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Frank Martin DiMeglio
I have definitively proven (in detail and with specifics) that television is an extension of dream vision and an hallucination. I have shown that TV is a generalized creation of thought that replaces (and removes) natural and ordinary vision. TV is an unnatural extension of dream vision AS waking vision, and it is an hallucination.

The article is entitled: Television is an Hallucination
(You can just Google the article title.)

Obviously, this article needs to be circulated.

Below is this recently published article. Frank Martin DiMeglio (author)

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AlexG
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Frank Martin DiMeglio
I have definitively proven (in detail and with specifics) that television is an extension of dream vision and an hallucination. I have shown that TV is a generalized creation of thought that replaces (and removes) natural and ordinary vision. TV is an unnatural extension of dream vision AS waking vision, and that is an hallucination.

I have made the case clearly and convincingly.
http://radicalacademy.com/studentrefphilfmd11.htm

Apparently, is seems pretty hard to counter ANY of the arguments in the article. Comments and questions are welcome. Please make sure that you read the article before you comment.
AlexG
This nonsense starts off by assuming the point it wishes to prove, and then 'proves' it by assuming it to be correct.

A truely dizzying example of circular crackpot 'logic'.

NoCleverName
QUOTE (Frank Martin DiMeglio+Apr 8 2009, 10:45 PM)
I have made the case clearly and convincingly.

Apparently, is seems pretty hard to counter ANY of the arguments in the article. Comments and questions are welcome. Please make sure that you read the article before you comment.

Anyone who would call this "logical" or "convincing" would not likely be a functioning member of society. Yet you seem to be an educated and published author, so you aren't just the average armchair idiot.

Therefore, I can conclude that you yourself don't actually believe any of what you've written. So that makes you a scammer.
Confused2
Possibly relevant:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtB3EZ8GbT8
Frank Martin DiMeglio
Will children eat more when they eat and watch TV at the same time? The answer is yes, and it is because TV is an extended form of the dream.
TV therefore reduces thought, memory, and feeling (as in the dream).
This reduction in bodily feeling/bodily sensation --- as in the dream --- is the reason for overeating while watching television.
Television is a creation of thought, and it is a form of dream vision that replaces waking and natural vision. That is an hallucination.
Many of you are too stupid and too far gone already to get it.
gmilam
Dude, I unplugged the TV about 3 months ago and have not turned it back on since, and I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

But if it bothers you - use the off switch.
uaafanblog
Nachos are an ultra-delicious snack that are flexible to almost any set of taste-buds. None can deny that the warm soft melted cheese offers a wonderful counter to the salty crisp tortilla chips. With that as a basis, simply add your favorite toppings (for example):

Salsa
Beans
Ground Beef

Nachos cannot be denied to be truly one of the greatest achievements of mankind's culinary culture.

All hail Nachos!
garumwerewolf
I think it's true. TV is a hallucination. It can replace feelings. You feel emotions when you are watching it... blink.gif
Frank Martin DiMeglio
QUOTE (garumwerewolf+Apr 23 2009, 07:36 AM)
I think it's true. TV is a hallucination. It can replace feelings. You feel emotions when you are watching it... blink.gif

Wow, someone on here can think. Thank you for your reply. Thoughts and emotions are differentiated feelings. TV causes emotional detachment, disintegration, contraction, and loss. Emotion is manifest as sensory experience and feeling. It is important to understand that emotion that is comprehensive and balanced advances consciousness.
Frank Martin DiMeglio
This is a very serious and important discussion folks.
Television is an Hallucination
http://radicalacademy.com/studentrefphilfmd11.htm
Television should be illegal. I have made the case clearly and convincingly.
Also, the article contains the best description (by far) of what television is.
H2O
Let's see. This thread reminds me of the earthquake one.

I'm not going to bother to look up and/or go into explaining how a CRT/LCD/Plasma works by displaying multiple images in rapid succession. I am not going to bother looking up and/or get into explaining how your eye responds to light (while awake and not hallucinating) and communicates with the brain. I am also not going to bother with explaining how dreams, hallucinations and consciousness may share a few areas in the brain but for the most part involve different areas.

I will only explain one thing. Boiling water and hot oil will both burn you pretty bad. Both are scalding as both are heat burns. By your logic because they cause the same thing to happen, boiling water and hot oil must be the same thing. In short, water and oil are the same thing.

I will end by saying that you can not say one is the same as the other simply because they both have the same effect.
Frank Martin DiMeglio
QUOTE (H2O+Apr 23 2009, 09:44 PM)
Let's see. This thread reminds me of the earthquake one.

I'm not going to bother to look up and/or go into explaining how a CRT/LCD/Plasma works by displaying multiple images in rapid succession. I am not going to bother looking up and/or get into explaining how your eye responds to light (while awake and not hallucinating) and communicates with the brain. I am also not going to bother with explaining how dreams, hallucinations and consciousness may share a few areas in the brain but for the most part involve different areas.

I will only explain one thing. Boiling water and hot oil will both burn you pretty bad. Both are scalding as both are heat burns. By your logic because they cause the same thing to happen, boiling water and hot oil must be the same thing. In short, water and oil are the same thing.

I will end by saying that you can not say one is the same as the other simply because they both have the same effect.

Does anyone (including yourself) know what you are talking about? What a joke! You are sooo smart. You cannot even begin to discuss the integrated and interactive nature of being and experience at the level I am at. Communicate specifically and meaningfully (if you can), so I can put an end to your stupidity, at least for the benefit of some of the others on here.
Grumpy
Frank Martin DiMeglio, aka garumwerewolf

Talking to yourself is one thing, answering back is insanity, mor@n.
RobDegraves
I have read the post you link to and I have found it to be remarkably empty of content. Specifically you make a number of unfounded statements and shift your conclusion at the end to a completely unrelated point.

Your entire post is based on comparing television to dreams. Then at the end you call it an hallucination and claim that it causes all sorts of mental ills. This is not even supported by your own post.

Dreams are not the same as hallucination both in their origin and in their effects. Not only are dreams good for you, they are likely necessary for the proper functioning of your brain. Therefore, if TV is like a dream, it is good for you.

Hallucinations on the other hand are a symptom of mental illness, not a cause. Therefore TV cannot be the cause of mental problems if it is like an hallucination.

Either way you look at it, your conclusion is artificial and unsupported. I hope no one bought your book if it's written with the same lack of professionalism.
H2O
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Apr 29 2009, 08:52 PM)
I have read the post you link to and I have found it to be remarkably empty of content. Specifically you make a number of unfounded statements and shift your conclusion at the end to a completely unrelated point....

...Either way you look at it, your conclusion is artificial and unsupported. I hope no one bought your book if it's written with the same lack of professionalism.

Impressive post. Nicely put.
mielkman
Using your own definitions, yah, Television is a hallucination, and you make a LOT of comparisons between televisions and dreams.

On the other hand, where does the computer lie in this? Furthermore, what about music? Often radio broadcasts will lead to completely omitted vision, replacing it with sound, because this is where your interest and energy has been committed. Furthermore, then, when you read a book which contains colorful characters and well built settings, you will lose how many pages, how much time has passed, you lose even the words on the page, and replace it with a more truly dreamlike state than television is capable of inducing.

What I find interesting is that your assumption is that all of this is a bad thing. As art, actually, yes, any one person can create television. I work part-time as a media director of my father-in-law's business. I use television all the time to produce promotional material and advertisements. There are hundreds of considerations as to design, layout, timing, sound, color, and they are actually continuously judged by me, while I watch them again and again. Every aspect is repeatedly fine tuned.

By the end of your average 30 second spot, I have likely viewed the entire thing over 300 times, making judgments, and alterations to it all along the way. What you are saying is that by the 300th time I watch my 30 second spot, I should be agitated and have lost my ability to make judgments. This is, however not the case, when I compare my 30 second spot to the original 30 second spot concept I was presented with from my father-in-law, as it has been improved upon.

While, people often ALLOW themselves to enter a trance-like state while watching television, this happens all the time through regular tasks.

Have you ever fired a rifle? Now have you ever hunted? there is a difference between shooting at targets and hunting. When I hunt, every animal I have ever actually it, I never heard the gun fire, never felt the gun kick, I have no memory of reloading my weapon. Yet, every time, my chamber has been cycled, there is a fresh round in, and my safety is now on. The animal has not moved for over a minute, and I suddenly become aware that my shoulder is warm from the kick of the rifle, and my ears are ringing. Looking through a rifle scope you have a flattened image, further than you find in either dreams or television, but if you DON'T experience this, you aren't really shooting all that well.

In short. You make false assumptions that trance-like states or hallucinations are harmful, when they are, in fact, a regular part of the human experience, and are actually necessary for certain tasks. The only thing harmful about TV is when you choose to allow entry of ideas without making any judgments whatsoever, which is a mark of a lazy person, and good luck trying to make being lazy and lacking judgment illegal. I'm fully behind you on that one.
buttershug
As Willy said;

QUOTE
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
Frank Martin DiMeglio
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Apr 29 2009, 08:52 PM)
I have read the post you link to and I have found it to be remarkably empty of content. Specifically you make a number of unfounded statements and shift your conclusion at the end to a completely unrelated point.

Your entire post is based on comparing television to dreams. Then at the end you call it an hallucination and claim that it causes all sorts of mental ills. This is not even supported by your own post.

Dreams are not the same as hallucination both in their origin and in their effects. Not only are dreams good for you, they are likely necessary for the proper functioning of your brain. Therefore, if TV is like a dream, it is good for you.

Hallucinations on the other hand are a symptom of mental illness, not a cause. Therefore TV cannot be the cause of mental problems if it is like an hallucination.

Either way you look at it, your conclusion is artificial and unsupported. I hope no one bought your book if it's written with the same lack of professionalism.

You cannot think. How much TV do you watch? What is your excuse?
RobDegraves
Nice rational reply there. rolleyes.gif

I could just have said to you "You cannot think". Is that a valid argument then?

Seriously... telling people that they can't think because they don't agree with you is the same type of argument that a religious fanatic would use to justify whatever BS they believe. It's not an argument, it's just empty posturing.
Frank Martin DiMeglio
QUOTE (mielkman+Apr 30 2009, 08:13 AM)
Using your own definitions, yah, Television is a hallucination, and you make a LOT of comparisons between televisions and dreams.

On the other hand, where does the computer lie in this? Furthermore, what about music? Often radio broadcasts will lead to completely omitted vision, replacing it with sound, because this is where your interest and energy has been committed. Furthermore, then, when you read a book which contains colorful characters and well built settings, you will lose how many pages, how much time has passed, you lose even the words on the page, and replace it with a more truly dreamlike state than television is capable of inducing.

What I find interesting is that your assumption is that all of this is a bad thing. As art, actually, yes, any one person can create television. I work part-time as a media director of my father-in-law's business. I use television all the time to produce promotional material and advertisements. There are hundreds of considerations as to design, layout, timing, sound, color, and they are actually continuously judged by me, while I watch them again and again. Every aspect is repeatedly fine tuned.

By the end of your average 30 second spot, I have likely viewed the entire thing over 300 times, making judgments, and alterations to it all along the way. What you are saying is that by the 300th time I watch my 30 second spot, I should be agitated and have lost my ability to make judgments. This is, however not the case, when I compare my 30 second spot to the original 30 second spot concept I was presented with from my father-in-law, as it has been improved upon.

While, people often ALLOW themselves to enter a trance-like state while watching television, this happens all the time through regular tasks.

Have you ever fired a rifle? Now have you ever hunted? there is a difference between shooting at targets and hunting. When I hunt, every animal I have ever actually it, I never heard the gun fire, never felt the gun kick, I have no memory of reloading my weapon. Yet, every time, my chamber has been cycled, there is a fresh round in, and my safety is now on. The animal has not moved for over a minute, and I suddenly become aware that my shoulder is warm from the kick of the rifle, and my ears are ringing. Looking through a rifle scope you have a flattened image, further than you find in either dreams or television, but if you DON'T experience this, you aren't really shooting all that well.

In short. You make false assumptions that trance-like states or hallucinations are harmful, when they are, in fact, a regular part of the human experience, and are actually necessary for certain tasks. The only thing harmful about TV is when you choose to allow entry of ideas without making any judgments whatsoever, which is a mark of a lazy person, and good luck trying to make being lazy and lacking judgment illegal. I'm fully behind you on that one.

You complicate and distort matters. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then it is a duck. Keep it simple, but face the facts:

1) TV is an hallucination, and it is an extended form of dream vision. I have proven this in detail and with specifics.
2) An extended form of dream vision AS waking vision is an hallucination.
3) TV replaces and removes natural waking vision with something that is not possible for any ONE PERSON to ever ordinarily experience or create. (Autism is known to involve sensory processing disorders.) -- Fool, TV is good for us?
TV is a creation of generalized thought.
TV is even more like thought than what is seen in the dream.
Each person's visual experience is unique and different.
......AND everything else that I said in the article. I showed a linked progression from dream vision to TV using a variety of consistent and specific facts/linkages.

Dr. Joyce Starr agrees with me that the reduction of bodily feeling/bodily sensation that is REDUCING the feeling of fullness (and causing overeating) while watching TV is attributable to dream-like effects (of reduced bodily feeling, as in the dream).

Do any of you care about the children at least? Learn to think!
Serious replies only on here.
RobDegraves
QUOTE
1) TV is an hallucination, and it is an extended form of dream vision. I have proven this in detail and with specifics.


You have not... see my point above.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
1) TV is an hallucination, and it is an extended form of dream vision. I have proven this in detail and with specifics.


You have not... see my point above.

2) An extended form of dream vision AS waking vision is an hallucination


An hallucination is not the same as vision. You mistake symptoms for causes.

QUOTE
3) TV replaces and removes natural waking vision with something that is not possible for any ONE PERSON to ever ordinarily experience or create.


Television presents us with images. You present no evidence that this is a different phenomenon than sight.

Your article would not be acceptable even at the lowest level of philosophical reading.
mielkman
QUOTE (Frank Martin DiMeglio+Mar 29 2009, 08:39 PM)
television is an extension of dream vision and an hallucination. I have shown that TV is a generalized creation of thought that replaces (and removes) natural and ordinary vision. TV is an unnatural extension of dream vision AS waking vision, and it is an hallucination.

Given:
Television = Dream vision/Hallucination
Television = Computer Monitor
What exists in a Hallucination is unreal
Your Post displays on my computer monitor

Then

Your Post = On my monitor = On TV = Hallucination = Unreal

Therefore, your method of delivery invalidates your theory, and since it's part of my hallucination, to believe it would be, according to you, a sign of mental illness.


So either you are mentally ill because you believe a hallucination which you have produced, which then invalidates your work, because we do not consider the ramblings of a hallucinatory person to be good observations for science, because a hallucination is not a part of the real world,

Else: You are incorrect, this is not an Hallucination, what you post can be considered a part of the real world, but... it's a useless part, because it does not pertain to the real world.

I'm voting for option one on this one.


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