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Quantum_Conundrum
Currency, stocks, bonds, coupons, etc. They are all paper or some other relatively worthless item that is used to allegedly trade goods and services.


But they are actually detrimental to civilization due to exploitation of the markets.


Examples:

Currency Exchange: cheats somebody every time.
Two working class people perform the exact same service at the exact same quality, but they live in different countries. One or the other or both of these men will get screwed over by the currency market. The "Real" value of their good or service produced is identical, but when they go to spend teh currency they earned, at least one of them will get "screwed".

Even a one world currency would not solve this problem. AFter all, what is a computer really worth? in the end, food, clothing, shelter, Information technology, and medicine are what keep human beings and civilization alive. A piece of paper is worthless in and of itself, and it hides the true value of a good or service. How many meals would you give up for a computer? How many computers would you give up for a meal?


Brokers.
They actually contribute absolutely nothing to the economy or civilization in general. All these people do all day long is switch around some numbers trading fake wealth, whether currency, stocks, bonds, or whatever, for "real" wealth. How does this work? You buy a less valuable currency or stock and wait a few weeks, months,or years, and sell this paper for something else that is hopefully worth much more. Then you convert it to "real" wealth by buying REAL assets such as real estate and staple businesses that provide the basics of life, like farms or mining companies.

The broker produces absolutely no goods or services, but gets filthy rich by "gambling" and playing with numbers. The laborers who actually produce the goods and services get just enough to keep them from revolting against the government or the company. The company's top few owners and CEO often get filthy rich, even if the company itself is losing money. How? Broker bought low and sold high, due to speculations, he makes thousands or millions of dollars in "fake" money by doing absolutely nothing to contribute to the "real" success of the civilization, he simply exploits other members of civilization.

One reason the US dollar keeps losing value is because as much as 70% of US citizens do not produce goods or services at all! That's right, they contribute nothing whatsoever to the survival of civilization, but are "working" in "fake" number markets either directly or indirectly.

Things that contribute virtually nothing to survival of civilization:

Casinos
banking
Stocks
bonds
mutual funds
currency markets
most lawyers
many forms of entertainment industry(especially movie theatres)
prisons - most death row inmates and most lifers
etc


Most of these things are literally gambling or functionally identical to gambling, but they are much more than just that.

As stated, the first 6 of these things literally contribute nothing or virtually nothing to civilization, all they do is make some people filthy rich at everyone else's expense.

Entertainers are masters of legalized price gouging. Don't believe me? Just go to a movie. Who pays $3-$5 for a soda? Not me, but it appears millions of American's are so thirsty and hungry on friday and saturday nights that they are willing to pay 1000% markup on the fair value of a drink or bag of popcorn. Did the person who actually produced the soda or bag of popcorn make that money? No! In the end, the theatre owner and Tom Cruise and Harrison Ford got the money!

Zarkov
Golden Calf Worship... and you all believe so then it must be true !

LOL

Oh you cry and call out, threat and whimper, but y'all pay homage

and if you revolt, the same status quo reforms and regains strength, because y'all really wanta just have fun

Is the meaning of LIFE.....pleasure or is it achievement ?

There are those here that seriously want to discuss science... but MOST just want to have fun and destroy...

So whatca gonna do ?..... you run away, THEY find you and destroy (like wacco et al)

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine !!!!!!!!!!
Quantum_Conundrum
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 27 2008, 04:46 PM)
Golden Calf Worship... and you all believe so then it must be true !

LOL

Oh you cry and call out, threat and whimper, but y'all pay homage

and if you revolt, the same status quo reforms and regains strength, because y'all really wanta just have fun

Is the meaning of LIFE.....pleasure or is it achievement ?

There are those here that seriously want to discuss science... but MOST just want to have fun and destroy...

So whatca gonna do ?..... you run away, THEY find you and destroy (like wacco et al)

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine !!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it is Golden Calf Worship, you are exactly right.

Well, the majority of the entertainment and casino aspect is anyway.

I will say this, I am guilty of far too much entertainment, but I've never even set foot inside a casino. IN fact, the total amount of "wealth" I waste on entertainment in a month is far less than what most americans do. I rarely buy anything that I don't need, and I neither smoke nor drink and have never done drugs, or anything like that. If you take all the amount of money I have ever spent on pure entertainment, mostly computer or television related, it would still be less than a lot of people spend hot-rodding their car, not to mention my computer is actually useful for work and other important communications.

As for corporations and currency markets, I have no real control over that, as these things have existed for generations and I can think of nothing of any significance that I could ever do to change the situation, other than complaining about it until enough other dumb sheep start to feel the same way.

Usually, however, what happens is the other dumb sheep just tell me to shut up.


Excellent post though, Zarkov.

Most people may not be worshipping Baal, Dagon, or Chemosh any more, but they are just as much idol worshippers now as they were 3000 years ago, if not more so.

Now they don't worship Baal, they worship Britney, Madonna, Brad Pitt, etc, or they worship their favorite false prosperity preacher on television.
egnorant
Money is just a method of keeping score.
It allows wider and simplified method of trading is the key.
Money is not wealth..stuff is wealth.

Even gold is not wealth...its just hard to counterfeit.
If I have potatoes and need bricks, money allows me the luxury of providing potatoes to people who need potatoes rather than just the one guy who happens to have bricks and needs potatoes.

True there are many parasitic entities that offer no tangible value that rack up a higher money score.
Don't like these guys? Don't give them your money!!
Taxes? Demanding cash with menace!
Gambling? Maybe a big score increase....or not!
Insurance? Pay to prevent a sudden lower score for just a small decrease every month.
Advertising? Give us money to increase the value of your wealth.
Credit? We sell you a big score today for a smaller score every month...not worth it.


Don't like the game?
Then either don't play or play to win!

Bruce
uaafanblog
It's concerning to me how much of an impact Visa has on how money changes hands in the western world. Their commercials are great examples ...

In every one they show a world moving along gracefully at some assumed to be efficient pace with EVERYONE paying for their goods or services using their magic Visa check card only to have the whole thing screwed up by some boob using cash.

Their slogan is quite subtly one of the best of all time in marketing terms .... Life takes Visa ... which implies without saying so that you aren't participating in "Life" unless you use a Visa card. These TV commercials are much more programming for the masses than they are any sort of classic advertisement. And they are effective. The number of cash transactions decreases year after year in favor of debit cards.

It's a troubling trend. Every transaction you make with such a card is piece of a grander puzzle that you are ceding to these companies. As the pool of transactions grows larger these companies begin to understand more and more about what each of us are doing. It directly empowers them to create a system that will ultimately subvert our individuality. We are in effect turning ourselves into the sheep that these companies need us to be.

I've made a conscious decision to be a cash only guy. I take my paycheck to the issuing bank and cash it on the day I receive it. I no longer use credit cards or debit cards of any kind.
Quantum_Conundrum
QUOTE (egnorant+Jun 1 2008, 08:52 AM)
Money is just a method of keeping score.
It allows wider and simplified method of trading is the key.
Money is not wealth..stuff is wealth.

Even gold is not wealth...its just hard to counterfeit.
If I have potatoes and need bricks, money allows me the luxury of providing potatoes to people who need potatoes rather than just the one guy who happens to have bricks and needs potatoes.

True there are many parasitic entities that offer no tangible value that rack up a higher money score.
Don't like these guys? Don't give them your money!!
Taxes? Demanding cash with menace!
Gambling? Maybe a big score increase....or not!
Insurance? Pay to prevent a sudden lower score for just a small decrease every month.
Advertising? Give us money to increase the value of your wealth.
Credit? We sell you a big score today for a smaller score every month...not worth it.


Don't like the game?
Then either don't play or play to win!

Bruce

"The Game", as you put it, is not one I wish to participate in.

Zarkov
There is nothing wrong with the concept of money..... it is the concept that is you have enough you can corrupt anyone that is the problem

and as far as good go..... if someone has too much money they cause those with lesser amounts to be depreciated ... this leads to power and corruption....

No one should be able to earn/accumulate money more than a certain amount....

but to control this the political structure of the country must be "communal"

and the "leaders" need to be very wise so as to rise above power and greed

a tall call for primitive earthlings
minorwork
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 27 2008, 09:35 PM)



The "Real" value of their good or service produced is identical, but when they go to spend teh currency they earned, at least one of them will get "screwed".


Don't think the value of a rainmaker's work in a flooded area would have as much value as when the same area was drought stricken no matter how much effort he put into his job. You confuse effort, with value.
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