QUOTE (Masked Marauder+Oct 9 2008, 01:31 PM)
Sorry dude, but seeing god during a bout with Grand Tursimo is too much of a stretch even for me... but, whatever floats your boat.. Just remember to lay low on the drugs.
MM
I know. Its a lot to believe. You cant get bigger than this but I guarantee you that its true, personally and on my life. Whatever thats worth.
A heroic dose or no dose at all.
MM
I know. Its a lot to believe. You cant get bigger than this but I guarantee you that its true, personally and on my life. Whatever thats worth.
A heroic dose or no dose at all.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 10 2008, 11:49 PM)
As I wrote in the thread, the code now finished, just is. The light also, just is. The light is self aware and conscious. As the light is perfect, it's all the same so if one piece is conscious, all of it is conscious. The light is alive, so there is only life, nowhere is there nothing. As for the energy, it would be impossible to relate the power with words.
As I mentioned earlier, the light is one state, but the mind behind it is not. I think these cycles you are referring to, are circumstances that represent this mind at its most real.
'what goes up must come down and in the end you always get what you earn.'
All of the time and expense my daughter put into furnishing and stocking her fish aquarium, when all she really needed was the aquarium light to have an exhibition of life.
As I mentioned earlier, the light is one state, but the mind behind it is not. I think these cycles you are referring to, are circumstances that represent this mind at its most real.
'what goes up must come down and in the end you always get what you earn.'
All of the time and expense my daughter put into furnishing and stocking her fish aquarium, when all she really needed was the aquarium light to have an exhibition of life.
proycon
not funny. not useful. not constructive. not smart. not nothing.
Why bother?
not funny. not useful. not constructive. not smart. not nothing.
Why bother?
QUOTE (Sinister Utopia+Oct 7 2008, 01:01 AM)
Only 3rd? (imo) You're way too modest.
But just saying it is pointless without evidence, No one except an idiot would believe you. Perhaps you are fishing for an idiot? Or perhaps you would just like to feel important, oh sorry 3rd most important of all time? I think you just want someone to talk too but you don't feel that you are worthy of attention when you are being honest about yourself.
Well why are you here and not in Japan or where ever, getting the proof for the 'slow fat majority' (spoken like someone who has seen god). Instead here you are trolling Physorg.
Yeah, I hear ya.
Oddly this is probably your most ridiculous claim.
Well I've fed you enough for one night. Good luck
Sigh, no you will not. Good night.
Consider what I'm saying. Now go so far as to consider that I'm telling the truth. Now add some logic. 'In your face Galileo'
I am relating this because I have to, not because I want to. I dont particularly want to talk to anyone one the internet but its the quickest way to inform everybody you can about something.
I'm not trolling. I'm telling the truth and making sure that people know where it is and how to get it. People's minds have a lot of trouble with this information. They automatically say that its spam because they cant deal with it.
I'm 'trolling' all the sites I can. Trolling the truth isnt trolling.
I'm not looking for attention. Its an occupational hazard. If you saw what I saw would you tell people?
You dont believe me. Your doing nothing but providing negative commentary. Try putting this energy into a strongly worded letter addressed to the thieves in this situation. It would accomplish something.
I must admit I am getting carried away on the internet. Its something like Isaac Newton, hungoverand psychotic and with good reason. I'm a *** but I'm right.
Everybody who I've told in person took it pretty well and they are all relatively open minded awaiting the publication of this proof. Those who observed me testing at various times, do believe me.
Take your time.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 11 2008, 12:58 AM)
proycon
not funny. not useful. not constructive. not smart. not nothing.
Why bother?
Take away the not funny and you've just outlined your whole original premise
not funny. not useful. not constructive. not smart. not nothing.
Why bother?
Take away the not funny and you've just outlined your whole original premise
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 11 2008, 01:12 AM)
Consider what I'm saying. Now go so far as to consider that I'm telling the truth. Now add some logic. 'In your face Galileo'
I am relating this because I have to, not because I want to. I dont particularly want to talk to anyone one the internet but its the quickest way to inform everybody you can about something.
I'm not trolling. I'm telling the truth and making sure that people know where it is and how to get it. People's minds have a lot of trouble with this information. They automatically say that its spam because they cant deal with it.
I'm 'trolling' all the sites I can. Trolling the truth isnt trolling.
I'm not looking for attention. Its an occupational hazard. If you saw what I saw would you tell people?
You dont believe me. Your doing nothing but providing negative commentary. Try putting this energy into a strongly worded letter addressed to the thieves in this situation. It would accomplish something.
I must admit I am getting carried away on the internet. Its something like Isaac Newton, hungoverand psychotic and with good reason. I'm a *** but I'm right.
Everybody who I've told in person took it pretty well and they are all relatively open minded awaiting the publication of this proof. Those who observed me testing at various times, do believe me.
Take your time.
What you are not grasping is that I absolutely consider that you are telling the truth. I grant this courtesy to ALL. All that is required is sufficient evidence to back up any claims made. You would ask no less of me if I claimed that whilst playing Pro Evolution Soccer I was magically beamed on to the pitch and scored a Hat-trick. There was the whole of Konami watching but due to concerns with public safety they have stolen the footage and silenced all employees.
Write to them if don't believe me. I'm telling the truth.
It's not that hard to write nonsense on a forum.
It's childsplay
I am relating this because I have to, not because I want to. I dont particularly want to talk to anyone one the internet but its the quickest way to inform everybody you can about something.
I'm not trolling. I'm telling the truth and making sure that people know where it is and how to get it. People's minds have a lot of trouble with this information. They automatically say that its spam because they cant deal with it.
I'm 'trolling' all the sites I can. Trolling the truth isnt trolling.
I'm not looking for attention. Its an occupational hazard. If you saw what I saw would you tell people?
You dont believe me. Your doing nothing but providing negative commentary. Try putting this energy into a strongly worded letter addressed to the thieves in this situation. It would accomplish something.
I must admit I am getting carried away on the internet. Its something like Isaac Newton, hungoverand psychotic and with good reason. I'm a *** but I'm right.
Everybody who I've told in person took it pretty well and they are all relatively open minded awaiting the publication of this proof. Those who observed me testing at various times, do believe me.
Take your time.
What you are not grasping is that I absolutely consider that you are telling the truth. I grant this courtesy to ALL. All that is required is sufficient evidence to back up any claims made. You would ask no less of me if I claimed that whilst playing Pro Evolution Soccer I was magically beamed on to the pitch and scored a Hat-trick. There was the whole of Konami watching but due to concerns with public safety they have stolen the footage and silenced all employees.
Write to them if don't believe me. I'm telling the truth.
It's not that hard to write nonsense on a forum.
It's childsplay
QUOTE (procyon+Oct 11 2008, 02:17 AM)
Take away the not funny and you've just outlined your whole original premise
the difference is that I'm telling the truth
the difference is that I'm telling the truth
QUOTE (Fairy+Oct 11 2008, 07:02 AM)
yeh but it aint funny
its not meant to be you fairy
its not meant to be you fairy
QUOTE (Sinister Utopia+Oct 11 2008, 07:46 AM)
What you are not grasping is that I absolutely consider that you are telling the truth. I grant this courtesy to ALL. All that is required is sufficient evidence to back up any claims made. You would ask no less of me if I claimed that whilst playing Pro Evolution Soccer I was magically beamed on to the pitch and scored a Hat-trick. There was the whole of Konami watching but due to concerns with public safety they have stolen the footage and silenced all employees.
Write to them if don't believe me. I'm telling the truth.
It's not that hard to write nonsense on a forum.
It's childsplay
I am doing every thing I can to get this proof. If the majority of people helped me, to help themselves, the proof would be shown right away. The majority has that ability.
I have no proof because I didnt sign a contract before I brought the code to C. After that time, I kept going so I could get some sort of answers about what had happened at C and who the person sitting own was.
Forget about video games. Think about mathematics and the stuff that goes into making them.
you are making a fair point. its hard to believe but it really was down to one single decision at C. Everything up until that point was normal for testing a physics engine.
its childsplay.
Write to them if don't believe me. I'm telling the truth.
It's not that hard to write nonsense on a forum.
It's childsplay
I am doing every thing I can to get this proof. If the majority of people helped me, to help themselves, the proof would be shown right away. The majority has that ability.
I have no proof because I didnt sign a contract before I brought the code to C. After that time, I kept going so I could get some sort of answers about what had happened at C and who the person sitting own was.
Forget about video games. Think about mathematics and the stuff that goes into making them.
you are making a fair point. its hard to believe but it really was down to one single decision at C. Everything up until that point was normal for testing a physics engine.
its childsplay.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 12 2008, 05:23 PM)
its not meant to be you fairy
Is that like th australia war medal of honor DSO
Doodle Shot Off lol
I have seen many australian war veteras walking like donald duck lol
They wardle along because they are War Dills with their doodleses shot off but thyey have Meh-dill s!!!! (DSO) doodle shot off lol
Is that like th australia war medal of honor DSO
Doodle Shot Off lol
I have seen many australian war veteras walking like donald duck lol
They wardle along because they are War Dills with their doodleses shot off but thyey have Meh-dill s!!!! (DSO) doodle shot off lol
QUOTE (eyeque+Oct 12 2008, 05:37 PM)
Is that like th australia war medal of honor DSO
Doodle Shot Off lol
I have seen many australian war veteras walking like donald duck lol
They wardle along because they are War Dills with their doodleses shot off but thyey have Meh-dill s!!!! (DSO) doodle shot off lol
WHAT?
Doodle Shot Off lol
I have seen many australian war veteras walking like donald duck lol
They wardle along because they are War Dills with their doodleses shot off but thyey have Meh-dill s!!!! (DSO) doodle shot off lol
WHAT?
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 12 2008, 05:52 PM)
WHAT?
wonderchild, you belong in a nudist colony, what the f-uck are you posting about?
wonderchild, you belong in a nudist colony, what the f-uck are you posting about?
QUOTE (eyeque+Oct 12 2008, 06:20 PM)
wonderchild, you belong in a nudist colony, what the f-uck are you posting about?
the truth you monkey
the truth you monkey
General Information
Entity Name: Polyphony Digital Inc.
Established: April 2nd 1998
Location: Tobu Toyosu Bldg 2F., 1-10-19 Edagawa, Koto-ku, Tokyo 135-0051 Japan
Capital: 10 Million Yen
Employees: Approx. 110
Business Description: Planning and development of game software, and operation of surrounding services
Representative: President Kazunori Yamauchi
Board Members: Kazunori Yamauchi Representative Director
Kaz Hirai Director
Masaru Kato Director
Shuhei Yoshida Director
Kiyoshi Akutsu Auditor
These people are stealing from you. The quicker you take a chance, the quicker you realise this.
Entity Name: Polyphony Digital Inc.
Established: April 2nd 1998
Location: Tobu Toyosu Bldg 2F., 1-10-19 Edagawa, Koto-ku, Tokyo 135-0051 Japan
Capital: 10 Million Yen
Employees: Approx. 110
Business Description: Planning and development of game software, and operation of surrounding services
Representative: President Kazunori Yamauchi
Board Members: Kazunori Yamauchi Representative Director
Kaz Hirai Director
Masaru Kato Director
Shuhei Yoshida Director
Kiyoshi Akutsu Auditor
These people are stealing from you. The quicker you take a chance, the quicker you realise this.
Also, I am going to continue saying this indefinately. I will not change any detail. The only constructive thing that can happen is that people take a chance, and be greatly rewarded for it. That result has nothing to do with me. That opportunity is sitting there.
Hypthetically speaking, consider all of this is true. Consider that this progess and proof exists. Now consider that this soulless corporation is stealing this information from you the people. This information is information that God himself left in the universe and the laws of physics for you the people.
Its like he signed the moon.
Forget about the thread operator. I'm incoherent because relatiing this information (even with the proof) is the kind of thing that would unsettle you. Not including 1 year of kazonoru yamauchi and his employees, 4 months of stephen hawking, his issues and 4 months string theory and so on. My apologies for my incoherency but there is good *** reason.
Hypthetically speaking, consider all of this is true. Consider that this progess and proof exists. Now consider that this soulless corporation is stealing this information from you the people. This information is information that God himself left in the universe and the laws of physics for you the people.
Its like he signed the moon.
Forget about the thread operator. I'm incoherent because relatiing this information (even with the proof) is the kind of thing that would unsettle you. Not including 1 year of kazonoru yamauchi and his employees, 4 months of stephen hawking, his issues and 4 months string theory and so on. My apologies for my incoherency but there is good *** reason.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 12 2008, 07:12 PM)
My apologies for my incoherency but there is good *** reason.
Yeah.. you're a FUCKTARD!
Yeah.. you're a FUCKTARD!
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 12 2008, 08:47 PM)
Yeah.. you're a FUCKTARD!
Ya but I'm right. You monkey.
By the way. Is this your first contribution on this thread?
Why didnt you try adding something constructive first?
Do something you peon.
Ya but I'm right. You monkey.
By the way. Is this your first contribution on this thread?
Why didnt you try adding something constructive first?
Do something you peon.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 12 2008, 10:05 PM)
Ya but I'm right. You monkey.
By the way. Is this your first contribution on this thread?
Why didnt you try adding something constructive first?
Do something you peon.
Because there's no POSSIBLE way to add ANYTHING constructive to your PATHETIC drivel?
You offer NO testable hypothesis, no REPRODUCIBLE experiment, and no meaningful CONCLUSIONS, only some blather about CODE running at the SPEED of LIGHT, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean... and then you make some BIZARRE associations between inertia and GOD, claiming that your probably DRUG-INDUCED experience is in some way PROOF of god?
What a load of Bull5#!T.
By the way. Is this your first contribution on this thread?
Why didnt you try adding something constructive first?
Do something you peon.
Because there's no POSSIBLE way to add ANYTHING constructive to your PATHETIC drivel?
You offer NO testable hypothesis, no REPRODUCIBLE experiment, and no meaningful CONCLUSIONS, only some blather about CODE running at the SPEED of LIGHT, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean... and then you make some BIZARRE associations between inertia and GOD, claiming that your probably DRUG-INDUCED experience is in some way PROOF of god?
What a load of Bull5#!T.
I would much rather read what voodoochile has to tell, than the inane and often unecessarily vile retorts of people like you and eyeque. He gives us reason to consider possibilities (which abound in life) and you only give us various reasons to want to turn off our computers, and do something else with our time, which is somewhat valuable to us... now, considering this...which do you think is better?
Just because you can't wrap your heads around a concept, does not mean it has no validity. His unique and extraorinary journey, his life...is not a museum for you to explore, and bash at this masterpiece, or that one, destroying them...it is his life/experience...and if he has invited you into a hall, and is trying to show you a bit of his database of experience....what right have you to pull out your spray cans and post insane grafitti all over that hallway? To some of us, the life of a human, is akin to a museum filled with artworks.
But if you want to reduce your lives to mere grafitti, in the name of protecting something that never asked that you protect it...well...some of us will begin to read you less and less...and we find your grafitti less and less appealing. His life experience is interesting...your needless protection of the scientific model, is basically spray painted vandalism. Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. But you guys are just ridiculous.
Just because you can't wrap your heads around a concept, does not mean it has no validity. His unique and extraorinary journey, his life...is not a museum for you to explore, and bash at this masterpiece, or that one, destroying them...it is his life/experience...and if he has invited you into a hall, and is trying to show you a bit of his database of experience....what right have you to pull out your spray cans and post insane grafitti all over that hallway? To some of us, the life of a human, is akin to a museum filled with artworks.
But if you want to reduce your lives to mere grafitti, in the name of protecting something that never asked that you protect it...well...some of us will begin to read you less and less...and we find your grafitti less and less appealing. His life experience is interesting...your needless protection of the scientific model, is basically spray painted vandalism. Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. But you guys are just ridiculous.
tikay
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage. What does it even mean to say that code runs at the speed of light??? I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions. His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible. This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
Grumpy
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage. What does it even mean to say that code runs at the speed of light??? I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions. His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible. This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
Grumpy
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 13 2008, 01:59 AM)
Just because you can't wrap your heads around a concept, does not mean it has no validity.
True, there are PLENTY of concepts I can't wrap my head around, Lorentzian contraction being one of them. But I CAN wrap my head around what this IDIOT is saying, and it is NONSENSE, pure and simple.
True, there are PLENTY of concepts I can't wrap my head around, Lorentzian contraction being one of them. But I CAN wrap my head around what this IDIOT is saying, and it is NONSENSE, pure and simple.
QUOTE (tikay+)
His unique and extraorinary journey, his life...is not a museum for you to explore, and bash at this masterpiece, or that one, destroying them...it is his life/experience
I'm glad for him that he had an EXPERIENCE that was meaningful TO HIM. I object, however, to his EXPECTATION that it be treated as SCIENCE.
what a TRIP! He hasn't INVITED me into a hall, he has INTRUDED on the halls of science, insisting that his BLATHER be accepted as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! In effect, he has submitted his DELUDED RAMBLINGS for peer review, and (although I realize this lowers us to his level by admitting to be his peers) we have REVIEWED it and found it to be full of S#!T.
what a TRIP! He hasn't INVITED me into a hall, he has INTRUDED on the halls of science, insisting that his BLATHER be accepted as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! In effect, he has submitted his DELUDED RAMBLINGS for peer review, and (although I realize this lowers us to his level by admitting to be his peers) we have REVIEWED it and found it to be full of S#!T.
Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...
Here's good questions and an interesting statement:
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
It's a SCIENCE FORUM, not an ART MUSEUM. Protection of the SCIENTIFIC MODEL IS PARAMOUNT.
It's a SCIENCE FORUM, not an ART MUSEUM. Protection of the SCIENTIFIC MODEL IS PARAMOUNT.
But you guys are just ridiculous.
Right back atcha.
I'm glad for him that he had an EXPERIENCE that was meaningful TO HIM. I object, however, to his EXPECTATION that it be treated as SCIENCE.
QUOTE
...and if he has invited you into a hall, and is trying to show you a bit of his database of experience....what right have you to pull out your spray cans and post insane grafitti all over that hallway?
what a TRIP! He hasn't INVITED me into a hall, he has INTRUDED on the halls of science, insisting that his BLATHER be accepted as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! In effect, he has submitted his DELUDED RAMBLINGS for peer review, and (although I realize this lowers us to his level by admitting to be his peers) we have REVIEWED it and found it to be full of S#!T.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| ...and if he has invited you into a hall, and is trying to show you a bit of his database of experience....what right have you to pull out your spray cans and post insane grafitti all over that hallway? |
what a TRIP! He hasn't INVITED me into a hall, he has INTRUDED on the halls of science, insisting that his BLATHER be accepted as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! In effect, he has submitted his DELUDED RAMBLINGS for peer review, and (although I realize this lowers us to his level by admitting to be his peers) we have REVIEWED it and found it to be full of S#!T.
Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...
Here's good questions and an interesting statement:
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
QUOTE
your needless protection of the scientific model
It's a SCIENCE FORUM, not an ART MUSEUM. Protection of the SCIENTIFIC MODEL IS PARAMOUNT.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| your needless protection of the scientific model |
It's a SCIENCE FORUM, not an ART MUSEUM. Protection of the SCIENTIFIC MODEL IS PARAMOUNT.
But you guys are just ridiculous.
Right back atcha.
That is probably the most coherent post that I have ever received from you Argyll ...interesting and refreshing to see that you have it in you.
If you were really here to set things right, you would probably go round shouting FUCTARD less and disputing the facts more. This is my point. I doubt that any scientist would call you HIS peer or want you representing him on this forum or any other. You have no respect for people and an avid need to boost your own ego at the expense of others. no real "man of science" would want to be seen with you...of this I am fairly certain.
If this is how you wanted to approach the subject:
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
No one was stopping you, and that would be civilized and acceptable, to a science forum. Most of what you post, can be categorized as vandalism to the thread. I think you realize this.
If you were really here to set things right, you would probably go round shouting FUCTARD less and disputing the facts more. This is my point. I doubt that any scientist would call you HIS peer or want you representing him on this forum or any other. You have no respect for people and an avid need to boost your own ego at the expense of others. no real "man of science" would want to be seen with you...of this I am fairly certain.
If this is how you wanted to approach the subject:
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
No one was stopping you, and that would be civilized and acceptable, to a science forum. Most of what you post, can be categorized as vandalism to the thread. I think you realize this.
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 12 2008, 06:39 PM)
tikay
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage. What does it even mean to say that code runs at the speed of light??? I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions. His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible. This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
Grumpy
What voodoochile has represented in this forum is something that appears to be very real to HIM. Why must everyone judge the next persons experiences as unacceptable or acceptable? Why not try to understand where he is coming from and what he is trying to portray as his experiential paradigm? What he went through was obviously odd....and possibly akin to a hallucination, or a sort of parallel world experience, or to entanglement...or to time travel.
Why is it not interesting to you? Because he doesn't fit, the experience does not fit into some neat little box? If all my experiences do not fit for people either, and maybe that is why I am quite open to his story. But just because folks have not been privy to such odd experiences does not mean that nothing has occurred to be interested in.
Paranormal occurrences are becoming more and more available (as information) to people these days, there is a lot more attention and exploration being given to the paranormal...to psychics, to hauntings, and to things formerly laughed at in scientific circles. Where is the scale of what is unacceptable to bring here as a possible interest to people studying or working in fields of scientific knowledge?
I cannot answer the questions you pose...but I can understand that something happened to this man that was otherworldly and excited him and made him wish to share the information, and there is nothing wrong with bringing it here, with a willingness to be picked at and pulled apart by those who would be interested.
But to be picked at and pulled apart by the disinterested, is not something I would wish on anyone. If disinterested...why don't people just move on to the next topic?
Why do so many feel compelled to make a mockery of others? I guess that my experiences, lead me to want to protect those who have experiences of similar things.
A question for those who have known and felt love, and hence believe it exists...can love be proved by Science?
And yet so many accept LOVE as something tangible...
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage. What does it even mean to say that code runs at the speed of light??? I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions. His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible. This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
Grumpy
What voodoochile has represented in this forum is something that appears to be very real to HIM. Why must everyone judge the next persons experiences as unacceptable or acceptable? Why not try to understand where he is coming from and what he is trying to portray as his experiential paradigm? What he went through was obviously odd....and possibly akin to a hallucination, or a sort of parallel world experience, or to entanglement...or to time travel.
Why is it not interesting to you? Because he doesn't fit, the experience does not fit into some neat little box? If all my experiences do not fit for people either, and maybe that is why I am quite open to his story. But just because folks have not been privy to such odd experiences does not mean that nothing has occurred to be interested in.
Paranormal occurrences are becoming more and more available (as information) to people these days, there is a lot more attention and exploration being given to the paranormal...to psychics, to hauntings, and to things formerly laughed at in scientific circles. Where is the scale of what is unacceptable to bring here as a possible interest to people studying or working in fields of scientific knowledge?
I cannot answer the questions you pose...but I can understand that something happened to this man that was otherworldly and excited him and made him wish to share the information, and there is nothing wrong with bringing it here, with a willingness to be picked at and pulled apart by those who would be interested.
But to be picked at and pulled apart by the disinterested, is not something I would wish on anyone. If disinterested...why don't people just move on to the next topic?
Why do so many feel compelled to make a mockery of others? I guess that my experiences, lead me to want to protect those who have experiences of similar things.
A question for those who have known and felt love, and hence believe it exists...can love be proved by Science?
And yet so many accept LOVE as something tangible...
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 13 2008, 06:20 PM)
You have no respect for people and an avid need to boost your own ego at the expense of others.
Actually, no. What I have is a need for an outlet for my frustration at idiots that are willing to be deluded by their own fantasies, willing to ignore the scientific method and the basic tenets of scientific research in favor of their delusions, and who think it's AOK to push their delusions on everyone else... and especially those who think their delusions deserve the respect of the scientific community even as they show their blatant disrespect for that same community!
I have a great deal of respect for anyone who admits their ignorance and shows a willingness to learn, even if they continue to challenge the conclusions already accepted by the scientific community. I have a great deal of respect for those who show patience in dealing with these idiots, as clearly I do not have that patience. I have a great deal of respect for those who have put the time and effort into the mastery of their fields.
I do not have respect for those who I described in my first paragraph, people like the OP who believe that the drivel they post is scientifically valid and deserving of respect.
My own ego be damned, if I wanted glory I would be devoting more of my time to the mastery of some subject in hopes of advancing the state of our knowledge and technology.
Actually, no. What I have is a need for an outlet for my frustration at idiots that are willing to be deluded by their own fantasies, willing to ignore the scientific method and the basic tenets of scientific research in favor of their delusions, and who think it's AOK to push their delusions on everyone else... and especially those who think their delusions deserve the respect of the scientific community even as they show their blatant disrespect for that same community!
I have a great deal of respect for anyone who admits their ignorance and shows a willingness to learn, even if they continue to challenge the conclusions already accepted by the scientific community. I have a great deal of respect for those who show patience in dealing with these idiots, as clearly I do not have that patience. I have a great deal of respect for those who have put the time and effort into the mastery of their fields.
I do not have respect for those who I described in my first paragraph, people like the OP who believe that the drivel they post is scientifically valid and deserving of respect.
My own ego be damned, if I wanted glory I would be devoting more of my time to the mastery of some subject in hopes of advancing the state of our knowledge and technology.
QUOTE (tikay+)
I doubt that any scientist would call you HIS peer or want you representing him on this forum or any other.
I am not trying to represent any scientist. I am not trying to be a peer. I am simply trying to highlight stupidity, especially aggressive stupidity, wherever I may see it. And I see a LOT in this thread, especially from the OP.
I am not trying to represent any scientist. I am not trying to be a peer. I am simply trying to highlight stupidity, especially aggressive stupidity, wherever I may see it. And I see a LOT in this thread, especially from the OP.
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 13 2008, 01:25 AM)
Because there's no POSSIBLE way to add ANYTHING constructive to your PATHETIC drivel?
You offer NO testable hypothesis, no REPRODUCIBLE experiment, and no meaningful CONCLUSIONS, only some blather about CODE running at the SPEED of LIGHT, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean... and then you make some BIZARRE associations between inertia and GOD, claiming that your probably DRUG-INDUCED experience is in some way PROOF of god?
What a load of Bull5#!T.
You offer NO testable hypothesis-because I was robbed.
no REPRODUCIBLE experiment, and no meaningful CONCLUSIONS- No meaningful conclusions????? There is a God. He is eternal light. The light is the 5th dimension. There is no such thing as death. You know God and you agreed to be here but you've had your memories taken away so you he can see what kind of person you are, left to your own devices. Jesus was telling the truth about everything.
only some blather about CODE running at the SPEED of LIGHT,- I'm not inspired by writing or communicating on the internet in general. I did my best to describe everything given my lack of writing skills. I have a feeling that you understand everything, its just hard for your mind to digest. Thats OK, its the biggest and most important truth ever told (as badly as that may be). Take your time little one.
and then you make some BIZARRE associations between inertia and GOD. - All it took was one movement at C to make it happen. No machine or man, or anything conscious, has ever travelled at C before this. Thats why you have never heard anything like this before. I did, and the fabric of space-time dissappeared. What was behind the fabric of space-time? Infinite, perfect light. How can I say the light was infinite and alive? because it showed me through a series of actions which I will explain fully later.
claiming that your probably DRUG-INDUCED experience is in some way PROOF of god? just out of curiosity, what drug would send you on a trip like that?
ITS NOT BULLSHIT. You are genuinely afraid to consider this to be true. Fair enough really, I was all over the place for about 6 months trying to come to terms with it and then come to terms with being robbed of the proof, and then come to terms with having to tell you fuckers about it without the proof. Your fear is understandable. Did you notice I dont have any?
You offer NO testable hypothesis, no REPRODUCIBLE experiment, and no meaningful CONCLUSIONS, only some blather about CODE running at the SPEED of LIGHT, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean... and then you make some BIZARRE associations between inertia and GOD, claiming that your probably DRUG-INDUCED experience is in some way PROOF of god?
What a load of Bull5#!T.
You offer NO testable hypothesis-because I was robbed.
no REPRODUCIBLE experiment, and no meaningful CONCLUSIONS- No meaningful conclusions????? There is a God. He is eternal light. The light is the 5th dimension. There is no such thing as death. You know God and you agreed to be here but you've had your memories taken away so you he can see what kind of person you are, left to your own devices. Jesus was telling the truth about everything.
only some blather about CODE running at the SPEED of LIGHT,- I'm not inspired by writing or communicating on the internet in general. I did my best to describe everything given my lack of writing skills. I have a feeling that you understand everything, its just hard for your mind to digest. Thats OK, its the biggest and most important truth ever told (as badly as that may be). Take your time little one.
and then you make some BIZARRE associations between inertia and GOD. - All it took was one movement at C to make it happen. No machine or man, or anything conscious, has ever travelled at C before this. Thats why you have never heard anything like this before. I did, and the fabric of space-time dissappeared. What was behind the fabric of space-time? Infinite, perfect light. How can I say the light was infinite and alive? because it showed me through a series of actions which I will explain fully later.
claiming that your probably DRUG-INDUCED experience is in some way PROOF of god? just out of curiosity, what drug would send you on a trip like that?
ITS NOT BULLSHIT. You are genuinely afraid to consider this to be true. Fair enough really, I was all over the place for about 6 months trying to come to terms with it and then come to terms with being robbed of the proof, and then come to terms with having to tell you fuckers about it without the proof. Your fear is understandable. Did you notice I dont have any?
If you physically moved at the speed of light - then you can still do it. What do you need the software for?
What kind of drug can send you on a trip like that? I'll tell you something that can and it's perfectly natural... Sleep deprivation. Which is what I suspect you experienced. I deduce that from your posts as Tickets where you mentioned days of testing, hours of no rest, etc...
What kind of drug can send you on a trip like that? I'll tell you something that can and it's perfectly natural... Sleep deprivation. Which is what I suspect you experienced. I deduce that from your posts as Tickets where you mentioned days of testing, hours of no rest, etc...
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 13 2008, 01:59 AM)
I would much rather read what voodoochile has to tell, than the inane and often unecessarily vile retorts of people like you and eyeque. He gives us reason to consider possibilities (which abound in life) and you only give us various reasons to want to turn off our computers, and do something else with our time, which is somewhat valuable to us... now, considering this...which do you think is better?
Just because you can't wrap your heads around a concept, does not mean it has no validity. His unique and extraorinary journey, his life...is not a museum for you to explore, and bash at this masterpiece, or that one, destroying them...it is his life/experience...and if he has invited you into a hall, and is trying to show you a bit of his database of experience....what right have you to pull out your spray cans and post insane grafitti all over that hallway? To some of us, the life of a human, is akin to a museum filled with artworks.
But if you want to reduce your lives to mere grafitti, in the name of protecting something that never asked that you protect it...well...some of us will begin to read you less and less...and we find your grafitti less and less appealing. His life experience is interesting...your needless protection of the scientific model, is basically spray painted vandalism. Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. But you guys are just ridiculous.
That was like a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
Ayrton Senna once said, when you win, or are the focus of attention, people take notice. They see every detail and they pass comments. The majority criticise you in a negative way. I have observed this to completely true but I am not accepting it for a second.
You are completely right in what you wrote and I respect and appreciate your attitude.
I would also like to apologise for my attitude but the stress and seriousness of these circumstances is a lot to bare.
Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. - Thats what I've been saying for 6 months!
Thanks again and from me to you (*** the rest) its the truth. respect.
(Do you know an open minded lawyer who works cheap?)
Just because you can't wrap your heads around a concept, does not mean it has no validity. His unique and extraorinary journey, his life...is not a museum for you to explore, and bash at this masterpiece, or that one, destroying them...it is his life/experience...and if he has invited you into a hall, and is trying to show you a bit of his database of experience....what right have you to pull out your spray cans and post insane grafitti all over that hallway? To some of us, the life of a human, is akin to a museum filled with artworks.
But if you want to reduce your lives to mere grafitti, in the name of protecting something that never asked that you protect it...well...some of us will begin to read you less and less...and we find your grafitti less and less appealing. His life experience is interesting...your needless protection of the scientific model, is basically spray painted vandalism. Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. But you guys are just ridiculous.
That was like a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
Ayrton Senna once said, when you win, or are the focus of attention, people take notice. They see every detail and they pass comments. The majority criticise you in a negative way. I have observed this to completely true but I am not accepting it for a second.
You are completely right in what you wrote and I respect and appreciate your attitude.
I would also like to apologise for my attitude but the stress and seriousness of these circumstances is a lot to bare.
Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. - Thats what I've been saying for 6 months!
Thanks again and from me to you (*** the rest) its the truth. respect.
(Do you know an open minded lawyer who works cheap?)
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 13 2008, 02:39 AM)
tikay
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage. What does it even mean to say that code runs at the speed of light??? I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions. His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible. This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
Grumpy
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage.
How can you be so sure?
I did my best to describe how the 'code/mathematical system' travelled. If you have any questions, please ask. I will answer anything.
I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions.
I am not gaining anything from this. I am treating this like a job. Over a year ago I did not believe in anything. I'm a scepetic who will only believe something when I see it. I've seen it and you can too. You just have to do something about it.
His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
No delusions. The real of information of any value is in Japan, owned by kazonori yamauchi. He is a real person who exists. This is the plot that keeps on thickening. The problem right now, and the whole way through this process, is this sad old fool.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible.
Tell me about it. Anything is possible. He created a reality in which anything is possible but everything has to be earned. I proved that and I proved that there are no limits.
This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
You need to read tikays post. Not for me, like the boycott, but for your own good.
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage. What does it even mean to say that code runs at the speed of light??? I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions. His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible. This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
Grumpy
I'm sorry, but what voodoochile has related is absolute garbage.
How can you be so sure?
I did my best to describe how the 'code/mathematical system' travelled. If you have any questions, please ask. I will answer anything.
I do not know what his intentions are, but there is nothing to be gained or learned by encouraging his obvious delusions.
I am not gaining anything from this. I am treating this like a job. Over a year ago I did not believe in anything. I'm a scepetic who will only believe something when I see it. I've seen it and you can too. You just have to do something about it.
His conclusions based on those delusions are null and void of real information of any value.
No delusions. The real of information of any value is in Japan, owned by kazonori yamauchi. He is a real person who exists. This is the plot that keeps on thickening. The problem right now, and the whole way through this process, is this sad old fool.
There is such a thing as "reality". It is all of the amazing things that ARE possible.
Tell me about it. Anything is possible. He created a reality in which anything is possible but everything has to be earned. I proved that and I proved that there are no limits.
This gibberish is not to be found within that reality. Try to learn to distinguish the real from the unreal.
You need to read tikays post. Not for me, like the boycott, but for your own good.
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 13 2008, 01:24 PM)
True, there are PLENTY of concepts I can't wrap my head around, Lorentzian contraction being one of them. But I CAN wrap my head around what this IDIOT is saying, and it is NONSENSE, pure and simple.
what a TRIP! He hasn't INVITED me into a hall, he has INTRUDED on the halls of science, insisting that his BLATHER be accepted as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! In effect, he has submitted his DELUDED RAMBLINGS for peer review, and (although I realize this lowers us to his level by admitting to be his peers) we have REVIEWED it and found it to be full of S#!T.
Here's good questions and an interesting statement:
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
It's a SCIENCE FORUM, not an ART MUSEUM. Protection of the SCIENTIFIC MODEL IS PARAMOUNT.
Right back atcha.
I love you
what a TRIP! He hasn't INVITED me into a hall, he has INTRUDED on the halls of science, insisting that his BLATHER be accepted as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! In effect, he has submitted his DELUDED RAMBLINGS for peer review, and (although I realize this lowers us to his level by admitting to be his peers) we have REVIEWED it and found it to be full of S#!T.
Here's good questions and an interesting statement:
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
It's a SCIENCE FORUM, not an ART MUSEUM. Protection of the SCIENTIFIC MODEL IS PARAMOUNT.
Right back atcha.
I love you
Tikay
I have said all I care to to voodoochile about his blather, I replied to you because I thought better of you.
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any legitimate evidence of any paranormal or supernatural phenomena. That is just a fact. All such "experiences" are much more easily explained by errors in our perceptions or our understanding. The mind is easily deluded by all sorts of internal and external factors, including our own imaginations.
The OP is not within the realm of the possible. The conclusions about god are invalid and frankly, incoherent gibberish. I do not know, nor, frankly, do I care much why VC posts what he posts, it is useless trash on the same order as Dad1's. If he actually believes this stuff he needs professional help, not encouragement of his delusions, if he is aware of the falsity of his posts, he is lying. Either way, what he claims is not true and can never be true. He has already started behaving like the troll he is, he is not worth wasting any more time on, he is obviously...well...
Grumpy
I have said all I care to to voodoochile about his blather, I replied to you because I thought better of you.
QUOTE
Paranormal occurrences are becoming more and more available (as information) to people these days, there is a lot more attention and exploration being given to the paranormal...to psychics, to hauntings, and to things formerly laughed at in scientific circles
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any legitimate evidence of any paranormal or supernatural phenomena. That is just a fact. All such "experiences" are much more easily explained by errors in our perceptions or our understanding. The mind is easily deluded by all sorts of internal and external factors, including our own imaginations.
The OP is not within the realm of the possible. The conclusions about god are invalid and frankly, incoherent gibberish. I do not know, nor, frankly, do I care much why VC posts what he posts, it is useless trash on the same order as Dad1's. If he actually believes this stuff he needs professional help, not encouragement of his delusions, if he is aware of the falsity of his posts, he is lying. Either way, what he claims is not true and can never be true. He has already started behaving like the troll he is, he is not worth wasting any more time on, he is obviously...well...
Grumpy
1. Where is the documentation of the scientific method for this experiment? Where is the hypothesis? Where are the controls?
Japan. I didnt sign a contract like a fool. I have a love of the car and physics and that was my motivation. After C, I had to keep going to get some sort kind answers about what happened at C. If I had signed a contract I would have everything you are looking for. I didnt think it was as important as it turned out to be. I trusted a bunch of video game making fools without a contract. Should I apologise for that? Is that a good reason for the way things have gone?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
Anybody could bring this 'code/ type of mathematics to a speed. Wether you could reach C or not is debatable. I did. They have this recorded. Wether someone will ever repeat it again is not a certainty. To do it, you have to transcend matter with sheer force. Having said all this, I could easily bring this code to a few thousand mph to give people an idea of how fast my hands were moving (like a blur until C). There would have been many witnesses but this old fool yamauchi made decisions that stopped this from happening so its not my fault.
As for the points of inertia, I could happily find them in a few seconds and show you how to do the same. As for making the code perfect, I could do it again in 2 seconds. I dont know if just anybody could do that. You have realise that I gave birth to this thing travelling at C and took it all the way to perfection over the course of a year. Not an easy thing to do.
Thats the best I can do.
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
Fair question. As the process went on, everything about the car was simulated (virtually, not according to the laws of physics) The car's range of motion, while drifting, was defined. Within this range of motion the tyres behaviour and inertia characteristics became a problem (spinning wheels under varying levels of power, while drifting, is a very hard thing to predict) so the polyphony digital people hired this japanese mathematician to deal with this problem. He then developed this 'code' to deal with this problem. It was obvious this 'code' had potential but it failed before the weight transition. As the testing continued, patterns and parameters between the 4 wheels and steering wheel were found (this was the steering input that happens while grip is lost). These parameters provided a mountain of possible information that worked perfectly with this new code, because all of this information happened in the contact areas. The area this code was designed to deal with. Then the testing I did, made this code solid enough to travel, and be acted upon.
So basically, inertia was the problem and this code was the solution. The solution was developed, evolved and later brought to C where God is. The points of inertia within the bed of the chassis made up the cross, which was eventually found to go above the car. This confirmed who the person sitting to God's right hand side was.
Inertia started everything and inertia confirmed everything.
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
Its not. Maybe I'm describing it wrong. I essentially charged the code with C. After it was brought to C it was stationary, almost floating. Mathematics could then be sent through it, allowing for 3D equations at C. It expanded in a completely 3D way, each individual piece, and as a whole. I think the mathematician could explain better so you could understand it.
I really do apologise for the standard of this thread and the manner in which its been made public. It was not meant to go like this. I really did everything physically and mentally during this process and I'm doing everything I can to make it public now. The circumstances are and were out of my control.
I can understand people reactions as this is truely outside the box but if you were involved you would have seen how it happened step by step over a year. Even now you should be able to view all of this process (which is recorded) to fully understand everything which is the most important thing.
Japan. I didnt sign a contract like a fool. I have a love of the car and physics and that was my motivation. After C, I had to keep going to get some sort kind answers about what happened at C. If I had signed a contract I would have everything you are looking for. I didnt think it was as important as it turned out to be. I trusted a bunch of video game making fools without a contract. Should I apologise for that? Is that a good reason for the way things have gone?
2. How can this experiment, and the observations made therein, be repeated?
Anybody could bring this 'code/ type of mathematics to a speed. Wether you could reach C or not is debatable. I did. They have this recorded. Wether someone will ever repeat it again is not a certainty. To do it, you have to transcend matter with sheer force. Having said all this, I could easily bring this code to a few thousand mph to give people an idea of how fast my hands were moving (like a blur until C). There would have been many witnesses but this old fool yamauchi made decisions that stopped this from happening so its not my fault.
As for the points of inertia, I could happily find them in a few seconds and show you how to do the same. As for making the code perfect, I could do it again in 2 seconds. I dont know if just anybody could do that. You have realise that I gave birth to this thing travelling at C and took it all the way to perfection over the course of a year. Not an easy thing to do.
Thats the best I can do.
3. Given the repeated observations, whence the conclusions? How do you get from "inertia" to God?
Fair question. As the process went on, everything about the car was simulated (virtually, not according to the laws of physics) The car's range of motion, while drifting, was defined. Within this range of motion the tyres behaviour and inertia characteristics became a problem (spinning wheels under varying levels of power, while drifting, is a very hard thing to predict) so the polyphony digital people hired this japanese mathematician to deal with this problem. He then developed this 'code' to deal with this problem. It was obvious this 'code' had potential but it failed before the weight transition. As the testing continued, patterns and parameters between the 4 wheels and steering wheel were found (this was the steering input that happens while grip is lost). These parameters provided a mountain of possible information that worked perfectly with this new code, because all of this information happened in the contact areas. The area this code was designed to deal with. Then the testing I did, made this code solid enough to travel, and be acted upon.
So basically, inertia was the problem and this code was the solution. The solution was developed, evolved and later brought to C where God is. The points of inertia within the bed of the chassis made up the cross, which was eventually found to go above the car. This confirmed who the person sitting to God's right hand side was.
Inertia started everything and inertia confirmed everything.
4. The statement "the code ran at the speed of light" is nonsensical.
Its not. Maybe I'm describing it wrong. I essentially charged the code with C. After it was brought to C it was stationary, almost floating. Mathematics could then be sent through it, allowing for 3D equations at C. It expanded in a completely 3D way, each individual piece, and as a whole. I think the mathematician could explain better so you could understand it.
I really do apologise for the standard of this thread and the manner in which its been made public. It was not meant to go like this. I really did everything physically and mentally during this process and I'm doing everything I can to make it public now. The circumstances are and were out of my control.
I can understand people reactions as this is truely outside the box but if you were involved you would have seen how it happened step by step over a year. Even now you should be able to view all of this process (which is recorded) to fully understand everything which is the most important thing.
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 13 2008, 06:37 PM)
What voodoochile has represented in this forum is something that appears to be very real to HIM. Why must everyone judge the next persons experiences as unacceptable or acceptable? Why not try to understand where he is coming from and what he is trying to portray as his experiential paradigm? What he went through was obviously odd....and possibly akin to a hallucination, or a sort of parallel world experience, or to entanglement...or to time travel.
Why is it not interesting to you? Because he doesn't fit, the experience does not fit into some neat little box? If all my experiences do not fit for people either, and maybe that is why I am quite open to his story. But just because folks have not been privy to such odd experiences does not mean that nothing has occurred to be interested in.
Paranormal occurrences are becoming more and more available (as information) to people these days, there is a lot more attention and exploration being given to the paranormal...to psychics, to hauntings, and to things formerly laughed at in scientific circles. Where is the scale of what is unacceptable to bring here as a possible interest to people studying or working in fields of scientific knowledge?
I cannot answer the questions you pose...but I can understand that something happened to this man that was otherworldly and excited him and made him wish to share the information, and there is nothing wrong with bringing it here, with a willingness to be picked at and pulled apart by those who would be interested.
But to be picked at and pulled apart by the disinterested, is not something I would wish on anyone. If disinterested...why don't people just move on to the next topic?
Why do so many feel compelled to make a mockery of others? I guess that my experiences, lead me to want to protect those who have experiences of similar things.
A question for those who have known and felt love, and hence believe it exists...can love be proved by Science?
And yet so many accept LOVE as something tangible...
are you chomsky?
Why is it not interesting to you? Because he doesn't fit, the experience does not fit into some neat little box? If all my experiences do not fit for people either, and maybe that is why I am quite open to his story. But just because folks have not been privy to such odd experiences does not mean that nothing has occurred to be interested in.
Paranormal occurrences are becoming more and more available (as information) to people these days, there is a lot more attention and exploration being given to the paranormal...to psychics, to hauntings, and to things formerly laughed at in scientific circles. Where is the scale of what is unacceptable to bring here as a possible interest to people studying or working in fields of scientific knowledge?
I cannot answer the questions you pose...but I can understand that something happened to this man that was otherworldly and excited him and made him wish to share the information, and there is nothing wrong with bringing it here, with a willingness to be picked at and pulled apart by those who would be interested.
But to be picked at and pulled apart by the disinterested, is not something I would wish on anyone. If disinterested...why don't people just move on to the next topic?
Why do so many feel compelled to make a mockery of others? I guess that my experiences, lead me to want to protect those who have experiences of similar things.
A question for those who have known and felt love, and hence believe it exists...can love be proved by Science?
And yet so many accept LOVE as something tangible...
are you chomsky?
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 13 2008, 06:42 PM)
Actually, no. What I have is a need for an outlet for my frustration at idiots that are willing to be deluded by their own fantasies, willing to ignore the scientific method and the basic tenets of scientific research in favor of their delusions, and who think it's AOK to push their delusions on everyone else... and especially those who think their delusions deserve the respect of the scientific community even as they show their blatant disrespect for that same community!
I have a great deal of respect for anyone who admits their ignorance and shows a willingness to learn, even if they continue to challenge the conclusions already accepted by the scientific community. I have a great deal of respect for those who show patience in dealing with these idiots, as clearly I do not have that patience. I have a great deal of respect for those who have put the time and effort into the mastery of their fields.
I do not have respect for those who I described in my first paragraph, people like the OP who believe that the drivel they post is scientifically valid and deserving of respect.
My own ego be damned, if I wanted glory I would be devoting more of my time to the mastery of some subject in hopes of advancing the state of our knowledge and technology.
I have a great deal of respect for anyone who admits their ignorance and shows a willingness to learn, even if they continue to challenge the conclusions already accepted by the scientific community. I have a great deal of respect for those who show patience in dealing with these idiots, as clearly I do not have that patience. I have a great deal of respect for those who have put the time and effort into the mastery of their fields.
I do not have respect for those who I described in my first paragraph, people like the OP who believe that the drivel they post is scientifically valid and deserving of respect.
My own ego be damned, if I wanted glory I would be devoting more of my time to the mastery of some subject in hopes of advancing the state of our knowledge and technology.
QUOTE (tikay+)
I doubt that any scientist would call you HIS peer or want you representing him on this forum or any other.
I am not trying to represent any scientist. I am not trying to be a peer. I am simply trying to highlight stupidity, especially aggressive stupidity, wherever I may see it. And I see a LOT in this thread, especially from the OP.
You seem 100% sure this isnt true. can you explain why?
Also, aggression got me to C. Aggression allowed me to make the code perfect. 6 months of reading narrow and closed minded garbage from trolls like you has made me more aggressive than all of that.
Ask an intelligent question based on the information I provided?
Does the fact that your not asking any questions mean that you understand everything and you are just having a brain fart trying to comprehend it?
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
Your understanding of what constitutes "documented evidence" is still questionable.
d(Do you know an open minded lawyer who works cheap?)
There is no such thing as an open minded lawyer, they are all crooks ready and willing to bleed white any unfortunate being who comes within their grasp. Neither they nor their bosses the High Court judges seem to realise that there is no justice for the poor. On second thoughts I take that back, of course they know, they just don't care.
If I was a lawyer there would be an invoice attached to this comment that bears no relation to anything except greed.
I am not trying to represent any scientist. I am not trying to be a peer. I am simply trying to highlight stupidity, especially aggressive stupidity, wherever I may see it. And I see a LOT in this thread, especially from the OP.
You seem 100% sure this isnt true. can you explain why?
Also, aggression got me to C. Aggression allowed me to make the code perfect. 6 months of reading narrow and closed minded garbage from trolls like you has made me more aggressive than all of that.
Ask an intelligent question based on the information I provided?
Does the fact that your not asking any questions mean that you understand everything and you are just having a brain fart trying to comprehend it?
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 13 2008, 08:44 PM)
Also, aggression got me to C. Aggression allowed me to make the code perfect. 6 months of reading narrow and closed minded garbage from trolls like you has made me more aggressive than all of that.
Then you must be moving at C. Ride 'em cowboy! I found God through anger! Yeah...
Come on, you moved at light speed. Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
Then you must be moving at C. Ride 'em cowboy! I found God through anger! Yeah...
Come on, you moved at light speed. Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 13 2008, 04:12 PM)
That was like a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
Ayrton Senna once said, when you win, or are the focus of attention, people take notice. They see every detail and they pass comments. The majority criticise you in a negative way. I have observed this to completely true but I am not accepting it for a second.
You are completely right in what you wrote and I respect and appreciate your attitude.
I would also like to apologise for my attitude but the stress and seriousness of these circumstances is a lot to bare.
Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. - Thats what I've been saying for 6 months!
Thanks again and from me to you (*** the rest) its the truth. respect.
(Do you know an open minded lawyer who works cheap?)
No problem, just my opinion...my thoughts on the matter. I wholeheartedly believe in a persons civil rights, the right to be heard, being one of them. (Freedom of speech) and, do not like seeing people being shut down...or the attempts to squelch...so often seen in this place.
I certainly believe in the ethic of reciprocity, but at times it fails to produce results...in others. And one cannot always be the good guy, now can we...when we come up against a wall...we may want to bash our way through, in frustration.
My daughter (first grade this year, nearly six years old) brought home a paper today which bears the same message and I quote.
"Are you a good sport?
A good sport plays fairly and follows the rules. Being a good sport means you enjoy the game whether you win or lose. You show respect for others. RESPECT is honor we show someone.
Rights and opinions are important.
When you treat others the way you want them to treat you, you are following the Golden Rule.
A right is something that is due to you. People have a right to their opinions. An opinion is an idea or a belief. It is important to show respect for the rights and opinions of others.
Problem solving.
Sometimes we have problems when we work and play in groups. Good citizens can solve problems by thinking and talking about them."
If they are teaching my child these things at just nearly six, I begin to wonder how these sentiments got past what appears to be full grown men who like to tear this forum apart with insults and constant mockery, and why they band together so readily to try and do harm to people, or silence them, because they disagree with an opinion or differing viewpoint. It does so take on the air of stagnancy when one watches the constant struggle to shut people up. Let them rot in it. If they find new ideas so upsetting, then they really do not belong in a science forum themselves I say.
I do not currently know of a lawyer who you may call on for help. But I am sure that many got a good chuckle from the question...it did seem almost oxymoronic? or a slight contradiction in terms even to me. (((Absolutely no offense intended.)))
If I come across anyone who would possibly be open enough to be interested in your case, I will remember you, I promise.
Best wishes.
Tracey/tikay
TheDoc...
Maybe I am taking up a cause here, maybe I have every right to do so...I find that I am interested in the basic protection of rights... And I believe there is nothing inherently wrong in this. At least I was not interested in a personal vendetta...as it seems, you were, with me ~ and when I think on it...with so many others. I believe you may not perceive yourself as at all defective. That must feel really nice, but it can't be completely true. So as you come here selling your wares, try to keep a perspective that a first grader might take perhaps...that people deserve honor, and have rights?
Ayrton Senna once said, when you win, or are the focus of attention, people take notice. They see every detail and they pass comments. The majority criticise you in a negative way. I have observed this to completely true but I am not accepting it for a second.
You are completely right in what you wrote and I respect and appreciate your attitude.
I would also like to apologise for my attitude but the stress and seriousness of these circumstances is a lot to bare.
Now if you had good questions, or could add something of interest...that would be acceptable. - Thats what I've been saying for 6 months!
Thanks again and from me to you (*** the rest) its the truth. respect.
(Do you know an open minded lawyer who works cheap?)
No problem, just my opinion...my thoughts on the matter. I wholeheartedly believe in a persons civil rights, the right to be heard, being one of them. (Freedom of speech) and, do not like seeing people being shut down...or the attempts to squelch...so often seen in this place.
I certainly believe in the ethic of reciprocity, but at times it fails to produce results...in others. And one cannot always be the good guy, now can we...when we come up against a wall...we may want to bash our way through, in frustration.
My daughter (first grade this year, nearly six years old) brought home a paper today which bears the same message and I quote.
"Are you a good sport?
A good sport plays fairly and follows the rules. Being a good sport means you enjoy the game whether you win or lose. You show respect for others. RESPECT is honor we show someone.
Rights and opinions are important.
When you treat others the way you want them to treat you, you are following the Golden Rule.
A right is something that is due to you. People have a right to their opinions. An opinion is an idea or a belief. It is important to show respect for the rights and opinions of others.
Problem solving.
Sometimes we have problems when we work and play in groups. Good citizens can solve problems by thinking and talking about them."
If they are teaching my child these things at just nearly six, I begin to wonder how these sentiments got past what appears to be full grown men who like to tear this forum apart with insults and constant mockery, and why they band together so readily to try and do harm to people, or silence them, because they disagree with an opinion or differing viewpoint. It does so take on the air of stagnancy when one watches the constant struggle to shut people up. Let them rot in it. If they find new ideas so upsetting, then they really do not belong in a science forum themselves I say.
I do not currently know of a lawyer who you may call on for help. But I am sure that many got a good chuckle from the question...it did seem almost oxymoronic? or a slight contradiction in terms even to me. (((Absolutely no offense intended.)))
If I come across anyone who would possibly be open enough to be interested in your case, I will remember you, I promise.
Best wishes.
Tracey/tikay
TheDoc...
Maybe I am taking up a cause here, maybe I have every right to do so...I find that I am interested in the basic protection of rights... And I believe there is nothing inherently wrong in this. At least I was not interested in a personal vendetta...as it seems, you were, with me ~ and when I think on it...with so many others. I believe you may not perceive yourself as at all defective. That must feel really nice, but it can't be completely true. So as you come here selling your wares, try to keep a perspective that a first grader might take perhaps...that people deserve honor, and have rights?
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 13 2008, 05:35 PM)
are you chomsky?
Grumpy, I believe the man is genuinely telling of something he felt he experienced.
Thanks for your show of respect to me, but I am interested in his experience. Psycologically, philosophically, esoterically...interested.
If anyone is concerned with my mind-set, and how I will become somehow warped by being interested in someones ideas...please be relieved that I am relinquishing you of any responsibility over the outcome...heehee...I am sure I will not be terribly damaged by ideas. No matter how bizarre and far fetched.
AS TO..."Am I chomsky?"
No I am only tikay in this forum, for I have something called self respect and will never come here with a sockpuppet. That would make me a liar, and i am opposed to the practice, it is what ruins physorg. Kicked out....not me, i know how to behave, for the most part.
Grumpy, I believe the man is genuinely telling of something he felt he experienced.
Thanks for your show of respect to me, but I am interested in his experience. Psycologically, philosophically, esoterically...interested.
If anyone is concerned with my mind-set, and how I will become somehow warped by being interested in someones ideas...please be relieved that I am relinquishing you of any responsibility over the outcome...heehee...I am sure I will not be terribly damaged by ideas. No matter how bizarre and far fetched.
AS TO..."Am I chomsky?"
No I am only tikay in this forum, for I have something called self respect and will never come here with a sockpuppet. That would make me a liar, and i am opposed to the practice, it is what ruins physorg. Kicked out....not me, i know how to behave, for the most part.
Tikay
The point I was trying(unsuccessfully) to make is that even though the sentiments you have expressed are laudable, they are wasted on non-sense such as the OP. The author is either seriously deluded(in which case procuring skilled professional help would be the kindest thing), or he is pulling our chain(in which case he SHOULD receive the criticism he has earned). THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT HE HAS POSTED BEARS ANY RESEMBLANCE TO REALITY!!!
Save your concern for others who may have a legitimate point.
Grumpy
The point I was trying(unsuccessfully) to make is that even though the sentiments you have expressed are laudable, they are wasted on non-sense such as the OP. The author is either seriously deluded(in which case procuring skilled professional help would be the kindest thing), or he is pulling our chain(in which case he SHOULD receive the criticism he has earned). THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT HE HAS POSTED BEARS ANY RESEMBLANCE TO REALITY!!!
Save your concern for others who may have a legitimate point.
Grumpy
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 14 2008, 12:48 AM)
QUOTE
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any legitimate evidence of any paranormal or supernatural phenomena. That is just a fact.
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 14 2008, 06:45 AM)
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
QUOTE (Wikipedia+)
(Courtney) Brown's research has received notable positive reviews from other advocates of psychic powers such as Fred Alan Wolf, William A. Tiller, and Daryl Bem. His claims have been dismissed by other scientists, such as his colleague Scott O. Lilienfeld, and he has refused to subject his ideas and his own purported psychic powers to independent scientific testing on what Lilienfeld describes as "curious" grounds.
Hmmmm... his own colleague dismisses his claims - and he won't allow independant scientific testing.
But he'll SELL you some books.
Hmmmm... his own colleague dismisses his claims - and he won't allow independant scientific testing.
But he'll SELL you some books.
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 14 2008, 11:45 AM)
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
Your understanding of what constitutes "documented evidence" is still questionable.
(Boneidol @ Oct 14 2008, 11:45 AM)
Actually, as always, the fiction is in what you consider to be documented evidence. My perception and willingness to explore are fine, I just don't waste them on obvious fakery or gobbledegoop like the meanings you give to Merkaba. In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work.
Grumpy
QUOTE
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
http://www.farsight.org/
Actually, as always, the fiction is in what you consider to be documented evidence. My perception and willingness to explore are fine, I just don't waste them on obvious fakery or gobbledegoop like the meanings you give to Merkaba. In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work.
Grumpy
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 14 2008, 03:31 AM)
I wholeheartedly believe in a persons civil rights, the right to be heard, being one of them. (Freedom of speech)
He has the right to say whatever he wants to say, we're not trying to take that away from him.
The right to be heard (or rather, the right to say what you want) DOES NOT equate to the right not to be criticized for what you just said!
Sorry voodoo, but your experience, as good as it may have been for you, IS NOT scientific PROOF of anything except your lack of understanding of science!
If you were to design an experiment to reproduce your experience, and were able to formulate and test a hypotheses, and to demonstrate through the observations that God is the best explanation for the results, then MAYBE you'd have a case. As of right now, all you have is a personal experience that (in your own words) "CONFIRMS" your preconceived notions of God.
He has the right to say whatever he wants to say, we're not trying to take that away from him.
The right to be heard (or rather, the right to say what you want) DOES NOT equate to the right not to be criticized for what you just said!
Sorry voodoo, but your experience, as good as it may have been for you, IS NOT scientific PROOF of anything except your lack of understanding of science!
If you were to design an experiment to reproduce your experience, and were able to formulate and test a hypotheses, and to demonstrate through the observations that God is the best explanation for the results, then MAYBE you'd have a case. As of right now, all you have is a personal experience that (in your own words) "CONFIRMS" your preconceived notions of God.
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 14 2008, 06:16 AM)
He has the right to say whatever he wants to say, we're not trying to take that away from him.
The right to be heard (or rather, the right to say what you want) DOES NOT equate to the right not to be criticized for what you just said!
Sorry voodoo, but your experience, as good as it may have been for you, IS NOT scientific PROOF of anything except your lack of understanding of science!
If you were to design an experiment to reproduce your experience, and were able to formulate and test a hypotheses, and to demonstrate through the observations that God is the best explanation for the results, then MAYBE you'd have a case. As of right now, all you have is a personal experience that (in your own words) "CONFIRMS" your preconceived notions of God.
Good answers, I have not looked into the remote viewing site much...but maybe later, I have lost my drivers license...and must deal with the mundane things of life today, for a bit. I went to DMV to find my Insurance company had not yet been recognized by DMV, and I will have to go back after some phone dance.
The fact that the Title of this thread is something about Scientific Proof of God...is a mistake i would reckon...maybe that was the first mistake on OP's part. The second being that he trusted anyone to treat him with honor...well a few of us will.
The worst mistake I suppose. is his thinking that anyone will go out of their way to investigate this by the almost archaic (to some minds) letter writing campaign...
Even I am not that interested to find out if something that should be disclosed to public records has occurred in Japan. I am really quite lazy when it come to attacking such problems. I want things to be available to me here, when I come here...or in a link or...forget about it. This is my leisure time, and I want it to be leisurely.
Sorry if it seems like I am a watchdog for people who have untested theories, but is it written anywhere that people cannot bring unproven hypothesis to this forum?
I just believe in honor for people as I said previous....and yes i am even nice to the homeless...well with the exception of Mr. Robin Parsons...perhaps, now if you want to recall a real pain...there was one.
I am off to do business...nice to see more civility in here.
Tracey
The right to be heard (or rather, the right to say what you want) DOES NOT equate to the right not to be criticized for what you just said!
Sorry voodoo, but your experience, as good as it may have been for you, IS NOT scientific PROOF of anything except your lack of understanding of science!
If you were to design an experiment to reproduce your experience, and were able to formulate and test a hypotheses, and to demonstrate through the observations that God is the best explanation for the results, then MAYBE you'd have a case. As of right now, all you have is a personal experience that (in your own words) "CONFIRMS" your preconceived notions of God.
Good answers, I have not looked into the remote viewing site much...but maybe later, I have lost my drivers license...and must deal with the mundane things of life today, for a bit. I went to DMV to find my Insurance company had not yet been recognized by DMV, and I will have to go back after some phone dance.
The fact that the Title of this thread is something about Scientific Proof of God...is a mistake i would reckon...maybe that was the first mistake on OP's part. The second being that he trusted anyone to treat him with honor...well a few of us will.
The worst mistake I suppose. is his thinking that anyone will go out of their way to investigate this by the almost archaic (to some minds) letter writing campaign...
Even I am not that interested to find out if something that should be disclosed to public records has occurred in Japan. I am really quite lazy when it come to attacking such problems. I want things to be available to me here, when I come here...or in a link or...forget about it. This is my leisure time, and I want it to be leisurely.
Sorry if it seems like I am a watchdog for people who have untested theories, but is it written anywhere that people cannot bring unproven hypothesis to this forum?
I just believe in honor for people as I said previous....and yes i am even nice to the homeless...well with the exception of Mr. Robin Parsons...perhaps, now if you want to recall a real pain...there was one.
I am off to do business...nice to see more civility in here.
Tracey
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 14 2008, 01:54 PM)
(Boneidol @ Oct 14 2008, 11:45 AM)
Actually, as always, the fiction is in what you consider to be documented evidence. My perception and willingness to explore are fine, I just don't waste them on obvious fakery or gobbledegoop like the meanings you give to Merkaba. In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work.
Grumpy
This response is so YOU Grumpy. Your fellow sleepers will no doubt be nodding in agreement, without actually knowing the truth of the matter.
As for Professer Brown and his work, I'll find out for myself. The man claims there is years of research into remote viewing, and that it is complying to scientific rigor. I've seen a couple of the videos on there and read part of the first chapter of the free bit of the book. It's sounding positive, and the figures show something beyond the 5 senses is at work.
The 25 years of PEAR research also throws up positive results in favour of consciousness influencing machinery. That was good enough for Princeton university to keep the project going. I think there is stuff happening outside the physical senses all the time. Eventually it will become scientifically quantifiable to the point where it will fall into the lazy guy's lap. And it will happen because people like me don't listen to people like you.:-)
You already have a terminal problem about it? Gmilam? Done any research, apart from the snippet of stuff you sent in? What are the "curious" grounds? He claims to have ploughed in thousands of dollars into the site. His own money in order to keep the research going. How about you Occidental, already understand the documented evidence? I seriously doubt it. As always one is hit by the lazy guy's snorts about anything that happens to be outside his comfort zone.
It will never fall into your laps. Things and insights happen through effort.
Actually, as always, the fiction is in what you consider to be documented evidence. My perception and willingness to explore are fine, I just don't waste them on obvious fakery or gobbledegoop like the meanings you give to Merkaba. In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work.
Grumpy
This response is so YOU Grumpy. Your fellow sleepers will no doubt be nodding in agreement, without actually knowing the truth of the matter.
As for Professer Brown and his work, I'll find out for myself. The man claims there is years of research into remote viewing, and that it is complying to scientific rigor. I've seen a couple of the videos on there and read part of the first chapter of the free bit of the book. It's sounding positive, and the figures show something beyond the 5 senses is at work.
The 25 years of PEAR research also throws up positive results in favour of consciousness influencing machinery. That was good enough for Princeton university to keep the project going. I think there is stuff happening outside the physical senses all the time. Eventually it will become scientifically quantifiable to the point where it will fall into the lazy guy's lap. And it will happen because people like me don't listen to people like you.:-)
You already have a terminal problem about it? Gmilam? Done any research, apart from the snippet of stuff you sent in? What are the "curious" grounds? He claims to have ploughed in thousands of dollars into the site. His own money in order to keep the research going. How about you Occidental, already understand the documented evidence? I seriously doubt it. As always one is hit by the lazy guy's snorts about anything that happens to be outside his comfort zone.
It will never fall into your laps. Things and insights happen through effort.
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 14 2008, 04:35 PM)
Sorry if it seems like I am a watchdog for people who have untested theories, but is it written anywhere that people cannot bring unproven hypothesis to this forum?
I'm not at all objecting to an untested hypothesis. As a matter of fact, this would be an EXCELLENT place to bring an untested hypothesis, IF the poster approaches the matter with humility, as a request for discussion as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing.
What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence or assumes that the poster's interpretation of the evidence is sensible, rational, and correct, when in fact that interpretation or evidence depends heavily on the reader (or poster's) preheld conceptions and beliefs. I especially object to posters, like the OP, who string together buzzwords as if they hold some valid meaning, and expect us to accept their bizarre ramblings as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!
Anyway, I'm done here. Voodoo, good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis. We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach.
I'm not at all objecting to an untested hypothesis. As a matter of fact, this would be an EXCELLENT place to bring an untested hypothesis, IF the poster approaches the matter with humility, as a request for discussion as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing.
What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence or assumes that the poster's interpretation of the evidence is sensible, rational, and correct, when in fact that interpretation or evidence depends heavily on the reader (or poster's) preheld conceptions and beliefs. I especially object to posters, like the OP, who string together buzzwords as if they hold some valid meaning, and expect us to accept their bizarre ramblings as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!
Anyway, I'm done here. Voodoo, good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis. We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach.
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 14 2008, 12:12 PM)
You already have a terminal problem about it? Gmilam? Done any research, apart from the snippet of stuff you sent in? What are the "curious" grounds?
What are the curious grounds? You tell me. Did you research it before posting the link as a "credible" source? Seems to me a credible man of research would welcome outside confirmation.
Sounds like you researched this one as well as you did that Drunvalo clown.
You're quite gullible aren't you.
What are the curious grounds? You tell me. Did you research it before posting the link as a "credible" source? Seems to me a credible man of research would welcome outside confirmation.
Sounds like you researched this one as well as you did that Drunvalo clown.
You're quite gullible aren't you.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 14 2008, 12:12 AM)
d(Do you know an open minded lawyer who works cheap?)
There is no such thing as an open minded lawyer, they are all crooks ready and willing to bleed white any unfortunate being who comes within their grasp. Neither they nor their bosses the High Court judges seem to realise that there is no justice for the poor. On second thoughts I take that back, of course they know, they just don't care.
If I was a lawyer there would be an invoice attached to this comment that bears no relation to anything except greed.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 14 2008, 05:30 PM)
What are the curious grounds? You tell me. Did you research it before posting the link as a "credible" source? Seems to me a credible man of research would welcome outside confirmation.
Sounds like you researched this one as well as you did that Drunvalo clown.
You're quite gullible aren't you.
Look, you got the link, so read as much as I have, watch two of the videos and the free bit of his book. Also read some of the stuff on PEAR, the cosnciousness/machinery link. Then come back and say I am guillible if you still feel that. As for Drunvalo, yes I agree with you on that one. when I found out more about it it is quite embarrassing. But, I don't believe anyone is 100% right or wrong. I'm actually not interested in his "weird" new ager stuff. But I am still interested in the electro-magnetic field he talks about.
I am not gullible actually. One of the things I'm not. Studious and out of the box maybe. None of what I ended up finding is in a book somewhere. And I still vouch for its validity. And still hold the right to predict the conclusion re the Merkaba connection. So no, nothing I am saying is not without a solid reason and data to point to. I agree it is not mainstream, and this probably was the last place to come with it.
But I'm finding where the right outlets are, and which universities will be interested. There is a university in Canada, that talks about a "god" machine. I read about that a couple of years ago. The only difference to the wiring I would suggest is to change the frequencies to a certain set, that reflect this balance of duality phenomena. So no, not gullible, sorry.
How about you, are you waiting for some "spiritual" experience to drop into your lap?
Sounds like you researched this one as well as you did that Drunvalo clown.
You're quite gullible aren't you.
Look, you got the link, so read as much as I have, watch two of the videos and the free bit of his book. Also read some of the stuff on PEAR, the cosnciousness/machinery link. Then come back and say I am guillible if you still feel that. As for Drunvalo, yes I agree with you on that one. when I found out more about it it is quite embarrassing. But, I don't believe anyone is 100% right or wrong. I'm actually not interested in his "weird" new ager stuff. But I am still interested in the electro-magnetic field he talks about.
I am not gullible actually. One of the things I'm not. Studious and out of the box maybe. None of what I ended up finding is in a book somewhere. And I still vouch for its validity. And still hold the right to predict the conclusion re the Merkaba connection. So no, nothing I am saying is not without a solid reason and data to point to. I agree it is not mainstream, and this probably was the last place to come with it.
But I'm finding where the right outlets are, and which universities will be interested. There is a university in Canada, that talks about a "god" machine. I read about that a couple of years ago. The only difference to the wiring I would suggest is to change the frequencies to a certain set, that reflect this balance of duality phenomena. So no, not gullible, sorry.
How about you, are you waiting for some "spiritual" experience to drop into your lap?
The Courtney Brown affair and academic freedom - Courtney Brown's theories on extraterrestrial life and academic freedom - Skeptical Inquirer, May-June, 1997, by Scott O. Lilienfeld, William M. Chace
Ooh! But look at this one!
Ooh! But look at this one!
Brown, who directs the "Farsight Institute" in Atlanta, offers seminars - at a cost of $3,000 per head - that promise to provide attendees with the psychic abilities he has mastered.
Then the teacher told me
it had been a lot of fun.
Thanked me for his ticket
and all that I had done.
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
This forum is very difficult to use. (flood control and refresh) No offence. Thanks for not deleting the thread.
There is no such thing as an open minded lawyer, they are all crooks ready and willing to bleed white any unfortunate being who comes within their grasp. Neither they nor their bosses the High Court judges seem to realise that there is no justice for the poor. On second thoughts I take that back, of course they know, they just don't care.
If I was a lawyer there would be an invoice attached to this comment that bears no relation to anything except greed.
haha. I think lawyers could be classed as people who will do ANYTHING for a price. Hopefully I'm wrong and one might surprise us all, represent me, and get the forward momentum going.
Nice and bitter. You were burned? Me too!
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
The lack of humility is displayed in your assertion that your experience is absolute and unquestionable proof. This attitude has nothing to do with prior criticism you may have received.
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
The lack of humility is displayed in your assertion that your experience is absolute and unquestionable proof. This attitude has nothing to do with prior criticism you may have received.
" as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing."
You should have that ability now along with everybody else. I wish I could provide it now. Help me to provide it?
Except you have already claimed to have evaluated the results of your experience, and are ignoring any criticism of that evaluation. You want real scientific help? Ok, make a statement that is testable. Don't worry about how to test it yet, start with simply your claim, your idea. For example, "If X, then God exists". Fill in 'X'. We can then look at that claim, see if it has merit, and if it does then we can start thinking about how to test it. We can't do anything until you give us that X.
You should have that ability now along with everybody else. I wish I could provide it now. Help me to provide it?
Except you have already claimed to have evaluated the results of your experience, and are ignoring any criticism of that evaluation. You want real scientific help? Ok, make a statement that is testable. Don't worry about how to test it yet, start with simply your claim, your idea. For example, "If X, then God exists". Fill in 'X'. We can then look at that claim, see if it has merit, and if it does then we can start thinking about how to test it. We can't do anything until you give us that X.
I have informed you where the proof is, who contractually owns it, and I have even suggested a means for you to acquire it. (by doing nothing. its like a zen boycott)
No. You have come in with a story that YOU THINK is proof, and you have been informed that it is not. You had an experience, almost certainly meaningful to you, but IRRELEVANT to SCIENCE. The PROOF that you mention is not in Japan, it is in your head. The experience you had during testing is your "proof", but I'm sorry it is not scientifically valid.
I have informed you where the proof is, who contractually owns it, and I have even suggested a means for you to acquire it. (by doing nothing. its like a zen boycott)
No. You have come in with a story that YOU THINK is proof, and you have been informed that it is not. You had an experience, almost certainly meaningful to you, but IRRELEVANT to SCIENCE. The PROOF that you mention is not in Japan, it is in your head. The experience you had during testing is your "proof", but I'm sorry it is not scientifically valid.
What buzzwords? Red hat thinking, words like that? What do you mean?
Buzzwords like "move at the speed of light", "run equations in 3 dimensions", "broke through the fabric of space-time", "unfinished system of inertia", etc. It has been explained to you that saying that "code runs at the speed of light" is nonsensical - the units for measuring the speed of light and the units for measuring the speed of code are different - but you seem to have missed this point. Calculating equations in 3 dimensions? We do this every day with code running at normal speeds on our normal computers. So what. "Broke through the fabric of space-time" - so, what, you and your lab turned into a singularity? How'd you make it back? These are all buzzword statements, and they are meaningless nonsense.
Yes they do! The proof has been found!
No. Again, what you experienced was not proof of anything. Your words are nonsense, as I described above.
You repeat over and over that the system of inertia was shaped like a cross and that this "symbolizes what it took for him to go through with his own crucifixion." You also suggest that the presence of a halo around the car, unseen or unknown until you suggested that it was there, and that the "weight of the car is shaped like a pair of balls" are somehow "confirmation that the light I saw was God and the person sitting to his right was Jesus." Sorry, but not only is this NOT the most likely explanation, this IS you projecting your beliefs onto your results. You are looking at the evidence (your experience) and saying, "how can my experience confirm my beliefs?" Sorry, that's not how science works. Science looks at the evidence and asks "what does the evidence mean, where does it lead me". There is nothing in your experience that even suggests a connection to God unless you presuppose that the connection is there.
Yes they do! The proof has been found!
No. Again, what you experienced was not proof of anything. Your words are nonsense, as I described above.
You repeat over and over that the system of inertia was shaped like a cross and that this "symbolizes what it took for him to go through with his own crucifixion." You also suggest that the presence of a halo around the car, unseen or unknown until you suggested that it was there, and that the "weight of the car is shaped like a pair of balls" are somehow "confirmation that the light I saw was God and the person sitting to his right was Jesus." Sorry, but not only is this NOT the most likely explanation, this IS you projecting your beliefs onto your results. You are looking at the evidence (your experience) and saying, "how can my experience confirm my beliefs?" Sorry, that's not how science works. Science looks at the evidence and asks "what does the evidence mean, where does it lead me". There is nothing in your experience that even suggests a connection to God unless you presuppose that the connection is there.
Like I have been saying, I'm not a scientist. I cant repeat these experiments but I have told you the company that can.
Sure, that company can repeat the tests of their product. They CANNOT conduct a scientific test of the hypothesis that you hold in your head. Neither can anyone else, until you produce that hypothesis.
Like I have been saying, I'm not a scientist. I cant repeat these experiments but I have told you the company that can.
Sure, that company can repeat the tests of their product. They CANNOT conduct a scientific test of the hypothesis that you hold in your head. Neither can anyone else, until you produce that hypothesis.
If you did something about it you could try to repeat and verify all of this yourself.
The burden of proof is on you, not on us. It is you that must form the coherent hypothesis as the first step. Once you think you have something, let us know and we'll see if it has merit. Then and only then can we even begin to think about how to test it.
"IF the poster approaches the matter with humility"
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
Argyll has made a few good points in his last couple of posts. But forget about his assertion regarding humility. You owe nothing of any sort to people that are quick to scorn. Sure respect anyone that makes a well thought out point , as an aid to good constructive criticism.
I'm still not exactly sure about your whole experience, but I have been thinking about it a bit. Would you consider, for example, that you experienced what Carl Jung would call Archetypes? I'm specifically referring to , once you had seen another dimension, you describing God and Jesus. All experiences are aspects of Self. A Muslim may have seen Allah and Mohammed. A red Indian may have seen the great Buffalo. Me I guess I'd have seen Hendrix and Janis Joplin doing a celestial gig.:-)
Describe the experience more in depth if you want.
Another problem for me, is the fact that so much is made out of right hand and left hand. I don't believe God is a person , as such. Which is why I would argue that your experience is an aspect of Self, and I also go along with the view that other dimensions exist. Things like astral bodies and souls are not something I would immediately throw narrow-minded criticism at.
The least you will gain from this experience is the motivation to tread some out of the box thinking. On a positive note, this scornful opposition you may experience will do wonders in teaching you how to produce suitable answers for the skeptics. It will prime your mind, and a good bit of refinement through that fire is painful but essential.
I still don't understand the code being read at the speed of light. Do you mean a software program with the ability to loop code at such a speed?
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Brown's book is remarkable for its virtually complete absence of any data that would qualify as scientific by even the most liberal evidential standards. His "findings" consist entirely of unverified subjective experiences, and the reader searches in vain for anything vaguely resembling a controlled experiment.
Ooh! But look at this one!
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| Brown's book is remarkable for its virtually complete absence of any data that would qualify as scientific by even the most liberal evidential standards. His "findings" consist entirely of unverified subjective experiences, and the reader searches in vain for anything vaguely resembling a controlled experiment. |
Ooh! But look at this one!
Brown, who directs the "Farsight Institute" in Atlanta, offers seminars - at a cost of $3,000 per head - that promise to provide attendees with the psychic abilities he has mastered.
Then the teacher told me
it had been a lot of fun.
Thanked me for his ticket
and all that I had done.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 14 2008, 06:17 PM)
The Courtney Brown affair and academic freedom - Courtney Brown's theories on extraterrestrial life and academic freedom - Skeptical Inquirer, May-June, 1997, by Scott O. Lilienfeld, William M. Chace
Ooh! But look at this one!
Then the teacher told me
it had been a lot of fun.
Thanked me for his ticket
and all that I had done.
Ummmm that's totally contradictory to what I have read so far. So who is gullible then? You believe second hand opinions, or are you going to read it for yourself?
Plenty of videos and results published at that site and the others I read I got the link form (PEAR). What will make you credible in my eyes is if , after you have watched and read, you have something to say. We all know what opinions are worth.
Why would Princeton have allowed 25 years of research into this, and how did this guy get given a Doctorate? Gmilam, you'll always get skeptics pissing on anything they can. They're not always right, which is why you can't expect the validity of things like this to fall into your lap. Either get involved , with a critical mind, and persue it with an open mind, or sit there all your life lethargically yawning at this type of work.
:-)
Ooh! But look at this one!
Then the teacher told me
it had been a lot of fun.
Thanked me for his ticket
and all that I had done.
Ummmm that's totally contradictory to what I have read so far. So who is gullible then? You believe second hand opinions, or are you going to read it for yourself?
Plenty of videos and results published at that site and the others I read I got the link form (PEAR). What will make you credible in my eyes is if , after you have watched and read, you have something to say. We all know what opinions are worth.
Why would Princeton have allowed 25 years of research into this, and how did this guy get given a Doctorate? Gmilam, you'll always get skeptics pissing on anything they can. They're not always right, which is why you can't expect the validity of things like this to fall into your lap. Either get involved , with a critical mind, and persue it with an open mind, or sit there all your life lethargically yawning at this type of work.
:-)
Cosmic Voyage: A Scientific Discovery of Extraterrestrials Visiting Earth. - book reviews
Tell ya what, you spend your good money for his book and loan it to me.
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In remote-viewing sessions with Dames, Brown visits both Martians and Greys many times, entering their minds to learn their deepest secrets and motives. He interviews a translucent Jesus whose hair seems made of light. Jesus is friendly and has a great sense of humor. Brown also visits the Buddha and Guru Dev who was the Maharishi's mentor. He remote-views President Clinton in the Oval Office. Dames tells Brown, "I could have had you go into his head, but that would have been an invasion of privacy." I found this the funniest line in Brown's book.
Tell ya what, you spend your good money for his book and loan it to me.
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Hi everyone.
It would help to always remember that 'spirituality' is a PERSONAL thing 'emergent' from complexity of an INDIVIDUAL's brain-mind of whatever 'subtle physical matrix/phenomena' it involves that we have yet to detect/control/replicate SCIENTIFICALLY and objectively. Until that scientific/objective 'status' is established, then such so-called 'paranormal' phenomena remains SUBJECTIVE and will be studied from time to time by those with the interest/intent/funds.
HOWEVER, it should be borne in mind that such 'grey areas' are RICHLY INHABITED by fakers and shysters all too ready to MILK THE GULLIBLE of their hard-earned money.........remember how Ron L Hubbard started 'scientology' as a way of PROVING how EASILY AND PROFITABLY such 'mercenary fleecing/control'of others based on hangover/inculcated human brain-mind 'superstition/gullibility' in this field can be done? :-)
BEWARE OTHERS WHEN DOING 'SPIRITUALITY'........do your own for yourself....and leave others to do the same. Trying to PROSELYTISE AND/OR 'SELL' spirituality is WRONG. 'Study/reasearch/test' such things, by all means, but do not disseminate 'results/conclusions' UNTIL THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY CONFIRMABLE...else you will be just another well-meaning/mercenary huckster 'selling' gullibity and superstition TO gullible and superstitious 'believers/buyers' who have more money/time than objective sense.
PS: Hi Physfan! Just some more 'supercillious advice' (generally to the forum at large) from your friendly neighbourhood 'supercillious elder statesman' with which/whom you may feel free to 'take issue' if you are that way inclined today! :-)
Cheers all!
RC.
Hi everyone.
It would help to always remember that 'spirituality' is a PERSONAL thing 'emergent' from complexity of an INDIVIDUAL's brain-mind of whatever 'subtle physical matrix/phenomena' it involves that we have yet to detect/control/replicate SCIENTIFICALLY and objectively. Until that scientific/objective 'status' is established, then such so-called 'paranormal' phenomena remains SUBJECTIVE and will be studied from time to time by those with the interest/intent/funds.
HOWEVER, it should be borne in mind that such 'grey areas' are RICHLY INHABITED by fakers and shysters all too ready to MILK THE GULLIBLE of their hard-earned money.........remember how Ron L Hubbard started 'scientology' as a way of PROVING how EASILY AND PROFITABLY such 'mercenary fleecing/control'of others based on hangover/inculcated human brain-mind 'superstition/gullibility' in this field can be done? :-)
BEWARE OTHERS WHEN DOING 'SPIRITUALITY'........do your own for yourself....and leave others to do the same. Trying to PROSELYTISE AND/OR 'SELL' spirituality is WRONG. 'Study/reasearch/test' such things, by all means, but do not disseminate 'results/conclusions' UNTIL THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY CONFIRMABLE...else you will be just another well-meaning/mercenary huckster 'selling' gullibity and superstition TO gullible and superstitious 'believers/buyers' who have more money/time than objective sense.
PS: Hi Physfan! Just some more 'supercillious advice' (generally to the forum at large) from your friendly neighbourhood 'supercillious elder statesman' with which/whom you may feel free to 'take issue' if you are that way inclined today! :-)
Cheers all!
RC.
Apologies folks! I made an important edit (added the bolded and underlined text) to the third paragraph of my above post but couldn't change that post in time. So I repeat the modified paragraph below.......
Hi everyone.
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BEWARE OTHERS WHEN DOING 'SPIRITUALITY'........do your own for yourself....and leave others to do the same. Trying to PROSELYTISE AND/OR 'SELL' spirituality is WRONG. 'Study/reasearch/test' such things, by all means, but do not disseminate 'results/conclusions' UNTIL THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY CONFIRMABLE...else you will be INEVITABLY AND WITH SOME JUSTIFICATION 'seen' and/or 'treated' as just yet another well-meaning/mercenary huckster 'selling' gullibity and superstition TO gullible and superstitious 'believers/buyers' who have more money/time than objective sense.
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Cheers all!
Hi everyone.
...
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BEWARE OTHERS WHEN DOING 'SPIRITUALITY'........do your own for yourself....and leave others to do the same. Trying to PROSELYTISE AND/OR 'SELL' spirituality is WRONG. 'Study/reasearch/test' such things, by all means, but do not disseminate 'results/conclusions' UNTIL THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY CONFIRMABLE...else you will be INEVITABLY AND WITH SOME JUSTIFICATION 'seen' and/or 'treated' as just yet another well-meaning/mercenary huckster 'selling' gullibity and superstition TO gullible and superstitious 'believers/buyers' who have more money/time than objective sense.
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Cheers all!
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 14 2008, 06:59 PM)
Cosmic Voyage: A Scientific Discovery of Extraterrestrials Visiting Earth. - book reviews
Tell ya what, you spend your good money for his book and loan it to me.
Yeah you could always ask Asterix if you wanna know about my guitar playing. Or occidental, he knows all about everything.
Look, regardless of what you are skirting about the issue with., I'm reading his stuff.. there is p-lenty of free stuff on that site,and I like what I've read. you probably haven't read any of it, but are doing your usual trying to find what the skeptics say. Have you got a mind of your own man? So if you can't be bothered to find out what this guy is saying in full, then up yours dude.;-)
What that means is that I think the guy has valid results logged on his site. I think he is generous for giving an abundance of work away. I think if he charges for other servcies, that's his right. I think you guys are full of narrow mindedness as always. Absolutely boring. You have certainly earned that, and one can see the place is dwindling, because you can't even be bothered to read something in the right spirit before you cast your crap at people.
But I'd suggest to anyone interested to give it a proper looking at. Remote viewing is certainly taken seriously by many that do not easily dismiss it on so called scientific grounds. Look at the results of hundred of remote viewing experiments, done scientififcally. The reason it produces positive results is because an individual consciousness is not limited to the individual, but can reach outwardly into others, and settings. It is all pervasive. With better instruments being made, it is making the job of quantifying these effects easier. The results of these tests are available for anyone to look at, no charge.
There will always be skeptics. Looking to them in order to judge someone is pitiful. Go to the source, research it and decide for yourself.
If your request is serious, I'll do that if you want. But you don't need to read his book before you know if you want to read it. There is a lot of info already available that should satisfy you one way or the other.
Tell ya what, you spend your good money for his book and loan it to me.
Yeah you could always ask Asterix if you wanna know about my guitar playing. Or occidental, he knows all about everything.
Look, regardless of what you are skirting about the issue with., I'm reading his stuff.. there is p-lenty of free stuff on that site,and I like what I've read. you probably haven't read any of it, but are doing your usual trying to find what the skeptics say. Have you got a mind of your own man? So if you can't be bothered to find out what this guy is saying in full, then up yours dude.;-)
What that means is that I think the guy has valid results logged on his site. I think he is generous for giving an abundance of work away. I think if he charges for other servcies, that's his right. I think you guys are full of narrow mindedness as always. Absolutely boring. You have certainly earned that, and one can see the place is dwindling, because you can't even be bothered to read something in the right spirit before you cast your crap at people.
But I'd suggest to anyone interested to give it a proper looking at. Remote viewing is certainly taken seriously by many that do not easily dismiss it on so called scientific grounds. Look at the results of hundred of remote viewing experiments, done scientififcally. The reason it produces positive results is because an individual consciousness is not limited to the individual, but can reach outwardly into others, and settings. It is all pervasive. With better instruments being made, it is making the job of quantifying these effects easier. The results of these tests are available for anyone to look at, no charge.
There will always be skeptics. Looking to them in order to judge someone is pitiful. Go to the source, research it and decide for yourself.
If your request is serious, I'll do that if you want. But you don't need to read his book before you know if you want to read it. There is a lot of info already available that should satisfy you one way or the other.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 14 2008, 02:30 AM)
Then you must be moving at C. Ride 'em cowboy! I found God through anger! Yeah...
Come on, you moved at light speed. Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
I can understand how C is unbelievable.
Try this, Can you believe how it was just a regular testing process until this new code was developed?
Can you believe how this code started off at a very slow speed?
Can you believe that little by little the speed was brought very high?
please answer these questions without any sarcasm, drug references etc.
Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
I would have to consciously interact with the code when it was running just below C.
Come on, you moved at light speed. Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
I can understand how C is unbelievable.
Try this, Can you believe how it was just a regular testing process until this new code was developed?
Can you believe how this code started off at a very slow speed?
Can you believe that little by little the speed was brought very high?
please answer these questions without any sarcasm, drug references etc.
Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
I would have to consciously interact with the code when it was running just below C.
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 14 2008, 03:31 AM)
No problem, just my opinion...my thoughts on the matter. I wholeheartedly believe in a persons civil rights, the right to be heard, being one of them. (Freedom of speech) and, do not like seeing people being shut down...or the attempts to squelch...so often seen in this place.
I certainly believe in the ethic of reciprocity, but at times it fails to produce results...in others. And one cannot always be the good guy, now can we...when we come up against a wall...we may want to bash our way through, in frustration.
My daughter (first grade this year, nearly six years old) brought home a paper today which bears the same message and I quote.
"Are you a good sport?
A good sport plays fairly and follows the rules. Being a good sport means you enjoy the game whether you win or lose. You show respect for others. RESPECT is honor we show someone.
Rights and opinions are important.
When you treat others the way you want them to treat you, you are following the Golden Rule.
A right is something that is due to you. People have a right to their opinions. An opinion is an idea or a belief. It is important to show respect for the rights and opinions of others.
Problem solving.
Sometimes we have problems when we work and play in groups. Good citizens can solve problems by thinking and talking about them."
If they are teaching my child these things at just nearly six, I begin to wonder how these sentiments got past what appears to be full grown men who like to tear this forum apart with insults and constant mockery, and why they band together so readily to try and do harm to people, or silence them, because they disagree with an opinion or differing viewpoint. It does so take on the air of stagnancy when one watches the constant struggle to shut people up. Let them rot in it. If they find new ideas so upsetting, then they really do not belong in a science forum themselves I say.
I do not currently know of a lawyer who you may call on for help. But I am sure that many got a good chuckle from the question...it did seem almost oxymoronic? or a slight contradiction in terms even to me. (((Absolutely no offense intended.)))
If I come across anyone who would possibly be open enough to be interested in your case, I will remember you, I promise.
Best wishes.
Tracey/tikay
TheDoc...
Maybe I am taking up a cause here, maybe I have every right to do so...I find that I am interested in the basic protection of rights... And I believe there is nothing inherently wrong in this. At least I was not interested in a personal vendetta...as it seems, you were, with me ~ and when I think on it...with so many others. I believe you may not perceive yourself as at all defective. That must feel really nice, but it can't be completely true. So as you come here selling your wares, try to keep a perspective that a first grader might take perhaps...that people deserve honor, and have rights?
About being a good sport and all that. Kick a dog so many times and it will turn around and bite you. I've been kicked far too many times, during this process and over the last 6 months on internet forums (ouch). Its hard to be a good sport when you have idiots writing complete *** at you all the time.
As for the 'fully grown men' who troll the forums like you described. Who cares?
Hopefully the credit crisis will force the lawyers to be a bit more 'genuine' where salary was concerned. Thanks.
If somebody else wrote this and I was reading it like you are, I would like to believe that I would respond in the same open minded way that you have.
I would also jump at the chance at taking down, or at least forcing, a corporation or two. An ensuing revolution based on this proof would be motive enough for me to do it.
Does this seem like a chance worth taking? Whats the worst that could happen? It would waste a week or two at the very most.
That opportunity has been sitting idle for 6 months.
I certainly believe in the ethic of reciprocity, but at times it fails to produce results...in others. And one cannot always be the good guy, now can we...when we come up against a wall...we may want to bash our way through, in frustration.
My daughter (first grade this year, nearly six years old) brought home a paper today which bears the same message and I quote.
"Are you a good sport?
A good sport plays fairly and follows the rules. Being a good sport means you enjoy the game whether you win or lose. You show respect for others. RESPECT is honor we show someone.
Rights and opinions are important.
When you treat others the way you want them to treat you, you are following the Golden Rule.
A right is something that is due to you. People have a right to their opinions. An opinion is an idea or a belief. It is important to show respect for the rights and opinions of others.
Problem solving.
Sometimes we have problems when we work and play in groups. Good citizens can solve problems by thinking and talking about them."
If they are teaching my child these things at just nearly six, I begin to wonder how these sentiments got past what appears to be full grown men who like to tear this forum apart with insults and constant mockery, and why they band together so readily to try and do harm to people, or silence them, because they disagree with an opinion or differing viewpoint. It does so take on the air of stagnancy when one watches the constant struggle to shut people up. Let them rot in it. If they find new ideas so upsetting, then they really do not belong in a science forum themselves I say.
I do not currently know of a lawyer who you may call on for help. But I am sure that many got a good chuckle from the question...it did seem almost oxymoronic? or a slight contradiction in terms even to me. (((Absolutely no offense intended.)))
If I come across anyone who would possibly be open enough to be interested in your case, I will remember you, I promise.
Best wishes.
Tracey/tikay
TheDoc...
Maybe I am taking up a cause here, maybe I have every right to do so...I find that I am interested in the basic protection of rights... And I believe there is nothing inherently wrong in this. At least I was not interested in a personal vendetta...as it seems, you were, with me ~ and when I think on it...with so many others. I believe you may not perceive yourself as at all defective. That must feel really nice, but it can't be completely true. So as you come here selling your wares, try to keep a perspective that a first grader might take perhaps...that people deserve honor, and have rights?
About being a good sport and all that. Kick a dog so many times and it will turn around and bite you. I've been kicked far too many times, during this process and over the last 6 months on internet forums (ouch). Its hard to be a good sport when you have idiots writing complete *** at you all the time.
As for the 'fully grown men' who troll the forums like you described. Who cares?
Hopefully the credit crisis will force the lawyers to be a bit more 'genuine' where salary was concerned. Thanks.
If somebody else wrote this and I was reading it like you are, I would like to believe that I would respond in the same open minded way that you have.
I would also jump at the chance at taking down, or at least forcing, a corporation or two. An ensuing revolution based on this proof would be motive enough for me to do it.
Does this seem like a chance worth taking? Whats the worst that could happen? It would waste a week or two at the very most.
That opportunity has been sitting idle for 6 months.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 14 2008, 04:55 PM)
I can understand how C is unbelievable.
Try this, Can you believe how it was just a regular testing process until this new code was developed?
Can you believe how this code started off at a very slow speed?
Can you believe that little by little the speed was brought very high?
please answer these questions without any sarcasm, drug references etc.
Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
I would have to consciously interact with the code when it was running just below C.
Try this...
Light speed is a measurement of physical speed. (i.e miles per hour, feet per second.) Computer code is NOT moving any physical distance... therefore saying code is moving at light speed is non-sensical.
You can measure the "speed" of a processor, but it's measured in cycles per second. (i.e. 3 GHZ) But this has nothing to do with how fast (efficient) the "code" is.
So you may want to think of a better way to word that if you don't want people calling you an idiot.
And if you want anybody to believe that you physically moved faster than light... don't be shocked when they ask you to pony up some proof, cowboy.
Try this, Can you believe how it was just a regular testing process until this new code was developed?
Can you believe how this code started off at a very slow speed?
Can you believe that little by little the speed was brought very high?
please answer these questions without any sarcasm, drug references etc.
Do it again! Whaddya need the f-ing software for?
I would have to consciously interact with the code when it was running just below C.
Try this...
Light speed is a measurement of physical speed. (i.e miles per hour, feet per second.) Computer code is NOT moving any physical distance... therefore saying code is moving at light speed is non-sensical.
You can measure the "speed" of a processor, but it's measured in cycles per second. (i.e. 3 GHZ) But this has nothing to do with how fast (efficient) the "code" is.
So you may want to think of a better way to word that if you don't want people calling you an idiot.
And if you want anybody to believe that you physically moved faster than light... don't be shocked when they ask you to pony up some proof, cowboy.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 14 2008, 09:55 PM)
I can understand how C is unbelievable.
Well then why don't you make it easier for all concerned and provide the proof you claim exists. Simply repeating that you've seen the proof ain't proof. Listing Japanese business corporations doesn't make your claim more authentic.
Incidentally I re-read one of your earlier lists which has the name of someone who I happen to be a friend of a friend of a friend of. It would probably only take a few calls and I could test your claim
Would you like me to do that for you?
Well then why don't you make it easier for all concerned and provide the proof you claim exists. Simply repeating that you've seen the proof ain't proof. Listing Japanese business corporations doesn't make your claim more authentic.
Incidentally I re-read one of your earlier lists which has the name of someone who I happen to be a friend of a friend of a friend of. It would probably only take a few calls and I could test your claim
Would you like me to do that for you?
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 14 2008, 03:47 AM)
Grumpy, I believe the man is genuinely telling of something he felt he experienced.
Thanks for your show of respect to me, but I am interested in his experience. Psycologically, philosophically, esoterically...interested.
If anyone is concerned with my mind-set, and how I will become somehow warped by being interested in someones ideas...please be relieved that I am relinquishing you of any responsibility over the outcome...heehee...I am sure I will not be terribly damaged by ideas. No matter how bizarre and far fetched.
AS TO..."Am I chomsky?"
No I am only tikay in this forum, for I have something called self respect and will never come here with a sockpuppet. That would make me a liar, and i am opposed to the practice, it is what ruins physorg. Kicked out....not me, i know how to behave, for the most part.
Perfect attitude.
Thanks for your show of respect to me, but I am interested in his experience. Psycologically, philosophically, esoterically...interested.
If anyone is concerned with my mind-set, and how I will become somehow warped by being interested in someones ideas...please be relieved that I am relinquishing you of any responsibility over the outcome...heehee...I am sure I will not be terribly damaged by ideas. No matter how bizarre and far fetched.
AS TO..."Am I chomsky?"
No I am only tikay in this forum, for I have something called self respect and will never come here with a sockpuppet. That would make me a liar, and i am opposed to the practice, it is what ruins physorg. Kicked out....not me, i know how to behave, for the most part.
Perfect attitude.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Oct 14 2008, 09:32 PM)
Apologies folks! I made an important edit (added the bolded and underlined text) to the third paragraph of my above post but couldn't change that post in time. So I repeat the modified paragraph below.......
Hi everyone.
...
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BEWARE OTHERS WHEN DOING 'SPIRITUALITY'........do your own for yourself....and leave others to do the same. Trying to PROSELYTISE AND/OR 'SELL' spirituality is WRONG. 'Study/reasearch/test' such things, by all means, but do not disseminate 'results/conclusions' UNTIL THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY CONFIRMABLE...else you will be INEVITABLY AND WITH SOME JUSTIFICATION 'seen' and/or 'treated' as just yet another well-meaning/mercenary huckster 'selling' gullibity and superstition TO gullible and superstitious 'believers/buyers' who have more money/time than objective sense.
...
Cheers all!
RC
In a life where next to nothing is known about the nature of consciousness, how solidified should our conclusions actually be? I'd say the most rational course any human can take is remain open to everything, even when initially absurd sounding.
I've been aware of people making money out of others since hearing about Billy Graham, back in the 80s. In fact, when I was inspired to do my own work, I had an accompanying thought that it had to be a work conducted without any thought to making money. I've spent thousands of hours on my work, have spent money, have put aside a musical career, and am always a step away from poverty.
I am all for testing, experimenting, and verifying. What I am surely against is judgement before the right to judge is reached. I have never witnessed it in such narrow minded doses as here at Physorg. It came as a shock to me. I left a world of new agey crap, because that was my first internet experience, and have entered a world of so called scientific crap. True, I am motivated to furthering my work scientifically, but it does seem that one needs to fight off the most narrow minded robots ever created from an institutionalized system.
I can't think of that old image "the mad scientist" any more. I have to see it as a conveyor belt of degrees, achieved by people that haven't learnt to really think.
So, it's still wide open. I have no guilt about whatever judgement is thrown. Because I know the judgement is as blind as our understanding of consciousness. I'd say that is the rational basis for reality at the moment, uncertainty.
As for those with more money to spend than sense, yes, I did meet quite a few of that type a few years back. An attempt was made to stigmatize me as some kind of mystic. I resisted this, and chose to find a proper outlet for my work, which to me can only be scientific in nature. I'm not interested in being a name. I'm interesting in furthering and bettering man's circumstances in an unpredicatble world. Being open to the spiritual is not a hinderance. It isn't my responsibilty to answer for other people's beliefs. At the same time it is my responsibilty to talk as I believe it. Just because Dawkins or Jesus says so isn't enough for me. I don't respect a person's status. It's worthless to me, because what will such a thing really do for me anyway? In the 21st century we'll want the real experience for ourselves.
Hi everyone.
...
...
BEWARE OTHERS WHEN DOING 'SPIRITUALITY'........do your own for yourself....and leave others to do the same. Trying to PROSELYTISE AND/OR 'SELL' spirituality is WRONG. 'Study/reasearch/test' such things, by all means, but do not disseminate 'results/conclusions' UNTIL THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY CONFIRMABLE...else you will be INEVITABLY AND WITH SOME JUSTIFICATION 'seen' and/or 'treated' as just yet another well-meaning/mercenary huckster 'selling' gullibity and superstition TO gullible and superstitious 'believers/buyers' who have more money/time than objective sense.
...
Cheers all!
RC
In a life where next to nothing is known about the nature of consciousness, how solidified should our conclusions actually be? I'd say the most rational course any human can take is remain open to everything, even when initially absurd sounding.
I've been aware of people making money out of others since hearing about Billy Graham, back in the 80s. In fact, when I was inspired to do my own work, I had an accompanying thought that it had to be a work conducted without any thought to making money. I've spent thousands of hours on my work, have spent money, have put aside a musical career, and am always a step away from poverty.
I am all for testing, experimenting, and verifying. What I am surely against is judgement before the right to judge is reached. I have never witnessed it in such narrow minded doses as here at Physorg. It came as a shock to me. I left a world of new agey crap, because that was my first internet experience, and have entered a world of so called scientific crap. True, I am motivated to furthering my work scientifically, but it does seem that one needs to fight off the most narrow minded robots ever created from an institutionalized system.
I can't think of that old image "the mad scientist" any more. I have to see it as a conveyor belt of degrees, achieved by people that haven't learnt to really think.
So, it's still wide open. I have no guilt about whatever judgement is thrown. Because I know the judgement is as blind as our understanding of consciousness. I'd say that is the rational basis for reality at the moment, uncertainty.
As for those with more money to spend than sense, yes, I did meet quite a few of that type a few years back. An attempt was made to stigmatize me as some kind of mystic. I resisted this, and chose to find a proper outlet for my work, which to me can only be scientific in nature. I'm not interested in being a name. I'm interesting in furthering and bettering man's circumstances in an unpredicatble world. Being open to the spiritual is not a hinderance. It isn't my responsibilty to answer for other people's beliefs. At the same time it is my responsibilty to talk as I believe it. Just because Dawkins or Jesus says so isn't enough for me. I don't respect a person's status. It's worthless to me, because what will such a thing really do for me anyway? In the 21st century we'll want the real experience for ourselves.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 14 2008, 12:03 AM)
If you physically moved at the speed of light - then you can still do it. What do you need the software for?
What kind of drug can send you on a trip like that? I'll tell you something that can and it's perfectly natural... Sleep deprivation. Which is what I suspect you experienced. I deduce that from your posts as Tickets where you mentioned days of testing, hours of no rest, etc...
I need to consciously interact with something travelling just below C. That would give me something to aim at.
I was not suffering from sleep deprivation. For the first 6 months I was playing a video game and they were making minor changes.
Only after C did I start putting everything I had into it, looking for confirmation. If you saw what I saw, you would have done the same. How much sleep do I need to lose before I see God? I'll make some coffee, please reply quickly.
Stop picking stupid little details to write comments on. You are boring and deconstructive.
Ask a question be open minded or read another thread.
What kind of drug can send you on a trip like that? I'll tell you something that can and it's perfectly natural... Sleep deprivation. Which is what I suspect you experienced. I deduce that from your posts as Tickets where you mentioned days of testing, hours of no rest, etc...
I need to consciously interact with something travelling just below C. That would give me something to aim at.
I was not suffering from sleep deprivation. For the first 6 months I was playing a video game and they were making minor changes.
Only after C did I start putting everything I had into it, looking for confirmation. If you saw what I saw, you would have done the same. How much sleep do I need to lose before I see God? I'll make some coffee, please reply quickly.
Stop picking stupid little details to write comments on. You are boring and deconstructive.
Ask a question be open minded or read another thread.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 14 2008, 10:29 PM)
Try this...
Light speed is a measurement of physical speed. (i.e miles per hour, feet per second.) Computer code is NOT moving any physical distance... therefore saying code is moving at light speed is non-sensical.
You can measure the "speed" of a processor, but it's measured in cycles per second. (i.e. 3 GHZ) But this has nothing to do with how fast (efficient) the "code" is.
So you may want to think of a better way to word that if you don't want people calling you an idiot.
And if you want anybody to believe that you physically moved faster than light... don't be shocked when they ask you to pony up some proof, cowboy.
You couldnt do it. HAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Light speed is a measurement of physical speed. (i.e miles per hour, feet per second.) Computer code is NOT moving any physical distance... therefore saying code is moving at light speed is non-sensical.
You can measure the "speed" of a processor, but it's measured in cycles per second. (i.e. 3 GHZ) But this has nothing to do with how fast (efficient) the "code" is.
So you may want to think of a better way to word that if you don't want people calling you an idiot.
And if you want anybody to believe that you physically moved faster than light... don't be shocked when they ask you to pony up some proof, cowboy.
You couldnt do it. HAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 14 2008, 11:45 AM)
Actually the fiction is in your own perception and willingness to explore. There is in fact documented evidence:
http://www.farsight.org/
This forum is very difficult to use. (flood control and refresh) No offence. Thanks for not deleting the thread.
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 14 2008, 02:16 PM)
He has the right to say whatever he wants to say, we're not trying to take that away from him.
The right to be heard (or rather, the right to say what you want) DOES NOT equate to the right not to be criticized for what you just said!
Sorry voodoo, but your experience, as good as it may have been for you, IS NOT scientific PROOF of anything except your lack of understanding of science!
If you were to design an experiment to reproduce your experience, and were able to formulate and test a hypotheses, and to demonstrate through the observations that God is the best explanation for the results, then MAYBE you'd have a case. As of right now, all you have is a personal experience that (in your own words) "CONFIRMS" your preconceived notions of God.
What would you think if you saw the proof of everything I'm saying, followed the process from start to finish and saw that this has all been found and it is real?
Please answer this question with
A. Yes, I believe it now that I've seen it
or B. No, I still do not believe it.
just type A or B.
Thank you.
The right to be heard (or rather, the right to say what you want) DOES NOT equate to the right not to be criticized for what you just said!
Sorry voodoo, but your experience, as good as it may have been for you, IS NOT scientific PROOF of anything except your lack of understanding of science!
If you were to design an experiment to reproduce your experience, and were able to formulate and test a hypotheses, and to demonstrate through the observations that God is the best explanation for the results, then MAYBE you'd have a case. As of right now, all you have is a personal experience that (in your own words) "CONFIRMS" your preconceived notions of God.
What would you think if you saw the proof of everything I'm saying, followed the process from start to finish and saw that this has all been found and it is real?
Please answer this question with
A. Yes, I believe it now that I've seen it
or B. No, I still do not believe it.
just type A or B.
Thank you.
QUOTE (tikay+Oct 14 2008, 04:35 PM)
Good answers, I have not looked into the remote viewing site much...but maybe later, I have lost my drivers license...and must deal with the mundane things of life today, for a bit. I went to DMV to find my Insurance company had not yet been recognized by DMV, and I will have to go back after some phone dance.
The fact that the Title of this thread is something about Scientific Proof of God...is a mistake i would reckon...maybe that was the first mistake on OP's part. The second being that he trusted anyone to treat him with honor...well a few of us will.
The worst mistake I suppose. is his thinking that anyone will go out of their way to investigate this by the almost archaic (to some minds) letter writing campaign...
Even I am not that interested to find out if something that should be disclosed to public records has occurred in Japan. I am really quite lazy when it come to attacking such problems. I want things to be available to me here, when I come here...or in a link or...forget about it. This is my leisure time, and I want it to be leisurely.
Sorry if it seems like I am a watchdog for people who have untested theories, but is it written anywhere that people cannot bring unproven hypothesis to this forum?
I just believe in honor for people as I said previous....and yes i am even nice to the homeless...well with the exception of Mr. Robin Parsons...perhaps, now if you want to recall a real pain...there was one.
I am off to do business...nice to see more civility in here.
Tracey
I wish I had your patience. Usually I spot an idiot right away and nip it, aggressively, in the bud. Waiting, educating and taking the high road is a much better approach, albeit time consuming.
"The fact that the Title of this thread is something about Scientific Proof of God...is a mistake i would reckon...maybe that was the first mistake on OP's part."
No its not.
"The second being that he trusted anyone to treat him with honor"
Yes it was.
"a few of us will"
about 6.
"The worst mistake I suppose. is his thinking that anyone will go out of their way to investigate this by the almost archaic (to some minds) letter writing campaign..."
Think of what I'm saying. It is worth a lot more than going out of your way. Also, I have informed the majority of the planet through this archaic means. If you were in my situation what would you do?
Thanks for improving the civility.
The fact that the Title of this thread is something about Scientific Proof of God...is a mistake i would reckon...maybe that was the first mistake on OP's part. The second being that he trusted anyone to treat him with honor...well a few of us will.
The worst mistake I suppose. is his thinking that anyone will go out of their way to investigate this by the almost archaic (to some minds) letter writing campaign...
Even I am not that interested to find out if something that should be disclosed to public records has occurred in Japan. I am really quite lazy when it come to attacking such problems. I want things to be available to me here, when I come here...or in a link or...forget about it. This is my leisure time, and I want it to be leisurely.
Sorry if it seems like I am a watchdog for people who have untested theories, but is it written anywhere that people cannot bring unproven hypothesis to this forum?
I just believe in honor for people as I said previous....and yes i am even nice to the homeless...well with the exception of Mr. Robin Parsons...perhaps, now if you want to recall a real pain...there was one.
I am off to do business...nice to see more civility in here.
Tracey
I wish I had your patience. Usually I spot an idiot right away and nip it, aggressively, in the bud. Waiting, educating and taking the high road is a much better approach, albeit time consuming.
"The fact that the Title of this thread is something about Scientific Proof of God...is a mistake i would reckon...maybe that was the first mistake on OP's part."
No its not.
"The second being that he trusted anyone to treat him with honor"
Yes it was.
"a few of us will"
about 6.
"The worst mistake I suppose. is his thinking that anyone will go out of their way to investigate this by the almost archaic (to some minds) letter writing campaign..."
Think of what I'm saying. It is worth a lot more than going out of your way. Also, I have informed the majority of the planet through this archaic means. If you were in my situation what would you do?
Thanks for improving the civility.
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 14 2008, 01:54 PM)
(Boneidol @ Oct 14 2008, 11:45 AM)
Actually, as always, the fiction is in what you consider to be documented evidence. My perception and willingness to explore are fine, I just don't waste them on obvious fakery or gobbledegoop like the meanings you give to Merkaba. In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work.
Grumpy
"My perception and willingness to explore are fine"
"In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work."
Isn't that a complete and utter contradiction?
This is my first thread on the internet. I have observed that some people always have something to contribute. Other people like grumpy and argyll seem to be like a void or something. Nothing, positive or negative comes out of them. Interesting.
Actually, as always, the fiction is in what you consider to be documented evidence. My perception and willingness to explore are fine, I just don't waste them on obvious fakery or gobbledegoop like the meanings you give to Merkaba. In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work.
Grumpy
"My perception and willingness to explore are fine"
"In fact the meaningless gibberish of the OP reminded me of the meaningless gibberish in your work."
Isn't that a complete and utter contradiction?
This is my first thread on the internet. I have observed that some people always have something to contribute. Other people like grumpy and argyll seem to be like a void or something. Nothing, positive or negative comes out of them. Interesting.
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 14 2008, 05:12 PM)
This response is so YOU Grumpy. Your fellow sleepers will no doubt be nodding in agreement, without actually knowing the truth of the matter.
As for Professer Brown and his work, I'll find out for myself. The man claims there is years of research into remote viewing, and that it is complying to scientific rigor. I've seen a couple of the videos on there and read part of the first chapter of the free bit of the book. It's sounding positive, and the figures show something beyond the 5 senses is at work.
The 25 years of PEAR research also throws up positive results in favour of consciousness influencing machinery. That was good enough for Princeton university to keep the project going. I think there is stuff happening outside the physical senses all the time. Eventually it will become scientifically quantifiable to the point where it will fall into the lazy guy's lap. And it will happen because people like me don't listen to people like you.:-)
You already have a terminal problem about it? Gmilam? Done any research, apart from the snippet of stuff you sent in? What are the "curious" grounds? He claims to have ploughed in thousands of dollars into the site. His own money in order to keep the research going. How about you Occidental, already understand the documented evidence? I seriously doubt it. As always one is hit by the lazy guy's snorts about anything that happens to be outside his comfort zone.
It will never fall into your laps. Things and insights happen through effort.
nice
As for Professer Brown and his work, I'll find out for myself. The man claims there is years of research into remote viewing, and that it is complying to scientific rigor. I've seen a couple of the videos on there and read part of the first chapter of the free bit of the book. It's sounding positive, and the figures show something beyond the 5 senses is at work.
The 25 years of PEAR research also throws up positive results in favour of consciousness influencing machinery. That was good enough for Princeton university to keep the project going. I think there is stuff happening outside the physical senses all the time. Eventually it will become scientifically quantifiable to the point where it will fall into the lazy guy's lap. And it will happen because people like me don't listen to people like you.:-)
You already have a terminal problem about it? Gmilam? Done any research, apart from the snippet of stuff you sent in? What are the "curious" grounds? He claims to have ploughed in thousands of dollars into the site. His own money in order to keep the research going. How about you Occidental, already understand the documented evidence? I seriously doubt it. As always one is hit by the lazy guy's snorts about anything that happens to be outside his comfort zone.
It will never fall into your laps. Things and insights happen through effort.
nice
QUOTE (Argyll+Oct 14 2008, 05:15 PM)
I'm not at all objecting to an untested hypothesis. As a matter of fact, this would be an EXCELLENT place to bring an untested hypothesis, IF the poster approaches the matter with humility, as a request for discussion as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing.
What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence or assumes that the poster's interpretation of the evidence is sensible, rational, and correct, when in fact that interpretation or evidence depends heavily on the reader (or poster's) preheld conceptions and beliefs. I especially object to posters, like the OP, who string together buzzwords as if they hold some valid meaning, and expect us to accept their bizarre ramblings as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!
Anyway, I'm done here. Voodoo, good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis. We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach.
"this would be an EXCELLENT place to bring an untested hypothesis"
I agree
"IF the poster approaches the matter with humility"
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
" as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing."
You should have that ability now along with everybody else. I wish I could provide it now. Help me to provide it?
"What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence"
I have informed you where the proof is, who contractually owns it, and I have even suggested a means for you to acquire it. (by doing nothing. its like a zen boycott)
"I especially object to posters, like the OP, who string together buzzwords as if they hold some valid meaning"
What buzzwords? Red hat thinking, words like that? What do you mean?
"as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!"
Yes they do! The proof has been found!
"good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis."
Like I have been saying, I'm not a scientist. I cant repeat these experiments but I have told you the company that can.
"We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach."
If you did something about it you could try to repeat and verify all of this yourself.
"Anyway, I'm done here"
I was going to say 'good riddance' but instead I will take the high road and say, peace be with you.
What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence or assumes that the poster's interpretation of the evidence is sensible, rational, and correct, when in fact that interpretation or evidence depends heavily on the reader (or poster's) preheld conceptions and beliefs. I especially object to posters, like the OP, who string together buzzwords as if they hold some valid meaning, and expect us to accept their bizarre ramblings as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!
Anyway, I'm done here. Voodoo, good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis. We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach.
"this would be an EXCELLENT place to bring an untested hypothesis"
I agree
"IF the poster approaches the matter with humility"
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
" as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing."
You should have that ability now along with everybody else. I wish I could provide it now. Help me to provide it?
"What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence"
I have informed you where the proof is, who contractually owns it, and I have even suggested a means for you to acquire it. (by doing nothing. its like a zen boycott)
"I especially object to posters, like the OP, who string together buzzwords as if they hold some valid meaning"
What buzzwords? Red hat thinking, words like that? What do you mean?
"as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!"
Yes they do! The proof has been found!
"good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis."
Like I have been saying, I'm not a scientist. I cant repeat these experiments but I have told you the company that can.
"We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach."
If you did something about it you could try to repeat and verify all of this yourself.
"Anyway, I'm done here"
I was going to say 'good riddance' but instead I will take the high road and say, peace be with you.
QUOTE (Inkaat+Oct 14 2008, 05:46 PM)
There is no such thing as an open minded lawyer, they are all crooks ready and willing to bleed white any unfortunate being who comes within their grasp. Neither they nor their bosses the High Court judges seem to realise that there is no justice for the poor. On second thoughts I take that back, of course they know, they just don't care.
If I was a lawyer there would be an invoice attached to this comment that bears no relation to anything except greed.
haha. I think lawyers could be classed as people who will do ANYTHING for a price. Hopefully I'm wrong and one might surprise us all, represent me, and get the forward momentum going.
Nice and bitter. You were burned? Me too!
QUOTE (Sinister Utopia+Oct 14 2008, 10:31 PM)
Well then why don't you make it easier for all concerned and provide the proof you claim exists. Simply repeating that you've seen the proof ain't proof. Listing Japanese business corporations doesn't make your claim more authentic.
Incidentally I re-read one of your earlier lists which has the name of someone who I happen to be a friend of a friend of a friend of. It would probably only take a few calls and I could test your claim
Would you like me to do that for you?
"Well then why don't you make it easier for all concerned and provide the proof you claim exists."
Cant you see that, that is exactly what I'm doing? I am having difficulty because I dont know anything about international employment law. I have been asking for advice on this issue for 6 months, nobody has provided any. I am seeking legal advice here in Ireland but it is not easy. Help me? Think of what you could achieve with this scientific progress alone, not considering it also involves the proof that God exists. (assuming you are a scientist who could actually use it)
"Simply repeating that you've seen the proof ain't proof"
Relating this information is all I can do for the moment.
"Listing Japanese business corporations doesn't make your claim more authentic."
I know, but now you know where the proof is and who stole it.
"Incidentally I re-read one of your earlier lists which has the name of someone who I happen to be a friend of a friend of a friend of. It would probably only take a few calls and I could test your claim
PLEASE DO!
YES! Thats the whole idea
Incidentally I re-read one of your earlier lists which has the name of someone who I happen to be a friend of a friend of a friend of. It would probably only take a few calls and I could test your claim
Would you like me to do that for you?
"Well then why don't you make it easier for all concerned and provide the proof you claim exists."
Cant you see that, that is exactly what I'm doing? I am having difficulty because I dont know anything about international employment law. I have been asking for advice on this issue for 6 months, nobody has provided any. I am seeking legal advice here in Ireland but it is not easy. Help me? Think of what you could achieve with this scientific progress alone, not considering it also involves the proof that God exists. (assuming you are a scientist who could actually use it)
"Simply repeating that you've seen the proof ain't proof"
Relating this information is all I can do for the moment.
"Listing Japanese business corporations doesn't make your claim more authentic."
I know, but now you know where the proof is and who stole it.
"Incidentally I re-read one of your earlier lists which has the name of someone who I happen to be a friend of a friend of a friend of. It would probably only take a few calls and I could test your claim
PLEASE DO!
YES! Thats the whole idea
My apologies for repeating this post but I feel its important.
What would you think if you saw the proof of everything I'm saying, followed the process from start to finish and saw that this has all been found and it is real?
Please answer this question with
A. Yes, I believe it now that I've seen it
or B. No, I still do not believe it.
just type A or B.
Thank you.
What would you think if you saw the proof of everything I'm saying, followed the process from start to finish and saw that this has all been found and it is real?
Please answer this question with
A. Yes, I believe it now that I've seen it
or B. No, I still do not believe it.
just type A or B.
Thank you.
VDChile
You can probably get a lawyer to help you fill out the voluntary commitment papers Pro Bono(For the Good, be it of society or the nutcase him/herself), just show him some of your posts here.
Grumpy
You can probably get a lawyer to help you fill out the voluntary commitment papers Pro Bono(For the Good, be it of society or the nutcase him/herself), just show him some of your posts here.
Grumpy
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 15 2008, 12:58 AM)
VDChile
You can probably get a lawyer to help you fill out the voluntary commitment papers Pro Bono(For the Good, be it of society or the nutcase him/herself), just show him some of your posts here.
Grumpy
You a waste of time and I'm not the only one on this forum who thinks so. I wont be responding to any more of your comments. later
You can probably get a lawyer to help you fill out the voluntary commitment papers Pro Bono(For the Good, be it of society or the nutcase him/herself), just show him some of your posts here.
Grumpy
You a waste of time and I'm not the only one on this forum who thinks so. I wont be responding to any more of your comments. later
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 12:45 AM)
My apologies for repeating this post but I feel its important.
What would you think if you saw the proof of everything I'm saying, followed the process from start to finish and saw that this has all been found and it is real?
I would first seek medical attention to investigate these potential causes.
What would you think if you saw the proof of everything I'm saying, followed the process from start to finish and saw that this has all been found and it is real?
I would first seek medical attention to investigate these potential causes.
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There are many causes of hallucinations, including:
Being drunk or high, or coming down from such drugs as marijuana, LSD, cocaine or crack, heroin, and alcohol
Delirium or dementia
Fever, especially in children and the elderly
Sensory problem, such as blindness or deafness
Severe illness, including liver failure, kidney failure, and brain cancer
Some psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia, psychotic depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003258.htm
Being drunk or high, or coming down from such drugs as marijuana, LSD, cocaine or crack, heroin, and alcohol
Delirium or dementia
Fever, especially in children and the elderly
Sensory problem, such as blindness or deafness
Severe illness, including liver failure, kidney failure, and brain cancer
Some psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia, psychotic depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003258.htm
VDchile
You can tell a lot about a person by the quality(or the lack thereof) of the nutcases that won't acknowledge his existence.
Don't think for one minute that the fact that you ignore me will cause me to cease pointing and laughing at the truly idiotic trash you are pushing. Nor does your(or any other nutcases')opinion of me hurt my feelings one little bit. In fact the unanswered posts I will make are just made more effective by your silence(something ALL the nutcases fail to understand).
The OP is a complete fabrication. Throwing in some "sciency" words does not improve the smell of this pile of garbage. If you actually believe it, you need serious psychiatric help, if you know it is a fabrication, you are simply a liar. There is no "win" for you here.
Grumpy
You can tell a lot about a person by the quality(or the lack thereof) of the nutcases that won't acknowledge his existence.
Don't think for one minute that the fact that you ignore me will cause me to cease pointing and laughing at the truly idiotic trash you are pushing. Nor does your(or any other nutcases')opinion of me hurt my feelings one little bit. In fact the unanswered posts I will make are just made more effective by your silence(something ALL the nutcases fail to understand).
The OP is a complete fabrication. Throwing in some "sciency" words does not improve the smell of this pile of garbage. If you actually believe it, you need serious psychiatric help, if you know it is a fabrication, you are simply a liar. There is no "win" for you here.
Grumpy
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 15 2008, 11:31 AM)
Grumpy Posted: Today at 11:45 AM
Negative Boneheaded cretin.
Hey Occidental, hope you are reading this. Here is one reason why I still want to be part of Physorg. You see I really don't believe life belongs to the "nasties". I just want to be here when the time comes for some simple truth to be shoved up someone like Grumpy's butt, as a cleansing agent.
Negative Boneheaded cretin.
Hey Occidental, hope you are reading this. Here is one reason why I still want to be part of Physorg. You see I really don't believe life belongs to the "nasties". I just want to be here when the time comes for some simple truth to be shoved up someone like Grumpy's butt, as a cleansing agent.
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 15 2008, 11:58 AM)
Hey Occidental, hope you are reading this. Here is one reason why I still want to be part of Physorg. You see I really don't believe life belongs to the "nasties". I just want to be here when the time comes for some simple truth to be shoved up someone like Grumpy's butt, as a cleansing agent.
Right. Except you got banned from this forum, multiple times, for being nasty. Whats up with that, Mirror Man? And why do you want to shove things up someone's butt? Is that what you think is an appropriate response to someone who disagrees with you? Sounds nasty to me...
Right. Except you got banned from this forum, multiple times, for being nasty. Whats up with that, Mirror Man? And why do you want to shove things up someone's butt? Is that what you think is an appropriate response to someone who disagrees with you? Sounds nasty to me...
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 14 2008, 06:03 PM)
You couldnt do it. HAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
When I was a little boy I thought that I might be able to turn the light switch off and then be in bed before the light went out.
I almost made it a time or two. It was so close.
When I was a little boy I thought that I might be able to turn the light switch off and then be in bed before the light went out.
I almost made it a time or two. It was so close.
QUOTE (occidental+Oct 15 2008, 12:13 PM)
Right. Except you got banned from this forum, multiple times, for being nasty. Whats up with that, Mirror Man? And why do you want to shove things up someone's butt? Is that what you think is an appropriate response to someone who disagrees with you? Sounds nasty to me...
That response from you is exactly why I ain't shifting from here till balance has been achieved.:-))
You go on about me being banned for being nasty. Ok, mirroman swore and expressed anger at the bullying tactics and arrogant bleats from the likes of you, Grumpy, NOM and a few other mafiosi. You seem to have such a fixed opinion about my "nasty" behaviour. But I have never seen you get critical of the real nasties around here. Conclusion? This is just Occidental, part of the psych out crew. Well carry on. But carry on as a disgrace to real scientific attitude buddy.
Again, you bypass your collegues nasty feedback remark, and every other nasty remark he makes. He doesn't get it back as much as he deserves, because the difference between me and him is that if he refrains from his nasty remarks I will be as friendly to him as is necessary. Remember that differnece Occidental. I got you and your mates sussed. The illusion can happen at places like here. You wouldn't have the guts to carry on this conversation with a real group of people in real life.
That response from you is exactly why I ain't shifting from here till balance has been achieved.:-))
You go on about me being banned for being nasty. Ok, mirroman swore and expressed anger at the bullying tactics and arrogant bleats from the likes of you, Grumpy, NOM and a few other mafiosi. You seem to have such a fixed opinion about my "nasty" behaviour. But I have never seen you get critical of the real nasties around here. Conclusion? This is just Occidental, part of the psych out crew. Well carry on. But carry on as a disgrace to real scientific attitude buddy.
Again, you bypass your collegues nasty feedback remark, and every other nasty remark he makes. He doesn't get it back as much as he deserves, because the difference between me and him is that if he refrains from his nasty remarks I will be as friendly to him as is necessary. Remember that differnece Occidental. I got you and your mates sussed. The illusion can happen at places like here. You wouldn't have the guts to carry on this conversation with a real group of people in real life.
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"IF the poster approaches the matter with humility"
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
The lack of humility is displayed in your assertion that your experience is absolute and unquestionable proof. This attitude has nothing to do with prior criticism you may have received.
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| "IF the poster approaches the matter with humility" |
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
The lack of humility is displayed in your assertion that your experience is absolute and unquestionable proof. This attitude has nothing to do with prior criticism you may have received.
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" as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing."
You should have that ability now along with everybody else. I wish I could provide it now. Help me to provide it?
Except you have already claimed to have evaluated the results of your experience, and are ignoring any criticism of that evaluation. You want real scientific help? Ok, make a statement that is testable. Don't worry about how to test it yet, start with simply your claim, your idea. For example, "If X, then God exists". Fill in 'X'. We can then look at that claim, see if it has merit, and if it does then we can start thinking about how to test it. We can't do anything until you give us that X.
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" as to how that hypothesis should be tested, and how to evaluate the results of any such testing." |
You should have that ability now along with everybody else. I wish I could provide it now. Help me to provide it?
Except you have already claimed to have evaluated the results of your experience, and are ignoring any criticism of that evaluation. You want real scientific help? Ok, make a statement that is testable. Don't worry about how to test it yet, start with simply your claim, your idea. For example, "If X, then God exists". Fill in 'X'. We can then look at that claim, see if it has merit, and if it does then we can start thinking about how to test it. We can't do anything until you give us that X.
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"What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence"
I have informed you where the proof is, who contractually owns it, and I have even suggested a means for you to acquire it. (by doing nothing. its like a zen boycott)
No. You have come in with a story that YOU THINK is proof, and you have been informed that it is not. You had an experience, almost certainly meaningful to you, but IRRELEVANT to SCIENCE. The PROOF that you mention is not in Japan, it is in your head. The experience you had during testing is your "proof", but I'm sorry it is not scientifically valid.
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| "What I DO object to is people like the OP coming in, making a statement with absolute certainty, when the statement has no supporting evidence" |
I have informed you where the proof is, who contractually owns it, and I have even suggested a means for you to acquire it. (by doing nothing. its like a zen boycott)
No. You have come in with a story that YOU THINK is proof, and you have been informed that it is not. You had an experience, almost certainly meaningful to you, but IRRELEVANT to SCIENCE. The PROOF that you mention is not in Japan, it is in your head. The experience you had during testing is your "proof", but I'm sorry it is not scientifically valid.
What buzzwords? Red hat thinking, words like that? What do you mean?
Buzzwords like "move at the speed of light", "run equations in 3 dimensions", "broke through the fabric of space-time", "unfinished system of inertia", etc. It has been explained to you that saying that "code runs at the speed of light" is nonsensical - the units for measuring the speed of light and the units for measuring the speed of code are different - but you seem to have missed this point. Calculating equations in 3 dimensions? We do this every day with code running at normal speeds on our normal computers. So what. "Broke through the fabric of space-time" - so, what, you and your lab turned into a singularity? How'd you make it back? These are all buzzword statements, and they are meaningless nonsense.
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"as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!"
Yes they do! The proof has been found!
No. Again, what you experienced was not proof of anything. Your words are nonsense, as I described above.
You repeat over and over that the system of inertia was shaped like a cross and that this "symbolizes what it took for him to go through with his own crucifixion." You also suggest that the presence of a halo around the car, unseen or unknown until you suggested that it was there, and that the "weight of the car is shaped like a pair of balls" are somehow "confirmation that the light I saw was God and the person sitting to his right was Jesus." Sorry, but not only is this NOT the most likely explanation, this IS you projecting your beliefs onto your results. You are looking at the evidence (your experience) and saying, "how can my experience confirm my beliefs?" Sorry, that's not how science works. Science looks at the evidence and asks "what does the evidence mean, where does it lead me". There is nothing in your experience that even suggests a connection to God unless you presuppose that the connection is there.
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| "as though they hold the secret to the universe when in fact they are purely nonsensical!" |
Yes they do! The proof has been found!
No. Again, what you experienced was not proof of anything. Your words are nonsense, as I described above.
You repeat over and over that the system of inertia was shaped like a cross and that this "symbolizes what it took for him to go through with his own crucifixion." You also suggest that the presence of a halo around the car, unseen or unknown until you suggested that it was there, and that the "weight of the car is shaped like a pair of balls" are somehow "confirmation that the light I saw was God and the person sitting to his right was Jesus." Sorry, but not only is this NOT the most likely explanation, this IS you projecting your beliefs onto your results. You are looking at the evidence (your experience) and saying, "how can my experience confirm my beliefs?" Sorry, that's not how science works. Science looks at the evidence and asks "what does the evidence mean, where does it lead me". There is nothing in your experience that even suggests a connection to God unless you presuppose that the connection is there.
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"good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis."
Like I have been saying, I'm not a scientist. I cant repeat these experiments but I have told you the company that can.
Sure, that company can repeat the tests of their product. They CANNOT conduct a scientific test of the hypothesis that you hold in your head. Neither can anyone else, until you produce that hypothesis.
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| "good luck formulating a coherent hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis." |
Like I have been saying, I'm not a scientist. I cant repeat these experiments but I have told you the company that can.
Sure, that company can repeat the tests of their product. They CANNOT conduct a scientific test of the hypothesis that you hold in your head. Neither can anyone else, until you produce that hypothesis.
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"We'll see you next time when you come back with repeatable and verifiable results, and then we'll look at the conclusions you reach."
If you did something about it you could try to repeat and verify all of this yourself.
The burden of proof is on you, not on us. It is you that must form the coherent hypothesis as the first step. Once you think you have something, let us know and we'll see if it has merit. Then and only then can we even begin to think about how to test it.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 12:14 AM)
"IF the poster approaches the matter with humility"
Fair comment but please consider the circumstances under which I have to relate this information and the gravity of what I'm saying and the amount of *** I've had to endure, during this process and after.
Argyll has made a few good points in his last couple of posts. But forget about his assertion regarding humility. You owe nothing of any sort to people that are quick to scorn. Sure respect anyone that makes a well thought out point , as an aid to good constructive criticism.
I'm still not exactly sure about your whole experience, but I have been thinking about it a bit. Would you consider, for example, that you experienced what Carl Jung would call Archetypes? I'm specifically referring to , once you had seen another dimension, you describing God and Jesus. All experiences are aspects of Self. A Muslim may have seen Allah and Mohammed. A red Indian may have seen the great Buffalo. Me I guess I'd have seen Hendrix and Janis Joplin doing a celestial gig.:-)
Describe the experience more in depth if you want.
Another problem for me, is the fact that so much is made out of right hand and left hand. I don't believe God is a person , as such. Which is why I would argue that your experience is an aspect of Self, and I also go along with the view that other dimensions exist. Things like astral bodies and souls are not something I would immediately throw narrow-minded criticism at.
The least you will gain from this experience is the motivation to tread some out of the box thinking. On a positive note, this scornful opposition you may experience will do wonders in teaching you how to produce suitable answers for the skeptics. It will prime your mind, and a good bit of refinement through that fire is painful but essential.
I still don't understand the code being read at the speed of light. Do you mean a software program with the ability to loop code at such a speed?
QUOTE (Capracus+Oct 15 2008, 01:57 AM)
I would first seek medical attention to investigate these potential causes.
You couldnt answer the question. You only needed to type one letter. Sad.
You couldnt answer the question. You only needed to type one letter. Sad.
You couldnt answer the question. You only needed to type one letter. Sad.
You couldnt answer the question. You only needed to type one letter. Sad.
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 15 2008, 11:58 AM)
Hey Occidental, hope you are reading this. Here is one reason why I still want to be part of Physorg. You see I really don't believe life belongs to the "nasties". I just want to be here when the time comes for some simple truth to be shoved up someone like Grumpy's butt, as a cleansing agent.
Oxy cool.
That opportunity is really there. I'm just sorry it has come from me under these circumstances.
Oxy cool.
That opportunity is really there. I'm just sorry it has come from me under these circumstances.
QUOTE (occidental+Oct 15 2008, 12:13 PM)
Right. Except you got banned from this forum, multiple times, for being nasty. Whats up with that, Mirror Man? And why do you want to shove things up someone's butt? Is that what you think is an appropriate response to someone who disagrees with you? Sounds nasty to me...
Sometimes passion can boil over and appear to be nasty. Progress is never easy and there are always people with something negative to say. The only people I can think of who were passionate and positive until the end were Jesus and Ghandi. Can you really criticise somebody for not being that positive and patient?
Sometimes passion can boil over and appear to be nasty. Progress is never easy and there are always people with something negative to say. The only people I can think of who were passionate and positive until the end were Jesus and Ghandi. Can you really criticise somebody for not being that positive and patient?
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 15 2008, 12:19 PM)
When I was a little boy I thought that I might be able to turn the light switch off and then be in bed before the light went out.
I almost made it a time or two. It was so close.
The funny thing is you edited that post to make it better. Time well spent.
I almost made it a time or two. It was so close.
The funny thing is you edited that post to make it better. Time well spent.
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 15 2008, 01:20 PM)
That response from you is exactly why I ain't shifting from here till balance has been achieved.:-))
You go on about me being banned for being nasty. Ok, mirroman swore and expressed anger at the bullying tactics and arrogant bleats from the likes of you, Grumpy, NOM and a few other mafiosi. You seem to have such a fixed opinion about my "nasty" behaviour. But I have never seen you get critical of the real nasties around here. Conclusion? This is just Occidental, part of the psych out crew. Well carry on. But carry on as a disgrace to real scientific attitude buddy.
Again, you bypass your collegues nasty feedback remark, and every other nasty remark he makes. He doesn't get it back as much as he deserves, because the difference between me and him is that if he refrains from his nasty remarks I will be as friendly to him as is necessary. Remember that differnece Occidental. I got you and your mates sussed. The illusion can happen at places like here. You wouldn't have the guts to carry on this conversation with a real group of people in real life.
NICE!
You go on about me being banned for being nasty. Ok, mirroman swore and expressed anger at the bullying tactics and arrogant bleats from the likes of you, Grumpy, NOM and a few other mafiosi. You seem to have such a fixed opinion about my "nasty" behaviour. But I have never seen you get critical of the real nasties around here. Conclusion? This is just Occidental, part of the psych out crew. Well carry on. But carry on as a disgrace to real scientific attitude buddy.
Again, you bypass your collegues nasty feedback remark, and every other nasty remark he makes. He doesn't get it back as much as he deserves, because the difference between me and him is that if he refrains from his nasty remarks I will be as friendly to him as is necessary. Remember that differnece Occidental. I got you and your mates sussed. The illusion can happen at places like here. You wouldn't have the guts to carry on this conversation with a real group of people in real life.
NICE!
QUOTE (Boneidol+Oct 15 2008, 03:06 PM)
Argyll has made a few good points in his last couple of posts. But forget about his assertion regarding humility. You owe nothing of any sort to people that are quick to scorn. Sure respect anyone that makes a well thought out point , as an aid to good constructive criticism.
I'm still not exactly sure about your whole experience, but I have been thinking about it a bit. Would you consider, for example, that you experienced what Carl Jung would call Archetypes? I'm specifically referring to , once you had seen another dimension, you describing God and Jesus. All experiences are aspects of Self. A Muslim may have seen Allah and Mohammed. A red Indian may have seen the great Buffalo. Me I guess I'd have seen Hendrix and Janis Joplin doing a celestial gig.:-)
Describe the experience more in depth if you want.
Another problem for me, is the fact that so much is made out of right hand and left hand. I don't believe God is a person , as such. Which is why I would argue that your experience is an aspect of Self, and I also go along with the view that other dimensions exist. Things like astral bodies and souls are not something I would immediately throw narrow-minded criticism at.
The least you will gain from this experience is the motivation to tread some out of the box thinking. On a positive note, this scornful opposition you may experience will do wonders in teaching you how to produce suitable answers for the skeptics. It will prime your mind, and a good bit of refinement through that fire is painful but essential.
I still don't understand the code being read at the speed of light. Do you mean a software program with the ability to loop code at such a speed?
"as an aid to good constructive criticism."
In my opinion, there has been very little or no constructive criticism. Most people are just not believing it full stop. I can understand this because I know exactly what I'm saying but I dont feel I should apologise or stop just vecause the majority doesnt believe me. (or anybody)
"I'm specifically referring to , once you had seen another dimension, you describing God and Jesus. All experiences are aspects of Self. A Muslim may have seen Allah and Mohammed. A red Indian may have seen the great Buffalo. Me I guess I'd have seen Hendrix and Janis Joplin doing a celestial gig.:-)"
Right after it happened. I was fully aware that the light is all powerful. Nothing is above the light, nothing can compare to it. I observed a very strong relationship between the person sitting down and the light. I was looking at this person and this person was looking at me. The last thing that happened was, I asked who are you? At that point it stopped and the light returned the way it came. It would have been a very big thing for me to say it was Jesus, not having got an answer to this question, but as I explained the cross was found and it answered that question. So basically these individuals were number 1 and number 2. The cross confirmed who they were. If there had been a cross visible during this time, I would have had no doubt who they were.
"Describe the experience more in depth if you want."
I can make it possible to completely recreate what I saw in the light, step by step, in the simulation.
"I don't believe God is a person , as such."
Yes he is. An perfect entity, who has made himself less perfect so that you and me can exist.
"Things like astral bodies and souls are not something I would immediately throw narrow-minded criticism at."
I was light for a time. I believe I was a soul and a mind. That is what we all truely are.
"The least you will gain from this experience is the motivation to tread some out of the box thinking."
Progress is progress.
"On a positive note, this scornful opposition you may experience will do wonders in teaching you how to produce suitable answers for the skeptics. It will prime your mind, and a good bit of refinement through that fire is painful but essential."
When I first told people I know in person, I shook.
"I still don't understand the code being read at the speed of light. Do you mean a software program with the ability to loop code at such a speed?"
I realise how hard this is to describe, but to understand what happened exactly, you would just need to look at it and see how it expanded and how it looked after C. One of the scientists involved could explain how mathematics could then be employed.
Perfect attitude. Much appreciated regardless of wether you believe me or not but I guarantee you it is all true.
*** these circumstances and the old fool responsible. My apologies for the language.
*Also, I did not believe in God, Jesus, anybody or anything before this happened. So what I saw was objective.
I'm still not exactly sure about your whole experience, but I have been thinking about it a bit. Would you consider, for example, that you experienced what Carl Jung would call Archetypes? I'm specifically referring to , once you had seen another dimension, you describing God and Jesus. All experiences are aspects of Self. A Muslim may have seen Allah and Mohammed. A red Indian may have seen the great Buffalo. Me I guess I'd have seen Hendrix and Janis Joplin doing a celestial gig.:-)
Describe the experience more in depth if you want.
Another problem for me, is the fact that so much is made out of right hand and left hand. I don't believe God is a person , as such. Which is why I would argue that your experience is an aspect of Self, and I also go along with the view that other dimensions exist. Things like astral bodies and souls are not something I would immediately throw narrow-minded criticism at.
The least you will gain from this experience is the motivation to tread some out of the box thinking. On a positive note, this scornful opposition you may experience will do wonders in teaching you how to produce suitable answers for the skeptics. It will prime your mind, and a good bit of refinement through that fire is painful but essential.
I still don't understand the code being read at the speed of light. Do you mean a software program with the ability to loop code at such a speed?
"as an aid to good constructive criticism."
In my opinion, there has been very little or no constructive criticism. Most people are just not believing it full stop. I can understand this because I know exactly what I'm saying but I dont feel I should apologise or stop just vecause the majority doesnt believe me. (or anybody)
"I'm specifically referring to , once you had seen another dimension, you describing God and Jesus. All experiences are aspects of Self. A Muslim may have seen Allah and Mohammed. A red Indian may have seen the great Buffalo. Me I guess I'd have seen Hendrix and Janis Joplin doing a celestial gig.:-)"
Right after it happened. I was fully aware that the light is all powerful. Nothing is above the light, nothing can compare to it. I observed a very strong relationship between the person sitting down and the light. I was looking at this person and this person was looking at me. The last thing that happened was, I asked who are you? At that point it stopped and the light returned the way it came. It would have been a very big thing for me to say it was Jesus, not having got an answer to this question, but as I explained the cross was found and it answered that question. So basically these individuals were number 1 and number 2. The cross confirmed who they were. If there had been a cross visible during this time, I would have had no doubt who they were.
"Describe the experience more in depth if you want."
I can make it possible to completely recreate what I saw in the light, step by step, in the simulation.
"I don't believe God is a person , as such."
Yes he is. An perfect entity, who has made himself less perfect so that you and me can exist.
"Things like astral bodies and souls are not something I would immediately throw narrow-minded criticism at."
I was light for a time. I believe I was a soul and a mind. That is what we all truely are.
"The least you will gain from this experience is the motivation to tread some out of the box thinking."
Progress is progress.
"On a positive note, this scornful opposition you may experience will do wonders in teaching you how to produce suitable answers for the skeptics. It will prime your mind, and a good bit of refinement through that fire is painful but essential."
When I first told people I know in person, I shook.
"I still don't understand the code being read at the speed of light. Do you mean a software program with the ability to loop code at such a speed?"
I realise how hard this is to describe, but to understand what happened exactly, you would just need to look at it and see how it expanded and how it looked after C. One of the scientists involved could explain how mathematics could then be employed.
Perfect attitude. Much appreciated regardless of wether you believe me or not but I guarantee you it is all true.
*** these circumstances and the old fool responsible. My apologies for the language.
*Also, I did not believe in God, Jesus, anybody or anything before this happened. So what I saw was objective.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 10:32 AM)
The funny thing is you edited that post to make it better. Time well spent.
Correcting spelling is the least I can do to help your teeny little brain understand how ludicrous you sound.
Correcting spelling is the least I can do to help your teeny little brain understand how ludicrous you sound.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 15 2008, 05:34 PM)
Correcting spelling is the least I can do to help your teeny little brain understand how ludicrous you sound.
"The truth is what it is, irrespective of people's opinions. People's opinions are often wrong."
Correct spelling is about all you have.
"The truth is what it is, irrespective of people's opinions. People's opinions are often wrong."
Correct spelling is about all you have.
Wrong, I also have my sanity. That's something you seem to be lacking.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 03:20 PM)
You couldnt answer the question. You only needed to type one letter. Sad.
Apparently you didn't take my answer seriously. Sad.
Read it again and consider your options.
Apparently you didn't take my answer seriously. Sad.
Read it again and consider your options.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 08:21 PM)
Correct spelling is about all you have.
QUOTE (gmilam+Oct 15 2008, 08:48 PM)
Wrong, I also have my sanity. That's something you seem to be lacking.
"The truth is what it is, irrespective of people's opinions. People's opinions are often wrong."
"The truth is what it is, irrespective of people's opinions. People's opinions are often wrong."
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 10:11 PM)
"The truth is what it is, irrespective of people's opinions. People's opinions are often wrong."
Now apply that quote to your posts, idiot.
Now apply that quote to your posts, idiot.
QUOTE (Capracus+Oct 15 2008, 09:22 PM)
Apparently you didn't take my answer seriously. Sad.
Read it again and consider your options.
I did consider the options you provided but your narrow mind couldnt even write the possibility that this is true. I can only make the most of what I'm given. Consider the option that this is true and I'll consider anything you want.
Read it again and consider your options.
I did consider the options you provided but your narrow mind couldnt even write the possibility that this is true. I can only make the most of what I'm given. Consider the option that this is true and I'll consider anything you want.
QUOTE (vkamath+Sep 12 2008, 09:55 PM)
voodoochile,
That is a miracle. They should make you pope. Please travel to the Vatican immediately.
I have seen the Vatican art, truly magnificent. But for us tourists the facilities did not work at the time I was there. Its truly amazing how being one on one with a toilet that won't flush, can really ruin your day...
That is a miracle. They should make you pope. Please travel to the Vatican immediately.
I have seen the Vatican art, truly magnificent. But for us tourists the facilities did not work at the time I was there. Its truly amazing how being one on one with a toilet that won't flush, can really ruin your day...
QUOTE (TheDoc+Oct 15 2008, 09:25 PM)
"What do you have, voodoochile?...Now?"
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All the answers. Notice how complete my understanding is.
You want proof? I'm living proof. If there was no God, at C, I would have gone SPLAT!
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All the answers. Notice how complete my understanding is.
You want proof? I'm living proof. If there was no God, at C, I would have gone SPLAT!
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 10:21 PM)
All the answers. Notice how complete my understanding is.
Yes, idiot, we know your understanding is complete because the entire notion exists only in your scrambled excuse for a mind.
Prove it.
Yes, idiot, we know your understanding is complete because the entire notion exists only in your scrambled excuse for a mind.
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You want proof? I'm living proof. If there was no God, at C, I would have gone SPLAT!
Prove it.
QUOTE (voodoochile+Oct 15 2008, 10:21 PM)
All the answers. Notice how complete my understanding is.
You want proof? I'm living proof. If there was no God, at C, I would have gone SPLAT!
Ok, Ok, I believe you, now what?
You want proof? I'm living proof. If there was no God, at C, I would have gone SPLAT!
Ok, Ok, I believe you, now what?
QUOTE (TheDoc+Oct 15 2008, 10:14 PM)
Now apply that quote to your posts, idiot.
its like a magic roundabout, that quote. anyone can apply it to anything.
you would never in a million years have the balls to call me an idiot to my face. I have noticed that during this process and over the last 6 months that when people can pass comments without any fear of immediate consequences they always over step their mark.
its like a magic roundabout, that quote. anyone can apply it to anything.
you would never in a million years have the balls to call me an idiot to my face. I have noticed that during this process and over the last 6 months that when people can pass comments without any fear of immediate consequences they always over step their mark.
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