forgive them lord for they know what they do.
I know what it is that you do but I also know what it costs you.
You are going to have to do something for this information but I guarantee a greater understanding, and a higher purpose and state of mind.
If you only knew.
regards,
I'm Batman.
CHOP!
The religious terrorist strikes again.
He knows nothing.
RobDegraves
25th June 2009 - 03:54 PM
I just read the last two pages.
What the heck???
A succession of barely legible rambling insanity... is there a reason these idiots come to post here? I would think it's hard to type while wearing a straight jacket but obviously some of these guys can do it.
ToeQuestor
28th June 2009 - 07:51 PM
The Summary of the Disproofs of God
That Also Led to the Understanding of Everything
(the first two points are from me, the remainder from reading Victor Stenger)
Where shall we find, or not, the Supernatural—God? We would find it doing super things that are beyond the natural. If we look everywhere and only find the natural, then the disproof of God lives.
BELIEFS IN THE UNKNOWN ARE UNGROUNDED BELIEFS UPHELD. A belief is that construct that states we consider something as true. But considering and knowing are two different words. One implies holding something up as true, while the other stands on the ground as being true. Indeed, that is the ‘hold up’, for a belief hangs in the air, because it is upheld by the owner of the belief.
THE ETERNAL UNCAUSED MOVER Could not be a Mind, for it would be an already defined and very complex composite system. Thus, no God.
WHY IS THERE SOMETHING RATHER THAN NOTHING? Now what is it that is as simple as it gets? A ‘nothing’. Therefore, we cannot expect it to be very stable. Something is the more natural state of affairs and is thus much more likely than Nothing. So, God is not needed to create anything.
MASS AND MATTER ARE CREATED FROM ENERGY! The universe appeared from a state of zero energy, this being, of course, within the unavoidable and tiny quantum uncertainty. So, no miracle occurred.
THERE IS NO TIME-ZERO IMPRINT OF THE VERY HAND OF GOD! An expanding universe could have started in total chaos and still formed some localized order consistent with the 2nd law. At the Planck time, the disorder was complete; it was maximal. Thus the universe began with no structure. None. In fact it was chaos! There was no initial design built in to the universe at its beginning! There was no imprint left by a Creator.
BIBLICAL REVELATION IS UNREVEALING. Biblical prophecy is either vague, wrong, coincidence, a matter of ordinary prediction, or it can be more-simply explained as written after the fact. Humankind’s holy books are what one would expect if they were products of human culture.
IN THE ‘BEGINNING’… THERE WAS NO CAUSE! Physical events at the atomic and subatomic level are observed to have no evident cause. Every time we try to measure what an atom does, we get a different answer. This then is the answer. That realm is causeless.
QUANTUM CONSCIOUSNESS. Einstein did away with the aether, shattering the doctrine that we all move about inside a universal, cosmic fluid whose excitations connect us simultaneously to one another and to the rest of the universe. Second, Einstein and other physicists proved that matter and light were composed of particles, wiping away the notion of universal continuity.
ENLIGHTENMENT DEISM. In 1982 a definitive series of ‘EPR experiments’ with this configuration was carried out by Alain Aspect. The results agreed perfectly with conventional quantum mechanics and thus ruled out any subquantum theory with local hidden variables.
THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE ARE NATURAL. A principle of point-of-view invariance is equivalent to the principle of covariance when applied to space-time. These laws automatically appear in any model that does not single out a special moment in time, position in space, and direction in space. Back at the Planck time of the big bang, the universe had no distinguishable place, direction, or time: it had no structure; thus, the conservation laws apply.
OUR VALUES/LAWS/MORALS DO NOT COME FROM GOD AND/OR RELIGION. There are common ideals that arose during the gradual evolution of human societies, as they become more civilized, developed rational thinking processes, and discovered how to live together in greater harmony. Human and societal behaviors look just as they can be expected to look if there is no God.
THERE WAS NO FINE-TUNING OF THE UNIVERSE. For fine-tuning, only ‘dimensionless’ numbers that do not depend on the system of units are meaningful. The Fine Structure ‘Constant, ‘a’, is not even a constant. There can still be long-lived stars if we vary the parameters and certainly the universe is not fine-tuned for this characteristic. The 7.65 million electron-volts needed for Carbon to form actually hinges on the radioactive state of a carbon nucleus formed out of three helium nuclei, which has over a 20% range to work with without being too high. The vacuum energy of the universe is not fine-tuned, for the large value of N1 is simply an artifact of the use of small masses in making the comparison. The Expansion Rate of the Universe in not fine-tuned since the universe appeared from an earlier state of zero energy; thus, energy conservation would require the exact expansion rate that is observed. Same for the Mass Density of the Universe. Looks the same as if there were no God.
THE VILE ARGUMENT FROM EVIL becomes that we rely on our own human instincts, these taking precedence over confusing divine commands, for these commands offend both our common sense and our reason. Observations of human and animal suffering look just as they can be expected to look if there is no God.
All in all, we have found only the natural. There is no fingerprint of the Supernatural. None at all. ‘God’ is dead.
We have:
0 proofs of the supernatural;
Many disproofs of the supernatural;
Which led us to
Many proofs of the natural, which helped define the SuperToe of the causeless origin; and
0 disproofs of the natural.
gmilam
29th June 2009 - 02:30 PM
Roger! How the hell are ya? Man, I haven't seen you since that time in Topeka... Remember that?
Anyway, say hello to Jessica for me.
Large Tree
5th September 2009 - 01:24 PM
I do remember a study that suggested religious people are more likely to be hit by cars. Apparently they don't look both ways when they cross the road, because they think god will protect them.
It just helps you have a positive attitude if you think you'll be ok. That gives you endorphins and stuff, and makes you slightly healthier overall.