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gendo
Adam will attempt to merge with a daughter of mankind to become one being. The daughter will reject Adam's control and offer her soul to Lilith. Lilith, Adam and the daughter of mankind will merge into one being.

This union shatters the boundary that separates individuals. All living things will merge into a single being. The daughter's soul guides the process as she gathers the souls of mankind into one spot, the Egg of Lilith. This is Instrumentality.

The daughter will give control to her lover, the son of mankind. He is given a choice, to accept the unification of all beings, or to reject it and seek individuality.
skepticgriggsy
Gendo,you are hereby awarded the title of advanced theologian. Yes, you now rank with Alister McGrath, John Haught and Keith Ward. You are there with the best of science fiction writers. smile.gif
Meem
Question, if the world has ended, how could one reply to it?
gendo
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 02:58 AM)
Question, if the world has ended, how could one reply to it?

As the world ends, two beings remain separate from the rest: the son and daughter of mankind. These two are unknown now, but they will become apparent as the end draws near. These two individuals will fight the angels that seek to destroy humanity, but the final enemy of humanity will be humanity itself.
Meem
Adam and Eve, a new beginning from an end? This is weird stuff. What's with all the rejection on Adam's part? A choice to make? I think that thing about men fighting angels is sort of strange but possible I suppose. I'd have to wonder though, how would these two "people" stand a change against "angels." IT also reminds me of something, that men will judge angels? How would that work exactly?
RobDegraves
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These two individuals will fight the angels that seek to destroy humanity


So... what kind of fighting exactly?

Are they going to use guns or swords? Maybe a good ol' mano a mano sort of thing... kickboxing and maybe some Jackie Chan sort of action.

Oh.. since angels have wings, it might be an aerial dog fight. Could be cool.

I would still prefer swords... sort of "Highlander" style. Much more classic.
gendo
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 03:10 AM)
Adam and Eve, a new beginning from an end? This is weird stuff. What's with all the rejection on Adam's part? A choice to make? I think that thing about men fighting angels is sort of strange but possible I suppose. I'd have to wonder though, how would these two "people" stand a change against "angels." IT also reminds me of something, that men will judge angels? How would that work exactly?

Man will use the power of the angels to fight them. Man has created Eve out of Lilith and Adam, who were the first angels.
gendo
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 25 2009, 03:17 AM)
So... what kind of fighting exactly?

Are they going to use guns or swords? Maybe a good ol' mano a mano sort of thing... kickboxing and maybe some Jackie Chan sort of action.

Oh.. since angels have wings, it might be an aerial dog fight. Could be cool.

I would still prefer swords... sort of "Highlander" style. Much more classic.

The angels are living beings, not human, nor like anything else that exists. Each one has a different power, and a different shape. One may resemble a crystal, while another may resemble a horrible sea creature.

Adam and Lilith, the father and mother of humanity, have a vaguely humanoid form, but are much more powerful. Each incarnation of Eve requires a human soul to live, and a child as its pilot.
Meem
The first and the last it seems according to your first post. Because, to me the common understanding is that Adam and Eve were the first, but in your original post you seem to reference them as the last. I thought Lucifer was the first of the angels? I'm getting a little confused now. How can a man be an angel? Adam and Eve, were "man" right? If men are going to use the power of angels to fight them, what could these powers possibly be, judgement? To cause division amongst the "angels?"
gendo
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 03:34 AM)
The first and the last it seems according to your first post. Because, to me the common understanding is that Adam and Eve were the first, but in your original post you seem to reference them as the last. I thought Lucifer was the first of the angels? I'm getting a little confused now. How can a man be an angel? Adam and Eve, were "man" right? If men are going to use the power of angels to fight them, what could these powers possibly be, judgement? To cause division amongst the "angels?"

Adam and Lilith (not Eve) were the first and last. They are not human, but another kind of being entirely. "Angel" is just a term used by humanity to describe their amazingly powerful enemies. As humanity becomes its own worst enemy, humanity becomes an "angel." Erase from your mind the trappings of your Judeo-Christian preconceptions. Adam, Eve and Lilith are but names; illustrations to help you understand their roles.

Most Angels are not small things, but extremely large, sometimes many hundreds of feet tall. Their war cries are terrible things to hear, and can rend steel at close range.

Eve, as constructed and "grown" by man is the only weapon/being capable of destroying an Angel.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 25 2009, 03:46 AM)
Most Angels are not small things, but extremely large, sometimes many hundreds of feet tall. Their war cries are terrible things to hear, and can rend steel at close range.

I can rend steel at long range. I guess that makes me tougher than your bad-*** imaginary "angels" ... doesn't it?

Chuck Norris will be able to smite them all with his hands tied behind his back.
gendo
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jul 25 2009, 03:57 AM)
I can rend steel at long range. I guess that makes me tougher than your bad-*** imaginary "angels" ... doesn't it?

Chuck Norris will be able to smite them all with his hands tied behind his back.

What would Chuck Norris do against mind rape?
Meem
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 24 2009, 10:46 PM)
Adam and Lilith (not Eve) were the first and last. They are not human, but another kind of being entirely. "Angel" is just a term used by humanity to describe their amazingly powerful enemies. As humanity becomes its own worst enemy, humanity becomes an "angel." Erase from your mind the trappings of your Judeo-Christian preconceptions. Adam, Eve and Lilith are but names; illustrations to help you understand their roles.

Most Angels are not small things, but extremely large, sometimes many hundreds of feet tall. Their war cries are terrible things to hear, and can rend steel at close range.

Eve, as constructed and "grown" by man is the only weapon/being capable of destroying an Angel.

See, I am getting confused again, "angel" or "alien" (whatever) is being used as a term to describe enemies? Aren't there "good" "angels?" (is it necessary for me to keep putting all these terms in quotations?) Can you drop your trappings of what you think my Judeo-Christian perceptions are? Perhaps you could better describe Lilth, Eve, and their roles for me?

As for the large angels thing, it kind of reminds me of the "guardian" "dude" in the day the earth stood still.
AlexG
Why are the really weird religious cranks showing up now? Traditionally in journalism, the silly season doesn't start till August.
gendo
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 04:08 AM)
See, I am getting confused again, "angel" or "alien" (whatever) is being used as a term to describe enemies? Aren't there "good" "angels?" (is it necessary for me to keep putting all these terms in quotations?) Can you drop your trappings of what you think my Judeo-Christian perceptions are? Perhaps you could better describe Lilth, Eve, and their roles for me?

As for the large angels thing, it kind of reminds me of the "guardian" "dude" in the day the earth stood still.

Adam and Lilith are archetypes for what came first.
Eve is an archetype for what came from Adam.
An Angel is an archetype for something that appears human at first glance, but is not human, and is much more powerful.

Switch these names out for any names of your choosing; they are merely tools for understanding.
flyingbuttressman
I smell a troll.
AlexG
A stinky one too.
gendo
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 25 2009, 04:16 AM)
I smell a troll.

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A stinky one too.

Does the end of the world scare you? All good things must come to an end.
Meem
Ok that seems interesting, but there remains one missing name that we could switch out any other name for, God? Where does God come into play? I mean if we are using Adam, Eve, Lilth, Angels/Demons/Aliens. Does God have a name and a role in this?

And by saying that these names are archetypes for what came first, we still do not know what came first, just that these names represent "what came first." So, what came first? (god? "the good"?)


(to the hitsquad)
The solar eclipse?
gendo
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 04:26 AM)
Ok that seems interesting, but there remains one missing name that we could switch out any other name for, God? Where does God come into play? I mean if we are using Adam, Eve, Lilth, Angels/Demons/Aliens. Does God have a name and a role in this?

And by saying that these names are archetypes for what came first, we still do not know what came first, just that these names represent "what came first." So, what came first? (god? "the good"?)

God may or may not exist, but if god does exist, it keeps out of the way for the most part. Living things make their own destiny, and must accept the consequences of doing so.

I do believe that the Angels are extraterrestrial in origin, as are humans. See: panspermia
Meem
It seems nobody "knows" what came first tongue.gif The chicken or the egg?
flyingbuttressman
Oh god, I should have seen it.

Gendo = Gendo Ikari

Neon Genesis Evangelion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj9OGHhxUB8 Start at the :50 mark.

It's actually a pretty good show, I've just never seen anyone take it literally.
AlexG
An anime? (My favorite is Cowboy BeBop)

Does this set a new benchmark for crazy on this forum?
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 24 2009, 11:56 PM)
An anime? (My favorite is Cowboy BeBop)

Does this set a new benchmark for crazy on this forum?

lol, probably.

The show is actually really good, I can't believe that I didn't recognize it from the start. It's an extremely dark portrayal of the end of the world. It borrows some elements from Childhood's End by Clarke. If you ever get a chance, you should watch it.

"gendo" could just be troll, in the prankster sense. It wouldn't be anything new, as many people take Cthulhu "seriously".
gendo
Full Disclosure: NGE was an inspiration nothing more.

Meem agrees with me, don't you Meem?
Meem
Anything is possible. I wouldn't say "agree" as much as I would say non-argumentative. I don't like playing "god." If that makes any sense.


As far as "crazy" goes, Seal puts it best imho.

QUOTE

In a church,by the face,
He talks about the people going under.

Only child know...

A man decides after seventy years,
That what he goes there for, is to unlock the door.
While those around him criticize and sleep...
And through a fractal on a breaking wall,
I see you my friend, and touch your face again.
Miracles will happen as we trip.

But we're never gonna survive, unless...
We get a little crazy
No we're never gonna survive, unless...
We are a little...

Cray...cray...cray...

...Crazy yellow people walking through my head.
One of them's got a gun, to shoot the other one.
And yet together they were friends at school
Ohh, get it, get it, get it, get it no no!

If all were there when we first took the pill,
Then maybe, then maybe, then maybe, then maybe...
Miracles will happen as we speak.

But we're never gonna survive unless...
We get a little crazy.
No we're never gonna survive unless...
We are a little...
Crazy...
No no, never survive, unless we get a little... bit...

Oh, a little bit...
Oh, a little bit...

Oh...
Oh...

Amanda decides to go along after seventeen years...

Oh darlin...
In a sky full of people, only some want to fly,
Isn't that crazy?
In a world full of people, only some want to fly,
Isn't that crazy?
Crazy...
In a heaven of people there's only some want to fly,
Ain't that crazy?
Oh babe... Oh darlin...
In a world full of people there's only some want to fly,
Isn't that crazy?
Isn't that crazy... Isn't that crazy... Isn't that crazy...

Ohh...
But we're never gonna survive unless, we get a little crazy.. crazy..
No we're never gonna to survive unless we are a little... crazy..
But we're never gonna survive unless, we get a little crazy.. crazy..
No we're never gonna to survive unless, we are a little.. crazy..
No no, never survive unless, we get a little bit...

And then you see things
The size
Of which you've never known before

They'll break it

Someday...

Only child know....

Them things
The size
Of which you've never known before

Someday...
Someway...
Someday...
Someway...
Someday...
Someway...
Someday...


Sorry, seems fitting though.
RobDegraves
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as many people take Cthulhu "seriously".


You should... it's serious stuff.

"Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
Meem
Seriously creepy. Soul eating?
uaafanblog
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 25 2009, 04:04 AM)
What would Chuck Norris do against mind rape?

Chuck would use his superior force of will to reflect the mind rape waves back to the originator.

Your silly angels would then be fooking themselves!
Meem
I looked up the term panspermia by the way, reminds me of pantheism. I didn't read too much of it. What I did notice is "seeds" of life every where. Cosmic ... "eggs or seeds," still leaves the question of the cosmic ..."chicken or farmer?"

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I just want to see if understand more of what you have already said any better than I think I do.

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He is given a choice, to accept the unification of all beings, or to reject it and seek individuality

QUOTE (->
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He is given a choice, to accept the unification of all beings, or to reject it and seek individuality

Living things make their own destiny, and must accept the consequences of doing so


Those two statements mostly, and the third which I touched on above. I have to say, I get a slightly more "fantastic" impression of Scientology undertones in what you're saying. Wrong? But as far of the two quotes above, what are the consequences of his choice? I think to answer that, you'd have to "play god."

Would you agree?
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I do believe that the Angels are extraterrestrial in origin, as are humans. See: panspermia


If they both are "extraterrestrial," what is "the terrestrial" they are "extra" from?
rpenner
Evangelion is not so much based in Christian and Jewish mysticism, but flavored by it. The authors admit that they we trying to make something profound-sounding and not actually trying for a rationalization of mythologies.

But it's a hoot.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 12:58 AM)
Anything is possible. I wouldn't say "agree" as much as I would say non-argumentative. I don't like playing "god." If that makes any sense.

Anything is possible? Geez. I believe in the benefits of having an open mind, but don't you have some kind of BS filter? If you walk around with an open mind, what's preventing bird crap from falling into it?
gendo
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 25 2009, 06:49 AM)
I looked up the term panspermia by the way, reminds me of pantheism. I didn't read too much of it. What I did notice is "seeds" of life every where. Cosmic ... "eggs or seeds," still leaves the question of the cosmic ..."chicken or farmer?"

Panspermia, or Exogenesis means that life was imported to this planet from an extraterrestrial origin. This means that life only had to evolve once, and that life then seeded the rest of the universe/galaxy. In the idea that I have put forth, life is cyclical, beginning and ending with similar sets of events. "All of this has happened before, all of it will happen again."

To answer your question, there was only 1 original chicken, but lots of eggs.

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Those two statements mostly, and the third which I touched on above.  I have to say, I get a slightly more "fantastic" impression of Scientology undertones in what you're saying. Wrong?  But as far of the two quotes above, what are the consequences of his choice?  I think to answer that, you'd have to "play god."

This is not $cientology. If you make a choice, you must be prepared for the consequences. You can go against destiny. In this case, if the son of mankind chooses individuality, he may end up alone, or he may be joined by others who rejected it. Destiny cannot be changed, but you can choose your role within it.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Those two statements mostly, and the third which I touched on above.  I have to say, I get a slightly more "fantastic" impression of Scientology undertones in what you're saying. Wrong?  But as far of the two quotes above, what are the consequences of his choice?  I think to answer that, you'd have to "play god."

This is not $cientology. If you make a choice, you must be prepared for the consequences. You can go against destiny. In this case, if the son of mankind chooses individuality, he may end up alone, or he may be joined by others who rejected it. Destiny cannot be changed, but you can choose your role within it.

If they both are "extraterrestrial," what is "the terrestrial" they are "extra" from?

You're telling me that you don't know what extraterrestrial means? Terra = Earth, Extra = outside of. Outside of Earth. That was a pretty dumb question.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 25 2009, 09:12 AM)
You're telling me that you don't know what extraterrestrial means? Terra = Earth, Extra = outside of. Outside of Earth. That was a pretty dumb question.

Wow Meem, even the cranks think you're stupid.
gendo
Well, what does everyone think about this? It could be a new religion; it already has followers, holy texts, holy symbols, rituals, etc.

We will be called the Neon Genesis Evangelists.
lzurha
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 25 2009, 03:22 AM)
Man will use the power of the angels to fight them. Man has created Eve out of Lilith and Adam, who were the first angels.

adam an eve wernt the first angels they wernt even angel becouse lucifer taled eve into eating the apple lucifer was the first angel adem an eve were made in the image of god therefor lucifer was angery an was rogue angel god created meny angels befor adam an eve the first humans
gendo
QUOTE (lzurha+Jul 28 2009, 09:03 PM)
adam an eve wernt the first angels they wernt even angel becouse lucifer taled eve into eating the apple lucifer was the first angel adem an eve were made in the image of god therefor lucifer was angery an was rogue angel god created meny angels befor adam an eve the first humans

You are truly an idiot, I hope you realize that. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE YOU FREAKING *****.
lzurha
and as for the end of the world i figure we ether have world war 3 an nuke everything or we mess up an creat a blackhole with the partical excelerator that they built wich is possible just unlickly mathmadicly but who wants to roll them dice 399 times.........
AlexG
We've got a new covey of wackos here.
gendo
QUOTE (lzurha+Jul 28 2009, 09:07 PM)
and as for the end of the world i figure we ether have world war 3 an nuke everything or we mess up an creat a blackhole with the partical excelerator that they built wich is possible just unlickly mathmadicly but who wants to roll them dice 399 times.........

NO. YOU ARE INCREDIBLY STUPID.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 28 2009, 04:09 PM)
NO. YOU ARE INCREDIBLY STUPID.

gendo has a point, this person is incredibly stupid.
lzurha
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 28 2009, 09:04 PM)
You are truly an idiot, I hope you realize that. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE YOU FREAKING *****.

my bad dude i missed it mybe? i forgot u were talking about some other adam an eve an the first wife of adam my bad dude no need to call me an idiot

lzurha
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 28 2009, 09:10 PM)
gendo has a point, this person is incredibly stupid.

my i ask y u bash me for posting what i think could happen ?

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flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (lzurha+Jul 28 2009, 04:17 PM)
my i ask y u bash me for posting what i think could happen ?

You just spammed the forum with a dozen comments, all with the worst spelling and grammar I have ever seen. I'm no grammar nazi, but you crossed a line.
gendo
QUOTE (lzurha+Jul 28 2009, 09:13 PM)
my bad dude i missed it mybe? i forgot u were talking about some other adam an eve an the first wife of adam my bad dude no need to call me an idiot

Your spelling gave me a headache.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (gendo+Jul 28 2009, 08:39 AM)
Well, what does everyone think about this? It could be a new religion; it already has followers, holy texts, holy symbols, rituals, etc.

We will be called the Neon Genesis Evangelists.

Would this be a religion like Pastafarianism or more like Scientology?
gendo
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 29 2009, 03:05 PM)
Would this be a religion like Pastafarianism or more like Scientology?

Pastatology?
gendo
Anybody have any more questions about this version of the Apocalypse?
Physfan
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gendo has a point, this person is incredibly stupid.
Takes one to know one.

Physfan
soundhertz
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partical excelerator


I think i like it! Good name for something...
Matador
Yeah, but what? biggrin.gif
Physfan
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Adam will attempt to merge with a daughter of mankind to become one being. The daughter will reject Adam's control and offer her soul to Lilith. Lilith, Adam and the daughter of mankind will merge into one being.

This union shatters the boundary that separates individuals. All living things will merge into a single being. The daughter's soul guides the process as she gathers the souls of mankind into one spot, the Egg of Lilith. This is Instrumentality.

The daughter will give control to her lover, the son of mankind. He is given a choice, to accept the unification of all beings, or to reject it and seek individuality.

This is seriously weird sh1t.

Physfan
light in the tunnel
QUOTE (Physfan+Sep 15 2009, 10:22 AM)
This is seriously weird sh1t.

Physfan

I kind of follow it, and it is interesting language. The thing I'm trying to figure out is what merging of beings and lost individuality and unification means? They sound meaningful but I can't boil anything concrete out of them.
gendo
QUOTE (light in the tunnel+Sep 15 2009, 11:14 PM)
I kind of follow it, and it is interesting language. The thing I'm trying to figure out is what merging of beings and lost individuality and unification means? They sound meaningful but I can't boil anything concrete out of them.

It's called Human Instrumentality. If the AT field of every human on Earth is inverted, human individuality will cease and all will become one being.

AT field = Anti Terror field
It's the field that keeps our minds separated from the minds of others.
Alaxir Zoa
You want to know what the Apocalypse is going to be like? Look in the Bible in Apocalypse. And though it may be hard, try to understand.
gendo
QUOTE (Alaxir Zoa+Oct 1 2009, 12:17 AM)
You want to know what the Apocalypse is going to be like? Look in the Bible in Apocalypse. And though it may be hard, try to understand.

I think it should be fairly obvious by now that I'm NOT talking about the Christian vision of the Apocalypse.
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