WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO WESDEN AND FELLAS POSTED I STILL THINK IT IS GROWN OUT OF PROPORTION FOR NO GOOD , OFCOURSE THE QUESTION DOES NOT STAND, IF IT DOES THEN QM DONT. IT IS SIMPLE RESULT FOLLOWING FROM THE CONCEPT THAT ANY MEASUREMENT[ DIRECT OR INDIRECT] CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE EXPERIMENT.
WE DID HAVE SOME IMPORTANT POSTS FOLLOWING THIS BUT TO CARRY IN TOPICS LIKE ENTANGLEMENT AND SO IN THIS REGARD IS MISLEADING,OR IN SOME SENSE TOPICS OF INDEPENDENT POSING ON THOSE WOULD BE MORE USEFUL IF POSTED FOLLOWING THE REAL CONCEPT. YOU GUYS BUILD A MOUNTAIN OUT OF MOLEHILL.BUT YOU ALL ARE BETTER THAN THAT.
The two slit experiment goes to show how gullible people are. Photons are waves. How big is a wave? Any size. When experimenters say they have isolated one photon, meaning one wave, they are pointing out their lack of knowledge. One wave can become ten or more smaller waves so can easily go through all entrances at the same time in a two slit experiment.
QUOTE (kaneda+Apr 2 2007, 08:09 PM)
Photons are waves. How big is a wave? Any size
By AWT the photons are wave packets of light, the size of which is indirectly proportional the light frequency, because they're result of the interference of light waves with the density fluctuations of Aether, forming the vacuum. These fluctuations are of Planck length average size, so that the photons of gamma ray radiations can be a pretty tiny, in fact - as you can see on the path of gamma ray photons inside of spark chamber. The photons are moving here like projectiles.
By AWT the photons are wave packets of light, the size of which is indirectly proportional the light frequency, because they're result of the interference of light waves with the density fluctuations of Aether, forming the vacuum. These fluctuations are of Planck length average size, so that the photons of gamma ray radiations can be a pretty tiny, in fact - as you can see on the path of gamma ray photons inside of spark chamber. The photons are moving here like projectiles.
QUOTE (kaneda+Apr 2 2007, 05:09 PM)
The two slit experiment goes to show how gullible people are. Photons are waves. How big is a wave? Any size.
HOW BIG CAN A WAVE BE?
HOW DOES IT COME INTO EXISTENCE?
ALL AT ONCE OR OVER TIME?
DOES IT START SMALL AND REACH ITS SIZE?
THESE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT LIGHT.
IS IT LOCAL?
IF SO HOW CAN IT FORM ALL AT ONCE?
IT CANNOT. IT MUST GROW AND SHRINK.
MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT GREW --
HOW BIG CAN A WAVE BE?
HOW DOES IT COME INTO EXISTENCE?
ALL AT ONCE OR OVER TIME?
DOES IT START SMALL AND REACH ITS SIZE?
THESE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT LIGHT.
IS IT LOCAL?
IF SO HOW CAN IT FORM ALL AT ONCE?
IT CANNOT. IT MUST GROW AND SHRINK.
MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT GREW --
Hi Nick, anchda, kaneda and zephir et al,
Richard Feynman’s description of Young's Double Slit Interference Experiment as “a phenomenon which . . contains the only mystery.” The reason why so much attention is focussed on this one experiment is this is where it all hangs together. There is no mystery truly like this one and anyone who says this is just a simple concept just does not "get" quantum mechanics or what is truly happening here.
Photons as waves spread. This is the "unobserved" nature of the photon's quantum. To attempt to observe it "collapses" the state. The picture that zephir shows there is a high energy "observed" photon. This does not exhibit quantum phenomena but behaves simply as a projectile as shown. In that state it cannot partake in the simple diffraction experiment shown in detail elsewhere. The other point is the incredibly short wavelength of Gamma-Ray Photons. Photons have two separate natures... the wave and the particle... and they cannot be observed "together".
A wave can pass through two or more slits at the same time but when it is "detected" it will only be found in a single position... just like in that spark chamber photograph, a series of tiny sparks that show where the particle aspect of the photon is going. To attempt to catch the photon out at passing through one or other slit or pinhole destroys the quantum interference effect. It is equivalent to forcing the photon through one slit and not the other. This will simply produce the effect of the photon only passing through one slit, so there can be no self interference.
That is the interest and that is why it is important.
Cheers
Richard Feynman’s description of Young's Double Slit Interference Experiment as “a phenomenon which . . contains the only mystery.” The reason why so much attention is focussed on this one experiment is this is where it all hangs together. There is no mystery truly like this one and anyone who says this is just a simple concept just does not "get" quantum mechanics or what is truly happening here.
Photons as waves spread. This is the "unobserved" nature of the photon's quantum. To attempt to observe it "collapses" the state. The picture that zephir shows there is a high energy "observed" photon. This does not exhibit quantum phenomena but behaves simply as a projectile as shown. In that state it cannot partake in the simple diffraction experiment shown in detail elsewhere. The other point is the incredibly short wavelength of Gamma-Ray Photons. Photons have two separate natures... the wave and the particle... and they cannot be observed "together".
A wave can pass through two or more slits at the same time but when it is "detected" it will only be found in a single position... just like in that spark chamber photograph, a series of tiny sparks that show where the particle aspect of the photon is going. To attempt to catch the photon out at passing through one or other slit or pinhole destroys the quantum interference effect. It is equivalent to forcing the photon through one slit and not the other. This will simply produce the effect of the photon only passing through one slit, so there can be no self interference.
That is the interest and that is why it is important.
Cheers
QUOTE (Nick+)
HOW BIG CAN A WAVE BE?
Look at rpenners post here :-
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=171217
It gets REALLY INTERESTING here :-
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=176180
I seem to reached the end of rpenners (great) patience .. he might respond better to someone else.
The answers (some) are out there
.
Best wishes,
-C2.
Look at rpenners post here :-
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=171217
It gets REALLY INTERESTING here :-
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=176180
I seem to reached the end of rpenners (great) patience .. he might respond better to someone else.
The answers (some) are out there
.Best wishes,
-C2.
WHAT IF MEASUREMENT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BUT IT IS SIMPLY ANOTHER AS YET UNKNOWN PHENOMENON OCCURING?
MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT FELL --
MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT FELL --
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