What holding nucleons together? nucleons spins!
Particularly in deuterium if spins is in correct alignations like magnets atracting each over then proton and neutron can fuse into deuterium and if spin are antialignet then can't. I have conclusion, that spins couse strong force! On big distance spins becoming more and more probabilistic and thus force between spin on big distance very decrese.
prove it
Prove oposit!
Here how it working. At big distance spins are probabilistic yes? to any magnetic efefects - magnetism. thus if they moving they chaning spin quantization to magnetism of outside. So they sometimes pushing and somtimes atracting and thus in full paint - don't moving. But if two nucleons is close to each over then force of magnetism of spins is decided and they don't moving choticaly of thermal couses... thus spin don't changing quantizations. Thus in say fussion of proton and neutron there is 50% probability that they will fuse or not. But becouse there no coloumb force then they can easyly fuse like it is in nature... So I think there prety enough proves for this theory.
Here how it working. At big distance spins are probabilistic yes? to any magnetic efefects - magnetism. thus if they moving they chaning spin quantization to magnetism of outside. So they sometimes pushing and somtimes atracting and thus in full paint - don't moving. But if two nucleons is close to each over then force of magnetism of spins is decided and they don't moving choticaly of thermal couses... thus spin don't changing quantizations. Thus in say fussion of proton and neutron there is 50% probability that they will fuse or not. But becouse there no coloumb force then they can easyly fuse like it is in nature... So I think there prety enough proves for this theory.
Coper pairs of electrons at near to zero temperature becoming becouse of spins connection! But this relesd energy is not like fusino or fission of nuclears, becosue electron mass is ~2000 times smaller than nucleon mass and thus charge power probably don't letting to do such trick like with nuclears, becouse acording to hensbrg uncertainty principle electron is big and thus not all his power is released or maybe not... Anyway electron have small mass and thus no such many energy releasing in spins connection. becouse in nuclears is used 1/1000 mass to-> energy, thus if electron mass is 2000 times smaller, then of course all mass can't go to energy in electrons cooper pairings, huh? But for this is responsible electrons spins!
Okey, now how two nucleons proton and neutron holding spin force? Spin is probabilistic to any field, but if two spins interacts, then they both have probabilistic field, thus becoming either superposition of 4 states 0.5(|00>+|01>+|10>+|11>). Where probability is 0.5^2=0.25 for each state. So |00> is means, that two spins are orentated in this way S---N*S---N. 01 means, taht two spins is orentated in way S-N*N-S. 10: N-S*S-N. 11: N-S*N-S. Now lets see what it means. 00 means, that two spins atracting each over. 01 means that two spins pushing each over (I mean two electrons pushing each over). 10 means, that two electrons pushing each over. And 11 means, taht two electrons atracting each over. so there is equaly probability 0.5 for that spins wil atract and tha push. Thus spins are about 100 or more (500) times stronger atracting than coloumb force resitance. Thus atoms nuclears liek helium can be created. In helium there a bit more dificult, but the same combination of 4 variants probably... So probably oponent may ask why two protons don't fusing if spins force is stronger than coloumb force? Well, one explaination may be that if two protons moving then spins quantization randomly chaning and "can't decide" which spin quantization to take, becouse magnetic field strenght and field itself also changing (field is over spin), so at big distance where possible nucleons motions, nucleons don't atracting each over and don't have such probability of 0.5. And at close distance there no jumping from distance to over, no distance change, thus nucleons holds stable. Over explanation can be, that at big distance spins have uncertainty principle and they are not measured, thus they can be sometime there and sometimes there... And atraction changings... At close distance uncertaitny principle have smaller radius and thus such "tricks" don't hapeining.
Thus my concept based on this, that actualy nobody understand spins and thus spins is nucleons holding force!!!
Okey, now how two nucleons proton and neutron holding spin force? Spin is probabilistic to any field, but if two spins interacts, then they both have probabilistic field, thus becoming either superposition of 4 states 0.5(|00>+|01>+|10>+|11>). Where probability is 0.5^2=0.25 for each state. So |00> is means, that two spins are orentated in this way S---N*S---N. 01 means, taht two spins is orentated in way S-N*N-S. 10: N-S*S-N. 11: N-S*N-S. Now lets see what it means. 00 means, that two spins atracting each over. 01 means that two spins pushing each over (I mean two electrons pushing each over). 10 means, that two electrons pushing each over. And 11 means, taht two electrons atracting each over. so there is equaly probability 0.5 for that spins wil atract and tha push. Thus spins are about 100 or more (500) times stronger atracting than coloumb force resitance. Thus atoms nuclears liek helium can be created. In helium there a bit more dificult, but the same combination of 4 variants probably... So probably oponent may ask why two protons don't fusing if spins force is stronger than coloumb force? Well, one explaination may be that if two protons moving then spins quantization randomly chaning and "can't decide" which spin quantization to take, becouse magnetic field strenght and field itself also changing (field is over spin), so at big distance where possible nucleons motions, nucleons don't atracting each over and don't have such probability of 0.5. And at close distance there no jumping from distance to over, no distance change, thus nucleons holds stable. Over explanation can be, that at big distance spins have uncertainty principle and they are not measured, thus they can be sometime there and sometimes there... And atraction changings... At close distance uncertaitny principle have smaller radius and thus such "tricks" don't hapeining.
Thus my concept based on this, that actualy nobody understand spins and thus spins is nucleons holding force!!!
no no, i don't think you understand, I asked you to prove it (not with words, with mathematical expressions that produce the numbers we proved already exist, such as the strong force, the reason it becomes weak after about 1.7 fm, and how it then results in the magnetic force.)
QUOTE (theory_of_nj+Jun 26 2008, 05:33 PM)
prove it
You are not serious, you are asking DaviD to prove something with math? Did you look at his feedback?
You are not serious, you are asking DaviD to prove something with math? Did you look at his feedback?
QUOTE (theory_of_nj+Jun 27 2008, 06:45 PM)
no no, i don't think you understand, I asked you to prove it (not with words, with mathematical expressions that produce the numbers we proved already exist, such as the strong force, the reason it becomes weak after about 1.7 fm, and how it then results in the magnetic force.)
Prove oposit! Since we nothing don't know about spins and don't understand they right, it's possible then everything is possible. And thinking on the over hand, where is proves, that force between nucleons is only at small speed? Simply electrons also have spins and electrons blocking two atoms o fuse they nuclears... So spins still must atract stronger than charge force!! So I don't see nothing wrong about small sizes! And since you don't know this all stuff like uncertainty principle, then spin force can fit in any range of it and don't need precisly value of spin (or strong force match...)! For example spin can fuse as one onto another nucleons and like spheres only touching in one point and force will be diferent! And as I say two nucleons can't fuse like proton with neutron if they spins don't atract each over. Thus spins force must be somthere very equal to strong force! Thus I don't see any obstacles, that spin can't be strong force!!!
Prove oposit! Since we nothing don't know about spins and don't understand they right, it's possible then everything is possible. And thinking on the over hand, where is proves, that force between nucleons is only at small speed? Simply electrons also have spins and electrons blocking two atoms o fuse they nuclears... So spins still must atract stronger than charge force!! So I don't see nothing wrong about small sizes! And since you don't know this all stuff like uncertainty principle, then spin force can fit in any range of it and don't need precisly value of spin (or strong force match...)! For example spin can fuse as one onto another nucleons and like spheres only touching in one point and force will be diferent! And as I say two nucleons can't fuse like proton with neutron if they spins don't atract each over. Thus spins force must be somthere very equal to strong force! Thus I don't see any obstacles, that spin can't be strong force!!!
QUOTE (Trout+Jun 27 2008, 10:30 PM)
You are not serious, you are asking DaviD to prove something with math? Did you look at his feedback?
I bet that you don't understand about spins half, that understand I. And to prove it is very hard, becouse magnetism is somewhow related with mass in units, very stupid, this is not my foult, that magnetism is mikxed with mass!!
edit: here is atom model of spins and charges. Electrons have quantized orbits, becouse charge distance working... and electrons orbits like you can see from schrodinger equation not so quantized 
So all electron quantizeation and orbits is possible to explain with charges and spins interactinos.
BTW, why then electrons don't fuse with protons (nuclears)? Who say that they don't fuse? WE don't know they size and they structure, waves and so on so electrons maybe fuse... Over answer can be that all spin froce between nuclears and electrons taking all mass of electron and force don't enough of spn to change somthing of electron and when electron flying around nuclear then nuclear spin is over after 180^o and electron is pushed instead atracted. And for lussers: electron don't radiating magnetic waves, becouse electron flying in each orbit with constant speed! There everyhting is so unclear, that I wonder how schrodinger equation can somthing explain and somthing to determine... And since schrodinger equation explaining so don't much, it can be cosidence...
Why for example neutron don't atracting electron? But who say, that it don't atracting? Spin must atract! Thus electron mush fusse with neutron and to produce somthing, but since imposible to izolate them both then by thermal noise and spins of over particles electron won't fuse with neutron. And neutron is product of proton and neutron fusion... Spins and charges. Charge force atraction energy is production of antineutrino. And neutrons can decay, becouse thermal noise of over particles spins and charges disbalancing spin balnace between electron and proton spins and thus spins becoming acidently oposit and thus neutron decay into proton and electron and charge force products antineutrino. As we know proton don't decay if there no positrons and probably over thricks maybe from cosmic rays...
I bet that you don't understand about spins half, that understand I. And to prove it is very hard, becouse magnetism is somewhow related with mass in units, very stupid, this is not my foult, that magnetism is mikxed with mass!!
edit: here is atom model of spins and charges. Electrons have quantized orbits, becouse charge distance working... and electrons orbits like you can see from schrodinger equation not so quantized
So all electron quantizeation and orbits is possible to explain with charges and spins interactinos. BTW, why then electrons don't fuse with protons (nuclears)? Who say that they don't fuse? WE don't know they size and they structure, waves and so on so electrons maybe fuse... Over answer can be that all spin froce between nuclears and electrons taking all mass of electron and force don't enough of spn to change somthing of electron and when electron flying around nuclear then nuclear spin is over after 180^o and electron is pushed instead atracted. And for lussers: electron don't radiating magnetic waves, becouse electron flying in each orbit with constant speed! There everyhting is so unclear, that I wonder how schrodinger equation can somthing explain and somthing to determine... And since schrodinger equation explaining so don't much, it can be cosidence...
Why for example neutron don't atracting electron? But who say, that it don't atracting? Spin must atract! Thus electron mush fusse with neutron and to produce somthing, but since imposible to izolate them both then by thermal noise and spins of over particles electron won't fuse with neutron. And neutron is product of proton and neutron fusion... Spins and charges. Charge force atraction energy is production of antineutrino. And neutrons can decay, becouse thermal noise of over particles spins and charges disbalancing spin balnace between electron and proton spins and thus spins becoming acidently oposit and thus neutron decay into proton and electron and charge force products antineutrino. As we know proton don't decay if there no positrons and probably over thricks maybe from cosmic rays...
QUOTE (DavidD+Jun 28 2008, 05:38 AM)
Prove oposit! (sic)
The responsibility of proof that your "theory" is any better than what we already have lies with you. What we already have is QCD that does a pretty good job already thank you very much. Given your ability to spell I suspect your skills with maths are not going to be sufficient to do this.
The responsibility of proof that your "theory" is any better than what we already have lies with you. What we already have is QCD that does a pretty good job already thank you very much. Given your ability to spell I suspect your skills with maths are not going to be sufficient to do this.
QUOTE (prometheus+Jun 28 2008, 08:54 AM)
The responsibility of proof that your "theory" is any better than what we already have lies with you. What we already have is QCD that does a pretty good job already thank you very much. Given your ability to spell I suspect your skills with maths are not going to be sufficient to do this.
But I explaining it with spins instead with mystery strong force. Isn't it better? Like I explaining nucleons with quarks is better and at least spins was realy observed unlike quarks. So I giving a little bit correction what is strong force - it's spins! Couper pairs - also spins efect. And since electron can have in hydrogen atom only two energy levels - electron energy levels is coused by charge force and spins in though electron have uncertainty principle like proton. 
But I explaining it with spins instead with mystery strong force. Isn't it better? Like I explaining nucleons with quarks is better and at least spins was realy observed unlike quarks. So I giving a little bit correction what is strong force - it's spins! Couper pairs - also spins efect. And since electron can have in hydrogen atom only two energy levels - electron energy levels is coused by charge force and spins in though electron have uncertainty principle like proton.
Good theory, but to get a nobel prize mathematical explanation is needed! 
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QUOTE (TheoryOfEverything+Aug 12 2008, 08:16 AM)
Good theory, but to get a nobel prize mathematical explanation is needed! javascript:emoticon('B)')
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Wrong. This theory is bad, because spins don't exist, but magnetism still is gravity...
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Wrong. This theory is bad, because spins don't exist, but magnetism still is gravity...
This is an interesting report by A. O. Barut that argues the possibility that the magnetic force is actually the strong force (see section II):
http://streaming.ictp.trieste.it/preprints/P/79/040.pdf
http://streaming.ictp.trieste.it/preprints/P/79/040.pdf
mesons hold baryons together within the strong nuclear force. the three quarks that make up protons and neutrons have partial charge which counteract one another. look into nuclear forces, it seems as though you need to do a bit more research before posting.
QUOTE (DaveLush+Aug 12 2008, 06:42 PM)
This is an interesting report by A. O. Barut that argues the possibility that the magnetic force is actually the strong force (see section II):
http://streaming.ictp.trieste.it/preprints/P/79/040.pdf
Yes, but to create nuclear particles nessasary must move and they going in same direction, but when going in same direction, then becoming atract each over and if becoming atract and tent to go in oposit thus directions then tend to push and thus I don't know, there of course magnetism is strong force, but this strong force is prety blured and prety uncelar in my theory so think in conventional now understanding about strong force is prety stupid and even possible, that atom always concist of one proton and electron, but they energies just are diferent and thus atom is either O-16 or N-14 and clear line between them don't exist, this is possible, that no strong line between atoms mass and they mass is not 'digital', but 'analog' spectr...
http://streaming.ictp.trieste.it/preprints/P/79/040.pdf
Yes, but to create nuclear particles nessasary must move and they going in same direction, but when going in same direction, then becoming atract each over and if becoming atract and tent to go in oposit thus directions then tend to push and thus I don't know, there of course magnetism is strong force, but this strong force is prety blured and prety uncelar in my theory so think in conventional now understanding about strong force is prety stupid and even possible, that atom always concist of one proton and electron, but they energies just are diferent and thus atom is either O-16 or N-14 and clear line between them don't exist, this is possible, that no strong line between atoms mass and they mass is not 'digital', but 'analog' spectr...
QUOTE (johnsom7+Aug 13 2008, 02:05 AM)
mesons hold baryons together within the strong nuclear force. the three quarks that make up protons and neutrons have partial charge which counteract one another. look into nuclear forces, it seems as though you need to do a bit more research before posting.
forget it, all your mentioned particles don't exist...
forget it, all your mentioned particles don't exist...
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