That is a mouth full. More ways than one . Consciousness all together perhaps .
When you see something you are looking at the past . What already happened . Even when right on top of the situation unfolding there is the slight delay of time from what you see and the event happening . Like said about looking in a mirror . There is a miniscule time delay between what you see and what is really there . I didn't make that up . It was a discussion at sciforum and the evidence presented was extremely compelling. Top public physicists in there field confirmed the notion .
Confirmation of the future by the sight of inroads in systems existing . Ultimate out comes by collisions of opposing groups of influence . Tooshay_ ungaurd !
War is even still at play . What will humans do next
Oh my intention was just to make a very simple picture
But you are right, I agree that it is deeply involving the whole world of consciousness, something that is not being discussed in this forum, because it is apparently vieved as a strictly PHYSICAL forum and nothing else. But it is not easy meningfully, at least as I see it, to discuss physics without involving metaphysics. I like to avoid concepts like imaginary particles for instance, without at least trying to get a gist about what imaginary fundamentally means. And the closest I can get is that PHYSICAL is abut all that which can be interferred with, by Human PHYSICAL senses, and the rest is belonging to the world that cannot. But this IMO makes it no more REAL so to speak, and no more untouchable (interferable ) to our mind senses, as compared to the physical scale. The distinction between noumenal and phenomenal, is something that is amazingly overlooked (and forbidden) in this forum.
You may have noticed that I like to look at scales and the interaction between scales, and how everything ultimately can be seen as INFORMATION. Without this angle I cannot get a grip on anything.
The quintessence is that what we like to define as @real physical world@ is about how information observes information, and everything relating to observation is in retrospect an event. There exist no such thing as absolute time, because time is a reflection of a change that has already occurred, and again it relates to scales. How long time does it take to express a particle or an event well, it depends on scale and frame of the observer. Real physical world is just the scale of electron & photon, and observed by human mind. No more no less. And Einstein was not only wise but perhaps also a little lucky when he decided to define and describe Universe out from this metaphor. In its essence it is anthropic.
I have been reading many of your posts and they give more meaning to me than the bulk of mainstrem nonsense in this forum (strictly personal view of course), and the way that this forum has been moderated has been very bad to real science (strictly my personal view again of course)
sorry, I am afraid that this was a kind of side step
What will human do next ?, well I think that they will accept the paradigme shift when it comes, not changing existing physics at all just make it a little less complicated and free for all the crystal skyes that has been invented in order to solve some of the deepest problems (paradoxes) that shadow for a simpler concept. And here I am thinking specifically on the paradox of infinite and continuous to exist in the same basket, something human mind cannot grasp.
BTW how do you imagine that incoming signals to the mind can be counted. It is not too complicated to account for counsciouss signals and they are not many, now what about subliminal signals ? and how suliminal or indirect can a signal be before it is being diluted into something that cannot be defined. Exactly the same problem as with particles. It is quite easy to account for signals in the scale of human physical senses (you remember electron / photon) but soon the observations become very indirect, well as long as a quark express itself via a bigger particle no problem, but what if the quark has not yet formed into a higher particle, and the same goes for dark matter dark energy etc etc etc.
And what is a @brain@. I like to see a brain as an information Qbit with the ability of observing information and @copy paste replay and turn it into consciousness@, but the question is which kind of consciousness. If one accept the idea of scaling then everything becomes much more complex and interesting, and one can easily imagine that a quark has a brain, there is simple nothing in the universe that cannot interfere (observe) the surrounfing Universe (true entanglement), and any observation is a kind of interference and involves a kind of wavecollaps (in all scales) and a wavecollaps will change the next coming event. In its quintessense all kinds of observations (involving all scales) effects the future, and the socalled presence, the NOW is always the past. Talking about free will ?
15th July 2012 - 10:23 PM
Son of a bitch . I understood what you said and I tend to agree . Information battles . Yeah . That is what imagery I got out of that . I pictured information groups that prop up there information viability by battling contrary circles of information . A discrediting service so to speak . A survival tool of the modern earth .
Thought paradigm shift ? What you think about that ?
To take the human brain and put threw a series of stress tests by emotional brake downs . To kill the ego of self preservation . So as to shift motive of the group by manipulation of a few that transmit the new thoughts of stressed to a braking point. Once a set number have been broke down they infect every one they come into contact with. Then an exponential effect could occur with the new virus that infiltrates the brain . Course it is placebo in nature as we use the brain pathways as the driving force for the new virus. So as we open the new path ways in the brain we plant the ego destruction virus . Not the same as self esteem mind you . We would want high self-esteem to be kept intact and also heighten self esteem to new levels while destruction of self preservation ego is killed . It should give extreme feelings of extreme joy in the individual by my calculations . They would rid them selves of a lot of fear that holds back human potential .
16th July 2012 - 12:08 AM
QUOTE (niels+Jul 15 2012, 09:41 PM)
Oh well I think that they will accept the paradigme shift when it comes,
and how subliminal or indirect can a signal be before it is being diluted into something that cannot be defined.
It is quite easy to account for signals in the scale of human physical senses
M.R.Is are getting a handle on mapping . There is serious research in this field and a student that meet the qualifications can get cold hard fast cash from letting them prob there minds. There is an application on line for any that want to submit to the study
Talking about free will ?
I don't think it is diluted is the thing . It is masked by political dogma so the subject has been desensitized to the noises in peoples heads . It is belittled so people shut it down as a way to conform to protocols. I think it is front and center in the reality of the subject though . The problem is the subject can't see past there personal well to identify another persons well . That well being the scattered circles that influence there daily decisions.
It is like that moment when you find out something true about another . First Thought " I didn't know that about him/her.
It is do to the closed systems . The one where threat is real so the closure of the system shuts off do to the real threat ( be it what ever : Got to make a mortgage payment . I only have this much to buy groceries. My son needs an operation) Real threats ) you can see where the conflict comes in . Criminal analysis tells us the criminal did the crime to feed his group . I imagine that would be number one answer . Course the majority of murders are wives killing there husbands . Did you know that ? I am relatively positive that is an accurate statement. Bad dads . Violent offenders .
24th July 2012 - 03:37 AM
O.K I Post in the wrong thread . Sorry ! I deleted it
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