies...
However, my lips may become paralyzed due to the incredible intake of that particular product, and I am not real sure my fingers will function. So, prior to the intake of that "nectar of the gods", let me respond by saying...
Cain and Abel were mythological. stories. legend. made up to keep happy go lucky brainwashed christians in line...
Your theory is based on stories Bringer of Lite (beer). Hard to debate legends, stories, and tales of boogie men gods that will kill you for any reason under the son, only to tell you that they "love you"...
Examples: DIRECTLY FROM YOUR BIBLE...
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
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2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:
Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
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3) Murdering Children
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
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4) Miscellaneous Murders
More of Samson's Murders
(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ***; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)
Peter Kills Two People
There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God." As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)
Mass Murder
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
You Have to Kill
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
The Danites Kill the Next Town
But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)
God Kills Some More
Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)
God Promises More Killing
I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
The Angel of Death
My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Destruction of Ai
Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.
Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.
Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.
When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)
Killing at Jericho
When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)
God Kills an Extended Family
"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)
Mass Murder
The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)
The Angel of Death
That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)
Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Kill the Family of Sinners
And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)
Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
Murder
At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)
Kill All of Babylon
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
Micah Kills a Whole Town
Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)
I adhere to a lot of things, but your religion is not one of them...
MM
I once read a theory that the story of Genesis is actually a figurative tale of the agricultural revolution. Adam represents man as a whole and Cain/Abel represent the split between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists. Cain being the world dominating agriculturalist used the advent of divided labor and the new concept of the King to take the land of the hunter gatherers and bring it under the plow. Cain killed abel in this sense because the new agricultural culture was convinced that its way was best and that everyone should follow it, while Abel was accepting of difference and did not force others to adhere to his culture.
Do you adhere to such things? Sounds like you do.
Hang on,
I need to load up on Tequila before I begin to duel with you due to your intellectual mastery of the evolutionary theory, and your expertise in biblical studies...
However, my lips may become paralyzed due to the incredible intake of that particular product, and I am not real sure my fingers will function. So, prior to the intake of that "nectar of the gods", let me respond by saying...
Cain and Abel were mythological. stories. legend. made up to keep happy go lucky brainwashed christians in line...
Your theory is based on stories Bringer of Lite (beer). Hard to debate legends, stories, and tales of boogie men gods that will kill you for any reason under the son, only to tell you that they "love you"...
Examples: DIRECTLY FROM YOUR BIBLE...
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
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2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:
Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
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3) Murdering Children
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
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4) Miscellaneous Murders
More of Samson's Murders
(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ***; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)
Peter Kills Two People
There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God." As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)
Mass Murder
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
You Have to Kill
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
The Danites Kill the Next Town
But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)
God Kills Some More
Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)
God Promises More Killing
I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
The Angel of Death
My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Destruction of Ai
Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.
Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.
Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.
When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)
Killing at Jericho
When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)
God Kills an Extended Family
"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)
Mass Murder
The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)
The Angel of Death
That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)
Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Kill the Family of Sinners
And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)
Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
Murder
At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)
Kill All of Babylon
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
Micah Kills a Whole Town
Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)
I adhere to a lot of things, but your religion is not one of them...
MM
Good thread, Bringer.
I wanted to point out to you, that maybe mankind was in part constructed by another effect, that had utilized ape genes?
In a book titled Adam, the story revolves around a character in the book, who was brought forth by a chimpanzee womb.
So the human and the ape in the book had shared continuities.
Don't know if you caught the recent shows on apes. Think it was on Animal Planet? But the Bonobus chimpanzees, are very smart.
Not only the smartest of the chimp family, but rudimentary computer taught users in chripto-picto-graphic computers.
In an emergency a female chimpanzee can bring a human fetus to term within her womb.
I'm really funny on this point, as in theory the human within vitro, or nestling in liquid media in the chimps womb, might adopt a little of the nature of the mother?
If a chimp is used in this manner, then she should be amply compensated for her carrying labors.
She gets free television, an ape apartment and or as many bananas as she wants.
Also, and I know this sounds very odd, she should be afforded a picture of the baby human, for her as a keepsake.
I'm funny about using an animal such as this and not compensating her fully.
Good post.
I wanted to point out to you, that maybe mankind was in part constructed by another effect, that had utilized ape genes?
In a book titled Adam, the story revolves around a character in the book, who was brought forth by a chimpanzee womb.
So the human and the ape in the book had shared continuities.
Don't know if you caught the recent shows on apes. Think it was on Animal Planet? But the Bonobus chimpanzees, are very smart.
Not only the smartest of the chimp family, but rudimentary computer taught users in chripto-picto-graphic computers.
In an emergency a female chimpanzee can bring a human fetus to term within her womb.
I'm really funny on this point, as in theory the human within vitro, or nestling in liquid media in the chimps womb, might adopt a little of the nature of the mother?
If a chimp is used in this manner, then she should be amply compensated for her carrying labors.
She gets free television, an ape apartment and or as many bananas as she wants.
Also, and I know this sounds very odd, she should be afforded a picture of the baby human, for her as a keepsake.
I'm funny about using an animal such as this and not compensating her fully.
Good post.
Good post phillip. Let me get to MMarauder then Ill address it.
MMarauder - what does any of that stuff you posted have to do with my theory- Zilch. Why can't you stay on topic?
Phillip - I'm glad that you posted that about chimps being able to handle fetuses. That is exactly what I would expect based on my theory. The chimp can handle everything except actual conception. I am very familiar with Bonobos and they are very fascinating. The people of the congo eat Bonobos which makes me sick to my stomach since the animals clearly have a deep capacity for thought and feeling. Do you remember who wrote that book Adam?
MMarauder - what does any of that stuff you posted have to do with my theory- Zilch. Why can't you stay on topic?
Phillip - I'm glad that you posted that about chimps being able to handle fetuses. That is exactly what I would expect based on my theory. The chimp can handle everything except actual conception. I am very familiar with Bonobos and they are very fascinating. The people of the congo eat Bonobos which makes me sick to my stomach since the animals clearly have a deep capacity for thought and feeling. Do you remember who wrote that book Adam?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 04:48 PM)
Good post phillip. Let me get to MMarauder then Ill address it.
Bringer-of-Light, forgive me for any mean thing I've said about you. I say this because I've recognized your worth.
May I please have exclusive rights to anything that you have or will post on this site.?
Bringer-of-Light, forgive me for any mean thing I've said about you. I say this because I've recognized your worth.
May I please have exclusive rights to anything that you have or will post on this site.?
Uhm, there is no actual foundation for philip's post, where's what it says:
1 - I read a work of fiction about a man from a chimps womb
2 - Bonobos are really smart
3 - I think that if you implant a human fetus in a chimp, it will produce some kind of hybrid.
Sound like random blabbering to anyone else?
So, BoL, what kind of evidence do you have for your "theory"? You seem to have quite a task cut out for you. First, you have to prove creationism and thus invalidate the fields of biology, astronomy, geology, physics, chemistry and a few more I'm forgetting. After you achieve this, you have to show humans can reproduce with apes.
So, would like to start simple? Say, with your very first piece of evidence that doesn't exist solely in your imagination?
1 - I read a work of fiction about a man from a chimps womb
2 - Bonobos are really smart
3 - I think that if you implant a human fetus in a chimp, it will produce some kind of hybrid.
Sound like random blabbering to anyone else?
So, BoL, what kind of evidence do you have for your "theory"? You seem to have quite a task cut out for you. First, you have to prove creationism and thus invalidate the fields of biology, astronomy, geology, physics, chemistry and a few more I'm forgetting. After you achieve this, you have to show humans can reproduce with apes.
So, would like to start simple? Say, with your very first piece of evidence that doesn't exist solely in your imagination?
Orestis - I guess that is a poor attempt at humor.
Machinae - I would suspect based on my theory that an ape could handle all stages of bearing needed to raise a human child other than initial conception, which Phillip tells me is true.
I would suspect that apes can be traced back to humans but that humans cannot be traced back to apes.
I would suspect that there existed a variety or varieties of old world apes before Cain took one of them as his wife. The earth and animal populations were different then so I wouldn't expect these apes to have been overly great in number. I would suspect that the apes that directly came from the human/ape union would be fairly unique in their closeness to man but that they wouldn't have existed in their pure form for long due to breeding with the old world apes. The breeding would eventually mix the ape breeds to a constant species or group of species (whichever variation that had the greatest survivability). I think that's why we see so many different apes in the fossil record. They were dealing with the addition of human genes to their gene pool and naturally it took some time for them to incorporate the new genes and their variations and for speciation to occur. This explains why there are 5 great apes and several sub species today.
Machinae - I would suspect based on my theory that an ape could handle all stages of bearing needed to raise a human child other than initial conception, which Phillip tells me is true.
I would suspect that apes can be traced back to humans but that humans cannot be traced back to apes.
I would suspect that there existed a variety or varieties of old world apes before Cain took one of them as his wife. The earth and animal populations were different then so I wouldn't expect these apes to have been overly great in number. I would suspect that the apes that directly came from the human/ape union would be fairly unique in their closeness to man but that they wouldn't have existed in their pure form for long due to breeding with the old world apes. The breeding would eventually mix the ape breeds to a constant species or group of species (whichever variation that had the greatest survivability). I think that's why we see so many different apes in the fossil record. They were dealing with the addition of human genes to their gene pool and naturally it took some time for them to incorporate the new genes and their variations and for speciation to occur. This explains why there are 5 great apes and several sub species today.
Bringer-of-Light, I know I shouldn't fuel your ignorance about AIDS but...it's too much fun.
Why don't you hop in your research-mobile and tell us all how AIDS got started.
I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with ducking monkies.
Why don't you hop in your research-mobile and tell us all how AIDS got started.
I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with ducking monkies.
Excaza - that is a different thread...this is the truth about apes. I already addressed the idea that you mentioned in the other thread. How about addressing my ape theory?
re Bringer; Blue paperback titled (Adam).A story of an experiment of chimp that carries blond haired man to birth.
Book is a bit dated, hard to find.
Storyline deals with some of the actions of the simian conflicting, with the situation they are in.There is tree climbing and some social tension.
Has picture of blond haired human male on cover of book.
Was interesting in as much as showed social conflict, in the differences between ape and human sociology.
"I'd say border to border-books and or others book companies for seacrch.
Other re.s Chimps and humans have remarkably very similarly stanced in structure DNA designs and profiles.
It is possible for a human and a chimpanzee to mate, which might produce an ape human.
Its usually the most highly developed prominent genome trait, within the DNA helix, which brings out the full traits of the most developed humanoid.
Chimpanzees can carry a human being to near term.However a chimp does not have the vaginal birthing gate, to allow a normal birth for a human to come out of the chimps womb.
"You'd kill the mother, which is a downer in any birth".
You can however, carry the fetus to a near delivery then allow delivery via means of a cesarean.
The baby, in order for the offspring to be normal, must immediately bond with the mother, to her breast, regardless as to whether it is an great ape or not..?!
In primary DNA helical mixing, the key top line lineal traits, determining predominate determinate founding structures, in vetro, are established by the mutual input by both the fathers DNA and mothers DNA input.
This is a hallowed act, not some dirty act that someone does in an alleyway.
Its nature herself, that electtivly brings forth what the determination of the nature of the fetus should be.
If that child within the womb of the chimp carrying the fetus corresponds to that mother being a chimp, this does not matter under gods providence.
That child will always love her and never forget her.
Book is a bit dated, hard to find.
Storyline deals with some of the actions of the simian conflicting, with the situation they are in.There is tree climbing and some social tension.
Has picture of blond haired human male on cover of book.
Was interesting in as much as showed social conflict, in the differences between ape and human sociology.
"I'd say border to border-books and or others book companies for seacrch.
Other re.s Chimps and humans have remarkably very similarly stanced in structure DNA designs and profiles.
It is possible for a human and a chimpanzee to mate, which might produce an ape human.
Its usually the most highly developed prominent genome trait, within the DNA helix, which brings out the full traits of the most developed humanoid.
Chimpanzees can carry a human being to near term.However a chimp does not have the vaginal birthing gate, to allow a normal birth for a human to come out of the chimps womb.
"You'd kill the mother, which is a downer in any birth".
You can however, carry the fetus to a near delivery then allow delivery via means of a cesarean.
The baby, in order for the offspring to be normal, must immediately bond with the mother, to her breast, regardless as to whether it is an great ape or not..?!
In primary DNA helical mixing, the key top line lineal traits, determining predominate determinate founding structures, in vetro, are established by the mutual input by both the fathers DNA and mothers DNA input.
This is a hallowed act, not some dirty act that someone does in an alleyway.
Its nature herself, that electtivly brings forth what the determination of the nature of the fetus should be.
If that child within the womb of the chimp carrying the fetus corresponds to that mother being a chimp, this does not matter under gods providence.
That child will always love her and never forget her.
I agree about familial bonding. I will look into the book.
What do you think about my theory about the way that apes came into their current form?
What do you think about my theory about the way that apes came into their current form?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 08:04 PM)
What do you think about my theory about the way that apes came into their current form?
Prove it.
Prove it.
Re; I think that you have to realize that there are epochs of evolutionary development in apes.
This act, without any said intervention, is more than likely a result of a bio-evolutionary wave?
I feel that mankind as we know him, was fiddled with combining both ape DNA profiles, with a more advanced sort of off-world influence.
The result, was a blended variant non ape creature.
So this is the bar graph in illustration of primary A. example 1A, of being the ape, who is most along in his own advancement which is experiencing the influence of evolution.
The secondary bar output, is that because of some reason, elements of apes and or non same worlders, were mixed, for whatever reason and the output was a more advanced creature.
*The more advanced creature, because he she is a combined mixture of both ape and lets say possible alien influence, would have to be termed as a conglomerated hybrid, or a combination of both beings?
This act, without any said intervention, is more than likely a result of a bio-evolutionary wave?
I feel that mankind as we know him, was fiddled with combining both ape DNA profiles, with a more advanced sort of off-world influence.
The result, was a blended variant non ape creature.
So this is the bar graph in illustration of primary A. example 1A, of being the ape, who is most along in his own advancement which is experiencing the influence of evolution.
The secondary bar output, is that because of some reason, elements of apes and or non same worlders, were mixed, for whatever reason and the output was a more advanced creature.
*The more advanced creature, because he she is a combined mixture of both ape and lets say possible alien influence, would have to be termed as a conglomerated hybrid, or a combination of both beings?
The Bible does mention beings it calls locusts, and the book of epoch mentions the watchers etc. The book of Jubilees also goes into some non-human creatures. I have often wondered if these might be aliens that the people of old are calling demons due to a lack of understanding.
God also tells people to go and replenish the earth. Maybe we weren't the first residents?
God also tells people to go and replenish the earth. Maybe we weren't the first residents?
BOL, Book of Epoch (or do you mean Enoch?)? Book of Jubilees? Which Bible are you using? What denomination are you? Are you a New Age Christian?
Yes I meant Enoch. The word completion function on my handheld is pesky sometimes. I don't know what you mean by new age Christian. Please clarify. Those books aren't in my bible but they have relevance to my studies.
New Age Christian...I have met a lot of them. Locally some are at The Center for Positive Living, the Unitarians, Shrine of the Master Church to name a few. They usually like both Buddha and Christ. They believe certain books were left out of the Bible that were supposed to be there such as the Gnostic Gospels. The Book of Enoch is also a favorite. Some of them are into the alien thing and have some UFOish interpretations of the Bible. They often speak of "Christ consciousness." Most I met were frustrated ex-Catholics.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 02:04 AM)
Maybe we weren't the first residents?
Proof that life 1st took residency, was @ around 3.5G years ago. Precambrian microfossils quite clearly show evidence of this, however precusory self-replicating molecules must have existed, even before these structures evolved.
If you condensed the last 3.5G years into just one, we've only evolved into our present form, late on December 31st.
Does that answer your question, bozo?
Proof that life 1st took residency, was @ around 3.5G years ago. Precambrian microfossils quite clearly show evidence of this, however precusory self-replicating molecules must have existed, even before these structures evolved.
If you condensed the last 3.5G years into just one, we've only evolved into our present form, late on December 31st.
Does that answer your question, bozo?
You are very close to understanding the god source.
I must caution you though, even though the groups known as the watchers, which at times include Angels, have a time delay variant in communications with humans, there is an overstepping, you can walk into.
They key lock variant to what is indicated now, is that, (by the pentagons good say), not a contrivance, there is one and ice age and two a grand scale of new animal evolution going on right now.
The watchers know this and therefore do not want the nature of mankind obstructed in what he she should want for their own determined direction.
This would probably be meant, as Earth based mankind, as since by Zachariah Sitchins book on Geneses, that mankind is indeed a variant hybrid creation, that in order for him to stay man, he must leave the surface of Earth and allowed to make alien contact, with whomever agencies off world, that he desires.
I know through a second source, that the Andreessen sightings, of the general watchers collection of supervisors, was correct.
This would mean that if aliens Grays were to continue mankind here against his will be their design only, that he might end up as sort of a drug addict and selective job task oriented being.
Since evolution acts as a broad wave, it is not certain how the variant wave of evolution would affect mankind as a known and qualified hybrid.
This wave could kill him, possibly make him go insane, or possibly extinct.
Hybrids of anything, do not do well as a one-linear facet, such as a pure ape in evolution.
The general output, run again and again, is for Earth based hybrid mankind, to make rapid mass contact, so that he is free to travel in space.
To obstruct this process, when it it known by the Angels themselves that this move by mankind is necessary, might in reality be encouraging a mass visit by the Angels themselves, for interventions sake.
*Me myself, no, I would not get in the way of this process.
I must caution you though, even though the groups known as the watchers, which at times include Angels, have a time delay variant in communications with humans, there is an overstepping, you can walk into.
They key lock variant to what is indicated now, is that, (by the pentagons good say), not a contrivance, there is one and ice age and two a grand scale of new animal evolution going on right now.
The watchers know this and therefore do not want the nature of mankind obstructed in what he she should want for their own determined direction.
This would probably be meant, as Earth based mankind, as since by Zachariah Sitchins book on Geneses, that mankind is indeed a variant hybrid creation, that in order for him to stay man, he must leave the surface of Earth and allowed to make alien contact, with whomever agencies off world, that he desires.
I know through a second source, that the Andreessen sightings, of the general watchers collection of supervisors, was correct.
This would mean that if aliens Grays were to continue mankind here against his will be their design only, that he might end up as sort of a drug addict and selective job task oriented being.
Since evolution acts as a broad wave, it is not certain how the variant wave of evolution would affect mankind as a known and qualified hybrid.
This wave could kill him, possibly make him go insane, or possibly extinct.
Hybrids of anything, do not do well as a one-linear facet, such as a pure ape in evolution.
The general output, run again and again, is for Earth based hybrid mankind, to make rapid mass contact, so that he is free to travel in space.
To obstruct this process, when it it known by the Angels themselves that this move by mankind is necessary, might in reality be encouraging a mass visit by the Angels themselves, for interventions sake.
*Me myself, no, I would not get in the way of this process.
QUOTE (philip347+Jun 28 2008, 03:43 AM)
*Me myself, no, I would not get in the way of this process.
What is the name of stitchins book?
Delia - more babbling?
Delia - more babbling?
Empress Palpatine - when you have encountered this theory before how was it racially charged? I see no racism in it unless you count each ape species as a race and carry it on down to a lesser greater ape by ape discussion.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 11:34 AM)
I get so tired of people talking about apes having something to do with evolution. There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family; there is an explanation. Cain married one of the apes of old.
Let's assume that BoL is right? If you were Cain what kind of ape wife would you choose?
An ape Donna Reed with pearl necklace and high-heels? That would be a sight.
An ape Genni? All that gauze might get snagged on the hair.
I think I would go with an ape Jill from Home Improvement. Those psychology classes she took would help a lot.
Let's assume that BoL is right? If you were Cain what kind of ape wife would you choose?
An ape Donna Reed with pearl necklace and high-heels? That would be a sight.
An ape Genni? All that gauze might get snagged on the hair.
I think I would go with an ape Jill from Home Improvement. Those psychology classes she took would help a lot.
Orestis - why do you continue to make jokes rather than to debate me on the meat of this theory?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 07:34 PM)
Orestis - why do you continue to make jokes rather than to debate me on the meat of this theory?
To quote some famous wisdom in response to your question...
Where's da beef?
Or
More appropriately
Where's da meat?
To quote some famous wisdom in response to your question...
Where's da beef?
Or
More appropriately
Where's da meat?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 03:34 PM)
Orestis - why do you continue to make jokes rather than to debate me on the meat of this theory?
Because I crave the holiness of your attention. And because you don't respond to any posts, from so many people here, that have facts you have to face.
You said Christianity is "willing conversion," not like Islam that is "state forced." I gave you proof that you were wrong. You avoid that, just like you avoid responding to the facts presented by everyone else here.
You respond to the idea of an ape dressed like Donna Reed. A post that wasnt even meant for you!
Tell me, what are we to think of you?
Because I crave the holiness of your attention. And because you don't respond to any posts, from so many people here, that have facts you have to face.
You said Christianity is "willing conversion," not like Islam that is "state forced." I gave you proof that you were wrong. You avoid that, just like you avoid responding to the facts presented by everyone else here.
You respond to the idea of an ape dressed like Donna Reed. A post that wasnt even meant for you! Tell me, what are we to think of you?
About the Christian vs Muslim. Making a few references to some past events hardly counts as proving me wrong. We are talking about right now. No one forces you to be Christian like some places do with Islam.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 04:49 PM)
About the Christian vs Muslim. Making a few references to some past events hardly counts as proving me wrong. We are talking about right now. No one forces you to be Christian like some places do with Islam.
And thats what you call debating.
Lets see what you say about this.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, once Muslim refugees have
been denied entry into Australia and are locked up at the notorious
Baxter prison, if they convert to Christianity, they will be
given permission to stay in Australia.
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Detainees who find Christ may be allowed to stay
By Mike Seccombe and Linda Morris
March 21, 2005
" Thirty of Australia's longest-term immigration detainees
are having their cases reviewed and could be freed because
they have converted to Christianity since arriving.
all 30 were "all unauthorised boat arrivals", mostly from Iran
and a few from Iraq, who had been in detention for more than
three years. They include Peter Qasim, a Kashmiri whom India
will not take back, and who is in his seventh year of detention.
A spokesman for the Immigration Minister, Amanda Vanstone,
confirmed the only reason for reconsidering the 30 cases was their new religion.
The president of the Uniting Church, the Reverend Dean Drayton,
has supported the applications of about 50 Iranian Christians,
most of whom have converted while in detention."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Detain...1253889168.html
And thats what you call debating.
Lets see what you say about this.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, once Muslim refugees have
been denied entry into Australia and are locked up at the notorious
Baxter prison, if they convert to Christianity, they will be
given permission to stay in Australia.
----------------------------------------------------------
Detainees who find Christ may be allowed to stay
By Mike Seccombe and Linda Morris
March 21, 2005
" Thirty of Australia's longest-term immigration detainees
are having their cases reviewed and could be freed because
they have converted to Christianity since arriving.
all 30 were "all unauthorised boat arrivals", mostly from Iran
and a few from Iraq, who had been in detention for more than
three years. They include Peter Qasim, a Kashmiri whom India
will not take back, and who is in his seventh year of detention.
A spokesman for the Immigration Minister, Amanda Vanstone,
confirmed the only reason for reconsidering the 30 cases was their new religion.
The president of the Uniting Church, the Reverend Dean Drayton,
has supported the applications of about 50 Iranian Christians,
most of whom have converted while in detention."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Detain...1253889168.html
Wow you managed to come up with one off the wall example that barely even qualifies. No one is forcing them to go into Australia. I don't see why you are still argueing this. Don't you think that Christians have more freedom than Muslims? We don't make women wear robes and hoods. Thats the real issue here.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 06:38 PM)
We don't make women wear robes and hoods. Thats the real issue here.
You went from conversion to freedom to women wearing robes and hoods. Just to avoid facing facts.
I'm finished with you, buffoon.
Stay the *** out of my grandchildren's schools!
You went from conversion to freedom to women wearing robes and hoods. Just to avoid facing facts.
I'm finished with you, buffoon.
Stay the *** out of my grandchildren's schools!
I meant freedom, not specifically wearing hoods. You knew that you were just trying to make me look like a fool.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 06:57 PM)
You knew that you were just trying to make me look like a fool.
Though you set the bar high with your ridiculous "savages" comment, you do that easily enough on your own, nobody else needs to try and do it for you.
Though you set the bar high with your ridiculous "savages" comment, you do that easily enough on your own, nobody else needs to try and do it for you.
Yet you are the one who refuses to have serious debate on the issues. Everytime I answer one of your charges you act like my response is worthless. I smell a double standard here.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+)
I get so tired of people talking about apes having something to do with evolution.
Why? What's your problem with it?
Umm...were does the Bible say there were no women outside of Adam's family? Chapter and verse, please.
Umm...were does the Bible say there were no women outside of Adam's family? Chapter and verse, please.
Cain married one of the apes of old and became the progenitor of new types of apes. Since this change happened it looks like apes have evolved but they really haven't evolved much.
Ok, you're implying that Cain married and reproduced with A FREAKING GORILLA. Not a very logical alternative to evolution.
Except most ideas set upon by Biblical study don't agree with real science.
Except most ideas set upon by Biblical study don't agree with real science.
As far as the different types of apes go I would theorize that Cain and the ape had multiple children and that these children became individual ape tribes similar to the tribes of israel.
*facepalmheaddesk* Do you realize just how irrational that statement is?
How convienent.
It doesn't happen now because MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE REPRODUCING WITH WILD ANIMAL FETTISHES, you idiot.
How convienent.
It doesn't happen now because MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE REPRODUCING WITH WILD ANIMAL FETTISHES, you idiot.
The apes of today and their similarity to us serves as evidence for my theory.
It also serves as evidence for the theory of common descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
Sorry bozo, it doesn't work that way. If you were an atheist scientist we still wouldn't agree with you.
I think your theory is idiotic and not a logical alternative to common descent. You claim that apes' similarity to humans support your theory; it's also support for ours. Sorry, but evolution and CD are more logical than Cain (a person from a story in the Bible) reproducing with an ape.
I think your theory is idiotic and not a logical alternative to common descent. You claim that apes' similarity to humans support your theory; it's also support for ours. Sorry, but evolution and CD are more logical than Cain (a person from a story in the Bible) reproducing with an ape.
I smell a double standard here.
Likewise.
Why? What's your problem with it?
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There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family;
Umm...were does the Bible say there were no women outside of Adam's family? Chapter and verse, please.
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| There is a simple explanation for why apes seem to have evolved. I imagine that we are all familiar with the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was then cursed by God and cast out from his family to wander the world. Well the Bible says that Cain found a wife. Everyone thinks that this is weird since there are no women on earth other than those with Adam and his family; |
Umm...were does the Bible say there were no women outside of Adam's family? Chapter and verse, please.
Cain married one of the apes of old and became the progenitor of new types of apes. Since this change happened it looks like apes have evolved but they really haven't evolved much.
Ok, you're implying that Cain married and reproduced with A FREAKING GORILLA. Not a very logical alternative to evolution.
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What happened to that atheist open mindedness. I try to bring in an idea that was set upon by Biblical study.
Except most ideas set upon by Biblical study don't agree with real science.
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| What happened to that atheist open mindedness. I try to bring in an idea that was set upon by Biblical study. |
Except most ideas set upon by Biblical study don't agree with real science.
As far as the different types of apes go I would theorize that Cain and the ape had multiple children and that these children became individual ape tribes similar to the tribes of israel.
*facepalmheaddesk* Do you realize just how irrational that statement is?
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I clarified that God stopped the process and that explains why it doesn't happen now.
How convienent.
It doesn't happen now because MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE REPRODUCING WITH WILD ANIMAL FETTISHES, you idiot.
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| I clarified that God stopped the process and that explains why it doesn't happen now. |
How convienent.
It doesn't happen now because MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE REPRODUCING WITH WILD ANIMAL FETTISHES, you idiot.
The apes of today and their similarity to us serves as evidence for my theory.
It also serves as evidence for the theory of common descent.
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Either you come up with a better alternative or accept that this makes apes worthless to the theory of evolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
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| Either you come up with a better alternative or accept that this makes apes worthless to the theory of evolution. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
You and Gmilam are discounting my ideas because you know I am a Christian. If I were an atheist scientist you would be on my side with this issue.
Sorry bozo, it doesn't work that way. If you were an atheist scientist we still wouldn't agree with you.
QUOTE
What do you think about my theory about the way that apes came into their current form?
I think your theory is idiotic and not a logical alternative to common descent. You claim that apes' similarity to humans support your theory; it's also support for ours. Sorry, but evolution and CD are more logical than Cain (a person from a story in the Bible) reproducing with an ape.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| What do you think about my theory about the way that apes came into their current form? |
I think your theory is idiotic and not a logical alternative to common descent. You claim that apes' similarity to humans support your theory; it's also support for ours. Sorry, but evolution and CD are more logical than Cain (a person from a story in the Bible) reproducing with an ape.
I smell a double standard here.
Likewise.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 28 2008, 08:54 PM)
Yet you are the one who refuses to have serious debate on the issues. Everytime I answer one of your charges you act like my response is worthless. I smell a double standard here.
What fu**ing issues? The only issue I see here is your total disregard of logic and your overwhelming arrogance and hypocrisy. You refuse to provide a serious debate, you have yet to provide any answer of merit. You continue to be ignorant, arrogant, bigoted, and continue to refuse to provide any real proof. An old mistranslated fairy tale is not proof.
Nice try.
Nice try.
Relax Excaza. I have nothing but respect for you.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 29 2008, 03:28 AM)
Relax Excaza. I have nothing but respect for you.
*facepalmheaddesk* Your lies are ASTOUNDING. So far you've treated everyone who has disagreed with your faith like an idiot. You haven't shown respect to anyone here.
*facepalmheaddesk* Your lies are ASTOUNDING. So far you've treated everyone who has disagreed with your faith like an idiot. You haven't shown respect to anyone here.
Nom sat there with his silver spacesuit, wrinkled, as it had been for hours,
Nobody like these deep space mission to pick up where others had left off.
He needed a shave, he stunk. It was four more minutes on the clock, till his shift was up. He could then take an ultrasonic showed before his sleep.
Orestis was nonplussed by the three dimensional card game. The Doc had just given hypo shots, so everyone was sore in the arm, from so much antiviral junk, that they didn’t need being pumped into their bodies.
It was then to their collective horrors that noticed the curtain being parted, with Bringers naked moons slowly pushing back into their shift change card game, with the meter hole starting to protrude from the gas stored from the space taco.
Ore desperately dove, trying to retrieve his stun weapon, so that the flatus would not discharge within the tiny compartment.
You could see the look of surprise on Nom’s face as in slow motion, both the sound and lip movement came out as ((faaa-rrr-tt!)) as the gas was released..
It was then everyone knew what it meant to be a deep space traveler.
Condensed from the story, Release of controlled fecal gasses, the admire effect, Alpha Colony:
Nobody like these deep space mission to pick up where others had left off.
He needed a shave, he stunk. It was four more minutes on the clock, till his shift was up. He could then take an ultrasonic showed before his sleep.
Orestis was nonplussed by the three dimensional card game. The Doc had just given hypo shots, so everyone was sore in the arm, from so much antiviral junk, that they didn’t need being pumped into their bodies.
It was then to their collective horrors that noticed the curtain being parted, with Bringers naked moons slowly pushing back into their shift change card game, with the meter hole starting to protrude from the gas stored from the space taco.
Ore desperately dove, trying to retrieve his stun weapon, so that the flatus would not discharge within the tiny compartment.
You could see the look of surprise on Nom’s face as in slow motion, both the sound and lip movement came out as ((faaa-rrr-tt!)) as the gas was released..
It was then everyone knew what it meant to be a deep space traveler.
Condensed from the story, Release of controlled fecal gasses, the admire effect, Alpha Colony:
QUOTE (phillip72+)
Nom sat there with his silver spacesuit, wrinkled, as it had been for hours,
Nobody like these deep space mission to pick up where others had left off.
He needed a shave, he stunk. It was four more minutes on the clock, till his shift was up. He could then take an ultrasonic showed before his sleep.
Orestis was nonplussed by the three dimensional card game. The Doc had just given hypo shots, so everyone was sore in the arm, from so much antiviral junk, that they didn’t need being pumped into their bodies.
It was then to their collective horrors that noticed the curtain being parted, with Bringers naked moons slowly pushing back into their shift change card game, with the meter hole starting to protrude from the gas stored from the space taco.
Ore desperately dove, trying to retrieve his stun weapon, so that the flatus would not discharge within the tiny compartment.
You could see the look of surprise on Nom’s face as in slow motion, both the sound and lip movement came out as ((faaa-rrr-tt!)) as the gas was released..
It was then everyone knew what it meant to be a deep space traveler.
Condensed from the story, Release of controlled fecal gasses, the admire effect, Alpha Colony:
Nobody like these deep space mission to pick up where others had left off.
He needed a shave, he stunk. It was four more minutes on the clock, till his shift was up. He could then take an ultrasonic showed before his sleep.
Orestis was nonplussed by the three dimensional card game. The Doc had just given hypo shots, so everyone was sore in the arm, from so much antiviral junk, that they didn’t need being pumped into their bodies.
It was then to their collective horrors that noticed the curtain being parted, with Bringers naked moons slowly pushing back into their shift change card game, with the meter hole starting to protrude from the gas stored from the space taco.
Ore desperately dove, trying to retrieve his stun weapon, so that the flatus would not discharge within the tiny compartment.
You could see the look of surprise on Nom’s face as in slow motion, both the sound and lip movement came out as ((faaa-rrr-tt!)) as the gas was released..
It was then everyone knew what it meant to be a deep space traveler.
Condensed from the story, Release of controlled fecal gasses, the admire effect, Alpha Colony:
Safe to assume it's time for philip71 to take his medication 
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 29 2008, 08:47 PM)
Safe to assume it's time for philip71 to take his medication
Maybe phillip70 has been taking medications. The question is; are those medications prescribed to him?
Maybe phillip70 has been taking medications. The question is; are those medications prescribed to him?
Phillip, what the hell was that?
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