How? Why? When will it stop? Why does he continue to beat the drum?
Poor meem. Even the energizer bunny upsets him.
I think the commercials are great, where he's banging away on his little drum, then the alien space craft comes along and gets a jump start from him, then they appear to leave, but come back and take him away.You don't like the energizer bunny? He's cool. A pink rabbit with sun glasses and a drum, what's better then that? Maybe we could ask Micheal Phelps to wear a pink speedo to go with his goggles? I think he would do it, he's a stoner. Both I think are very funny.
...
I wonder what kind of ship the energizer bunny is on? Since he has a drum, would that make him the stroke master?
QUOTE
Plato's Ship of Fools
In the Republic, book vi, Plato describes the following scene:
"Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the steering --every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain's senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain's hands into their own whether by force or persuasion, they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer's art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?" [Translated by Benjamin Jowett]
In the Republic, book vi, Plato describes the following scene:
"Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the steering --every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain's senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain's hands into their own whether by force or persuasion, they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer's art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?" [Translated by Benjamin Jowett]
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 2 2009, 05:24 PM)
I wonder what kind of ship the energizer bunny is on? Since he has a drum, would that make him the stroke master?
Weren't you just complaining that people assume the worst about you on every thread? What is the point of this discussion besides trying to get banned?
Weren't you just complaining that people assume the worst about you on every thread? What is the point of this discussion besides trying to get banned?
Yeah this is worse then my primes thing...
[Moderator: Thanks for reminding me. You owe many of us an apology for that primes thing.]
[Moderator: Thanks for reminding me. You owe many of us an apology for that primes thing.]
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 2 2009, 10:01 PM)
Weren't you just complaining that people assume the worst about you on every thread? What is the point of this discussion besides trying to get banned?
The point is, I not going to pretend like things aren't being said to me. I know when to quit. Let me ask you someth Flying, would you like for me to make it my sole intentions to push your buttons? I have dropped my argument to the ships captain, rpenner. I can't help it if my argument is about those who feel the need to keep going on. I dropped my argument for rpenner. That was the intention of the other thread, for him, not everyone else. I guess there is truly no point to any discussion on this forum, because it never takes place.
Who cares about the forum, why should I care if I get banned, like there are some sort of standards here of behavior, why does my behavior then matter so much if I am idiot and people like to argue with idiots? I mean should I start playing by the same acceptable rules? when I see someone post something incorrect (even if it is not-but I will say it is, and then after realizing I was an idiot put up a smoke screen and say I never doubted you were in the army, but the lie I was accused of was not of being in the army but that the position I said I had in the army doesn't even exist) I will bust into the thread and curse like no tomorrow, because that will make me a swell guy, that will prove how great I am.
And even after someone respectfully bows out, I will go on about how right I was, and how wrong the other person was. I'll just keep banging my drum, and singing my song ... whining saying that someone else is nothing but a whiner.
There are no real discussions going on in this forum because it seems like all those people have been chased off. All that seems to be left are wackos and self proclaimed wacko slayers.
Like the genius remark of alex g saying what does the singularity effect going on witha sonic boom have anything to do with what's going on with the "possible" singularity effect of a black-hole ... they both represent physics? I mean ... seriously
... how can you not see any sort of connection? Everybody that knows so much about science hasn't even come close to making an attempt at the tether thread. Seriously, the only thing I feel like I am learning here is how to drive people away. What would I be losing? Intelligent conversation, the kind one would find in academic circles? That was the measure "my stolen words" were held up to, what about others real words? (and I don't care about people want to say I did or did not do, I care about the standard I was held to and the same one others aren't) When's the last time you saw a prof, spend all his time insulting people in his class? I'm the one who shouldn't become a teacher though ... lol whatever ...
And I'm a fool for being who I am right? for showing my identity on a public forum? Maybe I should start wearing a sky-mask to class and when I go to the store, I'm sure that would go over well. Who's afraid to be who they are? I'm not, I'm not afraid to ask questions either, or of a challenge. I have a backbone, I don't pretend that I do to get my kicks. If you think life is a joke, the joke is going to end up all over your face someday.
I mean repenner is the sole moderator ... he can't be an expert on every single forum subject, nobody is that smart, so I would guess his most important role would be to control behavior.
Walk the plank, boild him in oil, burn the witch, crucify the jew lover, chop of the heard of the infidel, bann meem, make him shut up, becuase he sounds so full of himself, regardless of wether or not he makes a point, screw his point. We can slander the crap out of him, but if he talks about anything remotely take his off. People are more concerned with suckeling each other teets around here than learning or teaching. It's like an ego-booster-club.
And some people act like they are concerned, but when it comes down to a line being drawn, they rather draw the line that would keep them in the circle than risk draw the line that would keep them out. I would question that person's sense of self worth. Do I want to fit in so badly, that I will allow myself to warm up to those who mock me every chance they think they have? This is afterall, much like mentioned, the internet .... there's a million and one places to go. and that's why all the people with Dr. and PhD in there names probably aren't here anymore, becuase I am sure the jig was up before I got here. It seems to have happened sometime last year. Too much BS takes place here, because it's allowed.
like the fool favorite that is kept around for jollies, not science, amrit says
Wake up.
The point is, I not going to pretend like things aren't being said to me. I know when to quit. Let me ask you someth Flying, would you like for me to make it my sole intentions to push your buttons? I have dropped my argument to the ships captain, rpenner. I can't help it if my argument is about those who feel the need to keep going on. I dropped my argument for rpenner. That was the intention of the other thread, for him, not everyone else. I guess there is truly no point to any discussion on this forum, because it never takes place.
Who cares about the forum, why should I care if I get banned, like there are some sort of standards here of behavior, why does my behavior then matter so much if I am idiot and people like to argue with idiots? I mean should I start playing by the same acceptable rules? when I see someone post something incorrect (even if it is not-but I will say it is, and then after realizing I was an idiot put up a smoke screen and say I never doubted you were in the army, but the lie I was accused of was not of being in the army but that the position I said I had in the army doesn't even exist) I will bust into the thread and curse like no tomorrow, because that will make me a swell guy, that will prove how great I am.
And even after someone respectfully bows out, I will go on about how right I was, and how wrong the other person was. I'll just keep banging my drum, and singing my song ... whining saying that someone else is nothing but a whiner.
There are no real discussions going on in this forum because it seems like all those people have been chased off. All that seems to be left are wackos and self proclaimed wacko slayers.
Like the genius remark of alex g saying what does the singularity effect going on witha sonic boom have anything to do with what's going on with the "possible" singularity effect of a black-hole ... they both represent physics? I mean ... seriously
... how can you not see any sort of connection? Everybody that knows so much about science hasn't even come close to making an attempt at the tether thread. Seriously, the only thing I feel like I am learning here is how to drive people away. What would I be losing? Intelligent conversation, the kind one would find in academic circles? That was the measure "my stolen words" were held up to, what about others real words? (and I don't care about people want to say I did or did not do, I care about the standard I was held to and the same one others aren't) When's the last time you saw a prof, spend all his time insulting people in his class? I'm the one who shouldn't become a teacher though ... lol whatever ...And I'm a fool for being who I am right? for showing my identity on a public forum? Maybe I should start wearing a sky-mask to class and when I go to the store, I'm sure that would go over well. Who's afraid to be who they are? I'm not, I'm not afraid to ask questions either, or of a challenge. I have a backbone, I don't pretend that I do to get my kicks. If you think life is a joke, the joke is going to end up all over your face someday.
I mean repenner is the sole moderator ... he can't be an expert on every single forum subject, nobody is that smart, so I would guess his most important role would be to control behavior.
Walk the plank, boild him in oil, burn the witch, crucify the jew lover, chop of the heard of the infidel, bann meem, make him shut up, becuase he sounds so full of himself, regardless of wether or not he makes a point, screw his point. We can slander the crap out of him, but if he talks about anything remotely take his off. People are more concerned with suckeling each other teets around here than learning or teaching. It's like an ego-booster-club.
And some people act like they are concerned, but when it comes down to a line being drawn, they rather draw the line that would keep them in the circle than risk draw the line that would keep them out. I would question that person's sense of self worth. Do I want to fit in so badly, that I will allow myself to warm up to those who mock me every chance they think they have? This is afterall, much like mentioned, the internet .... there's a million and one places to go. and that's why all the people with Dr. and PhD in there names probably aren't here anymore, becuase I am sure the jig was up before I got here. It seems to have happened sometime last year. Too much BS takes place here, because it's allowed.
like the fool favorite that is kept around for jollies, not science, amrit says
Wake up.
OFF-TOPIC
A Challenge for you, meem. Can you synopsize your previous post? Say the same thing in about, like, 10% the online space? Or at least partition your post in congestible/readable manner? As the one with the "outsider" POV, the onus is upon you to be as clear and concise as possible, regardless of the merit, or lack thereof, of your views and/or ideas.
Less is sometimes more...
Best,
Raphie
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P.S. @ meem. [Edit: Deleted P.S. in the interests of brevity...]
A Challenge for you, meem. Can you synopsize your previous post? Say the same thing in about, like, 10% the online space? Or at least partition your post in congestible/readable manner? As the one with the "outsider" POV, the onus is upon you to be as clear and concise as possible, regardless of the merit, or lack thereof, of your views and/or ideas.
Less is sometimes more...
Best,
Raphie
============================================================
P.S. @ meem. [Edit: Deleted P.S. in the interests of brevity...]
Well see, that's the irony of it, neither work. When left simply, it's too simple and not choherent enough to make any sense. Like they way to not be affected by by scotch is to not drink it, if I am forced to only drink scotch, that forces the outcome of the experiment by eliminating the choice. When I am long winded, I am just whining or trying to prove something, assumed to be my self righteousness. So, where does that leave me? I would like to think that leaves me to how it has been said beast and long ago.
Yo ho, yo ho, a priate's life for me?
P.S.
P.S. book II
P.S. book II
"Moderation, which consists in an indifference about little things, and in a prudent and well-proportioned zeal about things of importance, can proceed from nothing but true knowledge, which has its foundation in self-acquaintance."
Plato
I will.
It goes something along the lines of:
"Whine, whine, whine. Bitch bitch. Whine, whine.
No thank you. It's a parable.
(Edit)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contrivances
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appearances
Yo ho, yo ho, a priate's life for me?
P.S.
QUOTE
Plato's Ship of Fools
In the Republic, book vi, Plato describes the following scene:
"Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the steering --every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain's senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain's hands into their own whether by force or persuasion, they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer's art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?" [Translated by Benjamin Jowett]
In the Republic, book vi, Plato describes the following scene:
"Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the steering --every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain's senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain's hands into their own whether by force or persuasion, they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer's art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?" [Translated by Benjamin Jowett]
P.S. book II
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| Plato's Ship of Fools In the Republic, book vi, Plato describes the following scene: "Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the steering --every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain's senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain's hands into their own whether by force or persuasion, they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer's art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?" [Translated by Benjamin Jowett] |
P.S. book II
"Moderation, which consists in an indifference about little things, and in a prudent and well-proportioned zeal about things of importance, can proceed from nothing but true knowledge, which has its foundation in self-acquaintance."
Plato
QUOTE
Can you synopsize your previous post?
I will.
It goes something along the lines of:
"Whine, whine, whine. Bitch bitch. Whine, whine.
Sorry, what is ENERGISER BUNNY? is a drink or something to eat?
QUOTE
Merovingian: Something to eat? Drink? Of course these things are contrivances, like so much here, for the sake of appearances.
No thank you. It's a parable.
(Edit)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contrivances
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appearances
And some people act like they are concerned, but when it comes down to a line being drawn, they rather draw the line that would keep them in the circle than risk draw the line that would keep them out. I would question that person's sense of self worth. Do I want to fit in so badly, that I will allow myself to warm up to those who mock me every chance they think they have?
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magpies Posted on Yesterday at 10:16 PM
Yeah this is worse then my primes thing...
Yeah this is worse then my primes thing...
The above mentioned is an example, but it is not who I intended it for. The person it is intended for is more than capable of figuring out who they are without my mentioning their name.
Meem,
The Matrix, putting asides its merits as a film, is not a philosophical film. The "Merovingian" is an example of a fatalistic, hedonistic, arrogant character. I wouldn't take philosophical advice from anyone claiming to be all-knowing.
So, why would you quote him?
(edit)
Also, quoting anything from a film by Michael Bay is pretty sad, especially when said quote is a rip-off of a long history of rip-offs.
The Matrix, putting asides its merits as a film, is not a philosophical film. The "Merovingian" is an example of a fatalistic, hedonistic, arrogant character. I wouldn't take philosophical advice from anyone claiming to be all-knowing.
So, why would you quote him?
(edit)
Also, quoting anything from a film by Michael Bay is pretty sad, especially when said quote is a rip-off of a long history of rip-offs.
I am not trying to say you're wrong, but there is a lot of philosophy in The Matrix, as was intended, philosophy people will tell you there was too much action numbing out the philosophy.
Because, he is most certain that he is smarter than everyone else around him, and that others are beneath him, and what he knows. Think about his actual role in the film, what did he do? He was the "king -pirate." And he enjoys enforcing his "code," think about the pie/cake he sends to the woman. His role is actually meant to reflect the "devil." Smith, more or less is an antichrist. The club, is referred to as "going through hell." It's a good movie. The Merovingian refers to Neo as the "savior," people call him "the one."
So, would you eat or drink something if the Merovingian offered it to you? My professor, Lewis Pearson, actually used some of it to teach some concepts for some of those people who can't seem to get reading it, out of a book.
http://www.baylor.edu/philosophy/index.php?id=2233
he's working on his phd, in philosophy. Are you? I suppose baylor isn't worthy enough for you though. So I suppose he is unqaulified.
Posted on Today at 10:44 PM
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me.
Because, he is most certain that he is smarter than everyone else around him, and that others are beneath him, and what he knows. Think about his actual role in the film, what did he do? He was the "king -pirate." And he enjoys enforcing his "code," think about the pie/cake he sends to the woman. His role is actually meant to reflect the "devil." Smith, more or less is an antichrist. The club, is referred to as "going through hell." It's a good movie. The Merovingian refers to Neo as the "savior," people call him "the one."
So, would you eat or drink something if the Merovingian offered it to you? My professor, Lewis Pearson, actually used some of it to teach some concepts for some of those people who can't seem to get reading it, out of a book.
http://www.baylor.edu/philosophy/index.php?id=2233
he's working on his phd, in philosophy. Are you? I suppose baylor isn't worthy enough for you though. So I suppose he is unqaulified.
Posted on Today at 10:44 PM
QUOTE
Also, quoting anything from a film by Michael Bay is pretty sad, especially when said quote is a rip-off of a long history of rip-offs.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me.
Yes, the Matrix indeed contains some psychology, but most of it seems to be limited to the experience and opinions of the Wachowski Brothers.
The Merovingian thinks he is all-knowing because his understanding of "why" gives him 20/20 hindsight. Unfortunately, this does not translate into foresight, which leaves him with a self-serving god complex.
Also, I could have done without the overpowering NEO IS JESUS symbolism.
And no, I wouldn't eat or drink anything, it would probably be poisoned.
The Merovingian thinks he is all-knowing because his understanding of "why" gives him 20/20 hindsight. Unfortunately, this does not translate into foresight, which leaves him with a self-serving god complex.
Also, I could have done without the overpowering NEO IS JESUS symbolism.
And no, I wouldn't eat or drink anything, it would probably be poisoned.
I still say the matrix was a movie about time travel. As for the Mero he represented the ability to think and neo represented the ability to not think. If you watch the movie again you'll notice how he never really has any thoughts of his own...
Oh and why not eat something from the mero its not like I did anything to piss him off
Oh and why not eat something from the mero its not like I did anything to piss him off
QUOTE (magpies+Jul 3 2009, 10:53 PM)
I still say the matrix was a movie about time travel. As for the Mero he represented the ability to think and neo represented the ability to not think. If you watch the movie again you'll notice how he never really has any thoughts of his own...
What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with you?
I think the answer your looking for is I understand what thought is. While this does not seem like a problem to you it in fact is. When you dont understand what thought is you can not have a thought worth having. Most people believe they know what thought is but that is before they dare to face fear itself and gaze into the abyss of reflection that questions your own existance. Tell me how often do you consider the fact that you are not suppost to exist at all? It is a marvel that any being can exist in this world but for that to happen some part of the world must be warped in some way. That is why we are all here. To find out.
QUOTE (magpies+Jul 3 2009, 11:03 PM)
I think the answer your looking for is I understand what thought is. While this does not seem like a problem to you it in fact is. When you dont understand what thought is you can not have a thought worth having. Most people believe they know what thought is but that is before they dare to face fear itself and gaze into the abyss of reflection that questions your own existance. Tell me how often do you consider the fact that you are not suppost to exist at all? It is a marvel that any being can exist in this world but for that to happen some part of the world must be warped in some way. That is why we are all here. To find out.
You might actually have some ideas worth discussing, but you ruin your own credibility with your persistent narcissism. Stop pretending that you are a god, and we can discuss.
You might actually have some ideas worth discussing, but you ruin your own credibility with your persistent narcissism. Stop pretending that you are a god, and we can discuss.
I think you get the point, flying. The devil there, is offering you some cake, don't eat it. Notice who Mags identifies with.
What ideas did you think where worth discussing? I'll try to lay of the fact that I might or might not be god for awhile
Yes... remain in the garden of eden without ever realizing you are naked forever...
Yes... remain in the garden of eden without ever realizing you are naked forever...
QUOTE (magpies+Jul 3 2009, 11:03 PM)
how often do you consider the fact that you are not suppost to exist at all? It is a marvel that any being can exist in this world but for that to happen some part of the world must be warped in some way.
That is probably the oldest, greatest, and most unanswerable question of all. Why does something exist instead of nothing? To answer this question, humans have chosen several paths, religion, science being the most common.
Science gives us verifiable certainty, but we have to wait until an answer is found, which is possibly never.
Religion gives us comfort and personal certainty, but it has no predictive ability.
Even then, religion has no explanation for its biggest theory, god. God has simply 'always existed'
I challenge you to find a solution that does not rely on the preexistence of anything.
That is probably the oldest, greatest, and most unanswerable question of all. Why does something exist instead of nothing? To answer this question, humans have chosen several paths, religion, science being the most common.
Science gives us verifiable certainty, but we have to wait until an answer is found, which is possibly never.
Religion gives us comfort and personal certainty, but it has no predictive ability.
Even then, religion has no explanation for its biggest theory, god. God has simply 'always existed'
I challenge you to find a solution that does not rely on the preexistence of anything.
Its not possible for nothing and only nothing to exist right now however that is not to say it isnt possible in the past of future. My bet would be that in the past something came from nothing like it just poped into existance. Infact I have seen it happen in my mind when I ran a visual thought experiment of my own. Having something exist would instantly give it all possible qualitys that something could ever get. This is how time works retro-activly imo. Same reason I think we can create the past(more time) just by thinking about it.
As to religion and science. I think it is best to be spiritual/religious or more so to search within your self for answers then it is to search the outer world for answers but thats just my opinion. I think tho if you are going to be spiritual you must not let yourself use it to get away with... sloth same with being scientific. Growth comes with pain of some sort and to avoid the pain and try to replace it with confort is to attempt to stop growth.
As to religion and science. I think it is best to be spiritual/religious or more so to search within your self for answers then it is to search the outer world for answers but thats just my opinion. I think tho if you are going to be spiritual you must not let yourself use it to get away with... sloth same with being scientific. Growth comes with pain of some sort and to avoid the pain and try to replace it with confort is to attempt to stop growth.
never mind.
Just because something is not knowable does not mean one should stop attempting to know it.
And this is why I love being referred to as a crank or anything else as referred to magpies ... this is what people seem to be afraid that I am going to try and weave in some far fetched nonsense, when I never have. I am not .. this crazy ... (it's my personal opinion everyone is "crazy" to a certain degree.)
Time, whatever it is exactly, is not limited to human perception of it. "It's always been there", like space, we just measure it. Nothing is only a result, space, of the absence of time, everything else. Since there is something, everything could not have ever been truly absent, because things just don't pop into existence, or it would be happening right now and more than one person would see it. And it's impossible for nothing to occur as a result of something, because matter/energy does not get created nor destroyed, just transformed, or phased. Black-holes do no consume "every-thing." It's not even possible to yet say what happens to "most things" that is does "consume." And we are more than likely a long way off from that knowledge .... but I suppose one can never tell, maybe LHC or the Black Hills experiments will "strike-gold."
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Its not possible for nothing and only nothing to exist right now however that is not to say it isnt possible in the past of future. My bet would be that in the past something came from nothing like it just poped into existance. Infact I have seen it happen in my mind when I ran a visual thought experiment of my own. Having something exist would instantly give it all possible qualitys that something could ever get. This is how time works retro-activly imo. Same reason I think we can create the past(more time) just by thinking about it.
Time, whatever it is exactly, is not limited to human perception of it. "It's always been there", like space, we just measure it. Nothing is only a result, space, of the absence of time, everything else. Since there is something, everything could not have ever been truly absent, because things just don't pop into existence, or it would be happening right now and more than one person would see it. And it's impossible for nothing to occur as a result of something, because matter/energy does not get created nor destroyed, just transformed, or phased. Black-holes do no consume "every-thing." It's not even possible to yet say what happens to "most things" that is does "consume." And we are more than likely a long way off from that knowledge .... but I suppose one can never tell, maybe LHC or the Black Hills experiments will "strike-gold."
Why is it so important to you that time must have always been?
Why couldn't it be that at some point in the past total nothingness existed?
Why couldn't it be that at some point in the past total nothingness existed?
Because something does not arise from nothing, prove it. Think about it really hard and make a golden goose appear in my living room that lays diamond eggs. Because if you think you came from nothing, and that you are something, then as your definition of something states, you can make that happen ... because you are something and have instantaneous control over everything, you're not god.
I am waiting. I'll be sure to let you know when I see it. My guess is though, I will see reality.
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If I were a mod, you would have been banned a long time ago, or have all kinds of warnings. But I am not a mod, and apparently the mod likes you, or find your scientific theories acceptable. This is something I am still trying to understand, since I don't have your instantaneous knowledge, even though I am something.
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magical-pies. (the food of the Merovingian)
And to further illustrate what true nonsense is, imagine your own validation by thought experiment. If you ARE something, how can you imagine nothing? Thought is something, just like visualization.
For everyone else, this is what you call a "secret/special/sacred (whatever) code that you cannot share with anyone else, far from personal experience. Because magpies is trying to prove it's possible to experience, or think of nothing. You can't do it. Yet, I am compared to this, and seen to a "danger" or "threat" or "lack of integrity" to the forum ... I guess what ever says about me is true ..
I am dumbfounded.
I am waiting. I'll be sure to let you know when I see it. My guess is though, I will see reality.
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If I were a mod, you would have been banned a long time ago, or have all kinds of warnings. But I am not a mod, and apparently the mod likes you, or find your scientific theories acceptable. This is something I am still trying to understand, since I don't have your instantaneous knowledge, even though I am something.
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magical-pies. (the food of the Merovingian)
And to further illustrate what true nonsense is, imagine your own validation by thought experiment. If you ARE something, how can you imagine nothing? Thought is something, just like visualization.
For everyone else, this is what you call a "secret/special/sacred (whatever) code that you cannot share with anyone else, far from personal experience. Because magpies is trying to prove it's possible to experience, or think of nothing. You can't do it. Yet, I am compared to this, and seen to a "danger" or "threat" or "lack of integrity" to the forum ... I guess what ever says about me is true ..
I am dumbfounded.
Still havent seen it.
Would you believe me if I said I have made a hair grow from my finger where none was before and to the length of a few cm in under 5 minutes? If you wont believe I can do even this then why would you ever believe I can make a golden goose from thin air?
So then you are nothing, as stated by your own .... outrageous definition, and since you are nothing you can't effect something. You want me to entertain your belief that you're a god ... so I can make it real for you .. for me? Wow, why do people keep people with issue like this around? If you're a god, do it, god doesn't depend on me, why do you? Why am I even talking to you? Why do you exist if you're nothing, because you can't do what you claim you can, independent of what I think.
You know why, because you're not god, and this forum likes to keep "nothings" around to make the people who think that are "something" much like you do, feel like something, because they can be right about something, and they know you will keep coming back for it, they love it, because you can't ever stick to real logic for too long. That's why you have no warnings even though .... you spew forth totally inane-bab-ology. as science or experience (a.ka. scientology). But, they really do hate me, because I am able to make sense and point out something wrong, and would rather have me gone, go figure.
amazing.
I don't think you're funny though, they do. It makes them feel good, like magical cakes and pies. So pretentious, and what a guise.
You know why, because you're not god, and this forum likes to keep "nothings" around to make the people who think that are "something" much like you do, feel like something, because they can be right about something, and they know you will keep coming back for it, they love it, because you can't ever stick to real logic for too long. That's why you have no warnings even though .... you spew forth totally inane-bab-ology. as science or experience (a.ka. scientology). But, they really do hate me, because I am able to make sense and point out something wrong, and would rather have me gone, go figure.
amazing.
I don't think you're funny though, they do. It makes them feel good, like magical cakes and pies. So pretentious, and what a guise.
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