A member of this forum posted This
Every other poster after that didn't respond to his post as they were to busy arguing. On the next page he posts This
Still, no one responded to his original post and the arguing continues.
Later he posts again Here in another thread where people are arguing again and still no one has responded to his post.
What must NEVERDRY think of physorg?
It's all the damn athiests.
QUOTE (excaza+Jul 2 2008, 02:04 PM)
It's all the damn athiests.
Don' forget about the sneerin Oxford elitists.
Don' forget about the sneerin Oxford elitists.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Jul 2 2008, 02:44 PM)
Don' forget about the sneerin Oxford elitists.
I suspect that Stephen Hawking and the rest of the String Theory Thought Police have something to do with it, too.
I suspect that Stephen Hawking and the rest of the String Theory Thought Police have something to do with it, too.
The universe was different when he was a teenager, he can't prove that he actually picked up the book, so everything else, ever, is null and void. Lurkers take note.
Is neverdry right?
When I first came here and was told that time is a sequence of events I wondered if going faster was the same as events being closer together in space.
When I first came here and was told that time is a sequence of events I wondered if going faster was the same as events being closer together in space.
QUOTE (orestis+Jul 2 2008, 05:35 PM)
Is neverdry right?
When I first came here and was told that time is a sequence of events I wondered if going faster was the same as events being closer together in space.
Its gravity that bends space-time. As you move closer to the speed of light its your length that contracts in the direction of travel not the space infront of you. However, someone can correct me if they want.
However, if you were to move at the speed of light traveling to wards something 4 light years away. Since time would stop for you you could get there seemingly instantaneous, but your dog back on earth would still be 4 years older.
I only answered your question because it may have a common error. In high school for simplistic purposes, I was taught that mass increases as you move closer to the speed of light. Which if it did, yes you would also bend space infront of you. But I hear this is untrue, and that it is only relativistic mass that increases not the kind of mass that causes gravity.
When I first came here and was told that time is a sequence of events I wondered if going faster was the same as events being closer together in space.
Its gravity that bends space-time. As you move closer to the speed of light its your length that contracts in the direction of travel not the space infront of you. However, someone can correct me if they want.
However, if you were to move at the speed of light traveling to wards something 4 light years away. Since time would stop for you you could get there seemingly instantaneous, but your dog back on earth would still be 4 years older.
I only answered your question because it may have a common error. In high school for simplistic purposes, I was taught that mass increases as you move closer to the speed of light. Which if it did, yes you would also bend space infront of you. But I hear this is untrue, and that it is only relativistic mass that increases not the kind of mass that causes gravity.
QUOTE (Beer w/Straw+Jul 3 2008, 12:15 AM)
But I hear this is untrue, and that it is only relativistic mass that increases not the kind of mass that causes gravity.
It ain't even a different kind o mass, it's jes the total energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity
callin it "relativistic mass" is a helluva odd thing, until ya consider the equivilence principle, which I reckon physicists musta taken fer granted, in order to make sense o that phrase.
It ain't even a different kind o mass, it's jes the total energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity
callin it "relativistic mass" is a helluva odd thing, until ya consider the equivilence principle, which I reckon physicists musta taken fer granted, in order to make sense o that phrase.
Well, at least I've got the terms in my head but I'm going to have to set this one aside. There is a good conversation going on at Sapo's Joint that started with electrons jumping shells and I'm trying to understand wave-particle duality.
Maybe I'll trip one day, bump my head and all the words will fall in place all by themselves.
Maybe I'll trip one day, bump my head and all the words will fall in place all by themselves.
I heard a funny one too.
You know, what I heard is that they channeled the Star Wars series from another time and that the people who made the movies, didn't even know it was genuine material!
Know what else?, is that some of the spirits from that time remanifested themselves here, but this was to heal.
Whats really funny, is that the reincarnation of Jade Skywalker, who was an assassin before she came here, had marks (((zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!)
silence
You know, what I heard is that they channeled the Star Wars series from another time and that the people who made the movies, didn't even know it was genuine material!
Know what else?, is that some of the spirits from that time remanifested themselves here, but this was to heal.
Whats really funny, is that the reincarnation of Jade Skywalker, who was an assassin before she came here, had marks (((zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!)
silence
QUOTE (philip61+)
I heard a funny one too.
You know, what I heard is that they channeled the Star Wars series from another time and that the people who made the movies, didn't even know it was genuine material!
phillip60.
STAR WARS WAS NOT REAL!
You know, what I heard is that they channeled the Star Wars series from another time and that the people who made the movies, didn't even know it was genuine material!
phillip60.
STAR WARS WAS NOT REAL!
I can see how bitch fighting sock puppets can mindfuck a newcomer like NEVERDRY.
QUOTE (vkamath+Jul 3 2008, 03:50 AM)
I can see how bitch fighting sock puppets can mindfuck a newcomer like NEVERDRY.
Wrong again, brainiac. 
Yawns, listening to Forum-Mafia-Misfits is a great cure for insomnia, zzz.
Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity - Evolution is proceeding in the direction of increasing simplicity of the logical basis (principles). .. We must always be ready to change these notions - that is to say, the axiomatic basis of physics - in order to do justice to perceived facts in the most perfect way logically.(Albert Einstein,1936)Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended (as fields). In this way the concept 'empty space' loses its meaning. ... The field thus becomes an irreducible element of physical description, irreducible in the same sense as the concept of matter (particles) in the theory of Newton. ... The physical reality of space is represented by a field whose components are continuous functions of four independent variables - the co-ordinates of space and time. Since the theory of general relativity implies the representation of physical reality by a continuous field, the concept of particles or material points cannot play a fundamental part, nor can the concept of motion. The particle can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or the energy density are particularly high. (Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence:
Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter.
(Albert Einstein)
g.
QUOTE (vkamath+Jul 2 2008, 07:50 PM)
I can see how bitch fighting sock puppets can mindfuck a newcomer like NEVERDRY.
Or even piss off somebody who has been here for a while...can a person get a solid debate or answer anymore?
QUOTE (Beer w/Straw+Jul 3 2008, 10:15 AM)
Its gravity that bends space-time. As you move closer to the speed of light its your length that contracts in the direction of travel not the space infront of you. However, someone can correct me if they want.
fyi Beer, that's what an outside observer (stationary frame of reference) sees when they look at you. From your frame of reference however, the space in front of you does in fact contract, and your length remains unchanged.
fyi Beer, that's what an outside observer (stationary frame of reference) sees when they look at you. From your frame of reference however, the space in front of you does in fact contract, and your length remains unchanged.
QUOTE (Beer w/Straw+Jul 2 2008, 02:01 PM)
A member of this forum posted This
Every other poster after that didn't respond to his post as they were to busy arguing. On the next page he posts This
Still, no one responded to his original post and the arguing continues.
Later he posts again Here in another thread where people are arguing again and still no one has responded to his post.
What must NEVERDRY think of physorg?
Yeah, the moderators here seriously need to start cleaning house. I don't post here too often anymore because all it has become is arguments over the most trivial things. Are there even moderators for this board? I was on another board and people who would post things off topic all the time they would ban from certain sections of that board. Sounds like a good idea to me. They would also give people warnings when personal attacks ensued. Once again, sounds like a good idea.
Every other poster after that didn't respond to his post as they were to busy arguing. On the next page he posts This
Still, no one responded to his original post and the arguing continues.
Later he posts again Here in another thread where people are arguing again and still no one has responded to his post.
What must NEVERDRY think of physorg?
Yeah, the moderators here seriously need to start cleaning house. I don't post here too often anymore because all it has become is arguments over the most trivial things. Are there even moderators for this board? I was on another board and people who would post things off topic all the time they would ban from certain sections of that board. Sounds like a good idea to me. They would also give people warnings when personal attacks ensued. Once again, sounds like a good idea.
QUOTE (oomchu+Jul 5 2008, 11:17 PM)
Yeah, the moderators here seriously need to start cleaning house. I don't post here too often anymore because all it has become is arguments over the most trivial things. Are there even moderators for this board? I was on another board and people who would post things off topic all the time they would ban from certain sections of that board. Sounds like a good idea to me. They would also give people warnings when personal attacks ensued. Once again, sounds like a good idea.
But then I wouldn't be able to confuse the hell out of people by making nonsensical interjections! Where would be the fun in that?
But then I wouldn't be able to confuse the hell out of people by making nonsensical interjections! Where would be the fun in that?
QUOTE (dwk+Jul 5 2008, 02:23 PM)
But then I wouldn't be able to confuse the hell out of people by making nonsensical interjections! Where would be the fun in that?
Humorous, but it's sad the situation on this board has delved so low.
Humorous, but it's sad the situation on this board has delved so low.
Thank you Beer w/straw
QUOTE (oomchu+Jul 6 2008, 02:05 AM)
it's sad the situation on this board has delved so low.
It's just human nature - nothing to lament over.
In my experience when someone is too stubbornly entrenched in their latest pet theory to listen to common sense from a 'know-it-all', it's sometimes more effective to act as a naive idiot (who needs things spelled out - contradictions and all) instead. People quickly drop their layer of paranoid defensiveness and become more open to critical analysis if they believe their opponent actually hasn't already condemned them. Sometimes the uninitiated just want a sounding board for their ideas.
I for one am glad that this isn't one of those forums where the fringe element gets 'censored' in the interests of conservative discussion. New physical theories have to come from somewhere after all.
It's just human nature - nothing to lament over.
In my experience when someone is too stubbornly entrenched in their latest pet theory to listen to common sense from a 'know-it-all', it's sometimes more effective to act as a naive idiot (who needs things spelled out - contradictions and all) instead. People quickly drop their layer of paranoid defensiveness and become more open to critical analysis if they believe their opponent actually hasn't already condemned them. Sometimes the uninitiated just want a sounding board for their ideas.
I for one am glad that this isn't one of those forums where the fringe element gets 'censored' in the interests of conservative discussion. New physical theories have to come from somewhere after all.
QUOTE (dwk+Jul 8 2008, 04:36 AM)
New physical theories have to come from somewhere after all.
Generally from someone who actually has an education in the subject, or at the very least, has actually studied the subject.
Note: This excludes (almost?) everyone who posts their personal theory on this site. The discussions here are not scientifically productive, though they are sometimes entertaining.
Generally from someone who actually has an education in the subject, or at the very least, has actually studied the subject.
Note: This excludes (almost?) everyone who posts their personal theory on this site. The discussions here are not scientifically productive, though they are sometimes entertaining.
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