I think that this is an interesting topic.
To understand how Mother Nature works.
Any personal philosophical meaning that anyone derives from it should stay out of the science class. Science is about HOW it works, not WHY.
Any personal philosophical meaning that anyone derives from it should stay out of the science class. Science is about HOW it works, not WHY.
Exactly. The bible handles why and science handles how (within reason). Science should be about helping us better live the way we were meant to live through the how questions.
My car doesn't fly, and I don't complain.
Why do people complain that science doesn't do certain things?
It's not even about spreading the truth, it's about finding it.
When science contradicts the Bible then you have to decide.
Do you want to go with the repeatably verifiable or the hearsay that can't be verified.
Why do people complain that science doesn't do certain things?
It's not even about spreading the truth, it's about finding it.
When science contradicts the Bible then you have to decide.
Do you want to go with the repeatably verifiable or the hearsay that can't be verified.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 12:40 PM)
Exactly. The bible handles why and science handles how (within reason). Science should be about helping us better live the way we were meant to live through the how questions.
And yet you think the Bible is scientific evidence? And why is the Bible the only acceptable "why"? Who says we need something to tell us why?
If you think the bible answers the why, and you think it helps you to live a better life, be more kind to your neighbors, etc, then by all means, believe that, do that.
But don't make me do it, or my kids. We'll find our own why, thank you very much.
And yet you think the Bible is scientific evidence? And why is the Bible the only acceptable "why"? Who says we need something to tell us why?
If you think the bible answers the why, and you think it helps you to live a better life, be more kind to your neighbors, etc, then by all means, believe that, do that.
But don't make me do it, or my kids. We'll find our own why, thank you very much.
Dabeer,
just because you aren't a Christian doesn't mean that you should deny your children the opportunity to be raised as Christians. I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that there would be no harm in giving them that chance.
just because you aren't a Christian doesn't mean that you should deny your children the opportunity to be raised as Christians. I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that there would be no harm in giving them that chance.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 11:40 AM)
Exactly. The bible handles why and science handles how (within reason). Science should be about helping us better live the way we were meant to live through the how questions.
The way we were "meant" to live?
Careful, your arrogance is showing.
The way we were "meant" to live?
Careful, your arrogance is showing.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 05:29 PM)
Dabeer,
just because you aren't a Christian doesn't mean that you should deny your children the opportunity to be raised as Christians. I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that there would be no harm in giving them that chance.
Don't forget Islam, Buddism, Hinduism and other as equally valid options.
just because you aren't a Christian doesn't mean that you should deny your children the opportunity to be raised as Christians. I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that there would be no harm in giving them that chance.
Don't forget Islam, Buddism, Hinduism and other as equally valid options.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 01:29 PM)
Dabeer,
just because you aren't a Christian doesn't mean that you should deny your children the opportunity to be raised as Christians. I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that there would be no harm in giving them that chance.
Just for the record, I am not teaching my children one way or the other, or as buttershug pointed out, any other way either.
Instead, I am simply teaching them to think, and not to blindly accept what other people tell them. If this results in them not being Christian, then so be it. If this results in them being Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever, then so be it.
just because you aren't a Christian doesn't mean that you should deny your children the opportunity to be raised as Christians. I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that there would be no harm in giving them that chance.
Just for the record, I am not teaching my children one way or the other, or as buttershug pointed out, any other way either.
Instead, I am simply teaching them to think, and not to blindly accept what other people tell them. If this results in them not being Christian, then so be it. If this results in them being Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever, then so be it.
Gmiliam,
I'm sorry if you think I am arrogant as I don't intend to seem that way. There is only one way into heaven and that is through Jesus.
I'm sorry if you think I am arrogant as I don't intend to seem that way. There is only one way into heaven and that is through Jesus.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 12:47 PM)
Gmiliam,
I'm sorry if you think I am arrogant as I don't intend to seem that way. There is only one way into heaven and that is through Jesus.
This is a science forum. Please show scientific evidence for an afterlife, heaven and hell.
I'm sorry if you think I am arrogant as I don't intend to seem that way. There is only one way into heaven and that is through Jesus.
This is a science forum. Please show scientific evidence for an afterlife, heaven and hell.
QUOTE (gmilam+Jun 26 2008, 05:48 PM)
This is a science forum. Please show scientific evidence for an afterlife, heaven and hell.
Yes, this is a scientific forum, please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
Yes, this is a scientific forum, please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
QUOTE (deadbeat+Jun 26 2008, 12:52 PM)
Yes, this is a scientific forum, please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
QUOTE (deadbeat+Jun 26 2008, 05:52 PM)
Yes, this is a scientific forum, please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
Why would someone show proof of something that does not belong here?
Do you ask how to get a full house in Chess?
Why would someone show proof of something that does not belong here?
Do you ask how to get a full house in Chess?
Typical atheist and anarchist reasoning. There is plenty of reason to suspect the existence of an afterlife.
gmilam
deadbeat
deadbeat
please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
Show us evidence of the non-existence of Unicorns(horse only please), Vampires, Odin or the flying spaghetti monster.
You can't, but why bring up the subject if no evidence of their existence exists anywhere but in man's fevered imagination???
Grumpy
Do you ask how to get a full house in Chess?
Well put. Absolutely perfect.
QUOTE
Please show scientific evidence for an afterlife, heaven and hell.
deadbeat
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Please show scientific evidence for an afterlife, heaven and hell. |
deadbeat
please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
Show us evidence of the non-existence of Unicorns(horse only please), Vampires, Odin or the flying spaghetti monster.
You can't, but why bring up the subject if no evidence of their existence exists anywhere but in man's fevered imagination???
Grumpy
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 12:57 PM)
Typical atheist and anarchist reasoning. There is plenty of reason to suspect the existence of an afterlife.
Really? Then it should be easy to give it.
Really? Then it should be easy to give it.
QUOTE (deadbeat+Jun 26 2008, 01:52 PM)
Yes, this is a scientific forum, please show scientific proof for the ABSENCE of heaven or an afterlife
Again DB, your claim requires you to provide proof of your claim.
Unless this is just another one of your blind devotional personal beliefs.
Again DB, your claim requires you to provide proof of your claim.
Unless this is just another one of your blind devotional personal beliefs.
Why are you ignoring the Bible and common sense?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 01:15 PM)
Why are you ignoring the Bible and common sense?
I've read the Bible. It's a nice collection of ancient folktales. Have you ever read The Iliad? It's nice too. For creation myths, I really like the one Tolkien wrote in The Silmarillion.
Common sense and personal observation tells me that when something dies, it's dead. The synapses in the brain quit functioning and consciousness ceases.
Weren't you going to go find some scientific evidence for that afterlife?
I've read the Bible. It's a nice collection of ancient folktales. Have you ever read The Iliad? It's nice too. For creation myths, I really like the one Tolkien wrote in The Silmarillion.
Common sense and personal observation tells me that when something dies, it's dead. The synapses in the brain quit functioning and consciousness ceases.
Weren't you going to go find some scientific evidence for that afterlife?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 06:15 PM)
Why are you ignoring the Bible and common sense?
Why are you ignoring the Bible's replacement, The Quran?
Why are you ignoring the Bible's replacement, The Quran?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 02:15 PM)
Why are you ignoring the Bible and common sense?
Are you talking to me? Again, please learn to use the quote function or address people by name.
Common sense does not support he xian bible. Quite the contrary.
And as far as the xian bible goes, why would I give it any more importance that any of the other litany of mythical tomes?
You operate on the assumption that the xian bible is fact which is fine for you but others like myself rely on more tangible and factual material.
Again, the claims in the xian bible have been proven false over and over. It is not a reliable source for much.
Are you talking to me? Again, please learn to use the quote function or address people by name.
Common sense does not support he xian bible. Quite the contrary.
And as far as the xian bible goes, why would I give it any more importance that any of the other litany of mythical tomes?
You operate on the assumption that the xian bible is fact which is fine for you but others like myself rely on more tangible and factual material.
Again, the claims in the xian bible have been proven false over and over. It is not a reliable source for much.
QUOTE (buttershug+Jun 26 2008, 01:53 PM)
Do you ask how to get a full house in Chess?
Well put. Absolutely perfect.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 06:15 PM)
Why are you ignoring the Bible and common sense?
Why do you ignore the Book of Mormon and more common sense?
MM
Why do you ignore the Book of Mormon and more common sense?
MM
GSplicer,
the Bible deserves more consideration than other literary works because it contains the blueprint that must be followed to enter heaven. Don't you even care that Jesus died for your sins? Do you want his death to have been in vain?
the Bible deserves more consideration than other literary works because it contains the blueprint that must be followed to enter heaven. Don't you even care that Jesus died for your sins? Do you want his death to have been in vain?
QUOTE (BoL+)
the Bible deserves more consideration than other literary works because it contains the blueprint that must be followed to enter heaven.
According to whom?
And why are all the other religious tomes not just as valid?
Again, according to whom? The claim of a mythical figure has no bearing on my life in such a manner as you demand.
Again, according to whom? The claim of a mythical figure has no bearing on my life in such a manner as you demand.
Do you want his death to have been in vain?
And if Santa and the Easter Bunny were killed, their death would be just as important.
And when will you address all of my other points and questions?
Again, you are selectively replying and cherry picking in these posts. Very poor form on your part.
How dod anarchism even enter this discussion? How exactly is it relevant in the least? There is plenty of reason to suspect the existence of an afterlife? Is the first one "because it makes me feel good"?
There are lots of reasons to want an afterlife. But what is the evidence it exists? Whats the evidence outside of what the bible says? Because, although the word of the bible is enough for you, other people don't believe the word of the bible. You need to give evidence from another source. One that can be verified to be true, not just claimed it is the word of god because it says its the word of god and why would anyone lie about the word of god or say their words are the words of god?
How dod anarchism even enter this discussion? How exactly is it relevant in the least?
It's another one of deadbeats pet rants.
g.
oh, so you know what mass is, you know what light, electricity, heat, magnetism, "molecules" atoms etc are...you are a fool then. etc etc.... you know it all
Those words have been uttered by ignorant people for millenia... and yet y'all still know absolutely nothing... you only think you know...delusions and propagated illusions... LOL
And you know what radioactivity is... and what actually happens in an atomic blast...
idiots !
technology is what works...without the real knowing why...it is the how... and nothing more
You guys are so outa touch it is unbelievable
but these internet forums are a real education for us.... LOL, what a hoot this planet is..... earthlings you are lower than the worms back home, at least they know their place
are we ?????
B'o'light
you bring total darkness... you bring daemon worship, your cruel Dog <- is but a manifestation of earthlings desire to rule each other... B'o'light you are a pathetic creature of draconian propaganda... get out of this thread with your Dog <- worship
true pathetic, and in great need of reprogramming.
LOL, Earth is hell..... earthlings are malicious spiteful daemons.....
According to whom?
And why are all the other religious tomes not just as valid?
QUOTE
Don't you even care that Jesus died for your sins?
Again, according to whom? The claim of a mythical figure has no bearing on my life in such a manner as you demand.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Don't you even care that Jesus died for your sins? |
Again, according to whom? The claim of a mythical figure has no bearing on my life in such a manner as you demand.
Do you want his death to have been in vain?
And if Santa and the Easter Bunny were killed, their death would be just as important.
And when will you address all of my other points and questions?
Again, you are selectively replying and cherry picking in these posts. Very poor form on your part.
QUOTE
Typical atheist and anarchist reasoning. There is plenty of reason to suspect the existence of an afterlife.
How dod anarchism even enter this discussion? How exactly is it relevant in the least? There is plenty of reason to suspect the existence of an afterlife? Is the first one "because it makes me feel good"?
There are lots of reasons to want an afterlife. But what is the evidence it exists? Whats the evidence outside of what the bible says? Because, although the word of the bible is enough for you, other people don't believe the word of the bible. You need to give evidence from another source. One that can be verified to be true, not just claimed it is the word of god because it says its the word of god and why would anyone lie about the word of god or say their words are the words of god?
QUOTE (Steveo+Jun 26 2008, 08:42 AM)
How dod anarchism even enter this discussion? How exactly is it relevant in the least?
It's another one of deadbeats pet rants.
g.
I had a conversation with a born-again once. He kept saying how much happier he was now that he wasn't Satan's b---h anymore. I politely told him that whether he was Satan's b---h or God's b---h he was still some body's b---h.
QUOTE (orestis+Jun 26 2008, 08:21 PM)
I had a conversation with a born-again once. He kept saying how much happier he was now that he wasn't Satan's b---h anymore. I politely told him that whether he was Satan's b---h or God's b---h he was still some body's b---h.
I still prefer calling him Lucifer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
buttershug
I pointed that out to him also. He said something about him being the light bringer from Jesus.
What a claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
buttershug
I pointed that out to him also. He said something about him being the light bringer from Jesus.
What a claim.
LOL, the true purpose of science was for practitioners to be able to control the elements, and so defeat death.
The funny thing is that in the process THEY have summoned DEATH to their doorstep
and it seems the door is about to be open in welcome.
Knowledge is a two edged sword
you may think you know and you then die, but if you truly do know you will live.
Most "science" to date is "technology", where the whys are all unknown..conjectured, theorised... but the technology works... but it also DESTROYS...sometimes so slowly that death visits before any fatal consequences are even noticed..
Thus is the state of Earth... on the eve of destruction.... where nothing in science is sure, and all technology is insidiously fatal.
For us observers, this is a nice place to visit and document the last days.....
The funny thing is that in the process THEY have summoned DEATH to their doorstep
and it seems the door is about to be open in welcome.
Knowledge is a two edged sword
you may think you know and you then die, but if you truly do know you will live.
Most "science" to date is "technology", where the whys are all unknown..conjectured, theorised... but the technology works... but it also DESTROYS...sometimes so slowly that death visits before any fatal consequences are even noticed..
Thus is the state of Earth... on the eve of destruction.... where nothing in science is sure, and all technology is insidiously fatal.
For us observers, this is a nice place to visit and document the last days.....
QUOTE (Zarkov+Jun 26 2008, 04:59 PM)
Most "science" to date is "technology"
Technology is applied science, you idiot.
Technology is applied science, you idiot.
Zarkov, just shut up...
That nonsense isn't even entertaining
That nonsense isn't even entertaining
QUOTE
Technology is applied science, you idiot.
oh, so you know what mass is, you know what light, electricity, heat, magnetism, "molecules" atoms etc are...you are a fool then. etc etc.... you know it all
Those words have been uttered by ignorant people for millenia... and yet y'all still know absolutely nothing... you only think you know...delusions and propagated illusions... LOL
And you know what radioactivity is... and what actually happens in an atomic blast...
idiots !
technology is what works...without the real knowing why...it is the how... and nothing more
You guys are so outa touch it is unbelievable
but these internet forums are a real education for us.... LOL, what a hoot this planet is..... earthlings you are lower than the worms back home, at least they know their place
tech·nol·o·gy (těk-nŏl'ə-jē)
n. pl. tech·nol·o·gies
1.
1. The application of science, especially to industrial or commercial objectives.
http://www.dictionary.com
n. pl. tech·nol·o·gies
1.
1. The application of science, especially to industrial or commercial objectives.
http://www.dictionary.com
LOL, whatever you like
funny how ALL of SCIENCE is speculative.... it is only what we THINK... we know very little about reality... except we THINK we are in it.
Even LAWS can only be applied to something we have made up...with our rules... eg MATH.... LOL
???? are you in a matrix ???
you have NO WAY of knowing....
LOL
idiot parrot
funny how ALL of SCIENCE is speculative.... it is only what we THINK... we know very little about reality... except we THINK we are in it.
Even LAWS can only be applied to something we have made up...with our rules... eg MATH.... LOL
???? are you in a matrix ???
you have NO WAY of knowing....
LOL
idiot parrot
QUOTE (Zarkov+Jun 26 2008, 09:17 PM)
???? are you in a matrix ???
you have NO WAY of knowing....
Yes I do. If I was in the matrix I could say "there is no Zarkov" and you would disappear.
"There is no zarkov"
"There is no zarkov"
Damn, no such luck.
you have NO WAY of knowing....
Yes I do. If I was in the matrix I could say "there is no Zarkov" and you would disappear.
"There is no zarkov"
"There is no zarkov"
Damn, no such luck.
You atheists believe the most absurd things. I guess Zarkov is your poster boy on this forum eh? I like the way he refers to non-athesist as if they are a different species. We are all human you know?
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 09:51 PM)
You atheists believe the most absurd things. I guess Zarkov is your poster boy on this forum eh? I like the way he refers to non-athesist as if they are a different species. We are all human you know?
Zarkov isn't an athiest. He thinks he's an alien.
Not very tolerant of you, Jesus-lover, to automatically assume everyone's an athiest.
YOU MAKE A CARICATURE OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
Zarkov isn't an athiest. He thinks he's an alien.
Not very tolerant of you, Jesus-lover, to automatically assume everyone's an athiest.
YOU MAKE A CARICATURE OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
You know nothing of the Christian faith. If you did you wouldn't be an atheist!
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 26 2008, 10:00 PM)
You know nothing of the Christian faith. If you did you wouldn't be an atheist!
Arrogant piece of trash, I was raised Catholic.
Arrogant piece of trash, I was raised Catholic.
me too...and it is my knowledge and understanding of the Christian faith that turned me away from it
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+Jun 26 2008, 07:30 PM)
Why do you ignore the Book of Mormon and more common sense?
MM
Bringer of Lite... you still haven't answered my question...
Care to?
MM
Bringer of Lite... you still haven't answered my question...
Care to?
QUOTE
We are all human you know?
are we ?????
B'o'light
you bring total darkness... you bring daemon worship, your cruel Dog <- is but a manifestation of earthlings desire to rule each other... B'o'light you are a pathetic creature of draconian propaganda... get out of this thread with your Dog <- worship
true pathetic, and in great need of reprogramming.
I guess you will sing that song all the way to hell won't you Zarkov. I pity you for your ignorance and your refusal to accept Jesus as your savior.
QUOTE
all the way to hell
LOL, Earth is hell..... earthlings are malicious spiteful daemons.....
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 05:30 AM)
I guess you will sing that song all the way to hell won't you Zarkov. I pity you for your ignorance and your refusal to accept Jesus as your savior.
Why do you keep dismissing Mohammed?
God's true prophet.
Why do you keep dismissing Mohammed?
God's true prophet.
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 12:30 AM)
I guess you will sing that song all the way to hell won't you Zarkov. I pity you for your ignorance and your refusal to accept Jesus as your savior.
Still waiting for that scientific evidence of an afterlife, heaven and hell.
Still waiting for that scientific evidence of an afterlife, heaven and hell.
The purpose of science is to aid in the creation of gods.
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