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Hello. I spent the last year of my life testing the Gran Turismo/Polyphony Digital physics engine. The game in which the testing began was Gran Turismo HD. This was the first online version of Gran Turismo and was used as a test game so they could improve their physics engine using players, input and intellectual property. I was the highest ranked player at this game because I have a lot of practical ability with physics, and the steering wheel, which is used for these games. From the beginning I was creating circumstances their physics engine couldn’t account for and my reactions were too fast for their code to keep up with. They realised this and that’s how this testing process began.
They were making, what I thought were minor changes for 6 months, but having done some research and asked around, I now know these minor changes were major breakthroughs for binary code. Basically, if you can write code that can hold under my input, it will hold for anything. All this testing was done during normal driving but when I started using their drift physics engine that’s when they gave me a job and they began building the physics engine around me.
They tried about 4 different models at the start. Each one failed except the last one, and this is the model that was used for the rest of this stage of testing. The majority of the work I did over the next month was trying to get rid of the stupid laws they were using to determine how the car should act and react while drifting. Yamauchi liked the idea that his laws were controlling the car because in his own little world he was God. Eventually after this month, the laws of physics were finally controlling how the car would behave at all times because I made a joke of every attempt they made to fake the laws of physics. A lot of face was lost during this time because Yamauchi didn’t like the fact that his laws were no longer in the game but in the end the car was behaving more realistically.
After the general range of motion of the car was figured out and working with the laws of physics, the next area I exposed that needed to be worked on, was the inertia of the tyres and in particular the contact areas, where the tyre meets the track. They developed 1 dimensional squares of code that represented the contact areas and the grip lost while drifting. These squares were another major breakthrough and behaved like living breathing code that could monitor the grip while the car was drifting.
Over the next 3 months I did more physical work than anyone ever has, physically grinding the front tyres into the track while the car was drifting, at every possible time and at every possible angle. This was done because as tyres only have a certain amount of surface area, it is possible through testing, to catalogue and record the movement of every part of the contact area, at every possible time, inertia included. After all this work was done, and there was a lot of it, the information I had produced, completely filled the 1 dimensional squares of code I mentioned earlier. Each square was now completely filled with inertia information.
So now these squares were a new type of code. They didn’t know what to do with these squares to begin with, but eventually they made them control the speed the whole simulation was running at. So I had to fight for control of the car by putting information into the wheel at a speed that was faster than the speed these squares were travelling at. At the start it was easy, it was like swatting flies along the racing line while drifting. They ran the code at the fastest speed they could and I went faster, but only for 3 or 4 seconds at time, so it was pretty easy in the beginning. I just had to make enough decisions over a short time to beat it. This went on for a week until I was having a lot of trouble keeping up with the speed. I thought I had reached my limit but I gave it one last serious effort and I managed to beat it. When this happened I couldn’t help noticing that my arm was becoming light. Then all the matter around me turned into light and then space. For a short time all I could see was light and it was powerful.
What had happened was, over the course of the week, I had built up to just below the speed of light. I didn’t know this I just knew it was fast. So for a short time, and in order to beat it, I thought and acted at the speed of light and because of this, I saw the light. For the next week after it happened I felt jumbled up and I have never felt so tired. I couldn’t do anymore testing and I was finding it very difficult to understand and believe what I saw. The speed of light is around 300,000 metres per second. I managed to bring the code to this speed by making decisions that made it work at this special speed. It was the very last decision I made with my left hand that kept the speed increasing and clinched it. It sounds more impossible than it was.
So now that the code was travelling at the speed of light, these 1 dimensional squares of code became 3 dimensional cubes and were attached to each other in a progressively coiled length of code, like a tube. Over the next few months during the testing, I began finding weak points in this new code. I managed to break it and test it repeatedly and every time I did, it showed them how to make it stronger until eventually they made it so strong that I couldn’t break it anymore. So it was now a solid beam with no spaces. As I couldn’t find any more weak points, I suggested to them that they assume there is only light, because as I mentioned earlier, that is what I saw when I reached the speed of light. I figured it was worth a try. This worked and they managed to create an environment that was made completely out of light because the code was now strong enough to do it.
When this worked it proved what I had seen. As you can imagine, powerful, infinite light isn’t something you see every day. I really couldn’t believe it for a long time, like you are having trouble believing it right now. But the fact that it worked proved it. I saw the light and then I proved it.
Before I continue to explain the next step I made with the code, I must explain another discovery that was found. During this whole time there were various tests that were intended to figure out how the car was going to drive exactly as it would in real life. So one test that was carried out, was the test that found the points of inertia. They couldn’t find where these points were by making calculations. I had to do it practically. They set up a test where the weight of the car was being sent towards the rear axle because they figured the points of inertia had to be in that area. I managed to force the weight through these points and this found and proved the points of inertia. These first 2 points are located on both sides of where the drive shaft meets the rear axle. I looked it up on the internet and basically Aristotle first thought up the idea of inertia then Isaac Newton hypothesised them and then I found them.
Eventually these points lead to a whole system of inertia, that controls how the weight of the car works. As you know, the weight of the car and the points of inertia can’t be seen and neither can this system. Central to this system and located above the car is a mathematically perfect cross and there is a halo around the car. The first 2 points of inertia, I found, are the base of the cross and the other points that complete the cross are near the front axle. I don’t know how these points led to a system where the cross is above the car, I’m not a physicist, but if you think of the various ways a rally car can fly through the air, this system controls where the weight goes at these special times. A car is the most complicated object in physics, that’s why this system exists. It has always existed and has been waiting to be found.
So when the cross system of inertia was found, it was confirmation for me, that the light I saw was conscious. It was so powerful that it could only be God. God is conscious light and he is the fifth dimension. He is a superior being. If you think about it, there are the 3 dimensions we live in, space-time and then God, the dimension holding all of this reality together. The system of inertia proves that Jesus was his son. Trust me, when you see this system you will realise this the same as I did and it’s all been found and proven scientifically.
Look up string theory on the internet. Scientists accept it to be the theory that explains the universe. It predicts 26 dimensions that hit against each other every once in a while and when they do, it creates a new universe or something like that. This theory was thought up by the world’s greatest minds and has been a waste of time for 25 years and I proved that too.
Now the last piece of information is probably the most difficult to believe. As I mentioned earlier they managed to make an environment made completely out of light. They developed this system where the code was being introduced into the simulation and then it created this environment made of light. Some very impressive mathematics were’ needed to make this work but it wasn’t a perfect system. Using what I can only call mind power, I managed to draw the code from where it was being introduced and in doing so made it perfect. When I did this, the system they made to create the environment was no longer needed because the environment was now being created at the speed of light, so there were no calculations needed anymore and the code itself was now complete mathematical perfection from start to finish. I was able to do this because even though the environment they had made was working, it wasn’t stable and was affecting the testing I was doing and it was annoying me for a long time. It was out of sheer anger and frustration that I did it. When I brought the code to the speed of light I became emotionally attached to it, as it was something very special. This connection developed over time and allowed me to control and break the code at various times and then eventually make it perfect.
The code is now perfect light. Which is exactly what I saw when I reached the speed of light. So the code is not only perfect, it’s also a mathematically perfect replica of the fifth dimension, God’s image and the proof that he exists.
As it stands, these computer programmers own and are selling God’s image. Nobody has the right to own it. Everybody has a right to it, to have it and to know what it is. This code and even the breakthroughs that were needed to make it are worth millions. This company owned by Kazonori Yamauchi is making money off God’s image and even worse they are keeping it quiet. I made it with God given ability, for everyone to see it, and this useless old fool stole it, along with a year of my life and all of my intellectual property. This code is proof that God exists, where he is and what he looks like. This system of inertia is proof that Jesus was who he said he was, and when you see it, you will believe it.
They have not made this public for a few reasons. First, they can’t get the system of inertia to work. It wasn’t working when Yamauchi decided to get rid of me after I had done everything I possibly could for a year (the *** thief). Secondly, they haven’t got the balls to make it public because of how serious this proof is, and third, the greed for the amount of power, money and credit associated with all of this has clouded their judgement.
So what I’m suggesting is a boycott of Gran turismo and Sony because they have God’s image and they are using it like it’s a product and keeping it quiet so they can profit from it and because they are afraid of what will happen. They also have this system of inertia, which proves that Jesus was his son. Like I said earlier, when you see it, you will realise this the same as I did. Every single one of you has a right to see this proof and to have it, but to not own it. The only way to get them to show the world the proof is to do this boycott. If there was ever a chance for world peace, this is it.
The other reason for this boycott is because right now, you pay for a console and then you pay for a game for that console. Then when you use the game, the people who own it, steal your intellectual property and have the legal right to sue you in court if you try to do the same with a different company. It’s a bad system that leaves the people with nothing. These companies take everything. They can do this because you sign a contract when you use their system. This boycott would have the purpose of making these companies pay any user who’s intellectual property they use to improve their software because right now they are stealing, no two ways about it. I’m not the only person to be robbed like this. They are stealing from every single person who plays on these consoles. I want this to happen so that nobody gets screwed the way I did. Think about it, all you have to do is stop playing video games for a few weeks and the result will be that if they use your intellectual property in the future, you will get paid for it.
This is my second attempt, at trying to fit everything that happened during the last year, into a post on the internet. There was less detail in the first attempt because I was hoping to go through this process with a different company, so I was giving a rough outline of the details. It’s impossible to contact these people, so I’ve given up on that idea and I’m sharing every detail here. I’m not good at writing but I did my best to make this as easy to understand as I possibly could, given the circumstances. It’s not well written but I swear to God and on my life, it’s all true. This post will have you saying things like ‘a beautiful mind’ ‘the matrix’ illusions of grandeur and drugs. I would just like to state that I am sane, drugs were not involved and I’m not a religious person but seeing the proof has changed my point of view.
All of this happened over the course of a year so that’s why there’s so much information. They made a lot of breakthroughs accounting for my input, over the first few months. I brought the code to the speed of light about 6 months ago. I found the points of inertia about 4 months ago, at around the same time I suggested, that they make an environment of light. They found the system of inertia about 3 months ago and I made the code perfect about 2 months ago. So as you can understand it didn’t happen quickly or easily. If anybody has any questions about any part of the process, please ask. I advise asking somebody who knows about binary code and physics to fully understand what’s involved.
I’m not a computer game person. I was using Gran Turismo because I thought it was the new way to get onto a real track but the owner Kazonori Yamauchi doesn’t like the idea that his video game is seen as a steppingstone. He thinks that his video game is going to take over from real life. If you become associated with him, Gran Turismo or Polyphony Digital in any way, you will be treated like a dog and have to put up with Yamauchi and his face. Trust me, the man is a useless old fool who will keep on annoying you like a bad smell. The only thing he did during this process was annoy me. There were a lot of people involved who all had a pretty high standard. Yamauchi on the other hand isn’t very good with code, physics or driving so all he did was cause more harm than good, the whole time. I ruined my life for this process, nearly had a heart attack at one point, spent every waking moment for a year contributing and accomplished more than anyone ever has. This soulless old thief stole it all, after giving me his word. I should have known. He even looks like a rodent.
I wrote this post for the people who use this video game and these consoles but it’s relevant for everybody. This company has the proof, and for whatever reasons, they are keeping it quiet. Nobody intended for this to happen. It was just an attempt to completely copy the way a car works in real life according to the laws of physics and running on binary code. There was no other agenda. My intellectual property and my ability with the car, kept on exposing areas that needed to be worked on, so it kept on getting more complicated. One thing led to another. I kept this quiet until now because I was looking forward to telling people, with the proof to back it up. As I have been completely used by this thief and left with nothing, this is the way it has to be, and I have to risk being institutionalised for the truth but I don’t care because it’s the truth and it can be proven again.
I’m pretty sure that bringing the code to the speed of light and then making it perfect were both miracles, because they can’t be repeated or fully explained scientifically alone, without my input. Both of these actions were evolutionary steps that acquired perfection. God is perfect and his standard is perfection and as a result, him and his image were involved both times. I never intended for these things to happen, it’s just the way things worked out. I also believe that Ayrton Senna prophesised the proof and how the Japanese people involved would react to it (face and fear). Only very special people know how they are going to die and go through with it. There have been too many coincidences, but this is not the second coming, it’s the proof. I’m the most cynical, sceptical, non-believing person there is. I’ll believe something when I see it. I’ve seen it so I believe it and you will too.
If you have the means to investigate this, I would advise it, the proof is there. Please do the boycott and tell everyone you know about this. All you have to do is not buy any computer games or play any computer games for a few weeks. The result will be, you will see the proof that God exists and the proof that Jesus was his son and you will be paid for any intellectual property that is taken from you in the future so you won’t end up in the same situation I’m in. Thank you for your time.


Colm.
tickets
all i can add to this post is that, if Jesus didnt have the balls to go through with his own crucifixion, this system of inertia would be meaningless.
midwestern
God has black hair, tusks, and is human. I recall this description.
midwestern
Ah, no. I recall the description and so must others. blink.gif smile.gif
tickets
a forum pro. tooo ff'in shay
midwestern
Okay. blink.gif
N O M
QUOTE (tickets+May 29 2008, 09:09 AM)
for *** sake. every *** mongoloid post the same *** reply. *** off you *** monkey.

Yawn!

Go away, you holier-than-thou prat. We are bored with you already.
orestis
I now understand the need for and the work of the Forum Mafia.
tickets
i tried to make this as easy to understand as i could. im not a holy person. i posted this on a science forum because i was hoping you would able to understand this better than video game people. please explain which part you having trouble understanding.
tickets
i wrote the first reply because every single person is having the same mindless reply. like the first one. please ask a question instead of saying God has a tusk or some ***.
excaza
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 04:29 PM)
i wrote the first reply because every single person is having the same mindless reply. like the first one. please ask a question instead of saying God has a tusk or some ***.

Want to know why?

A smattering:
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Over the next 3 months I did more physical work than anyone ever has

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Over the next 3 months I did more physical work than anyone ever has

It was so powerful that it could only be God. God is conscious light and he is the fifth dimension. He is a superior being. If you think about it, there are the 3 dimensions we live in, space-time and then God, the dimension holding all of this reality together. The system of inertia proves that Jesus was his son.

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I had built up to just below the speed of light. I didn’t know this I just knew it was fast. So for a short time, and in order to beat it, I thought and acted at the speed of light and because of this, I saw the light.

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I had built up to just below the speed of light. I didn’t know this I just knew it was fast. So for a short time, and in order to beat it, I thought and acted at the speed of light and because of this, I saw the light.

A car is the most complicated object in physics

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It predicts 26 dimensions that hit against each other every once in a while and when they do, it creates a new universe or something like that. This theory was thought up by the world’s greatest minds and has been a waste of time for 25 years and I proved that too.

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It predicts 26 dimensions that hit against each other every once in a while and when they do, it creates a new universe or something like that. This theory was thought up by the world’s greatest minds and has been a waste of time for 25 years and I proved that too.

All you have to do is not buy any computer games or play any computer games for a few weeks. The result will be, you will see the proof that God exists and the proof that Jesus was his son and you will be paid for any intellectual property that is taken from you in the future so you won’t end up in the same situation I’m in.

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Also, light travels roughly 300 million meters per second, not 300 thousand, I'm assuming you just mistyped.
tickets
my mistake. all i can say to that is, i have the greatest right hemisphere ever made. to add to this i am very strong and very fast. the very reasons they began making the changes to the physics engine in the first place. please look into wheel speed in driving. some drivers can turn the wheel to react to lost grip, at 50mph. it was this type of reactions that the first changes were made. thanks for the open minded reply.
Gorgeous
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Trust me, the man is a useless old fool who will keep on annoying you like a bad smell.


Actually, now you mention it, that does sound like the kind of 'God' people round here believe in! blink.gif



Here's a question for you, as requested...
If we trust you, will you promise not to be a hypocrit by continuing to annoy everyone with your bad smell?



g.
excaza
Last thought.

For it to be a 'scientific' proof, it needs to be repeatable by anyone. Having some 'divine flash' that only you understand is not it. At best it will get you laughed at.
Sinister Utopia
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 10:05 PM)
all i can say to that is, i have the greatest right hemisphere ever made.

Is it still under warranty?
tickets
i used to be as cynical as most of the people around here are. the proof is there and it can be proven again with my input. i cant help sounding like a religious nut by writing this, but trust me, God could do a lot worse to you than any bad smell. please look into inertia. inertia of tyres and the points of inertia. the process that accounted for these aspects of physics is what led to this discovery. on my life
gmilam
I haven't bought or played a computer game in over 8 years. Should I have proof of god by now?
tickets
it is still under warranty and working better than ever. i could go through this process again with another company in about 6 weeks. start to finish.
tickets
hello ex. when i saw this light i was thinking what the fck was that!!! it was only afterwards when i suggested that thy make an environment of light and it worked did i believe it. this proved that there are 5 dimensions. i saw everything that exists. it was only when it was proved did i beleive it. when the cross system of inertia showed up it wa complete conformation that it was conscious. im a sceptical person. i would probably be typing some sarcastic stuff if i was reading it too. everything i am saying, has been proven and it can be proven again.
excaza
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 05:25 PM)
everything i am saying, has been proven and it can be proven again.

But only by you. This is not scientific. Post a clear way for ANYONE to be able to recreate, then you will be taken seriously.
tickets
just to add to this. einstein found the atom. that proved that everything we see can be explained down to the atom. that means that none of this is an accident. the fact that everything makes sense, guarantees that none of this is an accident. so there has to be a creator. all of this reality is based on speed. for a short time i thought at the speed of light. that is why i saw what i saw.
tickets
hello again ex. turn 10 studios is a franchise of microsoft game studios. if i was to talk to these people i could explain exactly what need to happen and go through this whole process with them in about 6 weeks
gmilam
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 05:33 PM)
just to add to this. einstein found the atom. that proved that everything we see can be explained down to the atom. that means that none of this is an accident. the fact that everything makes sense, guarantees that none of this is an accident. so there has to be a creator. all of this reality is based on speed. for a short time i thought at the speed of light. that is why i saw what i saw.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
tickets
turn 10 studios are at about the same level that polyphony digital were, before they stole all of my intellectual property. if i work with them this whole process will happen again.
excaza
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 05:37 PM)
turn 10 studios are at about the same level that polyphony digital were, before they stole all of my intellectual property. if i work with them this whole process will happen again.

To YOU

For you to command ANY credibility it needs to be repeatable by ANYONE.
tickets
sorry gm
orestis
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 06:33 PM)

all of this reality is based on speed.


that is why i saw what i saw.

Well then, stay clean for awhile and find out if you see god without it.

tickets
nobody has my ability. anybody could try to bring this code to the highest speed they possibly could. everybody would have a limit based on their ability. i went through the fabric of space time and i can do it again. on my life.
tickets
hello ore. i was clean the whole time. i had to be because the level of concentation was so high. i squeegieed my third eye before hand. smile.gif
excaza
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 05:48 PM)
nobody has my ability. anybody could try to bring this code to the highest speed they possibly could. everybody would have a limit based on their ability. i went through the fabric of space time and i can do it again. on my life.

And with that, nobody will ever take you seriously. Bye.

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orestis
Read what you wrote after you come down.

Adios.
tickets
i know. i never knew i had the ability i do until this process happened. everything i said is true and like ive been saying, i can do it again.
excaza
I'm not sure how many times I need to say this, so I'll try it one more time.

NOBODY cares that YOU can repeat something supposedly only YOU can see. People only care that it's repeatable. I'm sure you'll find plenty of bible thumpers who will bow down to you and your divine experience, but nobody with a brain will give you a second thought unless it can be replicated by ANYONE.

That is science.

"I have a perpetual motion device, seriously, but if anyone else looks at it, it'll be broken."

Same thing

Later.
tickets
it is repeatable. i can repeat it with a company that is involved in the same development. do me a favour and contact microsoft. ive tried and failed. if i can talk to them i can repeat this same process with them. thats all i can say. tomorrow
Gorgeous
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 10:33 PM)
for a short time i thought at the speed of light. that is why i saw what i saw.

Yeah, but the speed of consciousness is instantaneous, so you were probably being a bit slow! smile.gif



g.
tickets
the speed of light is a constant.
excaza
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 07:52 PM)
the speed of light is a constant.

We know

c=Jesus

right?

I will reiterate, since you're not getting it.
NOBODY cares that YOU can repeat something supposedly only YOU can see. I will not call Microsoft for you, they're ignoring you the same reason everyone else is. You are not providing any verifiable proof or any repeatable experiment, only your word. Your word is not science.

I do not doubt that you are sincere (apart from my near-constant wariness of people posting stuff like this just to pull someone's leg), but you have done no science.
gmilam
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I managed to bring the code to this speed by making decisions that made it work at this special speed.

Where can I get me one of these lightspeed processors? (How many ghz is lightspeed?)

On a more practical note.. did you lose much sleep during this "process"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation
am_Unition
QUOTE (tickets+May 28 2008, 08:39 PM)
I was the highest ranked player at this game because I have a lot of practical ability with physics, and the steering wheel, which is used for these games. From the beginning I was creating circumstances their physics engine couldn’t account for and my reactions were too fast for their code to keep up with.

Do you chauffeur?
Beer w/Straw
Dear Tickets;

See your Doctor.


Best regards

Beer
Gehn
Tickets -

The reason no one believes you is because we get a lot of people here who believe that they are somehow holy, or have been touched by God. A lot more believe that they are God himself. So, we're obviously not going to believe every single one, are we? The "evidence" you provide is circumstancial, and you are deliberately interpreting it in a way which you can understand to prove the existance of God. Your behaviour after that has not helped your appearence. You seem highly angry that other people do not believe in your story - but if someone came up to you with a story like that, would you believe it? I doubt it. You say that you were a cynic before, so you should understand our point of view. In conclusion, no one's going to worship you here, so go away if that's all you have to offer.

- Gehn biggrin.gif
TheDoc
tickets, you are a complete lunatic.
  • You're claiming to have found God and Jesus in a Gran Turismo game
  • You're claiming to have debunked String Theory
  • You're claiming that the owner of Gran Turismo "stole" your intellectual property
  • You're claiming that said owner is "greedy" and is trying to "make money off of God's image"
  • You claim that your little "find" is scientifically testable and repeatable
  • You've provided no evidence for any of these things whatsoever
  • You threw a hissy fit when people called you a liar and a poser, even though you didn't provide any evidence for your assertions/accusations
So tell me, after all this, why should we believe any of your pathetic claims?
midwestern
Tickets scares me. ph34r.gif biggrin.gif
TheDoc
QUOTE (midwestern+May 29 2008, 06:43 PM)
Tickets scares me. ph34r.gif  biggrin.gif

I agree, it's quite frightening that our planet is populated by idiots like Mr. Gran Turismo over here wacko.gif unsure.gif dry.gif
midwestern
Good one TheDoc. biggrin.gif smile.gif
TheDoc
QUOTE (midwestern+May 29 2008, 06:51 PM)
Good one TheDoc. biggrin.gif smile.gif

Thank you biggrin.gif
tickets
hello Doc. i couldnt have summed it up better myself. the proof of all of that is there and you have a right to it. this simulation runs on binary code and according to the laws of physics. yes its a video game but there is solid scientific practice behind making these games work. when you see the proof you will get the picture.
TheDoc
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i couldnt have summed it up better myself.


So you're admitting that you're a complete lunatic?

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the proof of all of that is there


No, it isn't. You've made assertions, accusations, whatever, but you haven't actually proved anything. Until you can, don't expect to be taken seriously.
midwestern
Forget it tickets. Your claims are bogus and your thoughts perverted.
minorwork
Theists do not own mystic experiences, though they try to. The key to the secret worlds is concentration and attitude. You have seen the results. Your background is Christian? This experience was inadvertent? You will interpret your experience in terms of your preparations. Usually a large amount of preparation in the form of a reading list covering various such experiences and their meanings is required before the initiation. But you have begun. There are rocks and holes on the path. Note here a quote from P.W. Martin's EXPERIMENT IN DEPTH:

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Experiment in Depth by P.W. Martin                   
                  Chapter X: Dangers and Destinations. First three paragraphs.     

The experiment in depth concerns everyone, but it is not for everyone to undertake. The way is dangerous. It demands of a man that he obey the injunction 'Become what thou art'; and to this end leads him to his own encounter. What he will find there, no one can know in advance. This much, though, is reasonably certain. Wholeness has to proceed against the heaviest of odds: The values, habit-patterns, attitudes, laid down by earlier conditioning in a society where the creative contact has been to a great extent lost. Individuation does not begin with a tabula rasa, but with a personality more or less malformed.

Beyond lies the deep unconscious. Here, all is at the hazard. As Jung has said, there are those who go digging for an artesian well and come instead upon a volcano. Cumulated upon this uncertainty is the harsh fact that our knowledge of the other side of consciousness is still, for the most part, in the earliest stage of hypothesis. Much of it may be wide of the mark, some completely mistaken. It is not only that the beaten way does not as yet exist. Such track as there is may be deceptive. A man takes it at his peril. In making the experiment in depth there are bound to be casualties, casualties that could not reasonably be forseen. It is well to realize that one's own name may figure among them.

But there is also the positive side. The unconscious is not fundamentally a menace, a source of fear and misgiving. It is the wellspring of life, both for the individual and for the peoples of the world. At present we are cut off from it; and worse than cut off, exposed to the utmost peril. Little as we may like it, we of the present century have no choice but to live dangerously, the threat of mass destruction over all our heads. Those who have the psychological strength and stamina to undertake the withdrawal-and-return--to live dangerously to some purpose--are the fortunate ones. Whether or not a creative minority comes into existence as a result of their efforts, they live.


Francis Crick in 1994 looked for soul by examining vision interpretation by the brain in THE ASTONISHING HYPOTHESIS: THE SCIENTIFIC SEARCH FOR THE SOUL. Of course his resonating parts of the brain hardly qualifies as an instruction set to any mystic visions, only ordinary vision, maybe.

And more recently Mark Changizi, a professor in Cognitive Science at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, has some basic analysis of the explanation for the visual illusions that have been begging for an explanation. Well, for me anyhow.

The illusions are a result of the evolutionary culmination of the brains ability to project a tenth of a second into the future a representation of the world. This enables a batter to hit a fast ball and gives the ability to maneuver in crowds. Having played racquetball, I find the great anticipation of the high end player to be "godlike." Changizi's work will be published next year as: THE VISION REVOLUTION; How the Latest Research Overturns Everything We Thought We Knew About Human Vision. Google Mark Changizi to see.

What happened to you, tickets, well I guess I'll take a shot. Concentration and attitude being the key has put you in an area rather unexpectedly that has been visited by the likes of Saint John of the Cross, Saint Theresa of Avila, Meister Eckhart, and Saint Francis of Assisi. These are a few Christian names. There are many from the Eastern and other branches most notably those of the Sant Mat or Surat Shabd. And now tickets. Welcome to the club.

My goal is to guide somewhat the fanaticism that is a sure sign of such experience with the Light and Sound. Fanaticism is inevitable. The soul that undergoes such transforming, definitely not of this reality, experience is full of the Logos (see Heraclitus). The goal now is to balance the inner world with the outer until the time comes to leave the physical. But what the hey nobody could tell me anything either. The inner worlds are immense and the physical pales by comparison, so, go explore. Find the schools, the temples, the libraries and get a teacher. Choose the teacher with care. Test, test, test. It seems that each person has a somewhat different technique to drop the body for a little while. What works for one will not work for another.
minorwork
Tickets,

Nikhil Swaminathan interviews Mark Changizi at the Scientific American web site dated May 30, 2008. Page 2 next to last question, Changizi says:
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...all of these illusions turn out to be explainable from forward motion correlates. We're doing compensation all over the place. We play video games where there are made-up rules of optical flow that our visual systems can figure out on the fly.


And now I am inclined to change my word "fanaticism" to "enthusiasm."

I do think Changizi will bring new "light" to your work, ticket. Enjoy. mw
minorwork
Tickets,

My meager preparation of 31 years in the coal mine have at least shown that others can say a lot more than I and still use less words. Sam Harris states well the problems of confirming by duplicating the essence of your experience.

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From the point of view of our contemplative traditions, however-to boil them all down to a cartoon version, that ignores the rather esoteric disputes among them-our habitual identification with discursive thought, our failure moment to moment to recognize thoughts as thoughts, is a primary source of human suffering. And when a person breaks this spell, an extraordinary kind of relief is available.

But the problem with a contemplative claim of this sort is that you can’t borrow someone else’s contemplative tools to test it. The problem is that to test such a claim-indeed, to even appreciate how distracted we tend to be in the first place, we have to build our own contemplative tools. Imagine where astronomy would be if everyone had to build his own telescope before he could even begin to see if astronomy was a legitimate enterprise. It wouldn’t make the sky any less worthy of investigation, but it would make it immensely more difficult for us to establish astronomy as a science.

To judge the empirical claims of contemplatives, you have to build your own telescope. Judging their metaphysical claims is another matter: many of these can be dismissed as bad science or bad philosophy by merely thinking about them. But to judge whether certain experiences are possible-and if possible, desirable-we have to be able to use our attention in the requisite ways. We have to be able to break our identification with discursive thought, if only for a few moments. This can take a tremendous amount of work. And it is not work that our culture knows much about.  Sam Harris
soundhertz
Once again I propose that we petition the moderators for a Komodo forum where pap can be banished to. That way the moderators can still make their money on useless unnecessary empty ego-fulfulling Napoleanic inferiority complexed pretentious podium pontifications, thereby keeping the science threads relatively uninfected.
Masked Marauder
Doc - Wonderful Summary! You should be commended to have had the patience to read our "patients" post.

tickets, you are a complete lunatic.

• You're claiming to have found God and Jesus in a Gran Turismo game
• You're claiming to have debunked String Theory
• You're claiming that the owner of Gran Turismo "stole" your intellectual property
• You're claiming that said owner is "greedy" and is trying to "make money off of God's image"
• You claim that your little "find" is scientifically testable and repeatable
• You've provided no evidence for any of these things whatsoever
• You threw a hissy fit when people called you a liar and a poser, even though you didn't provide any evidence for your assertions/accusations

Tickets - not sure what you were on when you were playing your game, Gran Turismo, but do this, box it up, head out to a swamp, and toss it. Your brain cells have been thoroughly cooked dude, and I don't think it was worth it. tongue.gif

and the next time you find god, tell him I said high.

OOooofdah. I thought I did some good recreational pharmeceuticals. blink.gif

MM
Masked Marauder
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midwestern
Tickets, you don't deserve a long reply. Your nuts.
midwestern
Tickets, you don't deserve a long reply. Your nuts.
midwestern
This repeated post better soak in Tickets. ph34r.gif
minorwork
Geez, some of you guys would not make it on a suicide hotline. Tickets is about to go off the edge, maybe has by now. Of course I am hardly one to criticize. The only real dealings I had with a suicidal person, when I didn't care, was some 36 years ago when an elevator operator in the 12 story office building where I did maintenance said a guy was in a window on the 4th floor threatening to jump. I went up there and sure enough. He told me to stay away he was gonna jump. I said he better be quick about it 'cause the cops were on the way. I told him the 3rd floor roof extended out under his window and he might not even get hurt on the 7 foot drop. Well, he finally looked. I told him the stairs were around the corner if he wanted to escape. He was outta there.

A guy has an out of this world experience and immediately sees God because there has been no other explanation in his life. The God of the gaps thing. Applying some science to this phenomena might hinge on understanding why the brain does what it does. Maybe, as some think, that the visual system might be used as some kind of computer system in the same manner as bacteria are used as logic gates. Surely there must be some room for the experience of what this would be like, though it does beg for more preparatory work than tickets got.

Maybe not the right forum for this psychological subjective science but where there is a hole, I'll fill it.
excaza
QUOTE (minorwork+Jun 2 2008, 05:02 PM)
Geez,  some of you guys would not make it on a suicide hotline.

This is not a suicide hotline. This is a science forum. Most of your post, while you think it's a great story, is absolutely useless to this thread.
TheDoc
QUOTE (minorwork+)
Geez, some of you guys would not make it on a suicide hotline.


This is not a suicide hotline. This is a physics forum.

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Tickets is about to go off the edge, maybe has by now.


Yep, he was driven off the edge because no one believed him on an internet discussion board rolleyes.gif

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Tickets is about to go off the edge, maybe has by now.


Yep, he was driven off the edge because no one believed him on an internet discussion board rolleyes.gif

The only real dealings I had with a suicidal person, when I didn't care, was some 36 years ago when an elevator operator in the 12 story office building where I did maintenance said a guy was in a window on the 4th floor threatening to jump. <rest of story snipped>


Irrelevant to the discussion.

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Maybe not the right forum for this


You're right, it's not. Please, ditch the psychological claptrap.

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Maybe not the right forum for this


You're right, it's not. Please, ditch the psychological claptrap.

but where there is a hole, I'll fill it.


I hate to burst your bubble, but we already have someone doing psychoanalisis. You're not needed here tongue.gif
minorwork
Thanks for clearing that up.
amrit
universe is got itself..........god = universe

universe = is god
Sinister Utopia
QUOTE (amrit+Jun 3 2008, 06:32 AM)
universe is got itself..........god = universe

universe = is god

Universe = Universe

God = God

Universe = Exists

God = ?

Occam's Razor

Universe

midwestern
No suidcide for Tickets is in the offing. The boasts of knowing when knowledge is scarce is too prominent. biggrin.gif
tickets
hello. everybody seems to want proof. thats why im saying everybody should do this boycott. im saying there are 5 dimensions because thats what i saw and later made. your either right or wrong about something like that. trust me.
minorwork
tickets,

The boycott ain't gonna' happen. Think of some other "proof". Duplicate your experience. Hell, Fleischmann and Pons couldn't get their cold fusion experiment to work more than once. Can you?
TheDoc
QUOTE (tickets+)
hello. everybody seems to want proof.


Of course we do. You're making a bunch of claims and accusations; are you suggesting we should simply take your word for it?

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thats why im saying everybody should do this boycott.


A boycott isn't proof.

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thats why im saying everybody should do this boycott.


A boycott isn't proof.

your either right or wrong about something like that.


I'd wager you're very wrong on this one.
minorwork
Tickets,

When your boycott fails, you can blame me. I ain't doin' it. That way you can still grasp that last straw. Talk sense. Learn something else other than watching a screen and pressing buttons. Learn to express your self. It's called school. Yes you will have to suck a little butt and give the teachers what they want. This is called discipline. Then go work and support yourself and if you can, reproduce and support a family. Retire with enough money that you can go on forums and kick butt or play games or fish or skydive. Damn, just talk sense.
TheDoc
QUOTE (minorwork+)
Damn, just talk sense.


The best four words you've ever posted.
mott.carl
THE DOC IS GOD, OR GODNESS ?
uaafanblog
That's it.

It was bound to happen one day. All you so-called "scientists" take note. I have read tickets endearing little story and you know what ....???

I'm converted. His genius game-coding abilities have convinced me. What swayed me .... ????

Here are some quotes from his argument that none of you can dispute ...

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I was the highest ranked player at this game ...

I know how much this means. I'm really good at Halo-multiplayer and PWND 99% of players.

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I was the highest ranked player at this game ...

I know how much this means. I'm really good at Halo-multiplayer and PWND 99% of players.

my reactions were too fast for their code to keep up with ...

Amen my brother ... I know what you mean. I kick such *** at Halo that I'm legendary.

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I made a joke of every attempt they made to fake the laws of physics ...

I hear ya. I was like in Blood Gulch the other day and got 3 killtaculars!!! For those of you uninitiated that means I killed like 5 people with one bullet.

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I made a joke of every attempt they made to fake the laws of physics ...

I hear ya. I was like in Blood Gulch the other day and got 3 killtaculars!!! For those of you uninitiated that means I killed like 5 people with one bullet.

3 months I did more physical work than anyone ever has ...

Preach it brutha!!! They think Paul Bunyan was a hard worker??? LOL. Nuthin compared to all that game playing!!!

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I thought I had reached my limit but I gave it one last serious effort and I managed to beat it. When this happened I couldn’t help noticing that my arm was becoming light. Then all the matter around me turned into light and then space. For a short time all I could see was light and it was powerful.

This is what the doubters can't refute!!! I know exactly what you mean. One time when I was in Danger Canyon and I was owning all the noobs with their stupid plasma guns (and I was just using my pistol of course) suddenly I floated to the top of the map where nobody had ever been before and I had unlimited grenades and access to unlimited sniper bullets. I ended with 282 kills!!! I didn't actually "see the light" ... but all those NOOBS did.

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I thought I had reached my limit but I gave it one last serious effort and I managed to beat it. When this happened I couldn’t help noticing that my arm was becoming light. Then all the matter around me turned into light and then space. For a short time all I could see was light and it was powerful.

This is what the doubters can't refute!!! I know exactly what you mean. One time when I was in Danger Canyon and I was owning all the noobs with their stupid plasma guns (and I was just using my pistol of course) suddenly I floated to the top of the map where nobody had ever been before and I had unlimited grenades and access to unlimited sniper bullets. I ended with 282 kills!!! I didn't actually "see the light" ... but all those NOOBS did.

As you can imagine, powerful, infinite light isn’t something you see every day.

Dude. You're like kidding. They can't "imagine" it. They're science dudes man. They rely on stuff like reality. They have no sense of the virtuality of gaming and the truth of it all.

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I’m pretty sure that bringing the code to the speed of light and then making it perfect were both miracles

Well I know my 282 kills in Danger Canyon weren't miracles. They were pure skill dude. Even though you're reaching for an explanation I'm pretty sure your experiences were due to you skill. You sound like an ultra-cool gaming dude.

So for the rest of you. Eat that!! You don't know bupkiss.
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jun 4 2008, 11:10 AM)
That's it.

It was bound to happen one day. All you so-called "scientists" take note. I have read tickets endearing little story and you know what ....???

I'm converted. His genius game-coding abilities have convinced me. What swayed me .... ????

Here are some quotes from his argument that none of you can dispute ...


I know how much this means. I'm really good at Halo-multiplayer and PWND 99% of players.


Amen my brother ... I know what you mean. I kick such *** at Halo that I'm legendary.


I hear ya. I was like in Blood Gulch the other day and got 3 killtaculars!!! For those of you uninitiated that means I killed like 5 people with one bullet.


Preach it brutha!!! They think Paul Bunyan was a hard worker??? LOL. Nuthin compared to all that game playing!!!


This is what the doubters can't refute!!! I know exactly what you mean. One time when I was in Danger Canyon and I was owning all the noobs with their stupid plasma guns (and I was just using my pistol of course) suddenly I floated to the top of the map where nobody had ever been before and I had unlimited grenades and access to unlimited sniper bullets. I ended with 282 kills!!! I didn't actually "see the light" ... but all those NOOBS did.


Dude. You're like kidding. They can't "imagine" it. They're science dudes man. They rely on stuff like reality. They have no sense of the virtuality of gaming and the truth of it all.


Well I know my 282 kills in Danger Canyon weren't miracles. They were pure skill dude. Even though you're reaching for an explanation I'm pretty sure your experiences were due to you skill. You sound like an ultra-cool gaming dude.

So for the rest of you. Eat that!! You don't know bupkiss.

I am humbled by you, uaafanblog. cool.gif The only game I have played in years has been "Enemy Territory". I refuse to use aimbots, only skill and cunning. ph34r.gif

I am one of the old timers that has all the perfect camping spots, and only my sniper rifle to keep me warm. and on those cold Saturday nights with an Alaskan Amber beer in front of me, I mercilessly pick off the idiots that are blind to my camping spot.

All night, I hear the cries and the screams of the Noobs. It keeps a smile on my face. unsure.gif

I have not achieved the godhood that you and tickets have approached, but I will continue....

One shot.
One kill.
No exceptions. ph34r.gif

MM
uaafanblog
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+Jun 4 2008, 01:08 PM)
One shot.
One kill.
No exceptions. ph34r.gif

MM

While "MM" may stand for "Masked Marauder"; in this case I'll concur with your "One Shot One Kill" observation and call it "My Mantra".

But seriously... what a laugh that some hep-cat gamer dude found god in the virtual physics of a stupid car racing game eh?

I'm still laughing at the crap he posted. I think I'll reread it regularly and see how long the amusement lasts.
am_Unition
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jun 4 2008, 11:10 AM)
I hear ya. I was like in Blood Gulch the other day and got 3 killtaculars!!! For those of you uninitiated that means I killed like 5 people with one bullet.

That's all nice and whatev, but I'm coming out of the caves with an overshield, campin' the hill by red base's portal.

You're throwing frags, but I'll land a sticky on your helmet faceplate when you come around the corner from blue base.

After you respawn and 'port out to midfield, it's a 3sk with my pistol. Of course, I'm still holding sniper, but I'll grab the rockets near the tree/bush if you decide to get in a hog.




Ohhh Halo CE. I miss thee. Couldn't really get into any of the sequels sad.gif
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jun 4 2008, 03:02 PM)
While "MM" may stand for "Masked Marauder"; in this case I'll concur with your "One Shot One Kill" observation and call it "My Mantra".

But seriously... what a laugh that some hep-cat gamer dude found god in the virtual physics of a stupid car racing game eh?

I'm still laughing at the crap he posted. I think I'll reread it regularly and see how long the amusement lasts.

Hey, find god anywhere you can I guess... Of course, in this case, one would need some very serious recreational pharmeceuticals, and a loss of about 98% of the major brain cells...

Maybe I was naive but...

I played Black Sabbath at 78-speed ... and saw God

"Cheech and Chong" Big Bamboo blink.gif

Phhhhsssshhttt**** Cough cough... phhhsssstttt**

C'mon man, quit bogeyin the joint man...

uaafanblog
QUOTE (am_Unition+Jun 4 2008, 03:14 PM)
Ohhh Halo CE. I miss thee. Couldn't really get into any of the sequels sad.gif

Crank it back up sometime. When you show up and keep getting thrashed by someone called "Titus Pullo" then you'll have run into me. I promise never to run ya down in a hog ... not my style.
MjolnirPants
I know there's a God, cause I typed in "IDDQD" when I was playin Doom once an turned into him!
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Jun 4 2008, 04:17 PM)
I know there's a God, cause I typed in "IDDQD" when I was playin Doom once an turned into him!

So! You saw the Light? Became the god of all domains?... Man, nothing like cheat codes to unravel the mysteries of the universe.


I am in awe...

But I still got my Sniper Rifle...
40 Cal Sniper Rifle at 1.5 miles

soundhertz
i'll just leave Twisted Metal II as Dark Tooth and flaming ice cream cone everybody to death
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+Jun 4 2008, 05:24 PM)
So! You saw the Light? Became the god of all domains?... Man, nothing like cheat codes to unravel the mysteries of the universe.


I am in awe...

But I still got my Sniper Rifle...
40 Cal Sniper Rifle at 1.5 miles

Well then, ya got yer own religious experiment. I dunno bout you marine reprobates, but in the army, "Bird" (or some variation o that, like "Eagle" or "Bluejay" or somethin) was the second most common call-sign of an emplaced sniper.
"God" bein the most common wink.gif

I saw that video on the military channel a while back, by the way. It's still impressive now. I'd loooooooooooove to get my grubby paws on one o dem babies...
am_Unition
QUOTE (soundhertz+Jun 4 2008, 05:27 PM)
i'll just leave Twisted Metal II as Dark Tooth and flaming ice cream cone everybody to death

Hahaha, it's SWEET tooth... unless I am mistaken wink.gif
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Jun 4 2008, 05:54 PM)
Well then, ya got yer own religious experiment. I dunno bout you marine reprobates, but in the army, "Bird" (or some variation o that, like "Eagle" or "Bluejay" or somethin) was the second most common call-sign of an emplaced sniper.
"God" bein the most common wink.gif

I saw that video on the military channel a while back, by the way. It's still impressive now. I'd loooooooooooove to get my grubby paws on one o dem babies...

Yah me too. Calling on God in the field was a wonderful thing....

and if I got my grubbies on one of those, no telling what kind of trouble one could get into....

MM
midwestern
Does anyone here have a video game with God in the center of it all? biggrin.gif tongue.gif Tickets, your different. laugh.gif
TheDoc
QUOTE (mott.carl+)
THE DOC IS GOD, OR GODNESS ?


I am GOD!

QUOTE (uaafanblog+)
Amen my brother ... I know what you mean. I kick such *** at Halo that I'm legendary.


You obviously haven't seen me play Call of Duty 4 online ph34r.gif

QUOTE
I hear ya. I was like in Blood Gulch the other day and got 3 killtaculars!!! For those of you uninitiated that means I killed like 5 people with one bullet.


So? I once got a six-kill streak in CoD4 with a knife. On an online server. With 12 enemies surrounding me. And uber-defensive teammates who refused to back me up.

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I hear ya. I was like in Blood Gulch the other day and got 3 killtaculars!!! For those of you uninitiated that means I killed like 5 people with one bullet.


So? I once got a six-kill streak in CoD4 with a knife. On an online server. With 12 enemies surrounding me. And uber-defensive teammates who refused to back me up.

This is what the doubters can't refute!!! I know exactly what you mean. One time when I was in Danger Canyon and I was owning all the noobs with their stupid plasma guns (and I was just using my pistol of course) suddenly I floated to the top of the map where nobody had ever been before and I had unlimited grenades and access to unlimited sniper bullets. I ended with 282 kills!!! I didn't actually "see the light" ... but all those NOOBS did.


That's nothing! One time, I finished first in a free-for-all with a 240 point difference over second place. 89-23, in twenty minutes. I was like, hated by everyone for eternity!
am_Unition
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jun 4 2008, 03:30 PM)
Crank it back up sometime.  When you show up and keep getting thrashed by someone called "Titus Pullo" then you'll have run into me.  I promise never to run ya down in a hog ... not my style.

I think I've actually ran into you before... maybe on the HaloNTexas or M2K server. Anyway, my handle is something like "|$½£|".

If anyone here hasn't seen FPS Doug, they better get on it.

By the way, explicit content, earmuffs for the kiddiez, plz.
photojack
am_Unition, That FPS Doug link was great. See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=TsQFYceNZS8 Those gaming "dudes" need to get a life. Like, man, do they remember back to the "dark ages" when people actually read BOOKS! blink.gif

Here's something that relates to the thread's title:

"I have asked the same question every time I confront creationism & I have NEVER received a coherent answer. If the universe is so complex that it required an "intelligent designer" what created the MORE complex "intelligent designer"? The only types of answers I ever get are "We're not meant to know", "That's the mystery" or "We'll only know that when our time on Earth is over". Intelligent design is strictly a religious belief & should be left in Sunday school. If intelligent designers/creationist want their religion taught in public schools (and & am NOT promoting that idea in any way) then they should allow evolution to be taught as an equally valid alternate to creation in their churches, schools & during their services. That'll be the day!! I had 12 years of Catholic education and I never received an adequate answer to my question. I don't believe there is an intellectually honest answer to be found. No matter how fervent their belief they can't answer the question & they don't try to find the answer. What are they afraid of? That all they will find is a little man pulling levers behind the curtain? I honestly feel sorry for those who can't see the truth for all the smoke & mirrors that they have come to believe in."

KVG, Golden Valley, MN From: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...#commentmessage

THIS IS NOT A GAME! THIS IS REALITY! wink.gif biggrin.gif ((laugh.gif)) tongue.gif
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (photojack+Jun 5 2008, 05:11 PM)
am_Unition, That FPS Doug link was great. See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=TsQFYceNZS8 Those gaming "dudes" need to get a life. Like, man, do they remember back to the "dark ages" when people actually read BOOKS! blink.gif

Here's something that relates to the thread's title:

"I have asked the same question every time I confront creationism & I have NEVER received a coherent answer. If the universe is so complex that it required an "intelligent designer" what created the MORE complex "intelligent designer"? The only types of answers I ever get are "We're not meant to know", "That's the mystery" or "We'll only know that when our time on Earth is over". Intelligent design is strictly a religious belief & should be left in Sunday school. If intelligent designers/creationist want their religion taught in public schools (and & am NOT promoting that idea in any way) then they should allow evolution to be taught as an equally valid alternate to creation in their churches, schools & during their services. That'll be the day!! I had 12 years of Catholic education and I never received an adequate answer to my question. I don't believe there is an intellectually honest answer to be found. No matter how fervent their belief they can't answer the question & they don't try to find the answer. What are they afraid of? That all they will find is a little man pulling levers behind the curtain? I honestly feel sorry for those who can't see the truth for all the smoke & mirrors that they have come to believe in."

KVG, Golden Valley, MN From: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...#commentmessage

THIS IS NOT A GAME! THIS IS REALITY! wink.gif biggrin.gif ((laugh.gif)) tongue.gif

It's not about intellect when it comes to creation science.

It is about faith... the ability to believe that there is something you cannot prove exists, but believe in it anyway. That requires the "faith" to believe in what you can't prove...

Science is about what you can prove. and the belief in that approach.

And neither of these two shall meet. Both are volatile and very emotional. and they are opposites of each other. One you can't prove, one you can.

And we "agnostics" straddle the fence... (which means I wear a cup at all times).

I validate the science side, because I can observe it. I cannot validate organized religion, becuase they can't observe it.

I can find comfort in my own personal spirituality, but there it ends. I cannot validate what my emotions feel. (and being agnostic, I give no shape or form in what I cannot validate)

But that does not keep me from being in constant amazement at the universe as it sits... What wonderment it truly is... Did someone create it? I have zero idea. But that does not stop me from enjoying it...

MM
photojack
I too, marvel at the universe, especially knowing something about the laws of science and the evolutionary forces that made it evolve as it has! That same awe I had upon first learning about dinosaurs has carried me through to the present day, still searching for the latest scientific discoveries and revelations. Religion has never satisfied ANY of those queries, nor supplied one ounce of logic or reality. I stopped believing in fairy tales and Santa Claus, and not too much later, figured out that religion was the same type of nonsense. "Spirituality"? Can that be the awe and reverence for science, logic and reality? biggrin.gif wink.gif
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (photojack+Jun 5 2008, 05:42 PM)
I too, marvel at the universe, especially knowing something about the laws of science and the evolutionary forces that made it evolve as it has! That same awe I had upon first learning about dinosaurs has carried me through to the present day, still searching for the latest scientific discoveries and revelations. Religion has never satisfied ANY of those queries, nor supplied one ounce of logic or reality. I stopped believing in fairy tales and Santa Claus, and not too much later, figured out that religion was the same type of nonsense. "Spirituality"? Can that be the awe and reverence for science, logic and reality? biggrin.gif wink.gif

Yep, might very well be. The things that I cannot answer, I can certainly enjoy. What used to be considered magic is now science... and still just as awe inpiring as ever...

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
uaafanblog
QUOTE (TheDoc+Jun 5 2008, 04:11 AM)
So? I once got a six-kill streak in CoD4 with a knife. On an online server. With 12 enemies surrounding me. And uber-defensive teammates who refused to back me up.

Effing campers!!!
Masked Marauder
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jun 5 2008, 06:09 PM)
Effing campers!!!

Yeah, camping can be pretty lame... Until you see the look of the target that didn't see you in your campingspot, through your sniper rifle. ph34r.gif

The moment before you S Q U E E Z E the trigger and watch their head dissapear.

It is a look of surprise, disbelief, anger, and then... pure fear, knowing that they are about to die.... blink.gif

Then get respawned and do it again! laugh.gif

MM
TheDoc
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Jun 5 2008, 06:09 PM)
Effing campers!!!

Yep, they were perfectly happy to sit back and lob grenades at the enemy. "The best defense is defense", was their motto.

QUOTE (Masked Marauder+)
The moment before you S Q U E E Z E the trigger and watch their head dissapear.

It is a look of surprise, disbelief, anger, and then... pure fear, knowing that they are about to die.... blink.gif

Then get respawned and do it again! laugh.gif


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minorwork
Faith is definitely not what it's cracked up to be.
minorwork
Faith. I got my bass eat for confusing faith with trust. Damn the censor bot.

If someone tells me if I look at a video pattern for a minute then at my arm, that I will see what a person on LSD sees. Well, on faith I'll do my best to follow the directions to the best of my ability. Likewise, on faith I'll eat spinach till I'm green and hope for Popeye arms. And I'll pray my dog Snoopy will get better after mom's car squashed him.

The video was a definite temporary success. My arms got tired from opening cans. Poor Snoopy.

Willing to act on belief without proof. Faith.


Practice of faith in the coal mine took a pretty weird form. Being sure of yourself on an issue was grounds for "The Bet". People can believe a lot of junk but are hesitant to bet something of value on their belief. Money, bows at the bottom of the ramp so low your nose touches the floor with everyone watching at the winners command, and, of course, for those with the most faith, The Blow Job were wagered on a regular basis.

Now there was a lot of development in this area. But, at least for the BJs, it finally came down to more of a "counting coup" system. No one wanted to pay off and no one wanted to owe one. At one point a brokerage system was discussed to trade off the BJs due and owed. It took on a life of it's own.

And yeah I managed to lose such a bet one day. How many shield wires around a leaky feeder coax cable. I thought he said "on each side" of the splice. I was set up. Being my Boss and Mentor and one of the smartest people I know on electrics, Ron turned honest and gave me an out saying he owed Ivan a BJ. Ivan the mad Russian. So if I could get Ivan to take one from me then Ron would be in the clear. So now I had to win one and I could give mine to Ivan and I'd be in the clear. See how it works? Once involved you find that somebody is always keeping track and a good bunch of the mine knows the score.

Well, previously, a Maintenance Boss, Lyn, had bet me a “BJ in the shower room with everybody watchin'” that he was right on whether 2 connections was power (his position) or they went to a relay that switched an external power source (my position.) I looked at my buddy Davy and all three agreed the bet was witnessed, understood, and could be settled in the next 10 minutes in a manner satisfactory to the parties involved, Lyn and me. Then Davy, being Davy, had to add a stipulation. "Ya' gotta' swallow!"

I won. Lyn was a wreck for the rest of the shift. And I had an owed BJ.

So I went to Ivan and explained the matter. Now at this time Lyn had advanced to Maintenance Superintendant of the whole damn mine. So Ivan agreed that, yes, Ron owed him a BJ. I told Ivan that I had lost a bet to Ron and now owed Ron a BJ. Ivan, seeing what was coming, said there was no way he would accept a BJ from me. Fortunately I had my ace-in-the-hole. After telling Ivan that Lyn owed me a below job the deal was completed. Ivan would definitely take one from Lyn. Glory be I'm free again. And with less faith for sure.

photojack
Here's a good one about "faith!" ((laugh.gif))

Ask Doctor Laura.

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I Have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

A.. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

B.. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

C.. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

D.. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

E.. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

F.. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

G.. Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

This kind of puts the whole Bible thing in perspective... and DOUBT! wacko.gif
dwk
One dimensional squares lol.
Masked Marauder
QUOTE
Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I Have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

A.. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

B.. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

C.. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

D.. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

E.. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

F.. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

G.. Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

This kind of puts the whole Bible thing in perspective... and DOUBT!  wacko.gif



Doubt? Doubt? How can you doubt that sincere logic?

According to a Baptist preacher in Anchorage, Alaska, it is OK to kill homosexuals as they are an "abomination" in the eye of god... (What happened to the rule "thou shalt not kill"?)

And cooking Bulls sounds like a yummy thing.. Oh wait, I have a BBQ this weekend! I can just change the menu a bit... Cooked Bull Balls... tongue.gif

and I can think of several parents who would love to sell their kids into slavery.

don't worry about the period thing, with todays drugs, not many women have them anymore...

Kill your neighbor with your bare hands and rocks. (a lot more fun!)

Kill the shellfish eating homosexual... (Dam*, what about that golden rule again? I am sooooo confused) blink.gif

as for vision.. just pluck your eye out and call it good. then you don't have to worry about either!

And I feel so much better knowing that a pagan roman emperor decided what I think is holy or not... That guy must be laughing his a** off right about now... Look at these monkeys and the things I have them doing! blink.gif

MM
minorwork

Go jump from a plane. Skydive. Only then will I believe you may have an adequate understanding of the word “faith”. Agreement on the use of the word “faith” is paramount to a serious comparison of its religious use. All readers should be in a hopefully general agreement that faith is a belief in things not seen. The point is how MUCH faith. How do you prove your faith? How much money would you bet on an event faith says will occur? Would you bet on future predictions?
The skydiver on his first jump bets his LIFE on faith! I remember my “prayer.” “I sure hope all this stuff works.” Well sure after a coupla’ observation rides and an intense 16 hours of training I had faith enough in the systems that I would risk it. At least one time. Sure was a confidence booster that the guys teaching me jumped every chance they got. They were experienced. I had seen them.
A lot different than being taught by a tape recorder preacher or a priest on TV oblivious to his own ignorance talking and believing himself, though he has no experiences. Heck this guy “Sonny” hung with the jumpers at the bars. Never made a jump in his life. Wore the jumper T-shirts, talked the talk. When asked by a little gal if he was a skydiver, Sonny said, “ Honey. I’m the best.” He had as much fun as any of us at the place. You don’t have to know what you’re talkin’ about, just act like it. The eager ignorant, yearning to be led, will believe the message.
Bet your life and be free. Be a bird. Free for a while. Little physical effort required, jumping is as easy as, well, falling off a log. The work involved in the act is a purely psychological endeavor.
Knowing the first jump is to be made in a week, it is a rare jumper who does not dream of dying from impact a dozen times. Then you go and train 2 days and the winds are too high to throw out first jump students. Another week of waking up to the roar of the 125 mph wind of free fall in your ears, the whole of your body tingling as the entering Soul jars the body once more after another inevitable impact. Why am I doing this?
And this anticipation is natural to the intelligent. The cabbage heads are those that ask really stupid questions. “If my chute don’t open you’ll fly down and save me, right?” Of course a good jump master hears a lot of strange questions. Once while practicing cutting away a faulty main chute and getting the reserve out, an observant student asked “What do you do if the reserve don’t open?” “Well,” said Don, “ we’ve got a procedure for that, but ya’ gotta’ be quick. Take off your helmet and put your feet in it. Now go ahead and practice that.” After a few rather feeble attempts to accomplish an obviously difficult procedure, the student asked what good this would do. Don didn’t miss a beat. “Won’t do you no good, but it makes you easier to pick up.” Yep. Real confidence builders.
Finally a jump master sticks his head in the hangar and says he has some bad news for the first jump students. Every one thinks the plane is broke again and dread yet another week of terror dreams. “Yep,” he says,“The winds are dying. Ya’ gotta’ jump!” Skydivers are possessed of the most morbid sense of humor.
So, before the pilot gets in, you hook up your static line to a seat belt bracket and practice your arch, count, and pretend rip cord pull. Course’ it’s mighty hard to concentrate when a local Air Guard jet breaks the sound barrier right near the drop zone. Then another hot dog pilot does it. Pretty quick the whole bunch of them flying cowboys are trying to break windows with their bu-bu-bu-BOOMS. So ya’ step out from under the wing to see these guys. Course, it don’t take long to realize the booms is your heart. Man I am scared shitless. What possessed me to try this? Oh man. Oh man. Oh good. Finally my heart’s settled down. Don’t think I coulda’ heard the jump master say go what with all that noise.
On take off roll I clearly remember Dago telling me he knew what I was thinking. “You’re thinking to yourself. ‘Me and my big mouth. ’” Now here’s a guy that knows. Kinda’ like doubtin’ Thomas of the Bible. Born skeptic if I’ve ever seen one. If you’re gonna’ believe anybody it’d be him.
Faith? Yeah, sure. But not blind.

excaza
QUOTE (minorwork+Jun 6 2008, 12:13 PM)
The skydiver on his first jump bets his LIFE on faith! I remember my “prayer.” “I sure hope all this stuff works.”

huh.gif Last I checked he bets his life on the rigger.
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