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extrasense
A Piramid which seem bo be a replica of the Great one, was photographed by the rover Spirit.

Here is the link to the picture.

Great Pyramid of Mars

It is recommended to be viewed with 3D glasses.Enjoy!

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PS.
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Here are the NASA originals, left and right eye
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/na...00P1821L0M1.JPG
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/na...00P1821R0M1.JPG

You can see pyramid agains the skyline.
ALong
At long last! We've found the home of the tooth fairy.
moron
The only thing those "left and right view" links deliver is this:

RTSP/1.0 400 Bad Request Server: QTSS/4.1.4.2 (Build/412.46.2; Platform/MacOSX) Cseq: Connection: Close

I suppose now you'll try to tell us that the pictures have been "withdrawn for reasons of National Security", or some such.

I'd like to see something a lot more substantial than that, please.
the1physicist
A clearer picture would be nice.
moron
Ahh. Never mind -- I did manage to find the originals, here:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...00P1821L0M1.JPG

So; why didn't NASA investigate this further, then? All I can see is a cone -- not a pyramid -- barely sticking out above the horizon. What's the scale and distance? With both left and right images, they should be able to tell us how far away over the horizon it is. Or otherwise, determine if it really is nothing but a conical rock that happens to be jutting out.

I should think that if it really was something suspicious, they would certainly be checking it out -- at the bare minimum, at least directing the rover a little closer towards that direction, in order to see a bit more *of* it, wouldn't you think?

What does Mars Express offer, by way of verification? If it were truly something the size of the Great Pyramid, it should be pretty easy to spot from orbit.
Guest_Peter
Call me a madman, call me a visionary, I don't care -- but I think it's... a rock.
extrasense
QUOTE (moron+Feb 19 2005, 03:06 AM)
The only thing those "left and right view" links deliver is this:
Connection: Close

This site is down. Quite unusual.
I sure would expect it to be on in few hours

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extrasense
QUOTE (the1physicist+Feb 19 2005, 03:08 AM)
A clearer picture would be nice.

Did you use 3D glasses?
Without those picture is not clear, true
extrasense
QUOTE (moron+Feb 19 2005, 03:22 AM)
Ahh.  Never mind -- I did manage to find the originals, here:
why didn't NASA investigate this further, then?

NASA is a deranged, brain dead organization.

The pyramid is small; the part that is seen above horison is 20 cm tall.
It is a a distance 16 m from the rover.
Use 3D glasses, please.

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ARtone
Sorry extra

For me its a rock too.

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extrasense
QUOTE (ARtone+Feb 19 2005, 10:07 AM)
For me its a rock too.

Sure everyone can have an "opinion".

Consider this:


A "brick" object was discovered on Mars,
with size about 120x120x20 mm.

What are the chances that such an object was formed by coincidence? They are far less than for 10 lottery drawings in a row, to produce the same numbers.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PROOF:

1. Chances of a naturally produced rock of about 10x10x3 mm being a rectungular shape, are less than 1/10, we know it from observtions on the Earth and of Mars pictures.
It is a rule of statistical physics, that
p(V2) = p(V1)**(V2/V1)

in out case V2/V1= (120*120*20)/(10*10*3) = 956
p(V2)=<1.0e-956

Let us say that every pixel on the 1000000 of Mars pictures could be a rock; it gives N=1.0e+12 rocks

Expected number of rectangular rocks of volume V2 then would be N*p(V2) = 1.0e-944

What it means is that if it were a coincidentally formed rock, to get the picture of a brick that we have, we would need to photograph Mars about <google in power ten> years in a row, which is still about <google in power ten> times longer than our universe have existed
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http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pa...00P2519L7M1.JPG

Brick is on the upper left

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moron
"NASA is a deranged, brain dead organization."

That's strange -- I thought they were primarily a *military* organisation, and thus _very_ well-versed in covert ops and overt propaganda.

"The pyramid is small; the part that is seen above horison is 20 cm tall.
It is a a distance 16 m from the rover.
Use 3D glasses, please."

Sorry -- I don't have anaglyph glasses; I prefer working in colour. I use a Matrox G-550 dual-head vidcard with two matched, 'overclocked' PanaSync Pro PL70i monitors running at 2048 x 1536, instead. I can *see* the stereo view well enough, but that still gives no absolute scale of distance or size -- only relative. For all I can tell, it could be something the size of the Atacama desert, or a small gravel pit in some Hollywood back lot... or Mojave. Heh! I'd almost half-expect to see Rutan flying around in one of those shots! ;-))
extrasense
QUOTE (moron+Feb 19 2005, 01:59 PM)
--- NASA is a deranged, brain dead organization. ---
That's strange -- I thought they were primarily a *military* organisation,

are you sure that one contradicts the another? biggrin.gif

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the1physicist
extrasense, I think the probability of finding a natural brick, so to speak, would be much higher than you've stated. First of all, I would think the probability of finding any shape of rock would be proportional to its size. That is, a smaller rock will be more likely to be a given shape than a larger rock. This is because A. there are more smaller rocks, and B. any deviations in shape will be a smaller percentage of the rock in smaller rocks. (in terms of absolute distance) Furthermore, look at some of those other rocks in the picture. While not exactly square, they do have several sides that are sharp, flat surfaces. So I guess if your 'brick' is a fake, then they all are.
rpenner
Isn't this the explorer that found it's own crashed heat shield?

Could this not be a man-made object (aka heat shield) on mars, thus it's regular appearance?
extrasense
---Isn't this the explorer that found it's own crashed heat shield?--\-

well, now many heat shields can we find? Two already were photographed.

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extrasense
What does "physicist" in your nickname mean? Does not seem that you know physics to me.

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moron
Tell the rover to turn it over -- maybe it'll say "Made in Minyos" on the bottom...
:-),)
extrasense
QUOTE (moron+Feb 20 2005, 12:31 AM)
Tell the rover to turn it over -- maybe it'll say "Made in Minyos" on the bottom...

A good idea.

Never comes to the minds of NASA, good one it is

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the1physicist
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What does "physicist" in your nickname mean? Does not seem that you know physics to me.
Maybe if you attacked my argument instead of my screenname you wouldn't look like such a flamer.
TheRockit
If you take a look at the other rocks and landscape forms in the hundreds of images these rovers have taken then you'll note a consistency in the shape of protruding or standing objects. A majority of the objects are weathered in smooth, angular and geometric shapes. Finding one out of the millions (how many rocks are there on Mars exactly) which coincidentally appears more like a pyramid than the rest doesn't seem very unlikely to me at all. Take a good look (you can find plenty of images online) at desert and antarctic weathering of rocks and soil and you should also so the consistency in varied formations here on Earth as we see on Mars. Weird pitted and geometric shapes are actually not uncommon- no matter how interesting or strange they may seem individually.

/try an image search for 'ventifacts' and you'll see what I mean.

"to err is human... uhm, did I spell 'err' correctly?"
TheRockit
Just so you all don't have to search for yourselves, here are a few links to images of ventifacts from Earth and some of them compare side by side with Martian images as well... enjoy!

"to err is human, uhm... did I spell 'err' correctly?"

http://www.dickinson.edu/departments/geol/...ventifacts.html

http://www.visualsunlimited.com/browse/vu959/vu95966.html

http://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/antar...ntifact400.jpeg

notice the 'pyramid' in this image on the left just in front of one of the bystanders... it too seems to be about 20cm tall perhaps... hmmm!
http://www.csun.edu/geology/Field_Trips/de...ifactridge.html

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/EarthSC202Slides/windslid.htm

there are many 'pyramids' in pictures on this page...
http://www.geophys.washington.edu/Surface/...yvalleys11.html

this one is a paper specifically addressing 'pyramid shaped geological forms'...
http://users.starpower.net/etorun/pyramid/geomorphology.html

TheRockit
I threw that last link about the Cydonian 'pyramid' into the mix just to be coy, there are many papers like this and many that refute them available to view.

enjoy.
extrasense
QUOTE (TheRockit+Feb 20 2005, 06:30 AM)
Finding one out of the millions (how many rocks are there on Mars exactly) which coincidentally appears more like a pyramid than the rest doesn't seem very unlikely to me at all.


Did you read my proof, based on the brick photographed the same day as the Pyramid? It is a precise proof, and it shows that the probability of the naturally accuring macroscopic regular shapes is ZERO.

extrasense
QUOTE (TheRockit+Feb 20 2005, 07:08 AM)
--- images of ventifacts from Earth ---

None of them is any good.
Try to find one with right angles, and point to it.
You can not.

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extrasense
QUOTE (the1physicist+Feb 20 2005, 06:07 AM)
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What does "physicist" in your nickname mean?
Maybe if you attacked my argument instead of my screenname ...

no need to be defensive.
I wanted to know what level of explanation you are expected to understand.

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moron
Because the atmosphere of Mars is so much thinner than our Terran, it would seem to me that although sand particles in the Martian winds may well attain a higher velocity, they would also necessarily be considerably smaller -- therefore bearing less kinetic energy for abrasion. Therefore, would this not imply that it woult take a much longer time for ventifacts to be shaped on Mars -- and, that they may indeed be shaped somewhat differently?

What *is* the current wind velocity on Mars at this moment, anyway? Does anyone know where the link to that data is? I would certainly _expect_ such real-time telemetry... wind velocity; atmospheric pressure; current ambient temperature -- where *is* that data hiding?

And for that matter -- another thing that bothers me: why is it that so very few of these images ever show the _sky_ of Mars, anyway? I would very much like to know, for instance, if certain planets and stars -- Venus and Sirius come to mind immediately -- would be visible in the sky during a clear Martian day. Carbon dioxide is a dense gas; it should have an altitude density gradient much steeper than our atmosphere, and tend to 'pool' in the lower altitudes quite a bit... which should make for a fair amount of _difference_ in ventifact formation with altitude, correct?
extrasense
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I would certainly _expect_ such real-time telemetry... wind velocity; atmospheric pressure; current ambient temperature -- where *is* that data hiding?
One would expect... But, the NASA idiots have not put any sensors for that !!!!!!!!!

Your talk about "ventifacts" is futile. Ventifacts on Mars are not cubes, pyramids, etc.

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moron
"One would expect... But, the NASA idiots have not put any sensors for that !!!!!!!!!"

Yes, they *have*, actually... but; we "citizens" are not _allowed_ any access to that data.
extrasense
QUOTE (moron+Feb 20 2005, 08:47 PM)
"One would expect... But, the NASA idiots have not put any sensors for that !!!!!!!!!" ---Yes, they *have*, actually... but; we "citizens" are not _allowed_ any access to that data.

how do you know that? You are still guessing, are you?
guest_mike
QUOTE (extrasense+Feb 20 2005, 08:18 AM)
QUOTE (TheRockit+Feb 20 2005, 06:30 AM)
Finding one out of the millions (how many rocks are there on Mars exactly) which coincidentally appears more like a pyramid than the rest doesn't seem very unlikely to me at all.


Did you read my proof, based on the brick photographed the same day as the Pyramid? It is a precise proof, and it shows that the probability of the naturally accuring macroscopic regular shapes is ZERO.

I don't want to burst your bubble extrasense, but I work in iron ore mining, and there is a remarkable number of small square or rectangular rocks in the Pilbara in Western Australia, just lying around on the ground. The geology of the rock means it fractures into squares quite easily.
moron
"Using the Mini-TES instrument, the atmospheric team can determine the temperature of the Martian atmosphere at various heights from the surface to about two kilometers (about 1.2 miles) above the surface."

(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer/spotlight/spirit/a10_20040120.html)

"Just like the human brain, the rover computers register signs of health, temperature, and other features that keep the rovers "alive."

(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer/mission/spacecraft_rover_brains.html)

Not to mention the instrumentation in the landers themselves...

So -- where's the real-time _data_, eh? I do NOT believe for a single attosecond that they would be SO brain-dead as to _not_ monitor the temperature... they just won't let *us* see it. Why?
tireiss
I personally don't believe that there was life on mars, nor was there water.
Sure NASA wants us to believe this, but they just started to explore mars.
Personally it was gases that surrounded mars, that have disappated.

For the pyramids, it could be several things, that have hit and built on mars.
Stars, crashing into mars after time they build up.
They (stars) don't cinagrate. They build up and continue to move around the earth, if they leave there belt way then out to atomsphere, there they go.
Tim Reiss
always reaching for success.
galactic warrior
ok ok settle down ok you need size and how big are the rovers and to another subject on pictures stitched together what sort of cameras are the rovers using.
If you find that out then you can be sure it is not very big and rovers might take a week to get there if it is bigger than we think.!
extrasense
QUOTE (guest_mike+Feb 20 2005, 10:15 PM)
I don't want to burst your bubble extrasense, but I work in iron ore mining, and there is a remarkable number of small square or rectangular rocks in the Pilbara in Western Australia, just lying around on the ground. The geology of the rock means it fractures into squares quite easily.

This might be an importent observation, thanks.
Nevertheless, we do not observe any of those on the Mars pictures.
Does it convince you a little?

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TheRockit
I just don't see right angles or cubes in martian images any more convincingly than I see the same shapes in common earth rock forms. As we are finding these rovers with over a year of service and thousands of high resolution images streaming back to us I certainly see 'interesting' and exciting images... but I have yet to see anything that looks artificial or out of place scattered about the landscape.
alkj0qjnv
Now of course there is photographs of the Martians and once and for all we know there is life there. The whirlwinds that Spirit has been photghaphing are the Martians, and they have even given Spirit a dry bath recently. More and more are showing up where Spirit is investigating the strata. I suppose it is hard for the to fathom beings has hard as us, we will be their Super Heros.
Ron
Hey guys,
No one has mentioned if this picture is from the Cydonia region, where the Viking pictures caused such a stir over the 'face' and other pyramid-like objects. Do you have any links, moron (no offense), that give more info on what other people think of these pic's? I'm suprised metaresearch.org hasn't picked it up.
thx,
Ron
clanger
QUOTE (extrasense+Feb 19 2005, 11:44 AM)
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pa...00P2519L7M1.JPG

Brick is on the upper left

well the pyramid doesn't look really regular to me, more like the tip of a rock?

the square 'brick' extrasense referred to in a later post, see the above URL, is much more interesting - note that you have to look carefully for it, it's not one of the obvious rocks in that picture, which aren't regular at all, it's about a third of the way down on the left, nearly right at the left side of the picture.

I don't know how extrasense came up with dimensions for it when all you can see is a single protruding corner, but it does seem really smooth, much smoother than other mars rocks, and it also seems to be a nearly perfect (if not perfect) right-angled corner.

it's surprising if they didn't investigate it - quite likely that if dug up it would not be brick shaped at all, but only have a single corner that is almost perfect. But now we'll never know!
Jmor
QUOTE (clanger+Aug 29 2005, 08:55 PM)
[QUOTE=extrasense,Feb 19 2005, 11:44 AM] http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pa...00P2519L7M1.JPG

I don't know how extrasense came up with dimensions for it when all you can see is a single protruding corner, but it does seem really smooth, much smoother than other mars rocks, and it also seems to be a nearly perfect (if not perfect) right-angled corner.

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I agree, the brick is much more interesting than the piramid, which seems to be a simple common rock. But the brick is really unusual, not only because the perfect squares, but there is also a strange "perfect grey band" in the right side of the brick.

Too many perfect parallel shapes for a simple rock, isn't it?.

Guest
QUOTE (extrasense+Feb 19 2005, 11:44 AM)
A "brick" object was discovered on Mars,
with size about 120x120x20 mm.

What are the chances that such an object was formed by coincidence? They are far less than for 10 lottery drawings in a row, to produce the same numbers.

Ya think? How about:
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I shudder at the thought if such structures would have been found on Mars. Because that would have really fuelled thousands of website with all sorts of theories. Where in this case we have clear proof that is just natuarlly formed.

Just image the websites drawing circles at the areas where they think the doors and windows were

You can flash around all the math and statistics that you like, but raw evidence in the millions on the earth show that things you wouldn't expect to form naturally simply do. You are bending the statistics to your own theories, instead of properly using them.
Guest
To add to my post above, (I can't edit it and too lazy to register) one has to wonder why there aren't millions of websites discussing the species that built such formations. The answer is simple, because they have been studied from up close and clearly show natural erosion.

These and other natural formations on earth look much more fantastic than all the mars face, tubes, tiny brick piece and pyramid pictures put together and yet no one dares calling them artificially made.
ubavontuba
Hello,

As an avid 3D photographer and image junkie I thought I'd give you my unsolicited opinion.

The "pyramid" is too grainy to make out with certainty. Depending on how you look at it, it might be either conical or a rough pyramid. The camera angle is quite low, as evidenced by the multiple horizons caused by the low rises when viewed in 3D. 20cm sounds about right for height given that the Mars Rover's cameras are supposed to simulate human eye spacing, but without a scalable object next to it, it isn't possible to be sure.

There are hints of as many as 3 faces in view, it is also possible that the dark patch on the upper left is an indication of a jagged face. It is pretty regular from this angle, but that means nothing. I've seen many a natural object look regular from certain perspectives.

Conclusion: This "pyramid" is likely to be a naturally occurring, large, sharp boulder befitting the sharp rock strewn landscape, but it's impossible to be certain.

The "brick" is more clear (although I didn't look to see if there was a 3D version and therefore only used the 2D image).

It's not nearly as regular as it would first appear. There is a definite hump shape to the gray stripe on the right where it meets the dirt. The short face on the left is also not square. There is a decided dish shape to it.

It does appear to be roughly square and regular over a large percentage of it on the forward and upper faces, and it's hinted that the rear face is also square, but this is not definite.

Conclusion: The gray striped, humped area leads me to believe that this rock may be composed of two different materials with differing erosion properties. It may also be possible that the gray striped area was protected from erosion for an extended period of time.

Although multiple right angles are naturally rare, given the local debris in which to compare it to, I would consider it interesting but not overtly unusual. I would like to know why it seems to have eroded differently in different sections though.

Side note: Here's an interesting site for you: D&M pyramid symmetry. It's very interesting to view the stereo image and the flip-flopping image. The symmetry is remarkable, but not perfect.

Personally, considering the many natural wonders on Earth that resemble this and that, I don't think it's unusual to see images like this from elsewhere. I particularly liked the moon that looked like the Death Star from Star Wars. Does anyone really think The Empire parked it in our solar system for safe keeping?
Oboesapien
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

-Sherlock Holmes, A Scandal in Bohemia

Ask yourself, extra: how much hard data do you really have? Grainy pictures that could be a pyramid, a cone, a -see above pictures of columns -, or possibly Elvis, don't count. As for the 'brick'? I know this point was made earlier, but it's not hard to find square rock. I *hangs head* attend a small, middle-of-nowhere high school, and I could probably find a square rock in the gravel pile behind my house.
Considering how many 'verified' photos of UFOs, aliens, and Nessie there are on Earth, I think the logical portion of the population has little chance of supressing pyramid sightings on Mars, but PhysOrg isn't the place for it.

As always, I could be wrong.
extrasense
QUOTE (Oboesapien+Dec 25 2005, 03:21 PM)
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."-Sherlock Holmes
Ask yourself, extra: how much hard data do you really have?

It could be that there was not enough data then, a year ago - although the general impression was correct.
You can see that now there is overwhelming amount of evidence, and the conclusion about presense of life on Mars is unescapable. Get your 3D glasses and enjoy:

Life on Mars

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extrasense
QUOTE (ubavontuba+Dec 25 2005, 09:57 AM)
As an avid 3D photographer and image junkie I thought I'd give you my unsolicited opinion.

ubavontuba, I am happy to have your comment. The people are catching up with the reality now.

Look here:

Life on Mars

Best,

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Guest
QUOTE (Oboesapien+Dec 25 2005, 03:21 PM)
As for the 'brick'? I know this point was made earlier, but it's not hard to find square rock. I *hangs head* attend a small, middle-of-nowhere high school, and I could probably find a square rock in the gravel pile behind my house.

There is no need to find a WHOLE square rock to make your point. Only a part of a rock is visible that resembles the PART of a brick. The only thing that is required to call it a brick from there on is the imagination and the expectation of a human mind to suddenly call it a "brick" as if we could suddenly see how the rest of the rock looks like which is still buried underneath the soil
Guest
QUOTE (extrasense+Dec 25 2005, 05:52 PM)
It could be that there was not enough data then, a year ago - although the general impression was correct.
You can see that now there is overwhelming amount of evidence, and the conclusion about presense of life on Mars is unescapable. Get your 3D glasses and enjoy:

Life on Mars

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No one -not even the sceptice like me- is contesting that it is possible that there is life on Mars. But that doesn't mean that bacteria that might have lived there, or still do are building pyramids.

The proof provided by NASA is scientific data that points to the possibility of life. The pictures of "bricks" and "pyramids" that are shown are just as scientific as saying that the Grand Canyon formations must have been made by aliens.
extrasense
""""scientific data that points to the possibility of life. """"

Scientific or anecdotal, there is a life out there, period.

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zardinuk
You're all brain dead. I'm very disappointed with the PhysOrg community.
Guest
QUOTE (extrasense+Dec 27 2005, 04:59 PM)
""""scientific data that points to the possibility of life. """"

Scientific or anecdotal, there is a life out there, period.

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Where do you get that "period". There is no 100% evidence present as of yet. On what evidence are you basing your "period" on? NASA showed that it is entirely possible that life may have existed or still does. But that only applies to bacterial life, no picture of a formation on Mars has anything to do with that, period.
extrasense
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 28 2005, 12:24 AM)
""there is a life out there, period.""
--On what evidence ?

Your doubts based on the fact, that you probably read only the new york times. That the corrupt official "science" and media which we have do not say so, does not mean it is not true - not more than that if it says something it is actually true.

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Guest
QUOTE (extrasense+Dec 28 2005, 05:09 AM)
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 28 2005, 12:24 AM)
""there is a life out there, period.""
--On what evidence ?

Your doubts based on the fact, that you probably read only the new york times. That the corrupt official "science" and media which we have do not say so, does not mean it is not true - not more than that if it says something it is actually true.

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Actually I have never read the NY times in my life (I am not a US resident). However I have read many different sources on this matter, mostly on the internet. Both sites that believe in ET on MARS and NASA conspiracies and the ones that don't. More sites of the believers though, becuase there are so many, many more of them... The curious thing though is that the sites that claim all sorts of elaborate hoaxes do so based solely on the pictures kindly provided by their very enemy: the NASA.

So on one hand the NASA can't be trusted and false colors pictures and denies that structures are clearly intelligently-made. But on the other hand the pictures that happen to fit their beliefs are suddenly 100% to be trusted, even though they are provided by the same untrustworthy NASA. You either trust the NASA or you don't, you can't just pick the data that you like and ignore the data that you don't like from the same source. Not if you want to be scientific about it anyway.

You still haven't answered my question: On what evidence are you basing your "period" on? Not on pictures provided by the totally untrustworthy NASA I hope?
Guest448
They say space is infinite, also there are many many stars that exist in this space. Each star has a chance of producing life. And they theorize that black holes are portals to extra dimensions. So the chance of life existing, having existed, or will exist on other places other then earth or possible places settled by Humans is very likely. However its not definite as well as the fact that the size of space is so massive that the chances of finding, communicating and making contact with them is insanely small. I mean we as a species will kill our selves in a couple thousand years maybe less, if u believe that history repeats it’s self then the modern world order will fall like that of Rome or The Ancient Civilizations like the Harrapa ( the ancient civilization that developed on the Hindus river valley). So we wont be around for the length of time needed to find other beings.
extrasense
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 29 2005, 12:46 AM)
You still haven't answered my question: On what evidence are you basing your "period" on? Not on pictures provided by the totally untrustworthy NASA I hope?

You are wrong, and I do not think that NASA is "untrustworthy".

The "science" is not done by the NASA, it is outsourced to whoever - but it is double Chinese to you biggrin.gif

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Guest
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extrasense
You are wrong, and I do not think that NASA is "untrustworthy".

Well, then consider my remark directed at 99% of the websites that advocate the existence of intelligent life on Mars that DO undermine everything what NASA says.

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extrasense
You are wrong, and I do not think that NASA is "untrustworthy".

Well, then consider my remark directed at 99% of the websites that advocate the existence of intelligent life on Mars that DO undermine everything what NASA says.


The "science" is not done by the NASA, it is outsourced to whoever - but it is double Chinese to you  biggrin.gif

That's always a good argument: "I know things you don't understand, so I shan't be bothered explaining them to your puny little brain". It is your right to believe just that, but there is little point in posting that view on a public forum and pretending to participate in a open discussion. Just saying "this and that, -period-" and not responding to civilised questions as to how you formed your opinion is just plain rude. Why not elaborate on your evidence? Give links, give a summary of why you feel it proves something. You are now just saying "I'm right and smart, you're wrong and stupid". And you know what? You may be right, but that still means that you should explain your theory and your sources, your post is pointless as it is. You haven't issued a single one of my questions, or the fact that natural formations on earth show how many strange things are possible just by chance. On the other hand you spent almost all of your respones to me by insulting me that I "just read the NY Times" and aren't as enlightened as you and can't understand a thing you are saying because it is just at another level I will never be able to grasp. Be factual, respond scientifically instead of personally. You seem to have no trouble to do that with posters that already agree with you.
extrasense
I've get that you are not American, this is why I doubt you understand our outsourcing. Not because I think you are stupid at all


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Guest
QUOTE (extrasense+Dec 30 2005, 04:30 AM)
I've get that you are not American, this is why I doubt you understand our outsourcing. Not because I think you are stupid at all


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Ok, fair enough. Maybe I misunderstood, it sounded a bit insulting to me. So how about responding to my questions? What is in your eyes the definite proof that life exists on Mars, and does that include intelligent pyramid bullding ones in your opinion?
extrasense
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 31 2005, 01:46 AM)
On what evidence are you basing your "period" on? Not on pictures provided by the totally untrustworthy NASA I hope?
-...- What is in your eyes the definite proof that life exists on Mars, and does that include intelligent pyramid building ones in your opinion

The part about NASA is already answered, I guess.
The "pyramid" is just an observation, quite interesting although. Your interpretation of it is probably as good as mine. Still an interesting thing to ponder, is not it?

On the whole, from what I have seen in the Rover imagery, I am convinced that there were intelligent beings out there, who had produced some construction, seen now as ruins.
Without saying it goes, that most likely there is macroscopic life out there right now.

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QUOTE (extrasense+Dec 31 2005, 11:19 AM)
On the whole, from what I have seen in the Rover imagery, I am convinced that there were intelligent beings out there, who had produced some construction, seen now as ruins.
Without saying it goes, that most likely there is macroscopic life out there right now.

But what "ruins" do you consider to be prove of past intelligent life? You haven't responded at all to my example pictures of Arizona. The "perfect brick" you posted is about 1% as impressive as those natural formations on earth, isn't it?

Be honest, if some of those natural structures on earth were found on Mars, wouldn't you have claimed them as well as proof of ruins? Because they look totally weird if they would have been found somewhere else, but still they are just natural.

What I am trying to saying is that seemingly strange structures can never be accepted as proof of intelligent life making them, because there are just too many examples of those that have not been built by intelligent life.
extrasense
QUOTE (Guest+Jan 15 2006, 01:59 AM)
QUOTE (extrasense+Dec 31 2005, 11:19 AM)
On the whole, from what I have seen in the Rover imagery, I am convinced that there were intelligent beings out there, who had produced some construction, seen now as ruins. 


seemingly strange structures can never be accepted as proof of intelligent life making them, because there are just too many examples of those that have not been built by intelligent life.


All your examples:

1. are not stereo, they seem to be something only from selected point of view
2. seem to be something on the particular scale, but a closer look at details betray their origin
3. Their sizes are arbitrary, as one would expect from mere coincidences

It is a mistake, to think that something complex and detailed, has any chance to be created by chance biggrin.gif


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atfpcop
OK i got something for all of you to ponder but first lets clear the air, No one has looked hard enough at the web to find the info i found, i will have to track it down again but basically yes we do have access to weather reports for Mars, complements of NASA, yes they fumble alot, we all see how much they spend on the space project yet only metal and electronics get to set foot on mars. The Photos we can find of mars and the reports given indicate that there was water but it left the face of the planet in a hurry and what did not leave is trapped in ice at either end of the planet. As far as i know only two things can remove the surface covering of a planet that thorough, and that would be nuclear devastation or an asteroid impact. As far as stars impacting the planet "tireiss" last i checked if a star hit mars or entered our solar system we wouldn't know cause we would be dead and our planet would be gone. give extra some slack mars is still the un discovered country so to speak
extrasense
QUOTE (atfpcop+Mar 10 2006, 12:19 AM)
give extra some slack mars is still the undiscovered country so to speak

Thanks.

Does THIS SITE convince anybody?

ES

Confused2
Looks like amazing pictures of martian rocks .. could you pick out the best one?
-C2.
extrasense
QUOTE (Confused2+May 11 2006, 11:24 PM)
Looks like amazing pictures of martian rocks .. could you pick out the best one?

Well,

They are not simply "rocks" ....

I hope you have 3D glasses.

The two that I like most, are MI images, COIN #11 and TOWER #21 on the MAIN page.

The 3D glasses are a must.


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tdcanam
A friend of mine just told me that it was absolutely impossible for us today to rebuild the Great pyramid. Is this true? I told him he was full of crap. With our tech./eng. skills today, I am positive that we could build it to the exact scale using the exact same size rocks at the exact weight of each. Am I wrong?
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