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TinyTree
Sir William Lawrence was a surgeon who wrote a few decades before Darwin developed his own theories. Lawrence's writings pretty much were the theory of evolution. It is known that Darwin had Lawrence's books. So the question here is- what did Darwin contribute beyond what Lawrence had already written?

The Quarterly Review wrote "We at the Quarterly Review, would ask what is is that Mr. Lawrence, who is generally in the habit of smiling at the credulity of the world, modestly requires us all to believe? That there is no difference between a man and an oyster, other than that one possesses bodily organs more fully developed than the other! That all the eminent powers of reason, reflexion, imagination and memory - the powers which distinguish a Milton, a Newton, and a Locke, - are merely the function of a few ounces of organized matter called the brain! ... Mr. Lawrence considers that man, in the most important characteristic of his nature, is nothing more than an orang-outang or an ape with 'more ample cerebral hemispheres'"

So here is both the most damning things that Darwin suggested- that there is a continuity of form from one organism to another, and that humanity itself fell into this rubric.

Lawrence wrote about how racial characteristics were inherited, and suggested how geographic separation was critical. He wrote specifically:

"The offspring inherit only their parents connate pecularities and not any of the acquired qualities". he wrote about how the races of man arose as by mutations as such as may be seen in a litter of kittens. he wrote about how sexual selection has improved the beauty of races. He wrote about how selection and exclusion were the means of change and adaptation. he observed selection in breeding and saw how that affected the overall change in species.

In short, I am wondering what if anything he left off?

He left out generalizing the notion of selection- he spoke of the abstraction of selection, and the specificity of artificial selection, sexual selection. He didn't speak of natural selection in those words- but really- did he need to invent that term to have the entire idea?

Did Darwin really just use his influence as a biologist to further Lawrences ideas, and put a meme on the general notion of selection to claim it as his own?
TinyTree
If you google "Lawrence" and "Natural History of Man" you can find the actual book scanned in by google. Here is an excerpt from the book written in 1848:

In endeavoring to account for the diversities of features, proportions, general form, stature, and the other particulars mentioned in the three preceding chapters, I must repeat an observation already made and exemplified in speaking of colour; namely, that the law of resemblance between parents and offspring, which preserves species, and maintains uniformity in the living part of creation, suffers occasional and rare exceptions, that, under certain circumstances, an offspring is produced with new properties, different from those of the progenitors; and that the most powerful o fhtese causes is that artificial mode of life which we call the state of domestication.

At present we can only note the fact, that the domestic condition produces in great abundance not only those deviations from the natural state of the organization, which constitute disease, but also those departures from the ordinary course of the generative functions, which lead to the production of new characters in the offspring, and thus lay the foundation of new breeds.

Individuals are occasionally produced with supernumerary members on the hands or feet, or on both; and from these, whether males or females, the organic peculiarity frequently passes to their children. This does not constantly happen, because they intermarry with persons of the ordinary form; but if the six fingered and six toed could be matched together, and the breed could be preserved pure by excluding all who had not these additional members, there is no doubt that a permanent race might be formed constantly possessing this number of fingers and toes.

[B]Sexual selection in his own words[\B]

Connections in marriage will generally be formed on the idea of human beauty in any country; an influences this, which will gradually approximate the countenance towards one common standard.

[B]Artificial selection in his own words[\B]

The formation of new varieties by breeding from individuals in whom the desirable properties exist in the greatest degree, is seen much more distinctly in our domestic animals than in our own species, since the former are entirely in our power.

[B]Selection in general[\B]

A .. breed of human beings could only be produced by selections and exclusions similar to those so successfully employed in rearing our .. animals.. they are prevented, .. from propagating their deformities.


He then goes on to discuss how languages also propagate in a similar way to physical form.. he had the idea of memes long before Dawkins.

This is the book which Darwin had on his night stand. I don't understand why this guy is forgotten about, when he had all the ideas.
photojack
TinyTree, You bring up some great points which inspired me to do some research.

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Lawrence was one of three British medical men who wrote on evolution-related topics from 1813 to 1819. They would all have been familiar with Erasmus Darwin and Lamark at least; and probably also Malthus. Two (Prichard and Lawrence) dedicated their works to Blumenbach, the founder of physical anthropology. "The men who took up the challenge of Lamark were three English physicians, Wells, Lawrence and Prichard... All three men denied soft heredity (Lamarkism)"  Each (Wells, Lawrence and Prichard) grasped aspects of Darwin's theory, yet none saw the whole picture, and none developed the ideas any further.
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Perhaps you should have been replying to William Charles Wells?

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Lawrence was one of three British medical men who wrote on evolution-related topics from 1813 to 1819. They would all have been familiar with Erasmus Darwin and Lamark at least; and probably also Malthus. Two (Prichard and Lawrence) dedicated their works to Blumenbach, the founder of physical anthropology. "The men who took up the challenge of Lamark were three English physicians, Wells, Lawrence and Prichard... All three men denied soft heredity (Lamarkism)"  Each (Wells, Lawrence and Prichard) grasped aspects of Darwin's theory, yet none saw the whole picture, and none developed the ideas any further.
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Perhaps you should have been replying to William Charles Wells?

Wells was the elder of three British medical men who formulated evolutionary ideas in the period 1813–1819. He was, arguably, the most successful in this endeavor; the others were James Cowles Prichard and William Lawrence.
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He applied the idea of natural selection to the origin of different skin colors in human races, and from the context it seems he thought it might be applied more widely.. Charles Darwin said: "[Wells] distinctly recognizes the principle of natural selection, and this is the first recognition which has been indicated".  Credit for the first appreciation of natural selection should therefore go to Wells rather than to Edward Blyth or Patrick Matthew. The triumph is limited to the extent of being applied only to skin color, and not, as Darwin and Wallace did, to the whole range of life.


Of course Alfred Russel Wallace is the more widely known "underdog" of evolution. "...the existence of this whole group suggests there was something real (though intangible) about the intellectual atmosphere in Britain which is captured by the phrase 'evolution was in the air'." Indeed Darwin's grandfather, Erasmus Darwin's most important scientific work is Zoönomia (1794–1796), which contains a system of pathology, and a treatise on "generation", in which he anticipated the views of Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, and Lamarckism, which foreshadowed the modern theory of evolution and the modern evolutionary synthesis.

And none of these great British scientists was aware of Gregor Mendel's work on genetics which corroborated evolution by providing the explanation of the mechanism that allows heritable traits to be modified through sexual selection and passed on to subsequent generations. This was all "in the air" and proves the fact of evolution beyond reasonable doubt!
Gary Gaulin
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Sir William Lawrence was a surgeon who wrote a few decades before Darwin developed his own theories.  Lawrence's writings pretty much were the theory of evolution.  It is known that Darwin had Lawrence's books.  So the question here is- what did Darwin contribute beyond what Lawrence had already written?

I knew that evolutionary theory was at least a thousand years older than Darwin, but did not know about Sir Willaim Lawrence writing about it too. Thanks for the knowledge!
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From:  http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/?p=2356
Al-Jahiz was born in Basra in 776 CE to a poor family which is believed to be of Abyssinian descent. He was the author of Arabic literature, biology, zoology, Islamic philosophy and Mutazili theology.
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In the Book of Animals he has summarized it like this; Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring. 
TinyTree

Thanks for the note about Al-Jahiz. I had heard of earlier writers about evolution describing it pretty much exactly, but did not know of this one.

Lawrence in my mind is special merely because he is known to have been read by Darwin. One can not fault Darwin for not crediting properly ancient sources of which he had no knowledge.

But when the theory of evolution is spelled out in plain language, and all of its pieces are told, and all Darwin does is apply it to a few specifics of which the other writers did not have knowledge, one must wonder what exactly Darwin deserves all the credit for.

What he really seemed to provide was his reputation as backing- his strong reputation in biology.

But is this really something for which he should be enshrined and every other writer- including those who developed the ideas- are forgotten?

This is like Al Gore claiming he invented the internet. Later generations will doubtlessly credit him with this. But he didn't have much of anything to do with it besides using his political clout to back it.

This is what Darwin provided as well.
Matador
I think you will find he did more than 'just' that...
TinyTree
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I think you will find he did more than 'just' that...


And I am asking- what?

We can break evolutionary theory into the following components. Note, Darwin did not invent most of these ideas.


1) Animals inherit their traits from the generation before (Lawrence)
2) Some animals propagate on these traits, others do not (Lawrence)
3) Some animals propagate these traits because they are sexually attractive (Lawrence)
4) Some animals propagate these traits because they are selected (Lawrence)
5) Some animals propagate these traits because they are selected by external agents - domestication (Lawrence)
6) Some animals perform better in certain environments (Lawrence)
7) The environment determines which animals get selected (Darwin)
8) Invent the term "survival of the fittest" (Darwin)

It seems like Lawrence did all the work. Seriously- what did Darwin contribute here besides extending Lawrences idea slightly?
rpenner
Wrong on a number of points. Most telling is the reduction of evolution to a statement about "animals."

Lawrence is not the originator of most of those ideas. Animal husbandry is ancient.
"There is early evidence for conscious cultivation and trait selection of plants by pre-Neolithic groups in Syria."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_animals#Plants
Orange carrots did not exist prior to the seventeenth century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot
Likewise, in English culture, Robert Blakewell brought about a revolution in animal breeding, but the principles existed thousands of years earlier.

Darwin did not coin "Survival of the Fittest" and it is not in the first edition of his work (1859). Herbert Spencer was the first (1864).

You left out stepwise modifications, which relate directly to the then-hidden mechanisms of development and heredity.

You completely left out the ideas of common descent of populations with modification and abandonment of the great chain (or ladder) of being*. Not only are bananas our cousins, but they are just as "evolved" as us, as ordering on the timeline does not imply ordering in any virtue. And you neglect the nature of a scientific theory which is comprehensive, predictive and useful. Not only did Darwin propose the comprehensive theory, he brought together the observations and made predictions.

* Cuvier, 1812 if you want to be picky was a predecessor.
RobDegraves
In fact, the theory of evolution is much older than that. You could say it has evolved over the years but it's genesis is ancient.


Anaximander (610 BC to 546 BC aprox) believed that physical forces, not supernatural ones, ruled nature and the Universe and that life had begun in the ocean and had evolved into land dwelling creatures.

Titus Lucretius Carus, a Roman poet in about 50 BC, expounded on a Universe evolving by purely mechanistic means.

Al-Jahiz has already been mentioned.

Of course all of them also believed in a number of superstitions, but that isn't surprising given that they lived in an age where such things were undisputed.

TinyTree
I was not claiming that Lawrence invented all, or even any of these ideas. I am merely claiming that Lawrence stated these points in his book, which we know Darwin read. Therefore, Darwin did not invent these ideas.

I was not attempting to establish first order precedence on each concept, merely that an author before Darwin had. However, I do think it is interesting who established the thought first.

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Darwin did not coin "Survival of the Fittest" and it is not in the first edition of his work (1859). Herbert Spencer was the first (1864).


well then there is one less thing Darwin did. It doesn't help the thesis that Darwin did anything much.

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Darwin did not coin "Survival of the Fittest" and it is not in the first edition of his work (1859). Herbert Spencer was the first (1864).


well then there is one less thing Darwin did. It doesn't help the thesis that Darwin did anything much.


You left out stepwise modifications, which relate directly to the then-hidden mechanisms of development and heredity.


I am sure I left out some others- that is one of the goals of the post is to break the concepts of evolutionary theory into chunks, and then examine what, if any of the chunks Darwin brought to the table.

The great chain of being, with all organisms being tied together, I do believe was first from Darwin from what I have seen- I have not seen this in any earlier writing. This I do believe deserves credit. But this is hardly the same thing as inventing the entire theory of variation, selection, and success of fit individuals. All of these ideas were earlier.

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And you neglect the nature of a scientific theory which is comprehensive, predictive and useful.


No, I don't think Darwin invented this.. if I have a chance I will look through the earlier writers, but I believe they made predictions as well related to selection. Almost certain of it.

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And you neglect the nature of a scientific theory which is comprehensive, predictive and useful.


No, I don't think Darwin invented this.. if I have a chance I will look through the earlier writers, but I believe they made predictions as well related to selection. Almost certain of it.


Not only did Darwin propose the comprehensive theory, he brought together the observations and made predictions.


This is what I believe Darwin did do- he brought his observation of other species to the table, when the previous commentary was mainly constructed around the species others had observed. However, this is not inventing the theory of evolution. This is slightly expanding it.


rpenner
That's not the great chain of being.

The great chain (or ladder) of being held that each and every organism on the planet could be uniquely ordered from least to most "developed" with God holding the top end. For mid-nineteeth century racists, naturally Europeans occupied a higher rung than Asians or Africans. And not only was the ordering fixed, but ordained by God.

So that's totally demolished by Darwin.
skepticgriggsy




I thank you all for this information. Yes, Darwin and - Wallace should get the utmost credit with them being cited for insights.
This confirms that a very few people realized that natural causes rather than divine ones account for change, Oh, some might have thought that there God was the primary cause, but they would have been wrong. Natural causes are the sufficient reason. See arguments about Him on that.
I think that Queen Elizabeth should make him Sir Charles posthumously! And it is such a slur on him to call Spencer- Randism Social Darwinism [Herbert Spencer and Ayn Rand]!
Remember that it is the neo-synthetic theory, not Daarwinism, that we now have.
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