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MattWeston
NASA to Begin Test of 20-Meter Solar Sail

(Given that solar sails do not need to haul around propellent) Which can harnesses more energy fromt he sun, solar sails or solar panels (that produce electricity).

Could we will develop a way to harness both technologies into a single sail?

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.001
A solar sail is a means of propulsion, not to harness energy. It might be a cool idea though to do as you say to make a 2-in-1 application. It would have to still be paper thin though. The solar sails I have read about that would be used for space travel are on the order of miles or tens of miles in diameter.
MattWeston
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A solar sail is a means of propulsion, not to harness energy
I knew this but failed to mention coupling the solar panels to an ion engine or the like.

Why do solar sails need to be so thin? Is it a vehical mass issue?

As far as distance from source (the sun), wouldn't the solar sails also have a degraded effect per distance, since the solar wind becomes more diffuesed? At what rate might each system degrade; and closer to a star, would one have an advantage over the other?

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QUOTE (MattWeston+Apr 8 2005, 06:32 PM)
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A solar sail is a means of propulsion, not to harness energy
I knew this but failed to mention coupling the solar panels to an ion engine or the like.

Why do solar sails need to be so thin? Is it a vehical mass issue?

As far as distance from source (the sun), wouldn't the solar sails also have a degraded effect per distance, since the solar wind becomes more diffuesed? At what rate might each system degrade; and closer to a star, would one have an advantage over the other?

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Thin because of the great amount of material one needs to cover many square miles, plus the flexibility would be better than a thick plate that might crack or shatter during a hit from stray particles passing by.

.001
"A photon smacks the sail and reflects off with lower energy. The sail moves away from the bounced photon like a struck punching bag. The same force blows comet tails away from the Sun...Thomas Gold, physics professor emeritus at Cornell University in New York disagrees. He says that the sail is a perfect mirror and, as such, will reflect the photon with no loss of energy. No loss of energy on the photon’s part means no gain for the sail. The sail won’t move."

http://www.wonderquest.com/solar-sail-chicks-light-speed.htm
PhantomLemur
If NASA is investing money into developing this I can see them investing money into developing a solar sail able to convert energy for an ion engine. Maybe it'll take another 20 years, industial manufacturing of nanotechnology, and carbonfiber rope has a long way to go, but I think it'll happen. Hey, if we can spend 250 billion on the Joint Strike Fighter, we might be able to scrounge up a few hundred million to send a solar sail out of the solar system. I mean what would have happened if Christopher Columbus hadn't had any funding? America might now be the largest province of China. Governments have a vested interest in exploring our solar system and the technology that can get us there.
Thrawn
Just for the record, solar sails aren't pushed by the solar wind, but are pushed by the light of the sun. This push is so gentle that the craft needs to be as light as possible to get significant acceleration.

-Suneet
PhantomLemur
Here are some relevant websites:

Glenn Research Center

New NASA technology stuff

Solar Sail Paper
.001
Just for the record. Solar sails may not work. Magnetic sails might though, and they use solar wind for propulsion.
PhantomLemur
Here are the websites for the companies whose two designs NASA is currently testing: L'Garde, Inc. and SRS Technologies
Enthalpy
Solar sails may not work? What's that assertion?

My opinion is that they do work, are way better than chemical propulsion for many missions, and should have been developed a long time ago.

Even with a reasonable thickness (like 5µm - for comparison, blanket used to wrap wounded people is under 20µm thick), a craft with a solar sail would go to a polar Sun orbit within 1 year, as opposed to half a decade for Galileo.

So it's certainly the engineering headache worth.
.001
Wow, this thread hasn't had a post for 3 1/2 years and now this - lol.

I think the original reason why it was mentioned it would not work is for interstellar travel between the stars. It would be like taking the sun from our solar system, which one of the thousands of star then would have enough umph to use a solar sail then?

Answer: None
Harry Costas
G'day .001

You can talk about anything and everything.

As for solar sail and solar panel, both can be incorporated into one.
K. Margiani
Intergalactic black hole orbiting near to the Sun would be dangerous gravitational sail for solar system. The Sun’s orbit could be changed and interstellar traveling would be finished by the hit to another star or to the pirate black hole. Similar event forms huge nebula. For example: Eagle nebula, Elephant nebula.
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Harry Costas
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Enthalpy
Well done, I hadn't seen the dates...

For interstellar travel, no hope. Not even that interesting for going far in our Solar system.

Combining with solar panels looks like a very bad idea, because of the weight of solar panels. A sail must be very light.
arosmith
Solar panel can easily become the important energy source in the future as the energy and heat is natural and we just need to set up a solar panel and no extra expense is required.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (arosmith+Nov 16 2011, 02:10 AM)
Solar panel can easily become the important energy source in the future as the energy and heat is natural and we just need to set up a solar panel and no extra expense is required.

Here is some fresh meat who is going to to do the savagery?
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El_Machinae
The Planetary Society (which is funded with donations) is working on solar sail experiments. Our per capita contribution to space development is ~$50 per year, which means that kicking $50 or so to the society would effectively double your personal contribution.

Contributing twice as much as 'society' (in a relative sense) means that you're a true fan of space development, instead of just an internet armchair quarterback.
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